Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex
Thanks everyone for your feedback here - it's been a week, so I'm assuming no one new is going to chime in. For now we can just do nothing which is always a nice resolution! :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Dubroy Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 11:32 AM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex I also think it would be confusing to have both the mailing list and the forum, considering the traffic is pretty low on the mailing list. Pat On Dec 10, 2007 10:40 PM, Dino Viehland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just thought I'd collect some opinions here. Internally we discussed this sometime ago but never made any decisions and haven't done much to push this forward... On CodePlex we have the ability to enable a discussion forum (which would look like http://www.codeplex.com/CodePlex/Thread/List.aspx) where people could post questions, discuss issues, etc... CodePlex is heavily RSS-enabled so you could also get RSS feeds to track the discussions in RSS form. There've been some requests on the main page (http://www.codeplex.com/IronPython) and at least one person who didn't like the mailing list. But obviously we don't want to get rid of the mailing list format - personally it's the format I prefer (and find the least overhead for replying). But I've started to use RSS a lot recently so I can certainly see the appeal there, and maybe others here do as well... Overall my own personal worry is that we'll be fragmenting the two discussions and actually hinder some discussion. So, thoughts? Should we: Very easy: just open the flood gates on the discussions and everyone can go where they want - let the search engines sort it out! vs Requires some work: open up the RSS feed but setup some thread-propagation-bot? open up the RSS feed but send out regular digests? vs the unknown: something completely different? ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex
Yep, I agree... I'm actually subscribed to the CodePlex RSS feed so I can respond to those issues and redirect them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Hagenlocher Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:17 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex On 12/17/07, Dino Viehland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for your feedback here - it's been a week, so I'm assuming no one new is going to chime in. Just to break your assumption... :) I think it's best to stick with the mailing list. And anyone who posts answers on Codeplex should also direct the questioner to the mailing list for future questions. -- Curt Hagenlocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex
Use IronPython to implement two-way copying of messages between the forums and the mailing list :) You would, of course, have to tackle email message identity. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Curt Hagenlocher Sent: Mon 12/17/2007 3:17 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex On 12/17/07, Dino Viehland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for your feedback here - it's been a week, so I'm assuming no one new is going to chime in. Just to break your assumption... :) I think it's best to stick with the mailing list. And anyone who posts answers on Codeplex should also direct the questioner to the mailing list for future questions. -- Curt Hagenlocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex
I prefer mailing lists, personally. I have unified searching in my email app rather than slow, non-unified searching in Yet-another-forums-implementation. I also have a tendency to read email more often than forums (hence my increasing absence on the LINQ forums). From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dino Viehland Sent: Mon 12/17/2007 4:18 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex I actually thought that's the direction most people would have liked, but I was happy to be wrong :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith J. Farmer Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:03 PM To: Discussion of IronPython; Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex Use IronPython to implement two-way copying of messages between the forums and the mailing list :) You would, of course, have to tackle email message identity. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Curt Hagenlocher Sent: Mon 12/17/2007 3:17 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex On 12/17/07, Dino Viehland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for your feedback here - it's been a week, so I'm assuming no one new is going to chime in. Just to break your assumption... :) I think it's best to stick with the mailing list. And anyone who posts answers on Codeplex should also direct the questioner to the mailing list for future questions. -- Curt Hagenlocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex
Personally I don't think the IP-list has enough volume to justify a split and that would be detrimental. If people don't want to subscribe to a list for fear of spam it's fair enough but the list has been working just fine until now and I personally would not pay attention to a forum per se myself. Anyway, just my 2 cents. - Sylvain Dino Viehland wrote: Just thought I'd collect some opinions here. Internally we discussed this sometime ago but never made any decisions and haven't done much to push this forward... On CodePlex we have the ability to enable a discussion forum (which would look like http://www.codeplex.com/CodePlex/Thread/List.aspx) where people could post questions, discuss issues, etc... CodePlex is heavily RSS-enabled so you could also get RSS feeds to track the discussions in RSS form. There've been some requests on the main page (http://www.codeplex.com/IronPython) and at least one person who didn't like the mailing list. But obviously we don't want to get rid of the mailing list format - personally it's the format I prefer (and find the least overhead for replying). But I've started to use RSS a lot recently so I can certainly see the appeal there, and maybe others here do as well... Overall my own personal worry is that we'll be fragmenting the two discussions and actually hinder some discussion. So, thoughts? Should we: Very easy: just open the flood gates on the discussions and everyone can go where they want - let the search engines sort it out! vs Requires some work: open up the RSS feed but setup some thread-propagation-bot? open up the RSS feed but send out regular digests? vs the unknown: something completely different? ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex
Sylvain Hellegouarch wrote: Personally I don't think the IP-list has enough volume to justify a split and that would be detrimental. If people don't want to subscribe to a list for fear of spam it's fair enough but the list has been working just fine until now and I personally would not pay attention to a forum per se myself. I agree. I abhor forums and prefer mailing lists. Michael Foord http://www.manning.com/foord Anyway, just my 2 cents. - Sylvain Dino Viehland wrote: Just thought I'd collect some opinions here. Internally we discussed this sometime ago but never made any decisions and haven't done much to push this forward... On CodePlex we have the ability to enable a discussion forum (which would look like http://www.codeplex.com/CodePlex/Thread/List.aspx) where people could post questions, discuss issues, etc... CodePlex is heavily RSS-enabled so you could also get RSS feeds to track the discussions in RSS form. There've been some requests on the main page (http://www.codeplex.com/IronPython) and at least one person who didn't like the mailing list. But obviously we don't want to get rid of the mailing list format - personally it's the format I prefer (and find the least overhead for replying). But I've started to use RSS a lot recently so I can certainly see the appeal there, and maybe others here do as well... Overall my own personal worry is that we'll be fragmenting the two discussions and actually hinder some discussion. So, thoughts? Should we: Very easy: just open the flood gates on the discussions and everyone can go where they want - let the search engines sort it out! vs Requires some work: open up the RSS feed but setup some thread-propagation-bot? open up the RSS feed but send out regular digests? vs the unknown: something completely different? ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex
Personally I don't think the IP-list has enough volume to justify a split and that would be detrimental. If people don't want to subscribe to a list for fear of spam it's fair enough but the list has been working just fine until now and I personally would not pay attention to a forum per se myself. I agree. I abhor forums and prefer mailing lists. Me either. BTW, are there any way to enable gmane for this list again? I've only found this: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.ironpython.user which seems outdated. I guess that a gateway to gmane would bring readers enough options to choose from. -H. ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex
Hernan M Foffani wrote: Personally I don't think the IP-list has enough volume to justify a split and that would be detrimental. If people don't want to subscribe to a list for fear of spam it's fair enough but the list has been working just fine until now and I personally would not pay attention to a forum per se myself. I agree. I abhor forums and prefer mailing lists. Me either. BTW, are there any way to enable gmane for this list again? I've only found this: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.ironpython.user which seems outdated. I guess that a gateway to gmane would bring readers enough options to choose from. There is already a google groups gateway - but it doesn't allow posting unless your google login email address is registered as an IronPython list member: http://groups.google.com/group/ironpy Michael http://www.manning.com/foord -H. ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
Re: [IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex
On 12/10/07, Dino Viehland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just thought I'd collect some opinions here. Internally we discussed this sometime ago but never made any decisions and haven't done much to push this forward... On CodePlex we have the ability to enable a discussion forum (which would look like http://www.codeplex.com/CodePlex/Thread/List.aspx) where people could post questions, discuss issues, etc... CodePlex is heavily RSS-enabled so you could also get RSS feeds to track the discussions in RSS form. There've been some requests on the main page (http://www.codeplex.com/IronPython) and at least one person who didn't like the mailing list. But obviously we don't want to get rid of the mailing list format - personally it's the format I prefer (and find the least overhead for replying). But I've started to use RSS a lot recently so I can certainly see the appeal there, and maybe others here do as well... Overall my own personal worry is that we'll be fragmenting the two discussions and actually hinder some discussion. So, thoughts? Should we: Very easy: just open the flood gates on the discussions and everyone can go where they want - let the search engines sort it out! vs Requires some work: open up the RSS feed but setup some thread-propagation-bot? open up the RSS feed but send out regular digests? vs the unknown: something completely different? I think an email and forum combination sounds like the most obvious solution. For example, some online groups you can just reply to an email and it gets sent to the distribution list and also posts to the message board. Isn't the Microsoft Robotics Studio forum already using a solution like this? I forget it has been a few months since being on that forum but I like the user interface on that forum and the threading. -- Later, Joe ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
[IronPython] Mailing list vs. Web discussions on CodePlex
Just thought I'd collect some opinions here. Internally we discussed this sometime ago but never made any decisions and haven't done much to push this forward... On CodePlex we have the ability to enable a discussion forum (which would look like http://www.codeplex.com/CodePlex/Thread/List.aspx) where people could post questions, discuss issues, etc... CodePlex is heavily RSS-enabled so you could also get RSS feeds to track the discussions in RSS form. There've been some requests on the main page (http://www.codeplex.com/IronPython) and at least one person who didn't like the mailing list. But obviously we don't want to get rid of the mailing list format - personally it's the format I prefer (and find the least overhead for replying). But I've started to use RSS a lot recently so I can certainly see the appeal there, and maybe others here do as well... Overall my own personal worry is that we'll be fragmenting the two discussions and actually hinder some discussion. So, thoughts? Should we: Very easy: just open the flood gates on the discussions and everyone can go where they want - let the search engines sort it out! vs Requires some work: open up the RSS feed but setup some thread-propagation-bot? open up the RSS feed but send out regular digests? vs the unknown: something completely different? ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com
