Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 11:09:55PM -0500, Think wrote: I seldom reply to trolls but I'll make an exception in this case. I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or twice ventured into the writing and reading space of this list. Once, someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage. True. I was like wow, dude. I thought the listserv was for talking about the product. Again true. Get it? Since then, I have been watching and reading. Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other. I am an advocate for disabled people. I yell at people for a living (I don't get paid for it so I have to use the .) And even I refuse to stoop so low as to denigrate someone for being frustrated or for having newbie problems. I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002. I owned a brand development firm. I ran five businesses. My largest project management job was a 14million$ project in my early 30's. I am currently relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website, because I was doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and our back end coder. My God you're wonderful. Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will be licensed wholly under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to specify one all purpose software package for the project, and for every organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai will help to make libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next, with police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded organizations following. But after watching you guys take pot shots at each other and work from an I don't have to be nice to anyone paradigm, I am about to throw in the towel on OO or alternatively to warn elai Project participants to stay away from the listserv. Be nice. Grow up. Get outside of yourselves and help each other. Focus on where you connect and not where you disagree. And posters: don’t assume that everyone is here to help you. They have their own lives and their own jobs and their own families and priorities. Be polite. Don't be a bull in a china shop. In case you haven't already learned it, attitudes are learned early in life. You aren't going to change them by lecturing on this (or any other) list. Save your figurative breath and your time. If it's too much for you to bear, well.don't let the door hit you on your way out. And if more experienced users set a good example, it's more likely the newbies will follow suit. Likely this list needs a moderator. Does it have one? I am not stepping up for the job, but someone with a sense of Zen and no fear of confrontation should. If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either. Threats can get you kicked off the list if you continue. Please stop treating each other like garbage. For none of you is garbage. Each of you just comes from your own singular perspective, some of you are frustrated, some of you don't understand how this works and some of you need some perspective. Perspective, best served up warm. Sure thing, Mom. P.S. It appears that you're unfamiliar with the protocol of posting to a mail list re: over quoting. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
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RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Moderators: This poster should be banned temporarily for being disrespectful. As we know, this wasn't an answer, this was sarcasm. Even if the original poster wasn't polite, the response should always be polite. Brenda Hart Neihouse -Original Message- From: Robert Holtzman [mailto:hol...@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:34 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 08:16:10PM -0800, Carmen Putrino wrote: Why am I getting this email? Because you're subscribed to this list. snip -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Troll, per Wikipedia: In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6] Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation I believe the topic had something to do with people commenting how people were treating each other on this listserv. So I was on topic. I was calling on people in the group to act in a coordinated manner to ensure that the dripping sarcasm, bullying and abuse stopped on this listserv. Trolls work to sew discord, not to protect other people. I was not looking to provoke an emotional response, I was looking to urge the listserv members and the moderators to reassess what was happening on this listserv and to behave appropriately. I think I succeeded in this area. I actually think the moderators should be replaced. That is not a threat, that is merely my opinion. If this much nastiness is being tolerated by the moderators and people are not getting banned for this behavior, the moderators are failing and should be replaced. As to mailing lists. I sit on a mailing list of over 1100 users at a major university, most of them work at the university. I am well aware of proper etiquette regarding listservs. Additionally I utilized listservs and BBS' before most people had an internet connection, and I op'd on IRC on dal.net on a channel with hundreds of thousands of users. I work in policy and law. Every. Day. I believe in obeying the same rules that I ask others to obey. And again, we have the concept of ad hominem. Attacking me voids your argument. This is not about me. This is about the behavior of those who post on this listserv. And yes, I believe in spreading wonderful. I gave up my entire weekend to help a Chinese scholar at my university who didn't speak English get her power back on -- her brother did not pay the bill from China and she has a seven year old. I put aside my work the entire weekend, despite being under deadline, and also part of yesterday to do so. I am not a hero, I am just a neighbor. What did you do with your weekend Mr. Holtzman? After all if you are going to attack me publicly, we might as well get to know each other. (And what I just stated was on topic as no one has seen fit to publicly dress down Mr. Holtzman for this topic turn, so I will follow it.) Brenda Hart Neihouse PS: an interesting quote I ran across tonight: Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche -Original Message- From: Robert Holtzman [mailto:hol...@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:32 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 11:09:55PM -0500, Think wrote: I seldom reply to trolls but I'll make an exception in this case. I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or twice ventured into the writing and reading space of this list. Once, someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage. True. I was like wow, dude. I thought the listserv was for talking about the product. Again true. Get it? Since then, I have been watching and reading. Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other. I am an advocate for disabled people. I yell at people for a living (I don't get paid for it so I have to use the .) And even I refuse to stoop so low as to denigrate someone for being frustrated or for having newbie problems. I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002. I owned a brand development firm. I ran five businesses. My largest project management job was a 14million$ project in my early 30's. I am currently relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website, because I was doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and our back end coder. My God you're wonderful. Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will be licensed wholly under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to specify one all purpose software package for the project, and for every organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai will help to make libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next, with police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded organizations following. But after watching you guys take pot shots at each
RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
I think we ruled out the troll possibility with the user at issue. Nothing like the smell of napalm in the evening. I also believe that this user, below, should be banned for attacking another user on this listersv. Brenda Hart Neihouse -Original Message- From: TN Patriot [mailto:irgu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:19 AM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 23:09:55 -0500 Think thinkta...@gmail.com wrote: Once, someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage. They were right. Also, I'm a 'disabled' person and I wouldn't and don't *ever* want you yelling at anyone for me. I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer was. Brenda Hart Neihouse You're also apparently too stupid to realize that the OP is a troll and this is his second attempt in two days to stir FUD with absolutely nothing to back up what he's whining about (that's why he has to keep using imho's so often, hint, hint) It's also neat to know you're a mind reader and know you're older than most of us on here. Again your use of a straw man argument is nothing but lame. Your attempt to tell everyone how great you are and how the planet should admire all you've done - whether real or imagined and mostly for/about yourself only - will only rile up us peons you love to denigrate (your word) yourself, because no one likes a pompous hypocrite ass *telling* us how much smarter and better they are when they're too stupid to see a group of people *DO* help when an actual post *ASKING* for it comes up...*NOT* when an imbecile of a troll comes on here only to try and put down an application he's not backing up with any instances of his so-called claims. -- http://www.lawcollective.org/ Learn your rights through cartoons! http://www.roadblock.org/rights/ Know your rights about and at roadblocks! http://fija.org/ Learn about Jury Nullification! Take back your rights from the over-reaching: police, justice system and government! Why does the government want to ban semi-auto weapons? Because you won’t get in the box car willingly. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014, Think wrote: And again, we have the concept of ad hominem. Attacking me voids your argument. This is not about me. This is about the behavior of those who post on this listserv. minor correction: attacking a person does not void an argument. suppose I say, p implies q, q implies r, therefore p implies r, you fool! the argument is valid (not 'void') but I have also attacked a person. an 'ad hominem argument' is the fallacy of attempting to invalidate a position because of some feature of the person holding the argument, ah, you only say that because you're a republican! is an ad hominem fallacy. impoliteness does not 'void' arguments. F. -- Felmon Davis I've enjoyed just about as much of this as I can stand. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Greetings All, Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), then you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, get an entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are instances of differing, , consequently, inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code in another area. I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them move on (as embodied in the posting: I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something else?), throw up their hands say that such inherent problems are just a fact of life--so live w/ them, or, simply, verbally abuse belittle the OOo users who point them out to this community? Best wishes, Anthony J. Rudgers Orlando, FL U.S.A. -Original Message- From: Arthur Schwarz Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets Win7 cygwin I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it using my cygwin alias alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/scalc.exe' it (basically) says what's that but when I use open office directly and use Recent Documents it seems to have no problem. is my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine. Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't recognize the file. It comes up with no such directory or file. But when I go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand, using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe. Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer. I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet. Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above. Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers anthonyrudg...@att.net wrote: Greetings All, Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), then you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, get an entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are instances of differing, , consequently, inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code in another area. I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them move on (as embodied in the posting: I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something else?), throw up their hands say that such inherent problems are just a fact of life--so live w/ them, or, simply, verbally abuse belittle the OOo users who point them out to this community? So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice issue? Regards, -Rob Best wishes, Anthony J. Rudgers Orlando, FL U.S.A. -Original Message- From: Arthur Schwarz Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets Win7 cygwin I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it using my cygwin alias alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/scalc.exe' it (basically) says what's that but when I use open office directly and use Recent Documents it seems to have no problem. is my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine. Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't recognize the file. It comes up with no such directory or file. But when I go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand, using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe. Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer. I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet. Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above. Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
On Monday 06 January 2014 18:28:15 you wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers anthonyrudg...@att.net wrote: Greetings All, Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), then you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, get an entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are instances of differing, , consequently, inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code in another area. I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them move on (as embodied in the posting: I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something else?), throw up their hands say that such inherent problems are just a fact of life--so live w/ them, or, simply, verbally abuse belittle the OOo users who point them out to this community? So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice issue? Regards, -Rob Rob, just a reminder, these type of comments are best left alone. It is to hard to determine if they are just trolls disrupting legitimate users time and resources or merely clueless users frustrated by their lack of knowledge. Either way..ignore..imho I thank you for your contributiions to AOO. I have been using OpenOffice for quite some time without issues.. ( not helpfull to those with issues..I lnow)...or only one.. when Libreoffice became the default for Linux, not LO bashing, just AOO works better here. -- Peace, Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Why am I getting this email? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers anthonyrudg...@att.net wrote: Greetings All, Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), then you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, get an entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are instances of differing, , consequently, inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code in another area. I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them move on (as embodied in the posting: I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something else?), throw up their hands say that such inherent problems are just a fact of life--so live w/ them, or, simply, verbally abuse belittle the OOo users who point them out to this community? So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice issue? Regards, -Rob Best wishes, Anthony J. Rudgers Orlando, FL U.S.A. -Original Message- From: Arthur Schwarz Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets Win7 cygwin I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it using my cygwin alias alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/scalc.exe' it (basically) says what's that but when I use open office directly and use Recent Documents it seems to have no problem. is my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine. Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't recognize the file. It comes up with no such directory or file. But when I go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand, using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe. Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer. I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet. Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above. Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
This is an embarrassment for me. I checked and checked and found out that I had copied the same directory in two places and had one shell in one folder and another in another. And so, being the Great And Wonderful (smart and clever also) person that I am, I exported my pdf file into one folder and looked for it in another. At least that's my current story and I'm sticking with it (until tomorrow). But in a soft way I do think your points are valid. I have had problems with the swriter software and lists. Then again, I contribute nothing to a volunteer effort. I am a passive beneficiary of excellent software that has a few bugs. I also have Microsoft software. In 2000 I tried to report a bug (very hard when dealing with Microsoft). In 2008(?) software, the bug is still there (in lists, by the way). I expect that in 2050 software the bug will still remain in Microsoft but in Open Office the bugs I see today will probably be gone. And so, although OOo is not perfect, they are better than Microsoft dreams of in their better days, and the OOo team seems to want to better the product. art -Original Message- From: Anthony J. Rudgers [mailto:anthonyrudg...@att.net] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:07 PM To: Arthur Schwarz; users@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Anthony Rudgers Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary Greetings All, Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), then you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, get an entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are instances of differing, , consequently, inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code in another area. I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them move on (as embodied in the posting: I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something else?), throw up their hands say that such inherent problems are just a fact of life--so live w/ them, or, simply, verbally abuse belittle the OOo users who point them out to this community? Best wishes, Anthony J. Rudgers Orlando, FL U.S.A. -Original Message- From: Arthur Schwarz Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets Win7 cygwin I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it using my cygwin alias alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/scalc.exe' it (basically) says what's that but when I use open office directly and use Recent Documents it seems to have no problem. is my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine. Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't recognize the file. It comes up with no such directory or file. But when I go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand, using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe. Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer. I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet. Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above. Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
I want to ensure clarification of my oped: I never said I was holier than thou. I said, play nice kids. The world is watching. Snarks not needed. And, fyi, you weren't diagnosing or helping anyone with the comments you were making. If you were, I wouldn’t have penned my missive. Want to go after me, please do. Instead you might wish to behave yourself. Brenda Hart Neihouse -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:35 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary Does anyone else care to post a holier than thou note, or we done for the night? Anyone? Let's get it all out. Then those who remain can get back to actually helping users diagnose their problems rather than pontificate about software quality or list etiquette. -Rob On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Think thinkta...@gmail.com wrote: I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or twice ventured into the writing and reading space of this list. Once, someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage. I was like wow, dude. I thought the listserv was for talking about the product. Since then, I have been watching and reading. Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other. I am an advocate for disabled people. I yell at people for a living (I don't get paid for it so I have to use the .) And even I refuse to stoop so low as to denigrate someone for being frustrated or for having newbie problems. I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002. I owned a brand development firm. I ran five businesses. My largest project management job was a 14million$ project in my early 30's. I am currently relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website, because I was doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and our back end coder. Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will be licensed wholly under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to specify one all purpose software package for the project, and for every organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai will help to make libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next, with police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded organizations following. But after watching you guys take pot shots at each other and work from an I don't have to be nice to anyone paradigm, I am about to throw in the towel on OO or alternatively to warn elai Project participants to stay away from the listserv. Be nice. Grow up. Get outside of yourselves and help each other. Focus on where you connect and not where you disagree. And posters: don’t assume that everyone is here to help you. They have their own lives and their own jobs and their own families and priorities. Be polite. Don't be a bull in a china shop. And if more experienced users set a good example, it's more likely the newbies will follow suit. Likely this list needs a moderator. Does it have one? I am not stepping up for the job, but someone with a sense of Zen and no fear of confrontation should. If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either. Please stop treating each other like garbage. For none of you is garbage. Each of you just comes from your own singular perspective, some of you are frustrated, some of you don't understand how this works and some of you need some perspective. Perspective, best served up warm. Brenda Hart Neihouse -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:28 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers anthonyrudg...@att.net wrote: Greetings All, Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), then you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, get an entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are instances of differing, , consequently, inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code in another area. I submit this query. Do proponents
RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Who is the moderator of this list? Thanks. Brenda Hart Neihouse -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:46 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary On Jan 6, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net wrote: On Monday 06 January 2014 18:28:15 you wrote: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers anthonyrudg...@att.net wrote: Greetings All, Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), then you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, get an entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are instances of differing, , consequently, inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code in another area. I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them move on (as embodied in the posting: I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something else?), throw up their hands say that such inherent problems are just a fact of life--so live w/ them, or, simply, verbally abuse belittle the OOo users who point them out to this community? So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice issue? Regards, -Rob Rob, just a reminder, these type of comments are best left alone. It is to hard to determine if they are just trolls disrupting legitimate users time and resources or merely clueless users frustrated by their lack of knowledge. Either way..ignore..imho I'm merely pointing the constructive ways to deal with user problems. Our productive choices are: 1. Answer questions about functionality 2. Confirm known problems and offer workarounds 3. Help troubleshoot new issues 4. Once issues are confirmed entering them into Bugzilla 5. Fixing issues At no time is complaining a productive use of this list, especially for a new issue, just reported, when it is not clear it is even an OpenOffice issue. So let's get back to the the intended purpose of the list, which is to support users of OpenOffice. As users have made clear, they are frustrated when this list is used as a general discussion/gripe list. -Rob I thank you for your contributiions to AOO. I have been using OpenOffice for quite some time without issues.. ( not helpfull to those with issues..I lnow)...or only one.. when Libreoffice became the default for Linux, not LO bashing, just AOO works better here. -- Peace, Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Arthur Schwarz aschwarz1...@att.net wrote: This is an embarrassment for me. I checked and checked and found out that I had copied the same directory in two places and had one shell in one folder and another in another. And so, being the Great And Wonderful (smart and clever also) person that I am, I exported my pdf file into one folder and looked for it in another. At least that's my current story and I'm sticking with it (until tomorrow). Doh! I'm glad, though, it worked out. One less bug to fix. Regards, Rob But in a soft way I do think your points are valid. I have had problems with the swriter software and lists. Then again, I contribute nothing to a volunteer effort. I am a passive beneficiary of excellent software that has a few bugs. I also have Microsoft software. In 2000 I tried to report a bug (very hard when dealing with Microsoft). In 2008(?) software, the bug is still there (in lists, by the way). I expect that in 2050 software the bug will still remain in Microsoft but in Open Office the bugs I see today will probably be gone. And so, although OOo is not perfect, they are better than Microsoft dreams of in their better days, and the OOo team seems to want to better the product. art -Original Message- From: Anthony J. Rudgers [mailto:anthonyrudg...@att.net] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:07 PM To: Arthur Schwarz; users@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Anthony Rudgers Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary Greetings All, Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), then you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, get an entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are instances of differing, , consequently, inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code in another area. I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them move on (as embodied in the posting: I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something else?), throw up their hands say that such inherent problems are just a fact of life--so live w/ them, or, simply, verbally abuse belittle the OOo users who point them out to this community? Best wishes, Anthony J. Rudgers Orlando, FL U.S.A. -Original Message- From: Arthur Schwarz Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets Win7 cygwin I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it using my cygwin alias alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/scalc.exe' it (basically) says what's that but when I use open office directly and use Recent Documents it seems to have no problem. is my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine. Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't recognize the file. It comes up with no such directory or file. But when I go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand, using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe. Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer. I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet. Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above. Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 23:09:55 -0500 Think thinkta...@gmail.com wrote: Once, someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage. They were right. Also, I'm a 'disabled' person and I wouldn't and don't *ever* want you yelling at anyone for me. I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer was. Brenda Hart Neihouse You're also apparently too stupid to realize that the OP is a troll and this is his second attempt in two days to stir FUD with absolutely nothing to back up what he's whining about (that's why he has to keep using imho's so often, hint, hint) It's also neat to know you're a mind reader and know you're older than most of us on here. Again your use of a straw man argument is nothing but lame. Your attempt to tell everyone how great you are and how the planet should admire all you've done - whether real or imagined and mostly for/about yourself only - will only rile up us peons you love to denigrate (your word) yourself, because no one likes a pompous hypocrite ass *telling* us how much smarter and better they are when they're too stupid to see a group of people *DO* help when an actual post *ASKING* for it comes up...*NOT* when an imbecile of a troll comes on here only to try and put down an application he's not backing up with any instances of his so-called claims. -- http://www.lawcollective.org/ Learn your rights through cartoons! http://www.roadblock.org/rights/ Know your rights about and at roadblocks! http://fija.org/ Learn about Jury Nullification! Take back your rights from the over-reaching: police, justice system and government! Why does the government want to ban semi-auto weapons? Because you won’t get in the box car willingly. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
