Re: AW: Maven book and user input
I found a reference to an as-yet-unpublished book that purports to include a section on Maven: "Professional Java Open Source Tools - Real world Ant, JUnit, CVS, Cactus, Bugzilla, Maven, JMeter and XDoclet" by Damon Payne, Wrox Press Originally to be published in April 2003, the last I heard it was delayed til October and may have switched publishers. Any one got details? jeff -- Jeffrey Bonevich Ann Arbor, Michigan bonevich at covad dot net jeff at bonevich dot com http://www.bonevich.com "Make me a fire and I'm warm for a night. Set me on fire and I'm warm for the rest of my life." - Ancient Didactical Saying - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: AW: Maven book and user input
For what it's worth, I think these are all legitimate, good reasons. Especially the point that experienced writers can communicate much better than most other people who don't write (like me.) I understand that it can be an enjoyable experience, and I look forward to seeing the book. The only thing I wanted to say is often I don't have books with me while I'm doing coding, especially at work. I do use the Internet all the time to lookup Javadoc, find examples, etc. For instance there are Struts books (even from O'Reilly) but because I don't have that book with me at all times I usually do searches to find out the info I need. If there were only books and no online documentation for Hibernate, XDoclet, Ant, and numerous other libraries, I would probably be frustrated and out hundreds of dollars in book fees. :) Books are great for communicating theories and ideas, best practices, strategies, etc. For instance I carry around Effective Java by Joshua Bloch every where I go. I find that book to be one of the best, if not the best, overall Java programming books for advanced Java developers. At one point I did buy Java in a Nutshell but I don't use it because all of the info can be found on the web. > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 04:46, Roland Berger wrote: > > It is only fair that contributors and commiters can get a > pay back for > > the great work they do in their free time. Is it by > writting a book or > > by providing some consulting work. > > Right, I see writing the book as pleasurable experience. It > will certainly be hard work but I think it will be enjoyable. > And it's certainly for the recognition that I write the book, > I can't speak for Bob. It's not going to be a money making > endeavour and we're not writing it to make money. I also have > enough work to keep me busy 'til the end of time (or longer) > so I doubt I'll be doing much other work as a result of the > book. To me I hope for the book to be a labour of love. > > > When I use open source software I usually buy the book when it is > > written by one of the contributors or commiters. And one of the > > reasons I buy them is to honor the work they have done. > 30U$ really is > > not much. > > And it just supports OSS in general which I personally think > is always good. Which is why I am happy O'Reilly is involved. > They are staunch supporters of OSS and realize what most of > us are like and are adept at working with my kind i.e. very > difficult to work with most likely :-) > > > > You should go over to Prentice Hall, they are very open to > > > publishing free e copies. > > > > If you go over to Manning Publications they usually offer an > > electronic version to a lower price bevor the hard copy is > available. > > Also they submit some of the core chapters for public review to > > www.theserverside.com like they do currently for "JSF in Action" > > > (http://www.theserverside.com/resources/JSFInA> ctionReview.jsp). Since > > it will take a long time to finish the book it would be > great to make > > some chapters available for the public to review bevor it > is finished. > > I'm hoping to at least get some chapters out for viewing but > I don't know what will be possible yet insofar as electronic > pre-releases. I would like to because it will only make the > book better and think it would actually help to sell more hard copies. > > With Thinking in Java I bought the hard copy not only because > it was an excellent primer but I respected the fact that the > author made the book available in electronic form for people > who might not have 40 bucks to spend on a book, or people who > would rather not chew up a tree and for that reason I bought the book. > > > Cheers > > Roland > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > jvz. > > Jason van Zyl > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://tambora.zenplex.org > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a > rational and technical order to justify his work and to be > justified in it. > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Maven book and user input
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 04:46, Roland Berger wrote: > It is only fair that contributors and commiters can get a pay back for the > great work they do in their free time. Is it by writting a book or by > providing some consulting work. Right, I see writing the book as pleasurable experience. It will certainly be hard work but I think it will be enjoyable. And it's certainly for the recognition that I write the book, I can't speak for Bob. It's not going to be a money making endeavour and we're not writing it to make money. I also have enough work to keep me busy 'til the end of time (or longer) so I doubt I'll be doing much other work as a result of the book. To me I hope for the book to be a labour of love. > When I use open source software I usually buy the book when it is written by > one of the contributors or commiters. And one of the reasons I buy them is > to honor the work they have done. 30U$ really is not much. And it just supports OSS in general which I personally think is always good. Which is why I am happy O'Reilly is involved. They are staunch supporters of OSS and realize what most of us are like and are adept at working with my kind i.e. very difficult to work with most likely :-) > > You should go over to Prentice Hall, they are very open to publishing > > free e copies. > > If you go over to Manning Publications they usually offer an electronic > version to a lower price bevor the hard copy is available. Also they submit > some of the core chapters for public review to www.theserverside.com like > they do currently for "JSF in Action" > (http://www.theserverside.com/resources/JSFInActionReview.jsp). Since it > will take a long time to finish the book it would be great to make some > chapters available for the public to review bevor it is finished. I'm hoping to at least get some chapters out for viewing but I don't know what will be possible yet insofar as electronic pre-releases. I would like to because it will only make the book better and think it would actually help to sell more hard copies. With Thinking in Java I bought the hard copy not only because it was an excellent primer but I respected the fact that the author made the book available in electronic form for people who might not have 40 bucks to spend on a book, or people who would rather not chew up a tree and for that reason I bought the book. > Cheers > Roland > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AW: Maven book and user input
It is only fair that contributors and commiters can get a pay back for the great work they do in their free time. Is it by writting a book or by providing some consulting work. When I use open source software I usually buy the book when it is written by one of the contributors or commiters. And one of the reasons I buy them is to honor the work they have done. 30U$ really is not much. > You should go over to Prentice Hall, they are very open to publishing > free e copies. If you go over to Manning Publications they usually offer an electronic version to a lower price bevor the hard copy is available. Also they submit some of the core chapters for public review to www.theserverside.com like they do currently for "JSF in Action" (http://www.theserverside.com/resources/JSFInActionReview.jsp). Since it will take a long time to finish the book it would be great to make some chapters available for the public to review bevor it is finished. Cheers Roland - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
