Re: .pdf files

[ACG]

Oooops... sorry about this... should have directed to Mozilla rather than OO

Adrian Grant


On 26/03/2024 14:23, ACG wrote:

Dear All,

I hope you will consider this problem for a future update:

I get very frustrated with attached pdf files.
If I want to open one, Thunderbird simply opens it in another tab 
within Thunderbird! This is absolutely not what I want.
As a result I am faced with the laborious process of deciding where to 
save it then save it then open it in Acrobat reader.
How much better it would be for the file to open in Reader and when I 
have looked at it then I can decide what (if anything) to do with it.
My recollection is vague, but such as it is I seem to think that this 
opening within Thunderbird is a relative innovation.


The same thing does not happen with eg jpg or xls or odt where 
Thunderbird asks me to choose what to do.


I can see that there may be people who may be of the view that opening 
a pdf in Thunderbird is a step forward - thus eg you don't actually 
need Reader on the same device as Thunderbird, but at the same time I 
cannot see that removing the option to open in Reader is a good thing.


So please could pdf files join the rest or at least have the option to 
do so.
If you really wanted to make Thunderbird Rolls Royce, then the clever 
thing to do would be to allow the user to nominate default solutions 
for each file type.


Adrian Grant

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.pdf files

[ACG]

Dear All,

I hope you will consider this problem for a future update:

I get very frustrated with attached pdf files.
If I want to open one, Thunderbird simply opens it in another tab 
within Thunderbird! This is absolutely not what I want.
As a result I am faced with the laborious process of deciding where to 
save it then save it then open it in Acrobat reader.
How much better it would be for the file to open in Reader and when I 
have looked at it then I can decide what (if anything) to do with it.
My recollection is vague, but such as it is I seem to think that this 
opening within Thunderbird is a relative innovation.


The same thing does not happen with eg jpg or xls or odt where 
Thunderbird asks me to choose what to do.


I can see that there may be people who may be of the view that opening a 
pdf in Thunderbird is a step forward - thus eg you don't actually need 
Reader on the same device as Thunderbird, but at the same time I cannot 
see that removing the option to open in Reader is a good thing.


So please could pdf files join the rest or at least have the option to 
do so.
If you really wanted to make Thunderbird Rolls Royce, then the clever 
thing to do would be to allow the user to nominate default solutions for 
each file type.


Adrian Grant

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Calc making up its own (tiny) mind.... (2)

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Dear All,

Sorry... belay this request.
I have found and deleted the autocorrect item



I was using calc to complete the Private Eye Christmas Crossword puzzle.
One letter one cell

Although I entered everything in lower case, most - but not all! - of 
the "i" s defaulted to capital I as soon as I pressed "enter".
No other letter does this and two "i"s remains lower case. They are both 
in column "j" - but I have not specified this column as different from 
the rest.


I tried opening a new sheet and this time "i" defaults to "I" ALL the time
Other letters are not affected in this way.

Please can someone tell me what is going on and how to fix it?

Adrian Grant




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Calc making up its own (tiny) mind....

[ACG]

Dear All,

I was using calc to complete the Private Eye Christmas Crossword puzzle.
One letter one cell

Although I entered everything in lower case, most - but not all! - of 
the "i" s defaulted to capital I as soon as I pressed "enter".
No other letter does this and two "i"s remains lower case. They are both 
in column "j" - but I have not specified this column as different from 
the rest.


I tried opening a new sheet and this time "i" defaults to "I" ALL the time
Other letters are not affected in this way.

Please can someone tell me what is going on and how to fix it?

Adrian Grant



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Re: Win 11 Update destroyed User Ability

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Join the gang, Martin.
The most recent Win 10 update has permanently disabled my graphics card 
(so I have lost my second monitor and circles appear as rigby balls etc. 
etc.) and I had to download a new driver for my printer

Adrian


On 30/09/2023 20:36, Martin Tingley wrote:

Hi, Since Win 11 latest update I can now no longer see such icons as 'Bold,
Italics, Underline, Left, Center, Right and Justify'. These, in my opinion,
are the most important icons which I can no longer see. Is there a fix to
make them darker?
Thank you,
Martin Tingley
martintingle...@gmail.com





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Re: How do you guys get rid of the extra spacing between words?

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The solution was exactly what I had suggested.
Jada was in "Justified" mode ie left and right.
She wanted to be in Justified Left mode.

Adrian

On 31/08/2023 21:39, J Leslie Turriff wrote:

On 2023-08-30 09:29:57 The Telepath wrote:

Nevermind, I figured it out.

And the solution is...?

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Re: How do you guys get rid of the extra spacing between words?

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OK Jada, I understand,
You have your text justified right AND left - so the program is 
inserting spaces to suit. (this is the right hand end of the four options)
So  if you don't want the text justified switch to justified Left (the 
first option) and you will have your single spaces and a ragged right 
hand side.


Adrian


On 28/08/2023 15:40, The Telepath wrote:

Hi,

I am wondering if you guys can please help me. Do you guys know how I can
get rid of the extra spacing between the words? I attached a video so you
guys can see it
  Extraspacesbetweenwords.mp4

.

Thanks,
Jada





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Re: How do you guys get rid of the extra spacing between words?

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Hello Jada,

I am not familiar enough with OO to know why you are generating the 
double spaces in the first place, but once your document is complete it 
is very easy to get rid of them.
Simply use "Find and Replace". In the "find" type two spaces (ie use the 
space bar twice)

In the "replace" type one space.
Then click on "replace all".
You may need to click on "replace all" more than once to be sure.

Adrian

On 28/08/2023 15:40, The Telepath wrote:

Hi,

I am wondering if you guys can please help me. Do you guys know how I can
get rid of the extra spacing between the words? I attached a video so you
guys can see it
  Extraspacesbetweenwords.mp4

.

Thanks,
Jada





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Re: How can I waterproof my document

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Thanks for that reply Alan... I've also learned something new. Great!
Adrian


On 26/06/2023 21:19, Alan B wrote:

Working from what you ask, "I don't want others to edit my book while they
are viewing it," The first option that comes to mind is a secure PDF.

OO can create a secure PDF via "File > Export as PDF..."

The "PDF Options" dialog will open.

Select the "Security" tab.
Click the "Set Passwords..." button.

The "Set passwords" dialog will open with options for two types of
passwords. One password is to allow opening the PDF. That's not the one to
use. The "Set permission password" is the one to use.

For the "Set permission password" put a password in the "Password" field
and repeat it in the "Confirm" field.
Click the "OK" button to return to the "PDF Options" dialog box.
Tick the "Not permitted" option in the "Changes" section on the right side
of the Options dialog box.
... you may also want to disable copying text / images from the PDF into
another file, untick "Enable copying of content" to prevent copying from
the PDF
Now click the "Export" button.

The new PDF can be opened without a password but cannot be edited in a PDF
editor without knowing the "permission password." So don't make the
permission password simple. NOTE: this permission password only applies to
the PDF. It has NOTHING to do with the .odt file.

Whoever receives the PDF can open and read it at will but cannot edit it
(and cannot copy from it if the "Enable copying of content" option was
unticked). Even if the file is copied, the copy will still have the
permission password in it so the copy can't be edited either.

By doing this the file you send cannot be edited by the recipient and
copies of the file cannot be edited.

Keep in mind there are many ways to create an editable file from a PDF. But
the file you send and any copies made cannot be changed.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 6:13 PM The Telepath  wrote:


Hello OpenOffice,
I am wondering how you can waterproof a document on OpenOffice. I am a
writer and I am trying to send a copy of my book to people who are giving
me feedback. I don't want others to edit my book while they are viewing it.
What is the best way to send people a copy of my book, and they can only
view it?

Thanks,
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Re: How can I waterproof my document

[ACG]

Thanks for that reply Alan... I've also learned something new. Great!
Adrian


On 26/06/2023 21:19, Alan B wrote:

Working from what you ask, "I don't want others to edit my book while they
are viewing it," The first option that comes to mind is a secure PDF.

OO can create a secure PDF via "File > Export as PDF..."

The "PDF Options" dialog will open.

Select the "Security" tab.
Click the "Set Passwords..." button.

The "Set passwords" dialog will open with options for two types of
passwords. One password is to allow opening the PDF. That's not the one to
use. The "Set permission password" is the one to use.

For the "Set permission password" put a password in the "Password" field
and repeat it in the "Confirm" field.
Click the "OK" button to return to the "PDF Options" dialog box.
Tick the "Not permitted" option in the "Changes" section on the right side
of the Options dialog box.
... you may also want to disable copying text / images from the PDF into
another file, untick "Enable copying of content" to prevent copying from
the PDF
Now click the "Export" button.

The new PDF can be opened without a password but cannot be edited in a PDF
editor without knowing the "permission password." So don't make the
permission password simple. NOTE: this permission password only applies to
the PDF. It has NOTHING to do with the .odt file.

Whoever receives the PDF can open and read it at will but cannot edit it
(and cannot copy from it if the "Enable copying of content" option was
unticked). Even if the file is copied, the copy will still have the
permission password in it so the copy can't be edited either.

By doing this the file you send cannot be edited by the recipient and
copies of the file cannot be edited.

Keep in mind there are many ways to create an editable file from a PDF. But
the file you send and any copies made cannot be changed.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 6:13 PM The Telepath  wrote:


Hello OpenOffice,
I am wondering how you can waterproof a document on OpenOffice. I am a
writer and I am trying to send a copy of my book to people who are giving
me feedback. I don't want others to edit my book while they are viewing it.
What is the best way to send people a copy of my book, and they can only
view it?

Thanks,
Jada Schallhorn






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Re: How can I waterproof my document

[ACG]

Hello Jada,

I think you may mean watermark rather than waterproof!! But I don't 
think this prevents copying.


This is extremely difficult to do effectively as it is so easy to find 
workarounds.
The best way would probably to save each page as an image rather than 
text and then save it as .pdf - there may be an easy way to do this 
commercially, but it is unlikely to be cheap.


You can set it as "read only" - but the problem here is that it is easy 
for anyone to "copy and paste", creating their own editable document.


I had this problem recently and I resorted to hard copy. Quite a lot of 
printing (and then there is the cost of delivery). But I think this is 
really the only safe way.
By the way I think that you will get far better feedback from hard copy. 
First they can write on your pages and secondly no-one will be 
frustrated from seeing only one screenful at a time. With hard copy you 
can stick fingers  (or other bookmarks) into several different places to 
be able to  flip back and forth


Adrian  Grant



On 24/06/2023 22:48, The Telepath wrote:

Hello OpenOffice,
I am wondering how you can waterproof a document on OpenOffice. I am a
writer and I am trying to send a copy of my book to people who are giving
me feedback. I don't want others to edit my book while they are viewing it.
What is the best way to send people a copy of my book, and they can only
view it?

Thanks,
Jada Schallhorn





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Re: OT: Re: File [not] deleted

[ACG]

Correct the wail of many a Scottish school student despite being 
caught redhanded

"It was not me"

/À nos devoirs/: (French, meaning: to the business at hand)

I am running Windows 10 (machine too old to upgrade, sadly) and I have a 
short-cut to OO writer on the start menu.
It shows recent documents and here you can pin individual items to the 
menu - so they will stay there even if otherwise they would have dropped 
off the top 10 (or however many it is).


At any one time I will have a small number of documents I am referring 
to from time to time - so I will pin them for a period and then when the 
project has reached a conclusion (eg I have put the paper up online) 
then I will unpin it and in due course it will slide back into oblivion 
(ie the folder where I put it in the first place). Because the topics I 
am writing about overlap it is sometimes hard to make a clear and 
sensible choice as to which folder should be their home (and often this 
means going up several layers of nesting before descending as many again 
etc - which is why Brian's comments (below) while drôle are not 
actually apposite.


My remarks were primarily aimed at the list on the start menu. An 
upgrade to OO voided this list altogether and if I then opened the 
document via the recent documents frop down menu within the program 
itself this was not enough to put it back on the start menu recent 
document list.
Only by going to the file itself and invoking OO writer by clicking on 
the file in question would it then be recognised and placed on the start 
menu recent list.


Although I was very annoyed at the time - and it took a while to work 
out what was going on - I am no masochist, so I have not recreated the 
problem for myself. However on occasion I have had to open a document 
from the RD menu in the program and then start the Save As process to 
establish where it is located. I can then go to the correct folder and 
open it /ab initio/ from there - putting it onto the start menu  RD list 
so that I can then pin it if required.


Returning to Brian's remark: we all know what happens to memory 
(computer and human) as it gets full: search time increases 
asymptotically. Such brain as I have left is far too valuable to be 
cluttered with car keys (always put them back in their place or there is 
serious trouble) or document folders.


Adrian



On 14/12/2021 00:03, Dave wrote:

Thanks David,

For a short period of time I lived in Scotland and really enjoyed that
time, except that I could never fully understand what those fantastic
Scottish folks were saying to me :)

Dave

On 13/12/2021 23:43, David Robley wrote:

S ut wisnae me sounds like a Scots(?) accent "so it was nae [not] me"

On 14/12/21 10:13 am, Dave wrote:

Yes, apologies, I clicked send before checking all aspects of the
message to be sent.

Sorry, I don't understand the shorthand:
"S ut wisnae me."

Look forward to your reply tomorrow.

Dave

 Original Message 
From: ACG [mailto:freuc...@idnet.com]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021, 23:34 UTC
To:users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: File [not] deleted


Err Dave it was your message to me which was off list.
S ut wisnae me.

Too tired now, will try to answer tomorrow...

Adrian

On 13/12/2021 23:08, Moderator wrote:

Hi Adrian,

Can we please keep this ON-LIST.

IF you are so so fully aware of these things, why do you still believe
that the software should be expected to continuously track EVERYTHING
across your entire OS file system and and continuously rebuild this
simplistic pointer/shortcut list.

You provide ZERO evidence that that some "unidentified" update "wiped"
the "recent documents" list. Even though that may be true, because
software, especially updates, can produce unpredictable results, anyone
who chooses relies entirely on some weak, simplistic archive record
outside of the OS, must accept the consequences of their choice.

For the benefit of others reading this and may be interested, can you
please describe your "work around"?

Dave



*From:* ACG [mailto:freuc...@idnet.com]
*Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021, 22:42 UTC
*To:* Dave
*Subject:* File [not] deleted


Thanks, Dave, but I am fully aware of these things.
The fact is that following an update the recent documents list was
wiped. That includes pinned documents.
It is also the case that there are circumstances where the way you
open a file may or may not trigger it being registered on the "recent
documents" list.
Because I do understand these things I have been able to work around
it - but it is a faff.

Adrian

On 13/12/2021 22:32, Dave wrote:

 Original Message 
From: ACG [mailto:freuc...@idnet.com]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021, 21:48 UTC
To:users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: File [not] deleted


On 13/12/2

Re: File [not] deleted

[ACG]

Err Dave it was your message to me which was off list.
S ut wisnae me.

Too tired now, will try to answer tomorrow...

Adrian

On 13/12/2021 23:08, Moderator wrote:

Hi Adrian,

Can we please keep this ON-LIST.

IF you are so so fully aware of these things, why do you still believe
that the software should be expected to continuously track EVERYTHING
across your entire OS file system and and continuously rebuild this
simplistic pointer/shortcut list.

You provide ZERO evidence that that some "unidentified" update "wiped"
the "recent documents" list. Even though that may be true, because
software, especially updates, can produce unpredictable results, anyone
who chooses relies entirely on some weak, simplistic archive record
outside of the OS, must accept the consequences of their choice.

For the benefit of others reading this and may be interested, can you
please describe your "work around"?

Dave

----
*From:* ACG [mailto:freuc...@idnet.com]
*Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021, 22:42 UTC
*To:* Dave
*Subject:* File [not] deleted


Thanks, Dave, but I am fully aware of these things.
The fact is that following an update the recent documents list was
wiped. That includes pinned documents.
It is also the case that there are circumstances where the way you
open a file may or may not trigger it being registered on the "recent
documents" list.
Because I do understand these things I have been able to work around
it - but it is a faff.

Adrian

On 13/12/2021 22:32, Dave wrote:

 Original Message 
From: ACG [mailto:freuc...@idnet.com]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021, 21:48 UTC
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: File [not] deleted


On 13/12/2021 21:39, Brian Barker wrote:

At 14:29 13/12/2021 +, Adrian Grant wrote:

It's a bit of a faff - and you have to remember where they [sc. your
document files] all are ...

It's funny that: I find the same applies to many other things, too. I
have to remember where my keys are, my spectacles, my phone, my car,
those tomatoes I bought yesterday - oh, and my document files.

Brian Barker

Très drôle - but having to repopulate a "recent documents" list is a
pain

Adrian Grant

You appear to be unaware of what the "recent documents" list is.
It is nothing more than a very simplistic record of files that were
previously opened/used by the software at some point in time. If those
files have been relocated/deleted by anything outside of the software's
control, the "recent documents" pointers/shortcuts to those locations
will be invalidated.
If you, as a user, choose to reconstruct/repopulate that list of
pointers/shortcuts that is your choice, but it is not something the
software should be expected to continuously track across your entire OS
file system and continuously rebuild.
"In my NOT so humble opinion", for inexperienced computer/software users
the "recent documents" list is the worst, most misleading and confusing
thing ever added to the software. It is only useful if you genuinely
understand what it really is and how it functions.





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Re: File [not] deleted

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On 13/12/2021 21:39, Brian Barker wrote:

At 14:29 13/12/2021 +, Adrian Grant wrote:
It's a bit of a faff - and you have to remember where they [sc. your 
document files] all are ...


It's funny that: I find the same applies to many other things, too. I 
have to remember where my keys are, my spectacles, my phone, my car, 
those tomatoes I bought yesterday - oh, and my document files.


Brian Barker


Très drôle - but having to repopulate a "recent documents" list is a 
pain


Adrian Grant



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Re: File deleted

[ACG]

I wonder whether you actually have the same problem I had.
"Recent Documents" could be stored anywhere - and if you go the the 
folder(s) I'll bet they are still there.
The problem is that OO is not very clever at saving the list of "recent 
documents".
If you open OO first then you may find them in THAT list - but even if 
you open them from that list they will still not appear on the desktop 
shortcut icon list.
However if you go to the folder where it is kept and open it from there 
then it SHOULD return to the "recent documents" list.
It's a bit of a faff - and you have to remember where they all are - but 
you should get there in the end.


Adrian Grant.




On 13/12/2021 13:59, Edna Pasello wrote:

Dear Sir/Madam,
All documents that were saved in "Recent Documents" disappeared, including a 
text I had written this morning.
How do I recover my file?
I await a reply.
Thank you very much for your attention.
Kind regards,
Edna Pasello




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missing feature (2)

[ACG]

Dear Open Office people,

My mistake here.
It seems that when I installed the update the list of "recent" documents 
was wiped.
It seems further that because the program no longer recognised any 
"recent" documents it also failed to show the heading "recent" on the 
pop up menu.

Since using Writer again it has reappeared

Adrian Grant

Dear Open Office people,

Sorry but I am not really "getting" how all this works.
I did have a log-in facility when Open Office was under Sun/Oracle - but 
this seems not to have transferred.


Since downloading the recent update I am disappointed to see one feature 
appears to have been removed.
When I want to go back to a file I have used recently  I would click on 
the start button and then right click on the Open Office Writer short 
cut icon that appeared. As with MS Word, Acrobat Reader etc.  a list of 
"recent" documents would pop up.

The Writer icon had quite a short list, but it was nevertheless useful.
Now no longer - so I have to open Open Office, open Writer (so a new 
document appears) and only then, within writer can I access "recent 
documents" from an element in a submenu.


yours etc.
Adrian Grant