[Pw_forum] electron-phonon coupling
Dear all I would like to know whether the out put file which is produced after electron-phonon coupling calculation with following format elph.1.1.xml is electron-phonon matrix element or not. Thanks in advance, P.Ayria Tohoku University Japan ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
Re: [Pw_forum] Negative density of states
when using the smearing technique to compute the density of state you are broadening each energy level with an approximate delta function. This can be a gaussian, the derivative of the fermi-dirac function or a gaussian multiplied by a polynomial. In the first two cases the approximate delta function is positive definite, but for both methfessel-paxton and marzari-vanderbilt scheme the approximate delta function is not positive definite. (MV smearing is built to produce non-negative occupation numbers but it still can have negative contribution for its derivative). This is the price to pay to have schemes for which the dependence of the total energy on the smearing width is quartic or cubic rather than quadratic as it would be otherwise. In regions where the dos or ldos is non zero and if you're sampling the k-space sufficiently accurately this should not lead to negative values, but close to the band-edges it may happen. If you want to have positive definite dos/ldos use gaussian or FD smearings. stefano On 11/08/2015 00:47, Henry J Seeley wrote: > Dear users, > > I have been using PWscf/Quantum Espresso for a couple months now, so > although I'm familiar with the input/output formats and the parameters > for calculations, I'm pretty oblivious to the inner workings of the > program. > I'm attempting to calculate the (local) density of states for lead > sulfide slabs but I occasionally get negative density of states, which > doesn't make any sense. I've used both dos.x and pp.x (ILDOS) and have > gotten this result multiple times, sometimes only one and not the other > for identical systems. > Below is an input file, as well as a snippet of output data from pp.x > (ILDOS). > > > pp.x (ILDOS) output: > > PositionILDOS > ... > 2.93857977030.000145 > 2.96710967100.000685 > 2.99563957170.96 > 3.02416947240.000231 > 3.0526993731 -0.000262*negative? > 3.08122927380.000213 > 3.1097591744 -0.000191*negative? > 3.13828907510.000124 > 3.16681897580.000510 > 3.19534887650.000245 > 3.22387877720.000443 > ... > > > > scf input: > > > title = 'PbS.111thinPbline' , >calculation = 'scf' , > outdir = > '/ibrix/users/home6/hseeley/HS2/8-4-2015/outdir/' , > pseudo_dir = > '/ibrix/users/home6/hseeley/espresso-5.1.2/pseudo/' , > prefix = 'PbS.111thinPbline' , >/ > > ibrav = 0, > celldm(1) = 11.19416, >nat = 12, > ntyp = 2, >ecutwfc = 40 , >occupations = 'smearing' , >degauss = 0.02 , > smearing = 'marzari-vanderbilt' , > noncolin = .true. , > lspinorb = .true. , >/ > >startingwfc = 'atomic+random' , >/ > >/ > > CELL_PARAMETERS alat > -1.236988124 0.688397354 0.0 > -0.608947267 -0.365438176 0.0 > -1.198800945 -2.150150059 3.464101615 > ATOMIC_SPECIES > Pb 207.2 Pb.rel-pbe-dn-kjpaw_psl.0.2.2.UPF > S 32.06500 S.rel-pbe-n-kjpaw_psl.0.1.UPF > ATOMIC_POSITIONS alat > S1.195986189 2.158436994 6.057718495 > S1.196613046 2.847559652 6.035203796 > S1.607948658 2.157228920 6.639507369 > S0.380505268 2.135992982 6.639522336 > S0.802031048 1.425119068 7.221352165 > S0.782293690 2.155298247 7.243857427 > Pb 1.004595715 2.477269862 5.817407381 > Pb 1.411636575 1.793701926 6.351977935 > Pb 1.404724785 2.500453276 6.338245575 > Pb 1.811166168 1.814015383 6.940832089 > Pb 0.586360087 1.789892412 6.927085220 > Pb 0.993402384 1.106318783 7.461627358 > > > K_POINTS automatic > 10 10 5 0 0 0 > > > > Any help would be much appreciated, thank you, > Hank Seeley > PhD Chemistry student > University of Oregon > hsee...@uoregon.edu > ___ > Pw_forum mailing list > Pw_forum@pwscf.org > http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
[Pw_forum] Negative density of states
Dear users, I have been using PWscf/Quantum Espresso for a couple months now, so although I'm familiar with the input/output formats and the parameters for calculations, I'm pretty oblivious to the inner workings of the program. I'm attempting to calculate the (local) density of states for lead sulfide slabs but I occasionally get negative density of states, which doesn't make any sense. I've used both dos.x and pp.x (ILDOS) and have gotten this result multiple times, sometimes only one and not the other for identical systems. Below is an input file, as well as a snippet of output data from pp.x (ILDOS). pp.x (ILDOS) output: PositionILDOS ... 2.93857977030.000145 2.96710967100.000685 2.99563957170.96 3.02416947240.000231 3.0526993731 -0.000262*negative? 3.08122927380.000213 3.1097591744 -0.000191*negative? 3.13828907510.000124 3.16681897580.000510 3.19534887650.000245 3.22387877720.000443 ... scf input: title = 'PbS.111thinPbline' , calculation = 'scf' , outdir = '/ibrix/users/home6/hseeley/HS2/8-4-2015/outdir/' , pseudo_dir = '/ibrix/users/home6/hseeley/espresso-5.1.2/pseudo/' , prefix = 'PbS.111thinPbline' , / ibrav = 0, celldm(1) = 11.19416, nat = 12, ntyp = 2, ecutwfc = 40 , occupations = 'smearing' , degauss = 0.02 , smearing = 'marzari-vanderbilt' , noncolin = .true. , lspinorb = .true. , / startingwfc = 'atomic+random' , / / CELL_PARAMETERS alat -1.236988124 0.688397354 0.0 -0.608947267 -0.365438176 0.0 -1.198800945 -2.150150059 3.464101615 ATOMIC_SPECIES Pb 207.2 Pb.rel-pbe-dn-kjpaw_psl.0.2.2.UPF S 32.06500 S.rel-pbe-n-kjpaw_psl.0.1.UPF ATOMIC_POSITIONS alat S1.195986189 2.158436994 6.057718495 S1.196613046 2.847559652 6.035203796 S1.607948658 2.157228920 6.639507369 S0.380505268 2.135992982 6.639522336 S0.802031048 1.425119068 7.221352165 S0.782293690 2.155298247 7.243857427 Pb 1.004595715 2.477269862 5.817407381 Pb 1.411636575 1.793701926 6.351977935 Pb 1.404724785 2.500453276 6.338245575 Pb 1.811166168 1.814015383 6.940832089 Pb 0.586360087 1.789892412 6.927085220 Pb 0.993402384 1.106318783 7.461627358 K_POINTS automatic 10 10 5 0 0 0 Any help would be much appreciated, thank you, Hank Seeley PhD Chemistry student University of Oregon hsee...@uoregon.edu ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
Re: [Pw_forum] Input_keyword_Explanation[Basic]
Dear Abir Shadman Please read input file description => http://www.quantum-espresso.org/wp-content/uploads/Doc/INPUT_PW.html Best Regards 2015-08-10 19:55 GMT+03:00 Abir Shadman: > Dear all, > > I am a new user. I have gathered enough information from this forum to > write some codes. However i don't understand some keywords quite well. > Since i am from electrical background, i need to calculate band structure > properly because my goal is to find effective mass accurately which i will > use for transport calculation. Here is a bfgs relaxation code for bilayer > WS2 for my query purpose: > > > calculation = 'relax', > restart_mode = 'from_scratch', >outdir = 'G:\all_kk_QE\Quantum_Espresso\Quantum ESPRESSO 64-bit > 5.1.2-mpich2\outdir', >prefix = 'WS2Bilayer', > / > > > ibrav = 0, > > a = 1.8, > > nat = 6, > > ntyp = 2, > > occupations = 'smearing', > > smearing = 'methfessel-paxton', > > degauss = 0.001, > nspin=2, > > ecutwfc = 20, > > ecutrho = 160, > > nbnd = 30, >starting_magnetization=0.6, > > > / > > > > conv_thr = 1.0d-5, > > mixing_mode = 'plain', > > mixing_beta = 0.7, > > diagonalization = 'david', > diago_full_acc = .true. > > / > > > ion_dynamics = 'bfgs', > pot_extrapolation = 'second_order', > wfc_extrapolation = 'second_order', > upscale = 100, > / > > CELL_PARAMETERS > 1.5 0.8660254038 0.0 > 1.5 -0.8660254038 0.0 > 0. 0.0 15.0 > > ATOMIC_SPECIES > W 183.84 W.pbe-hgh.UPF > S 32.066 S.pbe-hgh.UPF > > ATOMIC_POSITIONS (angstrom) > S 0.0 0.0 5.15 > S 0.0 0.0 2 > W 1.818653348 0.0 3.575 > S 0.0 0.0 12.95 > S 0.0 0.0 9.8 > W 1.818653348 0.0 11.375 > > K_POINTS {automatic} > 24 24 1 0 0 0 > > It's a well known system. It is put here because i want to know the > meaning of such inputs : occupations, smearing, degauss, mixing_mode, > mixing_beta, diagonalization etc. in nutshell but yet > comprehensive enough so that i can properly use the values of these inputs > for a unknown system. > > Best Regards > > Abir Shadman > Dept. of EEE,BUET. > > > ___ > Pw_forum mailing list > Pw_forum@pwscf.org > http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum > ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
[Pw_forum] Input_keyword_Explanation[Basic]
Dear all, I am a new user. I have gathered enough information from this forum to write some codes. However i don't understand some keywords quite well. Since i am from electrical background, i need to calculate band structure properly because my goal is to find effective mass accurately which i will use for transport calculation. Here is a bfgs relaxation code for bilayer WS2 for my query purpose: calculation = 'relax', restart_mode = 'from_scratch', outdir = 'G:\all_kk_QE\Quantum_Espresso\Quantum ESPRESSO 64-bit 5.1.2-mpich2\outdir', prefix = 'WS2Bilayer', / ibrav = 0, a = 1.8, nat = 6, ntyp = 2, occupations = 'smearing', smearing = 'methfessel-paxton', degauss = 0.001, nspin=2, ecutwfc = 20, ecutrho = 160, nbnd = 30, starting_magnetization=0.6, / conv_thr = 1.0d-5, mixing_mode = 'plain', mixing_beta = 0.7, diagonalization = 'david', diago_full_acc = .true. / ion_dynamics = 'bfgs', pot_extrapolation = 'second_order', wfc_extrapolation = 'second_order', upscale = 100, / CELL_PARAMETERS 1.5 0.8660254038 0.0 1.5 -0.8660254038 0.0 0. 0.0 15.0 ATOMIC_SPECIES W 183.84 W.pbe-hgh.UPF S 32.066 S.pbe-hgh.UPF ATOMIC_POSITIONS (angstrom) S 0.0 0.0 5.15 S 0.0 0.0 2 W 1.818653348 0.0 3.575 S 0.0 0.0 12.95 S 0.0 0.0 9.8 W 1.818653348 0.0 11.375 K_POINTS {automatic} 24 24 1 0 0 0 It's a well known system. It is put here because i want to know the meaning of such inputs : occupations, smearing, degauss, mixing_mode, mixing_beta, diagonalization etc. in nutshell but yet comprehensive enough so that i can properly use the values of these inputs for a unknown system. Best Regards Abir Shadman Dept. of EEE,BUET. ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
[Pw_forum] Fwd: Msd
Dear family Does anybody know how QE computes mean square displacements? By means of the below formula? Kind regards Ashkan Shekaari -- Forwarded message -- From: "ashkan shekaari"Date: Aug 10, 2015 8:08 PM Subject: Msd To: "Andrea Dal Corso" Cc: Dear Andrea Do you know how mean square displacements are calculated in QE? Does QE use the below formula? Thanks in advance. Kind regards Ashkan Shekaari ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
Re: [Pw_forum] Fwd: Final iteration often crashes after structure optimization
Lowering ecutrho makes things worse not better. But I understand the problem better. It is a problem with load balancing. This problem only arises when R & G space division>1 . With R & G space division=1 it never crashes in this way. However, the performance with R & G space division=4 is astounding compared with R & G space division=1. I have 16 k-points, yet with npool=16 it takes 74 seconds for the first k-point, and with nppol=4 on 16 processors (R & G space division=4) it takes 16 seconds--a speedup of 4.6 with the same number of processors! Yet 20% of the time or so R & G space division>1 fails, presumably because of a load balancing problem. The solution is to rebalance the R & G space divisions. Is there a developer out there familiar with this? Sincerely, Ron --- Ronald Cohen Geophysical Laboratory Carnegie Institution 5251 Broad Branch Rd., N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015 rco...@carnegiescience.edu office: 202-478-8937 skype: ronaldcohen https://twitter.com/recohen3 https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=163327727 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Youssefwrote: > Dear Ronald, > > Strange behavior, it happens here (ggen.f90) : > > IF (ngm > ngm_g) CALL errore ('ggen', 'too many g-vectors', ngm) > > I am not QE developer, but firstly I suggest to lower ecutrho to 280 Ry > and see!!! > > Youssef Aharbil, > Laboratory of Physics and Chemistry of Materials > Faculty of sciences Ben msik, Casablanca > Morocco > > > ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
[Pw_forum] Langevin dynamics
Dear Sir/ Madam, I am using quantum espresso (version:5.1.2) for doing Langevin dynamics on Ethene molecules were kept top and bottom of silver oxide surface (total atoms: 37) running on Red Hat machine with serial and parallel process. In the output file, the coordinates of some of the atoms getting starred(***). In order to understand more about results, I tried with simple systems containing 2 Si atoms, the results shows that Langevin dynamics is working fine but the distance between two Si atoms goes on increasing (at the end of 100 md steps, the distance is 560 Angstroms). Moreover, herein Langevin dynamics is over-damped and the parameter of gamma (friction coefficient) is not mentioned anywhere in the input file description of pw.x related manual. Hence, I request you kindly suggest me how to perform Langevin calculations on my original system. Input file and starred(**) coordinates of my original system (output file) were attached. calculation='md', prefix='ag_eth', dt=20.D0, nstep=50, etot_conv_thr=1.0D-6, forc_conv_thr=1.0D-5, pseudo_dir = '/home/venkat/ORR1/PPS1' / ibrav=0, nat=37, ntyp=4, ecutwfc = 30.0, nosym=.true., occupations='smearing', smearing='m-p', degauss=0.03, tot_charge=1.0 / electron_maxstep=2000, diagonalization='david', mixing_beta = 0.3, conv_thr = 1.0D-6, scf_must_converge=.false. / pot_extrapolation = 'second_order', wfc_extrapolation = 'second_order', ion_dynamics='langevin', tempw=300.D0, nraise=1 / ATOMIC_SPECIES C 12.0107 C.pbe-rrkjus.UPF H 1.00794 H.pbe-rrkjus.UPF O 15.9994 O.pbe-rrkjus.UPF Ag 107.8682 Ag.pbe-d-rrkjus.UPF CELL_PARAMETERS {angstrom} 7.898000 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.898000 0.00 0.00 0.00 9.747900 ATOMIC_POSITIONS {angstrom} C 3.674759 2.942993-3.493103 H 4.121990 3.816735-4.007690 H 4.121990 2.069251-4.007690 C 2.211227 2.942993-3.493103 H 1.763996 3.816735-4.007690 H 1.763996 2.069251-4.007690 O 0.00 0.00-2.719012 Ag 4.448147 4.449893-1.919012 Ag 4.448147 1.436093-1.919012 Ag 1.437838 4.449893-1.919012 Ag 1.437838 1.436093-1.919012 Ag 2.942993 2.942993 0.00 Ag 2.942993 0.00 0.00 Ag 0.00 2.942993 0.00 Ag 0.00 0.00 0.00 Ag 1.437838 1.436093 1.919012 Ag 1.437838 4.449893 1.919012 Ag 4.448147 1.436093 1.919012 Ag 4.448147 4.449893 1.919012 O 0.00 0.00 2.719012 C 3.674759 2.942993 3.493103 H 4.121990 3.816735 4.007690 H 4.121990 2.069251 4.007690 C 2.211227 2.942993 3.493103 H 1.763996 3.816735 4.007690 H 1.763996 2.069251 4.007690 O 0.00 5.885983-2.719012 Ag 2.942993 5.885983 0.00 Ag 0.00 5.885983 0.00 O 0.00 5.885983 2.719012 O 5.885983 0.00-2.719012 Ag 5.885983 2.942993 0.00 Ag 5.885983 0.00 0.00 O 5.885983 0.00 2.719012 O 5.885983 5.885983-2.719012 Ag 5.885983 5.885983 0.00 O 5.885983 5.885983 2.719012 K_POINTS {gamma} A BIT of OUTPUT FILE ATOMIC_POSITIONS (angstrom) C 23.936881089 5.854758432 2.384283563 H5.319738992 3.101932011 -2.806230409 H5.032723666 3.366896985 -3.263624443 C -19.193958442 -0.839672619 -8.633281572 H2.840673809 3.320817821 -3.598829264 H2.259010092 3.506469010 -4.024573435 O3.200827481 3.891444136 -5.674056522 Ag -2.799093034 8.698187934 0.392246441 Ag 6.216802688 0.615454519 -1.827886947 Ag -1.094861601 5.714331653 -3.826763750 Ag -0.821908140 -7.523290040 -8.937996255 Ag 7.394141127 8.391763262 7.199208896 Ag 66.2293865871065.326804153 192.584344197 Ag4515.057117298 369.600932228 188.645687521 Ag 395.079974228 976.00510 23.641381229 Ag -0.868373165 1.254442767 -0.725095564 Ag 0.598543920 4.290748028 1.130598433 Ag 3.451303546 0.003835176 -2.147641351 Ag 4.967046204 4.664900169 1.274377193 O4.154896086 3.538399188 4.404896973 C 399.041692489-175.281493613-563.071390643 H3.281002088 3.892508380 4.191590229 H5.590682748 1.083007852 4.528641700 C
[Pw_forum] Fwd: Final iteration often crashes after structure optimization
Dear Ronald, Strange behavior, it happens here (ggen.f90) : IF (ngm > ngm_g) CALL errore ('ggen', 'too many g-vectors', ngm) I am not QE developer, but firstly I suggest to lower ecutrho to 280 Ry and see!!! Youssef Aharbil, Laboratory of Physics and Chemistry of Materials Faculty of sciences Ben msik, Casablanca Morocco ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
Re: [Pw_forum] Band structure calculation using Quantum ESPRESSO
On Aug 9, 2015 11:57 PM, "sapna bondwal"wrote: > > Dear all, > > I want to know the steps involved in the band structure calculation of small molecule, say SiH4 using QE. What are are the concerned executables? In which order they must be used to get a clear picture of the electronic structure and band gap.Please give some small example exercise to practice the step by step use of executables correctly. How should that be possible, when small molecules have no bands? Axel > > Thank you in advance. > > -- > > Sapna Bondwal > Research Scholar > IIT ROORKEE > > > ___ > Pw_forum mailing list > Pw_forum@pwscf.org > http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
[Pw_forum] electron-phonon matrix element
Dear all I would like to know whether the out put file with following format elph.1.1.xml is electron-phonon matrix element or not. Thanks in advance, P.Ayria Tohoku University Japan ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
Re: [Pw_forum] Calculation of Physical quantity using pw.x executable.
Dear Sapna, Easy answer: have a look at the numerous examples given in the QE distribution. Run the examples, learn the logic of the keywords. Best regards Pascal Le 10 août 2015 à 07:49, sapna bondwala écrit : > > Dear all, > > I want someone to give me the gist of all properties that can be calculated > and all physical quantities that can be obtained by using pw.x executable. > I am interested in nanosystems. I have seen supercell approach written in > every paper but I want to make it clear what it actually is? How do we use > it for doing structural optimization of nanosystem? I expect some simple > examples which can clarify the basic approach. > -- > > Sapna Bondwal > Research Scholar > IIT ROORKEE > > ___ > Pw_forum mailing list > Pw_forum@pwscf.org > http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum -- Pascal Boulet - MCF HDR, Resp. L1 MPCI - DEPARTEMENT CHIMIE Aix-Marseille Université - ST JEROME - Avenue Escadrille Normandie Niemen - 13013 Marseille Tél: +33(0)4 13 55 18 10 - Fax : +33(0)4 13 55 18 50 Site : http://allos.up.univ-mrs.fr/pascal - Email : pascal.bou...@univ-amu.fr Afin de respecter l'environnement, merci de n'imprimer cet email que si nécessaire. ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
[Pw_forum] A problem of parallel excuting pwcond.x
Dear all I want to follow the example of the following page titled with " Monatomic Ni wire with a spin reversal" http://iramis.cea.fr/Pisp/alexander.smogunov/PWCOND/examples.html However, I found I could run the example correctly by using only 8 cores. If using 16, 32 and 64 cores, the code will stop at " ngper, shell number = 804 82 ngper, n2d = 804 391 --- E-Ef =2.000 k =0.500 0.500 --- ie = 1 ik = 1" and showed "forrtl: severe (174): SIGSEGV, segmentation fault occurred Image PCRoutineLineSource pwcond.x 025AD7C9 Unknown Unknown Unknown pwcond.x 025AC140 Unknown Unknown Unknown pwcond.x 0255DBC2 Unknown Unknown Unknown pwcond.x 024F15F3 Unknown Unknown Unknown pwcond.x 024F753B Unknown Unknown Unknown libpthread.so.0003F2280F710 Unknown Unknown Unknown pwcond.x 004F9B35 scatter_forw_ 444 scatter_forw. f90 pwcond.x 004ADD66 do_cond_ 518 do_cond.f90 pwcond.x 004A8B42 MAIN__ 22 condmain.f90 pwcond.x 00498036 Unknown Unknown Unknown libc.so.6 003F2241ED1D Unknown Unknown Unknown pwcond.x 00497F29 Unknown Unknown Unknown" So could anyone tell me how can I fix this error so that I can using more cores to excute pwcond.x? I met this problem in both 5.1.2 and 5.2. Thanks very much for any help. Sincerely. Pang Rui -- 庞瑞(PANG Rui) South University of Science and Technology of China/Department of Physics No.1088,Xueyuan Road, Shenzhen,Guangdong___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum
Re: [Pw_forum] Band structure calculation using Quantum ESPRESSO
Hi, Please go through the following links to know about band gap calculations in quantum espresso: http://hawk.fisica.uminho.pt/ricardo-ribeiro/QEnotes.html http://web.stanford.edu/group/evanreed/teaching/331/homeworks/Homework_6/tutorial_pwscf_ex.pdf https://github.com/NNemec/quantum-espresso/tree/master/examples/example05 Thanks & Regards, Mohan On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:27 AM, sapna bondwalwrote: > Dear all, > > I want to know the steps involved in the band structure calculation of > small molecule, say SiH4 using QE. What are are the concerned executables? > In which order they must be used to get a clear picture of the electronic > structure and band gap.Please give some small example exercise to practice > the step by step use of executables correctly. > > Thank you in advance. > > -- > > Sapna Bondwal > Research Scholar > IIT ROORKEE > > > ___ > Pw_forum mailing list > Pw_forum@pwscf.org > http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum > ___ Pw_forum mailing list Pw_forum@pwscf.org http://pwscf.org/mailman/listinfo/pw_forum