Re: My file is gone - did you not backup?
If you have set up TimeMachine to backup automatically you should be able to recover your file from there, TM should have copies up to about an hour before you lost the file, or perhaps the day or week before if you have left it a while to recover it. Ref. Mac Help to find out how to recover documents. Note that you do NOT need to do a full restore from your TM backup unless you have lost all of the data on your computer, in fact you will NOT want to restore to an earlier status, I think you would probably lose your later work if you did that, a full restore is only to recover from total disaster, you can recover individual files from your TM backup by entering TM and scrolling back to the last date on which your lost file was saved and (if I remember correctly from the last time I did this) opening the window and copying or dragging the file to the desktop (but please don’t rely on my memory, check the Help files). If you are a student you absolutely cannot afford to take the risk of not properly backing up your work, or even your notes, so if you don’t have a Time Machine backup, you should set one up in case of future loss of data, it provides an automatic ongoing backup, provided you have set it up to do so, and if you are using TM and you inadvertently delete a file you can immediately recover it from TM and lose no more than an hour’s work. I haven’t needed to do that for several months, but you only need to do it once to realise the value of TM. If you are using a large enough HD or SSD for your Time Machine backups they can go back years, my current one goes back to July 2021 and it still has enough space available for at least another year or two. I am currently using a small (75 x 55 x 8 mm) 1TB USB SSD that I take with me whenever I go out for any length of time, in case of mishap to the house and computer while I am away, the insurance should pay for a replacement computer but it can’t replace lost data. Ref. Mac Help to find out how to set up TM. I also do manual backups to an external HD every so often and keep that backup HD in a small fireproof safe (it is not practical for me to keep it off site). The extra manual backup provides an emergency backup in case something goes wrong with both your computer and the Time machine drive, or they get stolen or burnt in a fire or whatever. I have only one manual backup HD, but I keep the two or three most recent manual backups on it, deleting the oldest when I need space for a new one. If I was still studying I would probably do a manual backup once a week or perhaps even more frequently, v/s only ‘as required' now, depending on the importance of work done since the last manual backup. If my work was crucial enough I would alternate two backup drives to avoid the risk of losing all backups if the only backup drive fails, but currently my two backups are the TM drive and the manual one. In a small business you should backup all essential data daily, rotating two HDs or SSDs, never overwrite your last backup, only the second-last. Ideally the most recent daily backup drives should be stored off site, or at least in a fireproof safe. You should also have a weekly backup, stored off site, e.g. in a Bank safety deposit box, also rotating two drives. A small business can go broke after a fire, or even a theft, because of lost customer account data, i.e. unpaid accounts, but the weekly off-site backup ensures that you won't lose more than a few days records and should be able to survive a minor disaster. These are minimums, by the way, some businesses might require a stronger backup regime. I am surprised to be writing about backups now, actually, but this is the second query I have seen recently that seems to be suggesting the user has not been backing up properly, so I hope this overview reminds users how important backing up is. MacUsers have no excuse for not at least backing up with TM, I didn’t trust it when it was first released, I was used to doing manual backups and wasn’t sure I could trust an automated backup system, but TM works well, excellently in fact, it is much better than the automatic backup system in Linux, in which I could not work out how to restore an individual file, and it is very much better than the automatic backup system in Windows, which is non-existent according to my daughter, a Windows user for several years, though I admit I found that difficult to believe in this day and age, so maybe the Windows auto-backup system is just more difficult to find and use than Time Machine on the Mac. (If I was a Windows user and Windows really doesn’t have an equivalent of Time Machine I would be looking for an app from a 3rd party developer.) Every Mac user should be using Time Machine, even if you have no other backups, but I would want at least two backups, either two TM backups (TM can alternate backups between two backup drives) or TM plus a manual backup as I am doing
Re: Backup
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020, Brian Barker wrote: At 16:43 02/12/2020 +0100, Felmon Davis wrote: On 02/12/2020 00:42, Kirill Noname wrote: JUST MAKE BACKUPS ENABLE BY DEFAULT! [...] and Kirill, you can set it as a default by going to Tools -> Options -> Load/Save -> General; you'll see some options under 'Save'. I do 'Save AutoRecovery' every 15 minutes. It's perhaps worth distinguishing two things here: quite right. o The AutoRecovery information controlled by that option is used only if the editing session is terminated abnormally - as for a power outage or system crash - without current changes having been saved. In that case, an offer to attempt to recover the previous editing session is made next time OpenOffice is started. In normal working, this leaves no trace after changes to the document have been saved or discarded, i.e. no back-up copy. o Additionally, you will see "Always create a backup copy" in the same group of options. Ticking this ensures that every time you save a document, the previous version is saved in the folder indicated by the Backups path. The use case of this is when you might decide, after saving changes to a document, that you reconsider your changes and wish to abandon them and return to your previous version. (And neither of these are a replacement for a proper back-up regime, of course.) very true; I wasn't thinking clearly about 'back-up'. Auto-Recovery has been enough for my purposes. sorry to confuse the issue though. f. -- Felmon Davis Verbum sat sapienti. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Backup
At 16:43 02/12/2020 +0100, Felmon Davis wrote: On 02/12/2020 00:42, Kirill Noname wrote: JUST MAKE BACKUPS ENABLE BY DEFAULT! [...] and Kirill, you can set it as a default by going to Tools -> Options -> Load/Save -> General; you'll see some options under 'Save'. I do 'Save AutoRecovery' every 15 minutes. It's perhaps worth distinguishing two things here: o The AutoRecovery information controlled by that option is used only if the editing session is terminated abnormally - as for a power outage or system crash - without current changes having been saved. In that case, an offer to attempt to recover the previous editing session is made next time OpenOffice is started. In normal working, this leaves no trace after changes to the document have been saved or discarded, i.e. no back-up copy. o Additionally, you will see "Always create a backup copy" in the same group of options. Ticking this ensures that every time you save a document, the previous version is saved in the folder indicated by the Backups path. The use case of this is when you might decide, after saving changes to a document, that you reconsider your changes and wish to abandon them and return to your previous version. (And neither of these are a replacement for a proper back-up regime, of course.) Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Backup
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020, Martin Groenescheij wrote: On 02/12/2020 00:42, Кирилл wrote: JUST MAKE BACKUPS ENABLE BY DEFAULT!! Why do you sent this to users who haven't any authority on the development process? And don't SCREAM it doesn't solve your problem. absolutely right. and Kirill, you can set it as a default by going to Tools -> Options -> Load/Save -> General; you'll see some options under 'Save'. I do 'Save AutoRecovery' every 15 minutes. oops! maybe screaming did solve your problem! fjd -- Felmon Davis Verbum sat sapienti. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Backup
On 02/12/2020 00:42, Кирилл wrote: JUST MAKE BACKUPS ENABLE BY DEFAULT!! Why do you sent this to users who haven't any authority on the development process? And don't SCREAM it doesn't solve your problem. Отправлено с iPhone - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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RE: Re: no backup
Thanks Hagar, Also, for users on Windows 10, there is a built-in backup service that timestamps the backed-up files, so you can have a series of previous versions of a file and should be able to find a good one in that history if there has been a subsequent mishap. The backups can be directed to an attached USB Drive, providing recovery of documents in the case of catastrophic PC or primary disk failure also. The backup does not require attention once setup or, if for some reason, the backup becomes full. It also doesn't appear to interfere with ongoing computer usage at all. > -Original Message- > From: Hagar Delest [mailto:hagar.del...@laposte.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:10 > To: users@openoffice.apache.org > Cc: Ron Patterson <a.b...@mindspring.com> > Subject: Re: Re: no backup > > Hi, > > I think that there were extensions to make backups. Still to be launched > manually IIRC but it would add a time stamp so that you keep the > history. > > Beware, OP not subscribed to the list. > > Hagar > > > Le 27/03/2016 à 03:38, Girvin R. Herr a écrit : > > > > > > On 03/26/2016 10:00 AM, Ron Patterson wrote: > >> Open Office 4.1.2 - spreadsheets - hard to make backups. I checked > the backup box in tools\options\load-save\general\always create backup - > >> > >> However the only way I can create a backup is similar to MS Word. I > have to save the srpeadsheet. Make a minor change (like at a dot at the > bottom) are resave and now i can find the backup under > appdata\4\user\roaming\backup. > >> > >> Is this the only way to force a backup copy? > >> > > Ron, > > Yes, to my knowledge a backup file is created when the document is > saved. There is also the auto-recovery system which periodically saves > the document data so it could be restored in case AOO crashes without > saving the document. These are the only two backup systems that I know > of in AOO. Someone else may elaborate on that. > > hth > > Girvin Herr > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Re: no backup
Hi, I think that there were extensions to make backups. Still to be launched manually IIRC but it would add a time stamp so that you keep the history. Beware, OP not subscribed to the list. Hagar Le 27/03/2016 à 03:38, Girvin R. Herr a écrit : On 03/26/2016 10:00 AM, Ron Patterson wrote: Open Office 4.1.2 - spreadsheets - hard to make backups. I checked the backup box in tools\options\load-save\general\always create backup - However the only way I can create a backup is similar to MS Word. I have to save the srpeadsheet. Make a minor change (like at a dot at the bottom) are resave and now i can find the backup under appdata\4\user\roaming\backup. Is this the only way to force a backup copy? Ron, Yes, to my knowledge a backup file is created when the document is saved. There is also the auto-recovery system which periodically saves the document data so it could be restored in case AOO crashes without saving the document. These are the only two backup systems that I know of in AOO. Someone else may elaborate on that. hth Girvin Herr - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: no backup
On 03/26/2016 10:00 AM, Ron Patterson wrote: Open Office 4.1.2 - spreadsheets - hard to make backups. I checked the backup box in tools\options\load-save\general\always create backup - However the only way I can create a backup is similar to MS Word. I have to save the srpeadsheet. Make a minor change (like at a dot at the bottom) are resave and now i can find the backup under appdata\4\user\roaming\backup. Is this the only way to force a backup copy? Ron, Yes, to my knowledge a backup file is created when the document is saved. There is also the auto-recovery system which periodically saves the document data so it could be restored in case AOO crashes without saving the document. These are the only two backup systems that I know of in AOO. Someone else may elaborate on that. hth Girvin Herr - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
no backup
Open Office 4.1.2 - spreadsheets - hard to make backups. I checked the backup box in tools\options\load-save\general\always create backup - However the only way I can create a backup is similar to MS Word. I have to save the srpeadsheet. Make a minor change (like at a dot at the bottom) are resave and now i can find the backup under appdata\4\user\roaming\backup. Is this the only way to force a backup copy?
