Re: [RCU] RC vs reply-to
Reply All should also honor Reply-To: IMHO. Example: Suppose that Secretary Suzy sends Jack an e-mail, with Reply-To: set to Boss Bob, and there is a Cc: to Amy. From: Secretary Suzy Reply To: Bob Boss To: Jack Cc: Amy Jack hits Reply All, and the mail should go To: Boss Bob in lieu of Secretary Suzy, yet preserve the Cc: Amy: From: Jack To: Bob Boss Cc: Amy I.e. Reply-To: just means in any form of replying, substitute this address for the sender. I believe this interpretation is correct. Ben. ___ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [RCU] RC vs reply-to
On 2014-01-18 7:23 PM, Kaz Kylheku k...@kylheku.com wrote: On 18.01.2014 05:51, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2014-01-17 9:26 PM, Kaz Kylheku k...@kylheku.com wrote: The Reply, Reply All both go to the list, empty CC. The Reply List function does the same thing. I'd expect the same behavior from anything else. Mutt, Pine, Elm, T-Bird, Squirrelmail, MS Outlook 2010, what have you. What crap. If all of these buttons 'should do the same thing', what pray tell is the point of having them? 'Reply' should honor the message's 'Reply-To' setting. 'Reply-All' should do just that - reply to ALL recipients. The RCU list is the only recipient, though. That's how this kind of list works. There indeed is something broken about the roundcube list, but it is not just because of Reply-To munging. Example... the dovecot email list also does Reply-To munging (if you just click 'Reply', the reply goes to the list) - BUT - if you click 'Reply-All', the reply goes to both the list AND the original sender. So, the roundcube list is doing something WRONG/different that breaks 'Reply-All' functionality. Reply All should also honor Reply-To: IMHO. Honoring the 'Reply-To' in your example would mean that the Reply woud ONLY go to Bob. But I do get your meaning, and I agree that 'Reply-All' should honor the 'Reply-To' as far as the original sender goes. 'Reply-To-List' should only reply to the list, and only when the proper list header(s) is(are) there. If there are no list headers, 'Reply-To-List' should do nothing. It could figure out the mailing list identity by scanning the headers of the thread. The message in question might not have list headers, but it could be a followup to something (directly or via a chain of of multiple ancestors) which does have list headers. Then the list address from that ancestor's headers could be searched for in the current message's list of recipients. If that address is there, then the message can be deemed to be a discussion item for that list, and Reply To List can apply. If the message came through the list, the list headers will be there. The only time you would get a message that did NOT have the list headers (assuming the list in question adds the headers), is if someone clicked 'Reply-All' and sent you a direct reply, and the list was configured to NOT deliver the message to you if you were also directly addressed. ___ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [RCU] RC vs reply-to
On Mon, 2014-01-20 at 10:00 +1000, Noel Butler wrote: On Sun, 2014-01-19 at 08:35 -0500, Charles Marcus wrote: The RCU list is the only recipient, though. That's how this kind of list works. There indeed is something broken about the roundcube list, but it is not just because of Reply-To munging. Example... the dovecot email list also does Reply-To munging (if you just click 'Reply', the reply goes to the list) - BUT - if you click 'Reply-All', the reply goes to both the list AND the original sender. So, the roundcube list is doing something WRONG/different that breaks 'Reply-All' functionality. Charles wont see this, but, I beg to differ,... reply all in evolution only sends to dovecot list unless something has recently changed (since 24/11/13) since I am not on the list now, but I have not deleted my archive of it and with random 3 out of 17K messages, all three only go to the list, and not the sender, performing identical to this list. Oh, and just to clarify, the 3 people I checked, Pascal, Steffan, and Charles, all use mailman reply-to-list setting, which is a manual activation and not standard for all users of that list, so using dovecot list is not a good example, since only select users (and I was one) enabled that feature. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [RCU] RC vs reply-to
The slightly out of date version I'm running (0.9.2) has no problem with this list. The Reply, Reply All both go to the list, empty CC. The Reply List function does the same thing. I write this mail with 8.2: Replay, Replay All and List all go to the list, one difference is that Replay uses Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net and the two others uses the plain mail address: users@lists.roundcube.net For me, this is wrong! what I would expect is that Replay All goes to both, the list and the sender in CC. I use normally Kmail and this works the most correct for me, it even provides Replay to Sender, additionally to the three others. Andreas ___ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [RCU] RC vs reply-to
On 2014-01-18 12:17, Andreas Dick wrote: I write this mail with 8.2: Replay, Replay All and List all go to the list, one difference is that Replay uses Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net and the two others uses the plain mail address: users@lists.roundcube.net okay, check CVE on this version For me, this is wrong! what I would expect is that Replay All goes to both, the list and the sender in CC. why do you like to send private AND to maillist at the same time ?, do you want to remove that recipient from the maillist ? point of maillist is all subscribers do get a copy, send a copy direct is spamming imho I use normally Kmail and this works the most correct for me, it even provides Replay to Sender, additionally to the three others. om 0.9.5 this works if just reply, but its not doing it here on this maillist since it goes anyway to this maillist, no matter what buttom is used http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users and this add to body breaks dkim / dmarc pass ___ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [RCU] RC vs reply-to
On 18.01.2014 05:51, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2014-01-17 9:26 PM, Kaz Kylheku k...@kylheku.com wrote: The Reply, Reply All both go to the list, empty CC. The Reply List function does the same thing. I'd expect the same behavior from anything else. Mutt, Pine, Elm, T-Bird, Squirrelmail, MS Outlook 2010, what have you. What crap. If all of these buttons 'should do the same thing', what pray tell is the point of having them? 'Reply' should honor the message's 'Reply-To' setting. 'Reply-All' should do just that - reply to ALL recipients. The RCU list is the only recipient, though. That's how this kind of list works. Reply All should also honor Reply-To: IMHO. Example: Suppose that Secretary Suzy sends Jack an e-mail, with Reply-To: set to Boss Bob, and there is a Cc: to Amy. From: Secretary Suzy Reply To: Bob Boss To: Jack Cc: Amy Jack hits Reply All, and the mail should go To: Boss Bob in lieu of Secretary Suzy, yet preserve the Cc: Amy: From: Jack To: Bob Boss Cc: Amy I.e. Reply-To: just means in any form of replying, substitute this address for the sender. 'Reply-To-List' should only reply to the list, and only when the proper list header(s) is(are) there. If there are no list headers, 'Reply-To-List' should do nothing. It could figure out the mailing list identity by scanning the headers of the thread. The message in question might not have list headers, but it could be a followup to something (directly or via a chain of of multiple ancestors) which does have list headers. Then the list address from that ancestor's headers could be searched for in the current message's list of recipients. If that address is there, then the message can be deemed to be a discussion item for that list, and Reply To List can apply. ___ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
[RCU] RC vs reply-to
i will just start a new thread now and ask if there is a problem with roundcube not working with maillists like this one ? please dont reply if you dont use roundcube, if this would be a very long thread maybe we can get it fixed ? ___ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [RCU] RC vs reply-to
On 17.01.2014 17:17, Benny Pedersen wrote: i will just start a new thread now and ask if there is a problem with roundcube not working with maillists like this one ? The slightly out of date version I'm running (0.9.2) has no problem with this list. The Reply, Reply All both go to the list, empty CC. The Reply List function does the same thing. I'd expect the same behavior from anything else. Mutt, Pine, Elm, T-Bird, Squirrelmail, MS Outlook 2010, what have you. ___ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [RCU] RC vs reply-to
On 2014-01-18 03:26, Kaz Kylheku wrote: On 17.01.2014 17:17, Benny Pedersen wrote: i will just start a new thread now and ask if there is a problem with roundcube not working with maillists like this one ? The slightly out of date version I'm running (0.9.2) has no problem with this list. there is a CVE on that version :( please google it The Reply, Reply All both go to the list, empty CC. The Reply List function does the same thing. i like to only see reply-all, reply to list go into the maillist, the reply should send private to the moderator feks :=) i think the part with reply-all is the confusion one for most people, it will not remove maillist members get a copy if writing to it I'd expect the same behavior from anything else. Mutt, Pine, Elm, T-Bird, Squirrelmail, MS Outlook 2010, what have you. as it is now, there is no reply to moderator working, good or bad i dont know ___ Roundcube Users mailing list users@lists.roundcube.net http://lists.roundcube.net/mailman/listinfo/users
