Re: [netbeans] offline installation
Actually, as I understand 'ti' GPL will never weaken the license to be circulated with permissive licenses, e.g. - Apache - MIT - BSD - ...etc. I don't think this is a big thing. GCC isn't donated to Apache (GPL that it is, etc.) and there's lots of other things including plugins with other licenses. only 2-cents, aplatypus On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 at 05:20, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > IntelliJ is not distributed by Apache. NetBeans is distributed by Apache. > Apache does not allow distribution of GPL code or binaries. The Java > compiler is GPL licensed. > > Gj > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 7:07 PM Peter Steele wrote: > >> Oracle already has "donated" it in a way because of the openjdk project. >> Nb-javac is just an extension of the javac distributed with added extras to >> make ide's able to parse the results of compiling better (that's my take). >> Intelij does a similar thing, presumably based on the openjdk code. >> >> The difference being intelij doesn't make you download something extra. >> So the question is valid, why is netbeans different to intelij in this >> respect and why does it have to be downloaded separately. I personally find >> it weird why oracle thinks it wants to keep the extended javac code a >> secret when the javac code is visible at the openjdk project. >> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2018, 17:43 Geertjan Wielenga >> > >>> No, that's the point. It will never be donated to Apache. It belongs to >>> Oracle. Oracle is never going to donate its Java compiler, or forks >>> thereof, to anybody. >>> >>> Gj >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 6:41 PM Alex O'Ree wrote: >>> Is nb-javac on the roadmap for being donated to apache? On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:54 AM Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Why can't we just bundle it all together and have it ready to go in >> the zip? >> > > Because, for example, in the case of Java support in Apache NetBeans, > the nb-javac compiler belongs to Oracle and is GPL licensed and hence > cannot be distributed by Apache. You need to install it yourself, i.e., > individually accept the licensing terms. > > Gj > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Alex O'Ree > wrote: > >> For what it's worth, I often have to install netbeans on computers >> that are not connected to the internet. In v8.2 and prior, I could >> download >> the EE version and have everything I need to get up and running (except >> for >> maven dependencies and any additional netbeans plugins). Maven >> dependencies >> can be synced using a local nexus server and some swivel chair action >> and i >> was able to find a way to clone the entire netbeans plugin repo for local >> installations. >> >> With the newer installs, we're pretty much forced o be online during >> the first "activation" of a specific feature. Why can't we just bundle it >> all together and have it ready to go in the zip? Alternatively, if there >> a >> single place there all of the online activation stuff downloads the >> necessary dependencies from then it's possible that i can just clone that >> website/repo. Is this how it works? If so, where is the repo? >> > -- aloha, \_w_/ ___ ยบ http://www.facebook.com/will.2016
Re: [netbeans] offline installation
> The difference being intelij doesn't make you download something extra. So > the question is valid, why is netbeans different to intelij in this respect > and why does it have to be downloaded separately. I personally find it weird > why oracle thinks it wants to keep the extended javac code a secret when the > javac code is visible at the openjdk project. nb-javac is not a secret, it was actually part of NetBeans 8.2. You can find the source code here http://hg.netbeans.org/main/nb-java-x/ CoolBeans (https://coolbeans.xyz ) does compile its own and redistributes nb-javac as Oracle does allow it. Just as it allows IntelliJ to distribute their things. It's only Apache that has a policy of not distributing GPL code. As you see Apache NetBeans went to some lengths to still provide a good experience for end users (by allowing run-time install of said plugin, and adding some reasonably-well working parallel code that kicks in when nb-javac is not present). --emi http://coolbeans.xyz/ - CoolBeans: An IDE for Java, JavaEE, PHP and more! On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 8:07 PM Peter Steele wrote: > > Oracle already has "donated" it in a way because of the openjdk project. > Nb-javac is just an extension of the javac distributed with added extras to > make ide's able to parse the results of compiling better (that's my take). > Intelij does a similar thing, presumably based on the openjdk code. > > The difference being intelij doesn't make you download something extra. So > the question is valid, why is netbeans different to intelij in this respect > and why does it have to be downloaded separately. I personally find it weird > why oracle thinks it wants to keep the extended javac code a secret when the > javac code is visible at the openjdk project. > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2018, 17:43 Geertjan Wielenga > > >> No, that's the point. It will never be donated to Apache. It belongs to >> Oracle. Oracle is never going to donate its Java compiler, or forks thereof, >> to anybody. >> >> Gj >> >> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 6:41 PM Alex O'Ree wrote: >>> >>> Is nb-javac on the roadmap for being donated to apache? >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:54 AM Geertjan Wielenga >>> wrote: > > Why can't we just bundle it all together and have it ready to go in the > zip? Because, for example, in the case of Java support in Apache NetBeans, the nb-javac compiler belongs to Oracle and is GPL licensed and hence cannot be distributed by Apache. You need to install it yourself, i.e., individually accept the licensing terms. Gj On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Alex O'Ree wrote: > > For what it's worth, I often have to install netbeans on computers that > are not connected to the internet. In v8.2 and prior, I could download > the EE version and have everything I need to get up and running (except > for maven dependencies and any additional netbeans plugins). Maven > dependencies can be synced using a local nexus server and some swivel > chair action and i was able to find a way to clone the entire netbeans > plugin repo for local installations. > > With the newer installs, we're pretty much forced o be online during the > first "activation" of a specific feature. Why can't we just bundle it all > together and have it ready to go in the zip? Alternatively, if there a > single place there all of the online activation stuff downloads the > necessary dependencies from then it's possible that i can just clone that > website/repo. Is this how it works? If so, where is the repo? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: [netbeans] offline installation
IntelliJ is not distributed by Apache. NetBeans is distributed by Apache. Apache does not allow distribution of GPL code or binaries. The Java compiler is GPL licensed. Gj On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 7:07 PM Peter Steele wrote: > Oracle already has "donated" it in a way because of the openjdk project. > Nb-javac is just an extension of the javac distributed with added extras to > make ide's able to parse the results of compiling better (that's my take). > Intelij does a similar thing, presumably based on the openjdk code. > > The difference being intelij doesn't make you download something extra. So > the question is valid, why is netbeans different to intelij in this respect > and why does it have to be downloaded separately. I personally find it > weird why oracle thinks it wants to keep the extended javac code a secret > when the javac code is visible at the openjdk project. > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2018, 17:43 Geertjan Wielenga > >> No, that's the point. It will never be donated to Apache. It belongs to >> Oracle. Oracle is never going to donate its Java compiler, or forks >> thereof, to anybody. >> >> Gj >> >> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 6:41 PM Alex O'Ree wrote: >> >>> Is nb-javac on the roadmap for being donated to apache? >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:54 AM Geertjan Wielenga < >>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> Why can't we just bundle it all together and have it ready to go in the > zip? > Because, for example, in the case of Java support in Apache NetBeans, the nb-javac compiler belongs to Oracle and is GPL licensed and hence cannot be distributed by Apache. You need to install it yourself, i.e., individually accept the licensing terms. Gj On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Alex O'Ree wrote: > For what it's worth, I often have to install netbeans on computers > that are not connected to the internet. In v8.2 and prior, I could > download > the EE version and have everything I need to get up and running (except > for > maven dependencies and any additional netbeans plugins). Maven > dependencies > can be synced using a local nexus server and some swivel chair action and > i > was able to find a way to clone the entire netbeans plugin repo for local > installations. > > With the newer installs, we're pretty much forced o be online during > the first "activation" of a specific feature. Why can't we just bundle it > all together and have it ready to go in the zip? Alternatively, if there a > single place there all of the online activation stuff downloads the > necessary dependencies from then it's possible that i can just clone that > website/repo. Is this how it works? If so, where is the repo? >
Re: [netbeans] offline installation
Oracle already has "donated" it in a way because of the openjdk project. Nb-javac is just an extension of the javac distributed with added extras to make ide's able to parse the results of compiling better (that's my take). Intelij does a similar thing, presumably based on the openjdk code. The difference being intelij doesn't make you download something extra. So the question is valid, why is netbeans different to intelij in this respect and why does it have to be downloaded separately. I personally find it weird why oracle thinks it wants to keep the extended javac code a secret when the javac code is visible at the openjdk project. On Sat, 29 Dec 2018, 17:43 Geertjan Wielenga No, that's the point. It will never be donated to Apache. It belongs to > Oracle. Oracle is never going to donate its Java compiler, or forks > thereof, to anybody. > > Gj > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 6:41 PM Alex O'Ree wrote: > >> Is nb-javac on the roadmap for being donated to apache? >> >> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:54 AM Geertjan Wielenga < >> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> Why can't we just bundle it all together and have it ready to go in the zip? >>> >>> Because, for example, in the case of Java support in Apache NetBeans, >>> the nb-javac compiler belongs to Oracle and is GPL licensed and hence >>> cannot be distributed by Apache. You need to install it yourself, i.e., >>> individually accept the licensing terms. >>> >>> Gj >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Alex O'Ree wrote: >>> For what it's worth, I often have to install netbeans on computers that are not connected to the internet. In v8.2 and prior, I could download the EE version and have everything I need to get up and running (except for maven dependencies and any additional netbeans plugins). Maven dependencies can be synced using a local nexus server and some swivel chair action and i was able to find a way to clone the entire netbeans plugin repo for local installations. With the newer installs, we're pretty much forced o be online during the first "activation" of a specific feature. Why can't we just bundle it all together and have it ready to go in the zip? Alternatively, if there a single place there all of the online activation stuff downloads the necessary dependencies from then it's possible that i can just clone that website/repo. Is this how it works? If so, where is the repo? >>>
Re: [netbeans] offline installation
Is nb-javac on the roadmap for being donated to apache? On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:54 AM Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Why can't we just bundle it all together and have it ready to go in the >> zip? >> > > Because, for example, in the case of Java support in Apache NetBeans, the > nb-javac compiler belongs to Oracle and is GPL licensed and hence cannot be > distributed by Apache. You need to install it yourself, i.e., individually > accept the licensing terms. > > Gj > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Alex O'Ree wrote: > >> For what it's worth, I often have to install netbeans on computers that >> are not connected to the internet. In v8.2 and prior, I could download the >> EE version and have everything I need to get up and running (except for >> maven dependencies and any additional netbeans plugins). Maven dependencies >> can be synced using a local nexus server and some swivel chair action and i >> was able to find a way to clone the entire netbeans plugin repo for local >> installations. >> >> With the newer installs, we're pretty much forced o be online during the >> first "activation" of a specific feature. Why can't we just bundle it all >> together and have it ready to go in the zip? Alternatively, if there a >> single place there all of the online activation stuff downloads the >> necessary dependencies from then it's possible that i can just clone that >> website/repo. Is this how it works? If so, where is the repo? >> >
Re: [netbeans] offline installation
> > Why can't we just bundle it all together and have it ready to go in the > zip? > Because, for example, in the case of Java support in Apache NetBeans, the nb-javac compiler belongs to Oracle and is GPL licensed and hence cannot be distributed by Apache. You need to install it yourself, i.e., individually accept the licensing terms. Gj On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Alex O'Ree wrote: > For what it's worth, I often have to install netbeans on computers that > are not connected to the internet. In v8.2 and prior, I could download the > EE version and have everything I need to get up and running (except for > maven dependencies and any additional netbeans plugins). Maven dependencies > can be synced using a local nexus server and some swivel chair action and i > was able to find a way to clone the entire netbeans plugin repo for local > installations. > > With the newer installs, we're pretty much forced o be online during the > first "activation" of a specific feature. Why can't we just bundle it all > together and have it ready to go in the zip? Alternatively, if there a > single place there all of the online activation stuff downloads the > necessary dependencies from then it's possible that i can just clone that > website/repo. Is this how it works? If so, where is the repo? >
Re: [netbeans] offline installation
And consider using http://coolbeans.xyz if this is a problem for whatever reason. Gj On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 4:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Why can't we just bundle it all together and have it ready to go in the >> zip? >> > > Because, for example, in the case of Java support in Apache NetBeans, the > nb-javac compiler belongs to Oracle and is GPL licensed and hence cannot be > distributed by Apache. You need to install it yourself, i.e., individually > accept the licensing terms. > > Gj > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 4:52 PM Alex O'Ree wrote: > >> For what it's worth, I often have to install netbeans on computers that >> are not connected to the internet. In v8.2 and prior, I could download the >> EE version and have everything I need to get up and running (except for >> maven dependencies and any additional netbeans plugins). Maven dependencies >> can be synced using a local nexus server and some swivel chair action and i >> was able to find a way to clone the entire netbeans plugin repo for local >> installations. >> >> With the newer installs, we're pretty much forced o be online during the >> first "activation" of a specific feature. Why can't we just bundle it all >> together and have it ready to go in the zip? Alternatively, if there a >> single place there all of the online activation stuff downloads the >> necessary dependencies from then it's possible that i can just clone that >> website/repo. Is this how it works? If so, where is the repo? >> >
