Re: [users] Re: Some characters invisible with OpenOffice.org 3.2 RC1. Bug?
Okay, that was a lot of text… ;D 2010/1/2 John Jason Jordan johnjas...@gmail.com: On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:34:03 +0100 Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com dijo: I don't know what operating system you are running, but in mine, Ubuntu 8.10, the character map (gucharmap) is installed by default. If you have it, just copy the character, switch to the character map, press Ctrl+f (find) and paste it there. Then hit the find button (or is it Search?), the character will be found and there is the character code. Just a word of warning about gucharmap. It displays the glyphs in the regular version of the font, but when you click on Italic, Bold, or Bold-Italic it does not go out and load the respective fonts. All it does is fake the attribute based on the regular version of the font. Thus, it may lead you to believe that a glyph is in the italic, bold or bold-italic versions of a font when the glyph is actually not there at all. I've been badly bitten by this in the past, therefore I never use gucharmap. In case you don't have it, here they are (all the musical symbols are located at U+1D100 – U+1D1FF): 턞 → U+1D11E 턆 → U+1D106 턇 → U+1D107 ♯ → U+266F ♭ → U+266D 턁 → U+1D101 턎 → U+1D10E 턂 → U+1D102 Obviously ♭ and ♯ are not among the musical symbols, and it was stupid of me to bring them up in my example, since they are not among those characters that disappear when switching to Bold. OK, looking in FontForge none of the glyphs are in any of the FreeSans fonts, not even the sharp and flat. In fact, I checked several other fonts that I have installed and didn't find any with those glyphs (although quite a number had the sharp and flat). I would suggest that you might have more reliable output from OOo if you actually set the musical characters with the font that OOo is stealing them from (Euterpe, or whatever it turns out to be). Well… then there is another problem in this particular case. The spreadsheet I am working on is for creating a personal keyboard layout. ON one sheet I enter what characters I want on what key (4 different characters for each key, for example p=p, Shift+p=P, AltGr+p=π and Shift+AltGr+p=℗). The user just enter characters on that sheet, and another sheet konverts to the U+hex form and a third sheet converts from U+hex form to ”description form”, you know words like ”apostroph”, ”dead_macron” and so on, if they exists. The thing is not finished yet, but my idea is that a macro should create a keyboard variant adding lines to /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/the file of your choice, in my case ”se”, /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst and /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev..xml (or actually first copy them to a local place and then add to the copy and then crate a script that the user can run for installing the new keyboard layout). So this needs to be easy to work with, like just entering characters to a spreadsheet and then pressing a button starting a macro and finally running the script for installation. I think that is advanced enough for most users… Maybe I can let the macro run the script too, I don't know yet if that's possible and safe and how to handle the user's password… OOo has the marvelous ability to record macros, Actually the macro recorder sucks, so I never use it, but please go on… ;D which can be assigned to keystrokes. So just turn on the macro recorder, insert the glyph (via its Unicode value), set it to the correct font, and save the macro. Assign the macro to a special keystroke (like Ctrl+Shift+something). Whenever you want that character just use the special keystroke. It will be faster and more reliable. But I would need thousands of macros then, wouldn't I? I don't know which characters other users will want to use for their keyboard layouts… I actually think it's a good thing that missing characters are substituted. I think the best thing was if every character was included in every font, but I realise that it probably isn't realistic. So it's great not having to have more than one font selected in a text, even if there are a few extra symbols that are not in the currently selected font. Some times when I look for new exiting fonts I get very disappointed since only a few characters are included. I write most stuff in Swedish (which is my main language) and as far as I have seen, characters necessary for writing in Swedish (åäöÅÄÖ) are missing pretty often. Now, it doesn't help much to substitute them with the same character form a different font, because they won't look right anyway, but in some cases it will work to substitute missing characters, for example those musical characters; it doesn't matter if I ise FreeMono, FreeSans or FreeSerif, a g-clef will look the same anyway. I understand that most users like the automatic glyph substitution. It's probably OK for the typical user. But I do a lot of desktop publishing. Substituting glyphs from another font is a serious no-no. Yes, but I am probably more like ”most users” than a
Re: [users] [moderated] - lost document
On Dec 28, 2009, at 21:45 , Marianne Schweizer wrote: on December 22nd, I created a document with OpenOffice.org, the only system which worked without Internet connexion that very day. When I had to shut my PC in order to take it to the specialist, I think the document disapeared into a file I do not find anymore. How can I find it again. I tryed different methodes but without success. Thank you for giving me some ideas how to proceed, and thank your for your help. Hello Marianne: I can think of two possible scenarios here - others might be able to think of more. You don't tell us what operating system your computer uses, but the reference to a PC indicates that it is probably running Windows. You might also tell us which methods you have tried. The first scenario is that you remember the name of the file you created when you saved it. In this case you should be able to find it by searching your hard disk for the name of the file or a representative bit of it. On Windows you can do this from the 'This Computer' icon - I believe it has changed its name to 'Computer' on later versions of Windows, and moved to the 'Start' menu. Even quicker, the standard place where Open Office saves documents is 'My Documents' or its equivalent on non-Windows computers. Try looking there first. You can search on the document name, or you can arrange the files in order of date/time, and if you know when you were working on the file, this may help. If you find a file that looks like it might be it, right click on it and choose 'Properties' and see if you see a reference to its being a file of type .odx where x will be a 't' if it is a normal document or an 's' if you were working on a spreadsheet. Another possibility in this scenario is to go into 'File/Recent Documents' where you should find your file. The second scenario is that you did not have the chance to save the file before shutting your PC. In this case, your file should be waiting to be recovered when you restart Open Office. When it is recovered you will be able to save it to a location you choose yourself. If it still has not shown up, start Open Office go into Options, which I think is on the Tools menu on Windows and look for an entry called 'Paths'. This tells you where Open Office saves different kinds of files on your computer. Look for the path for 'Backups' and for 'Documents', and see if you can see your document there. Good luck. //James - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
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2009/12/30 eastersealshouse eastersealhouse+forthekids.org Hi I have just downloaded open office and have no clue how to get into it to use it. I have looked in my files and can't seem to find it at all. I said save when it asked me to run or save and after it finished downloading I expected to find and icon on the desktop or a file somewhere but can't find anything. Help Eastersealshouse, do you know the folder to which files are downloaded by default on your machine ? Some download to the desktop (which soon becomes very cluttered), others to a folder called »Downloads« (a more appealing solution). Have you looked there for the installation file, which, if as I presume, you are running a Windows box, is denominated «OOo_3.1.1_Win32Intel_install_en_US.exe» ? If you don't find it, you can always perform a search for it from your Windows «Start menu». When you do find the fille, double-click it to start the installation process (I have forwarded a copy to the OP, as he or she does not seem to be subscribed to the list.) Henri
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2010/1/2 M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com 2009/12/30 eastersealshouse eastersealhouse+forthekids.org Hi I have just downloaded open office and have no clue how to get into it to use it. I have looked in my files and can't seem to find it at all. I said save when it asked me to run or save and after it finished downloading I expected to find and icon on the desktop or a file somewhere but can't find anything. Help Eastersealshouse, do you know the folder to which files are downloaded by default on your machine ? Some download to the desktop (which soon becomes very cluttered), others to a folder called »Downloads« (a more appealing solution). Have you looked there for the installation file, which, if as I presume, you are running a Windows box, is denominated «OOo_3.1.1_Win32Intel_install_en_US.exe» ? If you don't find it, you can always perform a search for it from your Windows «Start menu». When you do find the fille, double-click it to start the installation process (I have forwarded a copy to the OP, as he or she does not seem to be subscribed to the list.) Henri Update : Received a 550 (User unknown) Error message to my attempt to forward a message directly to the OP by replacing the «+» above with an �...@» Henri
Re: [users] Can't open spreadsheet
On 1/1/2010 1:19 PM, dave j wrote: I have been using open office now for a while with no problems. Day in, and day out, I access one spreadsheet, but today, was unable to open it. Any ideas on why this would be? _ Exactly what is the error being returned. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Fout bij installeren
2009/12/28 d.h.beijnes dhbeij...@ziggo.nl L.S. Ik heb OpenOffice 3.1 geínstalleerd, maar er is een fout op getreden en elke keer, Dat ik dit probeer te herstellen, krijg ik de de melding Open Office 3.1 verwijderen En Open Office snelstart verwijderen. Maar ik kan helemaal niets verwijderen. Wat moet ik doen??? m.vr.gr. D.H.Beijnes This is an English language list. If you prefer to discuss your problem in Dutch, please send your e-mail to gebruik...@nl.openoffice.org and/or visit http://nl.openoffice.org/ for information/documentation etc. in your language. If you send an e-mail, please specify which version of which operating system you are using - Windows XP Pro, Ubuntu Karmic, Mac Panther, ... -- Harold Fuchs London, England Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: UNINSTALL
Paul wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Marie McDonald drmariemcdon...@yahoo.comwrote: I have not been able to uninstall this program through the add/remove program section of my control panel. Please send my specific instructions on how to uninstall this program. I do no want to use it...it installed when I opened a form that had to be completed. It is slowing down my computer and I DO NO WANT IT!! Please respond ASAP...this is a pain. The users-owners list is not for user questions - only questions to do with administration of the mailing list itself. In response to your question however - you need to provide more information on what error messages are coming up when you are trying to uninstall through the add/remove environment. Someone will be able to assist if you respond to us...@openoffice.org. /paul There's something very wrong here -- unintentional installation? I *really* doubt that. Marie, what makes you think that OOo is installed? Is there a folder in your start menu, or any icon on your desktop? Assuming you are running Windows, is there a folder for OpenOffice.org in Program Files? If not, OOo was not installed. Even if installed, it could only slow down startup (if its QuickStarter function was active) -- otherwise, it can only occupy space on the hard drive, which should not affect performance unless it contributed to serious disk fragmentation (you should probably run a defrag utility, in any case). If you find an OOo folder in Program Files. the quick and dirty way to uninstall is to delete that folder; this will not clean up any registry entries, so you'd need to run a utility for that (Google is your friend here; try registry cleanup as a search term). Normal installation always makes a true uninstall available through Add/Remove Programs. If you did not find an OOo folder, but did have a file on your desktop (or wherever your downloads ordinarily go), you can simply delete it; it's an installer, not the application itself. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: cannot open Base
Thanks, it seems that I neglected to actually install Base! My memories of it recently working left out a recent distro install! Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Calc: remove ' character before number
2010/1/1 Andreas Saeger saege...@onlinehome.de: Dotan Cohen wrote: any of the issues belong to different projects, most of which I am not the only member of. Although I have no fear of databases, it seems that Excel has many database-like features The database-like features *assume* database-like structures without enforcing them by any means while most users are not aware of any such assumtions. It is completely up to the user if your table is properly normalized with valid, complete and unique items (not to talk aboutreferencial integrity). Many of the items are not unique nor need they be for the task at hand. I could add an ID column, but that is not the problem here. I know that this is not the ideal answer, but it is the reality of the situation. Either Calc or Excel, and I need to say thanks that it is Calc. Well, yes. No professional IT person will ever use a spreadsheet as database. Are you kidding? Professional IT is the laziest profession, by definition (read Larry Wall). Who isn't using Excel to store data when external access and integration is not an issue? There are dozends of practical reasons why countless programs may export results to Excel but never store and organize data in such documents. The vast majority of Excel users wants nothing but _quick results_ and Excel serves them badly. While it is easy to get any results, it can be extremly difficult to get _correct results_ from such document based storages. I have never seen any reasonable argument why spreadsheets should be used like this (except for mere laziness). Don't discard the desire (or need) to reduce one's workload as a valid reason. Base may be the worst database app on the planet, but it is so much better for the simple things that most people desperately try to do in the wrong application, I agree 100% -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] [moderated]
Does open office have a photo handling program like Microsoft office has.
Re: [users] Re: Who do I have to strangle to get OOo to respect locale settings in Linux?
Modify the number format _locale_ only, so you can enter d/m/y dates rather than m/d/y. That formats all Categories and Formats, so I get stuck with the comma as a decimal. Rosh ha-shanna, Thanks! Actually, Rosh ha-shana just means New Year, (Rosh: head ; Ha: the ; Shana: year ; the of' is implied). But I wish a happy, productive, and peaceful year to all list members! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Embossed and engraved font effects in Ubuntu 9.10
Hi, While testing 3.2.0, I found out that embossed and engraved font effects are not shown on the screen. Only a small vague grey area around the font. A print to file does show the correct effect. This is on Ubuntu 9.10. Tested in 3.1.1 on Ubuntu and also there it is not shown. On XP, the effect is correct. Does anyone else notice this? Thanks, Best wishes for a great and happy 2010, Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact - Community Council member - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] [moderated]
eastersealshouse wrote: Hi I have just downloaded open office and have no clue how to get into it to use it. I have looked in my files and can't seem to find it at all. I said save when it asked me to run or save and after it finished downloading I expected to find and icon on the desktop or a file somewhere but can't find anything. Help Normally, you download the file and then double click on it to start the installation process. When you downloaded the file, it was likely saved to your My Documents folder or perhaps your desktop. If you can't find it, start the download again and see where it wants to save the file. That is likely where you'll find the first download. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] [moderated]
What photo handling program does Microsoft Office have? What do you want to do with such a program? John On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:05 AM, John Neale stony.ne...@googlemail.comwrote: Does open office have a photo handling program like Microsoft office has.
Re: [users] [moderated]
2010/1/2 jomali jomali3...@gmail.com: What photo handling program does Microsoft Office have? What do you want to do with such a program? John On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:05 AM, John Neale stony.ne...@googlemail.comwrote: Does open office have a photo handling program like Microsoft office has. No, but there are tons of them out there waiting for you to search for them. Johnny Rosenberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: Embossed and engraved font effects in Ubuntu 9.10
On 01/02/2010 01:31 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi, While testing 3.2.0, I found out that embossed and engraved font effects are not shown on the screen. Only a small vague grey area around the font. A print to file does show the correct effect. This is on Ubuntu 9.10. Tested in 3.1.1 on Ubuntu and also there it is not shown. Works for me using Ubuntu 9.10. Tested w/3.1.1, 3.2.0, and Ubuntu 3.1.1. Also tested with several different fonts 3.2.0 Windows - all look pretty much the same for me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] [moderated]
Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2010/1/2 jomali jomali3...@gmail.com: What photo handling program does Microsoft Office have? What do you want to do with such a program? John On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:05 AM, John Neale stony.ne...@googlemail.comwrote: Does open office have a photo handling program like Microsoft office has. No, but there are tons of them out there waiting for you to search for them. Johnny Rosenberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org To Users: Plus if you have a digital camera, the manufacturer sometimes has a program of its own, designed around that camera! :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] [moderated]
On 1/2/2010 7:11 PM, John Boyle wrote: Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2010/1/2 jomali jomali3...@gmail.com: What photo handling program does Microsoft Office have? What do you want to do with such a program? John On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:05 AM, John Neale stony.ne...@googlemail.comwrote: Does open office have a photo handling program like Microsoft office has. No, but there are tons of them out there waiting for you to search for them. Johnny Rosenberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org To Users: Plus if you have a digital camera, the manufacturer sometimes has a program of its own, designed around that camera! :-) And you can alweays go with something like Paint.NET, Gimp, or Picasa (all of which are excellent choices). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Moderated messages
I know that you can easily filter out the messages from moderated sources through the headers (I have a TB filter that does just that), but would it be possible to append a [moderated] to the subject line of these messages on a list-wide basis. Just a thought. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] [moderated]
On 1/2/2010 9:37 PM, John Meyer wrote: snip And you can alweays go with something like Paint.NET, Gimp, or Picasa (all of which are excellent choices). I would just like to mention, anything with .NET in it probably sucks (to recommend such is an abomination IMO) and Picasa only has basic photo editing features (it's meant as a photo organizer). GIMP is a full featured image editor, so is Photoshop and PaintShopPro (is that even supported anymore, haven't heard about it in a while). -- PIT signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Moderated messages
On 1/2/2010 9:42 PM, John Meyer wrote: I know that you can easily filter out the messages from moderated sources through the headers (I have a TB filter that does just that), but would it be possible to append a [moderated] to the subject line of these messages on a list-wide basis. Just a thought. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org Um, they already do? -- PIT signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[users] Re: Rocketmail
On 1/2/2010 9:58 PM, cjMichael wrote: Hey thanks...aaa it's new to me I meant. Anyways...after setting up the account (@rocketmail.com)it doesn't appear on my Pidgin list or work fine with the yahoo protocol. Maybe you imagined wrong...? cj snip Perhaps, but then I imagine it's not that Pidgin doesn't support it, but that the Yahoo protocol doesn't support the use of your rocketmail domain via messenger. Also, keep all replies on list. -- PIT signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] .~lock..?
Thanks Andy - you did help. Kind regards, James - Original Message - From: RA Brown rabr...@the-martin-byrd.net To: users@openoffice.org Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [users] .~lock..? Hi James. James Elliott wrote: I am writing a novel and, while backing up, I noticed that three of the chapters have a second file by the same name but starting with .~lock. I have worked out that when you are working on a file, this .~lock. version of it appears, presumably to stop two users from editing it at the same time. However, I have just turned my computer on, and there is no reason to have locked files as neither I nor anyone else is actually working on those files. QUESTION 1 Why is this so? (is it a bug?) At some point while you were working on the file OOo shut down unexpectedly, leaving the lock files in place. You are correct that it is to prevent more than one person editing the file at a time. QUESTION 2 Can I delete these redundant locked file entries, i.e. the ones with filename starting with: .~lock.? (without losing data?); - or - will the .~lock. entries simply go away when I next access the files by the same name? You should be able to delete the files without any bad effects, just make sure you are not working on a file when you do it. I would be much obliged for any advice on this matter. Many thanks, James. Hope this helps. -- Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2572 - Release Date: 12/18/09 09:02:00 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Paths
Well, I found the file that sets up the Paths in OOo. I've seen (but don't understand) the format that the entries are in. I tried recreating one of the entries, just a copy/pasta with my settings put in and predictably it crashed OOo[1]. Is there any documentation on how to change that file with an extra entry that won't crash OOo? Are there other files I need to edit to do this? Since there is no warranty with OOo I know the manta: at my own risk. Also, should I be posting this to the dev list instead? [1]: http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/error-msgs/ooo-crash-corruptedpaths.png -- PIT signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] [moderated]
Programmer In Training wrote: On 1/2/2010 9:37 PM, John Meyer wrote: snip And you can alweays go with something like Paint.NET, Gimp, or Picasa (all of which are excellent choices). I would just like to mention, anything with .NET in it probably sucks (to recommend such is an abomination IMO) What? Anything with .net probably sucks? How so? FWIW, I use Paint.net as my main photo editing software, and I'm pleased with it. Not nearly as full featured as Gimp but to me that's a positive rather than a negative. It's faster and easier to use. When I have the rare situation where I need Gimp, then I'll use it. I wouldn't be so quick to conclude that Paint.net sucks, especially since it sounds from your wording that you've never tried it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
