Re: Open Office vs MS Office

2014-07-23 Thread mt

2014-07-15 7:16 GMT+02:00 Senior.System Analyst :


Dear Sir/Madam,
Kindly provide us your comments for the following at the earliest.
(a) Formatting (color size, shapes, etc.) may change once MS word document
is opened in Open Office. [...]


I wonder if it is sensible to compare individual features and 
behaviour across different programs, even when they are designed 
to "do the same thing".


Seems to me it is simpler (and a lot more useful) that you focus 
instead on what you want to do with an office suite.


Once you have defined your requirements, you will then be able 
to compare how MS Office and Open Office can achieve those 
results, and compare their performance "for the task".


HTH,

mt



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Re: Open Office vs MS Office

2014-07-17 Thread Toki
On 7/14/2014 10:16 PM, Senior.System Analyst wrote:
>(a) Formatting (color size, shapes, etc.) may change once MS word
document is opened in Open Office.

As a general rule, if the document remains the same when opened with
different versions of MSO, it will remain the same when opened with AOo.

>(b) Sometimes behaviour of open office is uncertain when using Smart
Art & Word Art styles (of MS Power point, excel).

This is problematic when switching between document formats, and
programs that can not read/write/edit ODF file formats.

> (c) Animation of MS Powerpoint slides does not always work as desired in Open 
> Office.

Known issue.

> (d) Although macros are supported in Open Office but the Macros created using 
> MS Office cannot be executed in Open Office.

AOo and MSO use different languages for macros.  As such, you'll have to
rewrite the macros in a language that AOo understands.
That said, there used to be a program that converted MSO macros to AOo.
I don't know if that program is still available.

When migrating to AOo from MSO, two things are vital:
* Rewrite all macros in a language that AOo can utilize;
* Construct all templates from scratch, specifically for AOo;
That means that your organization will either have to train somebody
in-house to write macros, and construct templates,
or hire an independent contractor to perform that task for your
organization.

> (e) Some of the features that are easily available in MS Office could not be 
> found in Open office such as;-

> (i) Spelling / Grammar check

Dictionaries in all of the official languages of India have been
released.  However, they have not been maintained.
OTOH, fixing errors, adding words, deleting words, etc to a dictionary
is fairly straightforward.

Thus far, the grammar checkers have focused on European languages.
Language Tool has a basic rule set for Malayalam.
Developing functional rule sets requires both a deep knowledge of the
grammar of the language, and a comprehensive understanding of XML.
Understanding when, and more importantly, when _not_ to create rules
used by Language Tool is an art form that few people master.

Between the various grammar checkers, roughly 40 languages can claim
some type of grammar checking. However, I wouldn't rely on any of them.
OTOH, I've yet to see any of them do what MSO specializes in --- claim
the sentence is grammatically incorrect, change it to what it calls
correct, and then claim the correction is grammatically incorrect,
and change it back to the way it was, repeating the cycle ad infinitum.

>  (ii) View files side by side with Synchronous scrolling

I've seen that demoed in an OpenOffice.org fork, but don't know which
fork it was, nor how it was done. :(
For the time being, assume it isn't present in AOo, and won't be
included for a couple of versions.

>  (iii) Converting the impress document into PDF results in the printing of 
> all hidden slides too.

That is a configuration issue.  Change the settings, and the behaviour
will change.

jonathon

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Re: Open Office vs MS Office

2014-07-15 Thread Steve Ahlers
On Jul 15, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Martin Groenescheij  
wrote:

> 
> As this is a user forum, the answers you see (if you we're subscribed to this 
> forum)
> are from users. Don't expect that developers will read this forum.
> 
> There are difference, OpenOffice has reversed engineer the MS Office code, 
> hence
> conversions will always has minor problems.
> 
> OpenOffice is implemented in many large companies and governmental institutes.
> 
> OpenOffice give you all the functionality that MS Office has, but it could 
> take time to
> learn to work with Styles.
> 
> If you need 100% compatibility or if you need to work on documents with 
> partners
> who use MS Office stick with MS Office.
> 
> The real question is:  Can you achieve your goals with OpenOffice and that's
> something only you can answer.
> 
> On 15-7-2014 15:16, Senior.System Analyst wrote:
>> Dear Sir/Madam,
>> Kindly provide us your comments for the following at the earliest.
>> (a) Formatting (color size, shapes, etc.) may change once MS word document 
>> is opened in Open Office.
>> (b) Sometimes behaviour of open office is uncertain when using Smart Art & 
>> Word Art styles (of MS Power point, excel).
>> (c) Animation of MS Powerpoint slides does not always work as desired in 
>> Open Office.
>> (d) Although macros are supported in Open Office but the Macros created 
>> using MS Office cannot be executed in Open Office.
>> (e) Some of the features that are easily available in MS Office could not be 
>> found in Open office such as;-
>>  (i) Spelling / Grammer check
>>  (ii) View files side by side with Synchronous scrolling
>>  (iii) Converting the impress document into PDF results in the printing of 
>> all hidden slides too. But in MS Office, the hidden slides are not printed 
>> even when it is converted into PDF.
>> 
>> An early reply will highly be appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> J. Balachandran,
>> DSP, CBI, System Division,
>> 
>> New Delhi
>> 
>> 011-24365140
>> 9650094172
>> cc: Mr. Vikram, k/p 18.04.2014
>> 

The compatibility issues (a), (b), (c) and (d) are true for any proprietary 
file structure, and can be seen between different versions of MS Office.

My version of Apache Open Office has spell checking and dictionaries available 
in many different languages and dialects. I don't use grammar checking but I 
believe extensions are available that will perform that function.

Depending on your operating system and display you should be able to view 
multiple documents side by side; I can easily view two documents on my iMac and 
even a third using my iPad as an auxiliary display.

I don't know enough about presentation software to address your last issue.

Steve
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Re: Open Office vs MS Office

2014-07-15 Thread Martin Groenescheij


As this is a user forum, the answers you see (if you we're subscribed to 
this forum)

are from users. Don't expect that developers will read this forum.

There are difference, OpenOffice has reversed engineer the MS Office 
code, hence

conversions will always has minor problems.

OpenOffice is implemented in many large companies and governmental 
institutes.


OpenOffice give you all the functionality that MS Office has, but it 
could take time to

learn to work with Styles.

If you need 100% compatibility or if you need to work on documents with 
partners

who use MS Office stick with MS Office.

The real question is:  Can you achieve your goals with OpenOffice and that's
something only you can answer.

On 15-7-2014 15:16, Senior.System Analyst wrote:

Dear Sir/Madam,
Kindly provide us your comments for the following at the earliest.
(a) Formatting (color size, shapes, etc.) may change once MS word document is 
opened in Open Office.
(b) Sometimes behaviour of open office is uncertain when using Smart Art & Word 
Art styles (of MS Power point, excel).
(c) Animation of MS Powerpoint slides does not always work as desired in Open 
Office.
(d) Although macros are supported in Open Office but the Macros created using 
MS Office cannot be executed in Open Office.
(e) Some of the features that are easily available in MS Office could not be 
found in Open office such as;-
  (i) Spelling / Grammer check
  (ii) View files side by side with Synchronous scrolling
  (iii) Converting the impress document into PDF results in the printing of all 
hidden slides too. But in MS Office, the hidden slides are not printed even 
when it is converted into PDF.

An early reply will highly be appreciated.

Regards,

J. Balachandran,
DSP, CBI, System Division,

New Delhi

011-24365140
9650094172
cc: Mr. Vikram, k/p 18.04.2014





Re: Open Office vs MS Office

2014-07-15 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Is a good reason to drop MS Office once and for all and migrate to OpenOffice.


On 7/15/14, Johnny Rosenberg  wrote:
> 2014-07-15 7:16 GMT+02:00 Senior.System Analyst :
>
>> Dear Sir/Madam,
>> Kindly provide us your comments for the following at the earliest.
>> (a) Formatting (color size, shapes, etc.) may change once MS word
>> document
>> is opened in Open Office.
>> (b) Sometimes behaviour of open office is uncertain when using Smart Art
>> &
>> Word Art styles (of MS Power point, excel).
>> (c) Animation of MS Powerpoint slides does not always work as desired in
>> Open Office.
>> (d) Although macros are supported in Open Office but the Macros created
>> using MS Office cannot be executed in Open Office.
>> (e) Some of the features that are easily available in MS Office could not
>> be found in Open office such as;-
>>  (i) Spelling / Grammer check
>>  (ii) View files side by side with Synchronous scrolling
>>  (iii) Converting the impress document into PDF results in the printing
>> of
>> all hidden slides too. But in MS Office, the hidden slides are not
>> printed
>> even when it is converted into PDF.
>>
>> An early reply will highly be appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> J. Balachandran,
>> DSP, CBI, System Division,
>>
>> New Delhi
>>
>> 011-24365140
>> 9650094172
>> cc: Mr. Vikram, k/p 18.04.2014
>>
>
> So obviously you will want to use MS Office. What's stopping you?
>
>
> J.R.
>


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Re: Open Office vs MS Office

2014-07-15 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2014-07-15 7:16 GMT+02:00 Senior.System Analyst :

> Dear Sir/Madam,
> Kindly provide us your comments for the following at the earliest.
> (a) Formatting (color size, shapes, etc.) may change once MS word document
> is opened in Open Office.
> (b) Sometimes behaviour of open office is uncertain when using Smart Art &
> Word Art styles (of MS Power point, excel).
> (c) Animation of MS Powerpoint slides does not always work as desired in
> Open Office.
> (d) Although macros are supported in Open Office but the Macros created
> using MS Office cannot be executed in Open Office.
> (e) Some of the features that are easily available in MS Office could not
> be found in Open office such as;-
>  (i) Spelling / Grammer check
>  (ii) View files side by side with Synchronous scrolling
>  (iii) Converting the impress document into PDF results in the printing of
> all hidden slides too. But in MS Office, the hidden slides are not printed
> even when it is converted into PDF.
>
> An early reply will highly be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> J. Balachandran,
> DSP, CBI, System Division,
>
> New Delhi
>
> 011-24365140
> 9650094172
> cc: Mr. Vikram, k/p 18.04.2014
>

So obviously you will want to use MS Office. What's stopping you?


J.R.