RE: OT (was Question re/ using Open Office
Great to see you here, Julian. I cannot claim Senior then. My first code was written in Fortran [I, but of course it didn't need a version number until II arrived] in May, 1958. It compiled on the IBM 704 at Boeing and failed on a divide-check. I was a 19 year-old Engineering Aide in the Transport Division, then in Renton, and the work was in wing loads analysis for the forthcoming Boeing 720. (My first foray into programming was, fortunately, unrelated to that task.) My first-computer love was the IBM 650 though. I went from that onto a Remington Rand - Sperry Univac - Xerox career path, retiring from Xerox at the end of 1998 I don't write assembler or much anything else (except HTML and Powerpoint) these days, but I can't stay away. And I always loved open-source work, even before it was called that. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Julian Thomas [mailto:j...@jt-mj.net] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 19:04 To: Open Office Apache list Subject: OT (was Question re/ using Open Office On Jun 26, 2015, at 09:19, Richard Fox rafo...@outlook.com wrote: Looks like we've both been around the block a time or 2 - though I'm not the techie that you are. My first experience was in the early 60s. Learned to write Fortran on an old Philco 2000 while working in research for an aerospace division of Ford. I joined IBM in 1968 and although I was in sales I learned to write in assembler, COBOL, ALGOL, PL1, APL, SIMSCRIPT (a simulation language), Basic and on into the languages of the 90s. I started out in the '50s on Univac I, IBM 704/709, and Honeywell machines [D1000; H800, H400]. Joined IBM in '62 and went to work on microprogramming for the 360 line. Assembler, many machines; autocoder [1401 and 1410], APL [when I could get to a terminal with the right electric ball]. Retired in '93. Because of my experience in research I was often able to do problem determination as well or better than some of the best technicians. I went to work for Amdahl in WA in the early 90s and a couple of other companies after that. Worked with Gene at IBM in the '60s and again on a short consulting contract in the late '90s - he was still sharp then, although I've been advised that he now has advanced Altzheimers. Finally gave it up. Got tired of working for and around idiots. Went back to IBM in 2000 but gave it up for good after 6 months. It was no longer the IBM that I had once worked for. Just another hack company as far as I was concerned. Agree. — jt - j...@jt-mj.net ... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs.-Robert Firth (stolen from somewhere else) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question re/ using Open Office
On 06/26/2015 09:19 AM, Richard Fox wrote: Thanks again for your help. If you ever figure out a way to open MS files with open as, please let me know. In the meantime, I have a workable solution. I just checked with Windows 10. I normally use Windows 7, when I have to use Windows. W10 is different in that the apps do not appear to be automatically added as an app registered to open a file type. Instead, it's necessary to click on Open with Choose another app and then choose the app from Other Options and also select Always use this app However, even after selecting that, the app will not appear in the Open with list, though it is the default. I guess this is Microsoft's way to discourage competitor software. I suspect W8 is the same as W10 in this respect. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/26/2015 12:01 PM, Richard Fox wrote: I've considered trying Linux, but I'm afraid that I have too many programs that I rely on that won't be available. There's a couple of things you can do. Many Windows apps can run in something called wine or the commercial version, CrossOver Office. The other, as I do, is to run a virtual machine. For example, on this computer, I've got both Windows 7 and 10 running in VirtualBox virtual machines. With W7, I have access to my disks and can use cut 'n paste between Linux and Windows. However, VirtualBox isn't quite up to speed with W10, so I have to use a network share to access my files on Linux. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question re/ using Open Office
Looks like we've both been around the block a time or 2 - though I'm not the techie that you are. My first experience was in the early 60s. Learned to write Fortran on an old Philco 2000 while working in research for an aerospace division of Ford. I joined IBM in 1968 and although I was in sales I learned to write in assembler, COBOL, ALGOL, PL1, APL, SIMSCRIPT (a simulation language), Basic and on into the languages of the 90s. Because of my experience in research I was often able to do problem determination as well or better than some of the best technicians. I went to work for Amdahl in WA in the early 90s and a couple of other companies after that. Finally gave it up. Got tired of working for and around idiots. Went back to IBM in 2000 but gave it up for good after 6 months. It was no longer the IBM that I had once worked for. Just another hack company as far as I was concerned. Thanks again for your help. If you ever figure out a way to open MS files with open as, please let me know. In the meantime, I have a workable solution. -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:07 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org ; Richard Fox Subject: Re: Question re/ using Open Office On 06/25/2015 10:25 PM, James Knott wrote: For the record, I bought my first computer in 1976, an IMSAI 8080, worked for several years as a computer technician maintaining mini-computers, DEC VAX 11/780, a few different PR1ME and Data General models, along with a Collins C8500 (a mil spec version of the IBM 360) system running the Air Canada reservation system and also 3rd level support at IBM Canada, where I worked on OS/2, Windows 95, NT XP and several applications. I also have considerable experience with Linux and am a Cisco CCNA. I have also completed several computer science courses. In short, my experience with computers goes back to the mid '70s or even a few years earlier, if you count a FORTRAN class I took in high school. Forgot to mention Certified OS/2 Warp 4 Engineer and Novell Netware 3.x CNA. Richard Fox rafo...@outlook.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question re/ using Open Office
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 09:12:26 -0400 Bruce Pierson bpierson...@gmail.com wrote: And I thought I was ancient using an Osborne 1 (with Super Calc) and a DEC PDP 8 recording data from a No. 5 Cross Bar switch. Back in the 80's *The Department of Redundancy Department* I build several Z80s using motherboard kits back in 1978 and later. When we got CP/M running on them, we borrowed WordStar from an Osborne 1. RoryOF On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 7:59 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: On 06/26/2015 01:08 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: Do they still make mainframes? Yes, but these days they're clusters of thousands of CPUs, usually running Linux. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question re/ using Open Office
Thanks, James. That actually makes sense. It looked to me like a registry problem. I think I'm going to install OO on my wife's Win 7 system and see what happens. You've been a great help. I wish others were that persistent. I've considered trying Linux, but I'm afraid that I have too many programs that I rely on that won't be available. Guess I'm a prisoner to MS - just like I am to the cell phone providers. -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:41 AM To: users@openoffice.apache.org ; Richard Fox Subject: Re: Question re/ using Open Office On 06/26/2015 09:19 AM, Richard Fox wrote: Thanks again for your help. If you ever figure out a way to open MS files with open as, please let me know. In the meantime, I have a workable solution. I just checked with Windows 10. I normally use Windows 7, when I have to use Windows. W10 is different in that the apps do not appear to be automatically added as an app registered to open a file type. Instead, it's necessary to click on Open with Choose another app and then choose the app from Other Options and also select Always use this app However, even after selecting that, the app will not appear in the Open with list, though it is the default. I guess this is Microsoft's way to discourage competitor software. I suspect W8 is the same as W10 in this respect. Richard Fox rafo...@outlook.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
OT (was Question re/ using Open Office
On Jun 26, 2015, at 09:19, Richard Fox rafo...@outlook.com wrote: Looks like we've both been around the block a time or 2 - though I'm not the techie that you are. My first experience was in the early 60s. Learned to write Fortran on an old Philco 2000 while working in research for an aerospace division of Ford. I joined IBM in 1968 and although I was in sales I learned to write in assembler, COBOL, ALGOL, PL1, APL, SIMSCRIPT (a simulation language), Basic and on into the languages of the 90s. I started out in the '50s on Univac I, IBM 704/709, and Honeywell machines [D1000; H800, H400]. Joined IBM in '62 and went to work on microprogramming for the 360 line. Assembler, many machines; autocoder [1401 and 1410], APL [when I could get to a terminal with the right electric ball]. Retired in '93. Because of my experience in research I was often able to do problem determination as well or better than some of the best technicians. I went to work for Amdahl in WA in the early 90s and a couple of other companies after that. Worked with Gene at IBM in the '60s and again on a short consulting contract in the late '90s - he was still sharp then, although I've been advised that he now has advanced Altzheimers. Finally gave it up. Got tired of working for and around idiots. Went back to IBM in 2000 but gave it up for good after 6 months. It was no longer the IBM that I had once worked for. Just another hack company as far as I was concerned. Agree. — jt - j...@jt-mj.net ... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs.-Robert Firth (stolen from somewhere else) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question re/ using Open Office
And I thought I was ancient using an Osborne 1 (with Super Calc) and a DEC PDP 8 recording data from a No. 5 Cross Bar switch. Back in the 80's *The Department of Redundancy Department* On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 7:59 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: On 06/26/2015 01:08 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: Do they still make mainframes? Yes, but these days they're clusters of thousands of CPUs, usually running Linux. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/26/2015 12:06 AM, Robert Jackson wrote: The first computer we owned was a MITS Altair 8800 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800 Here's the IMSAI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSAI_8080 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/26/2015 01:08 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: Do they still make mainframes? Yes, but these days they're clusters of thousands of CPUs, usually running Linux. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question re/ using Open Office
On 6/25/2015 7:29 PM, Richard Fox wrote: OK. That works. But it's kind of a back-handed approach. What I was trying to do was to double-click on an xlsx document itself, right click on open with and have it open with OO. It really SHOULD since I have both MS Office and OO installed. But for some reason, my system doesn't seem to recognize that OO is installed. For the record ... I was selling mainframes to the largest corporations in the world and managing project management teams world-wide a long time ago (possibly before you were born - no slight intended). I really do know how to do problem determination. I have spent hours and I just can't figure out why this won't work without having to start OO first. I have at least a dozen options. It's just that OO isn't one of them. It's almost as though it didn't get into the registry properly. I'll work on this some more when I get a chance. Do you think that the problem might be the name of the program you're looking for is not openoffice.exe, but rather soffice.exe or swriter.exe ??? The names are still the same as they were when the product was called Star Office. I used Star Office under OS/2 Warp even before Sun had anything to do with it. I, too, was a mainframer but I retired 15 years ago. Do they still make mainframes? Dale Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question re/ using Open Office
Doesn't seem to work. No matter how I try to open an xlsx file (Office 2010) I can't seem to get an OO option. This PS is running Win 8.1. I have both Office 2010 and OO running so that I can test portability. I'm also using File Center for file management. I thought that might be the problem since it's in the middle of everything, but that's not the problem. I've tested with the files in Explorer and I still can't select OO to open. I have another PC that's running Win 7 but I don't have OO installed on it. -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:09 AM To: users@openoffice.apache.org ; Richard Fox Subject: Re: Question re/ using Open Office On 06/25/2015 09:26 AM, Richard Fox wrote: Thanks for the information. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to work as you described. I have both MS Office and OO installed (for testing), and when I right click on open with I get about a dozen options but OO isn't one of them. Can you open OO first and then open the file with it? It's unusual that you can't find OO when you use open with. I assume you're running Windows. Richard Fox rafo...@outlook.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question re/ using Open Office
On 06/25/2015 09:53 PM, Julian Thomas wrote: On Jun 25, 2015, at 20:29, Richard Fox rafo...@outlook.com wrote: OK. That works. But it's kind of a back-handed approach. What I was trying to do was to double-click on an xlsx document itself, right click on open with and have it open with OO. It really SHOULD since I have both MS Office and OO installed. But for some reason, my system doesn't seem to recognize that OO is installed. As may have been suggested [this assumes you are using windoze], you need to change the defaults for the default app to open a file when you click on it. See the previous posts in this thread [I don't use MS windoze and don't remember the exact procedure]. Windows will work like your Linux: open the OO program, go to the file prompt, and find the file you want to open and click on it. --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/25/2015 10:25 PM, James Knott wrote: For the record, I bought my first computer in 1976, an IMSAI 8080, worked for several years as a computer technician maintaining mini-computers, DEC VAX 11/780, a few different PR1ME and Data General models, along with a Collins C8500 (a mil spec version of the IBM 360) system running the Air Canada reservation system and also 3rd level support at IBM Canada, where I worked on OS/2, Windows 95, NT XP and several applications. I also have considerable experience with Linux and am a Cisco CCNA. I have also completed several computer science courses. In short, my experience with computers goes back to the mid '70s or even a few years earlier, if you count a FORTRAN class I took in high school. Forgot to mention Certified OS/2 Warp 4 Engineer and Novell Netware 3.x CNA. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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To change the default association in win 8.1, using the following as a guide: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows-8/choose-programs-windows-uses-default# http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows-8/choose-programs-windows-uses-default# The first computer we owned was a MITS Altair 8800 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800 On Jun 25, 2015, at 11:07 PM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote: On 06/25/2015 10:25 PM, James Knott wrote: For the record, I bought my first computer in 1976, an IMSAI 8080, worked for several years as a computer technician maintaining mini-computers, DEC VAX 11/780, a few different PR1ME and Data General models, along with a Collins C8500 (a mil spec version of the IBM 360) system running the Air Canada reservation system and also 3rd level support at IBM Canada, where I worked on OS/2, Windows 95, NT XP and several applications. I also have considerable experience with Linux and am a Cisco CCNA. I have also completed several computer science courses. In short, my experience with computers goes back to the mid '70s or even a few years earlier, if you count a FORTRAN class I took in high school. Forgot to mention Certified OS/2 Warp 4 Engineer and Novell Netware 3.x CNA. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question re/ using Open Office
On Jun 25, 2015, at 20:29, Richard Fox rafo...@outlook.com wrote: OK. That works. But it's kind of a back-handed approach. What I was trying to do was to double-click on an xlsx document itself, right click on open with and have it open with OO. It really SHOULD since I have both MS Office and OO installed. But for some reason, my system doesn't seem to recognize that OO is installed. As may have been suggested [this assumes you are using windoze], you need to change the defaults for the default app to open a file when you click on it. See the previous posts in this thread [I don't use MS windoze and don't remember the exact procedure]. — jt - j...@jt-mj.net A computer is like air conditioning; it becomes useless when you open Windows. -Linus Torvalds - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Question re/ using Open Office
Thanks for your help. I'll take a look at your suggestions. -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 11:32 AM To: users@openoffice.apache.org ; rafo...@outlook.com Subject: Re: Question re/ using Open Office On 06/23/2015 02:15 PM, Richard Fox wrote: I’m considering using Open Office instead of the MS products that I’ve used for years. I’ve done a slight amount of testing to look into compatibility with MS Office, and I’m not getting the results I had hoped for. Can you tell me how OO interacts with the MS world – like how do you convert documents from one format to the other. I’ve tried opening an OO document with Word and it took about 3 or 4 steps to do it. I then tried to open a Word document in OO and I was unable to. I also tried to save a Word document with an OO extension and I couldn’t to it. If there’s an easy way to migrate back and forth I would really be interested in OO and I’d gladly contribute to your development. However, I need to be able to live in both “worlds”. You should be able to open Word, Excel etc. documents without any problem. Just click on the icon and OO should open. However, if you already have MS Office installed, it might be the default application. In that case, just right click on the file and select the app you want. As for OO to MS, that depends on the version. Later versions of MS Office should be able to open ODF (the OO default) documents, but you can also export in MS formats. You can even make the MS formats the default. Richard Fox rafo...@outlook.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
