Re: [users] Re: MS Office and OOo
Barabra Duprey: Versions of Office starting with Office 2007 SP2 have (in theory) supported ODF formats automatically. But the implementation MS chose diverges from all other implementations wherever there was any ambiguity in the specification, including most notably the expression of formulas. To be fair, they did stick with the majority in their implementation of formula *behaviour*, in terms of evaluating text cells that contain numbers, rather than ignoring them. And I'm delighted that, shortly thereafter, OOo also fell in line with the majority of implementations in that respect. Phil Hibbs. -- Don't you just hate self-referential sigs?
[users] Formatting inherited from previous character
If I highlight an entire line and set it to italics, then when I start typing at the start of the next line, it starts typing in italics. I assume that this is because font characteristics are picked up from the previous character. It would be more logical to pick it up from the next character, so if I set a word to italics and then add a character to the front of the word, e.g. changing *available* to *unavailable*, then it would work as expected. Does anyone know if this has been raised as an issue before? Phil Hibbs. -- Don't you just hate self-referential sigs?
Re: [users] Opening
scott rodkey wrote: How do I: Open an existing spreadsheet and then immediately open a new blank Text Document sheet? If I open a spreadsheet and minimize it, then click on the Open Office icon to try to open a blank Text Document sheet, it puts the spreadsheet back on the screen. Help! In the open spreadsheet, click on File New Text Document. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: MS Office and OOo
Barbara Duprey wrote: the plugin (no longer free with the switch from Sun to Oracle) It stopped being free long before Oracle bought Sun. Fortunately, I have it downloaded. Also fortunately, I don't have MS Office to use it with. ;-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Ubuntu 10.10 is out with OOo 3.2.1 included - finally
Il 10/10/2010 14:14, webmas...@krackedpress.com ha scritto: Well, Ubuntu 10.10 came out today [ not RC version ]. Included with it, finally, is OOo version 3.2.1 It would be nice if they [ Ubuntu and Debian ] would update OOo in their repositories more often than every 6 months. Yes, I know that people can download OOo in .deb and install it in a way that will deal with the Applications/Menu problems that I keep having. I just have to remember where I put that paper [file] that contains the instructions to do so. Yet, I wonder why when a major software package like OOo comes out with an update, or even an upgrade, that it takes so long for it to appear in the repositories. Other open-source packages are updated in the Ubuntu/Debian repositories and are seen in the daily/weekly checks with the Update Manager, but not OOo. I know that this type of question should be posted to an Ubuntu forum, which I have but with no answers in return, but here are the people who are most affected by that lack of updating, the OOo users running Ubuntu/Debian. I wonder if a large number of us Ubuntu/Debian users who use OOo as our main, or only, office package get together and ask real nicely, would something be done to solve the problem? There is a movement to make Ubuntu the OS that will compete with Windows as the OEM installed operating system. The movement wants to make a Linux OS that will run as easy as Windows [ to the general public use to Windows ] and make installing and upgrading software packages as easy as Windows users expect it to be. Maybe if the users of the #1 MS Office replacement get together and somehow get Ubuntu/Debian to add OOo updates and upgrades to their daily/weekly repository updating system, instead of waiting for their six month OS update/upgrade schedule. Well, it is time to get Ubuntu 10.10 on all my non-Windows systems. I think this delay in including the latest version of big software packages like OOo has something to do with making sure that it plays nice with the software ecosystem that a distro is. Also, I'm not 100% sure but I think Ubuntu also applies some modifications to the vanilla OOo distrib., so I guess every time a major version of OOo comes out they first have to apply their mods to it, then test is and only then can they add to the official repos. All this takes time, and a new distro is due every six months, so... Just a speculation... -- Marcello Romani - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Upgrading to 3.2.1
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:40:00 -0500, Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com wrote Re Re: [users] Upgrading to 3.2.1: [Mark (markh...@cox.net) is not subscribed and probably will not see any responses unless directly copied.] How can you determine if a person is subscribed? Does this list server allow non-subscribers to post messages? If so, how do you know when a non-subscriber has posted and thus needs a CC? -- At first they laugh at you, then they ignore you, then they fight you, then you win. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Upgrading to 3.2.1
On 11/10/10 13:30, Vic Dura wrote: On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:40:00 -0500, Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com wrote Re Re: [users] Upgrading to 3.2.1: [Mark (markh...@cox.net) is not subscribed and probably will not see any responses unless directly copied.] How can you determine if a person is subscribed? Does this list server allow non-subscribers to post messages? If so, yes. A policy of occasional controversy how do you know when a non-subscriber has posted and thus needs a CC? There'll be a mail header along the lines of 'Delivered To: moderator'. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Ubuntu 10.10 is out with OOo 3.2.1 included - finally
On 10/10/10 14:14, webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Well, Ubuntu 10.10 came out today [ not RC version ]. Included with it, finally, is OOo version 3.2.1 It would be nice if they [ Ubuntu and Debian ] would update OOo in their repositories more often than every 6 months. That's a decision taken by pretty much every Linux distribution... they maintain the application version that was contemporary with a particular release - it's basically a snapshot. This applies to OOo as well as most other applications. The snapshot is maintained with security updates etc, but unless you step outside the default repositories, you're not going to get newer versions. Best example, look at kernel releases... each Ubuntu release has a specific kernel version. You will not see that kernel bumped up to the next version unless you do it yourself. If you want the latest and greatest OOo in repository packaged form, add the OOo PPA repository: https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive/ppa http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu/ I know that this type of question should be posted to an Ubuntu forum, which I have but with no answers in return, but here are the people who are most affected by that lack of updating, the OOo users running Ubuntu/Debian. You're right, it's not an OpenOffice.org issue. When OOo is released... you can get the latest packages on release day regardless of OS. I wonder if a large number of us Ubuntu/Debian users who use OOo as our main, or only, office package get together and ask real nicely, would something be done to solve the problem? You will have to change the underlying principle of the release strategy of Ubuntu or change to a Linux distribution that works on a rolling release principle like Gentoo. C. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] line spacing
On 08/10/10 08:48, judy rustine wrote: I've saved my document in .rtf and when I open it again, the double line spacing revert to single in some places. Judy Rustine Elementary Teacher Any particular reason why you need to export to rtf? In general it is not a good choice and I would recommend that you either create a pdf (if you do not need to edit the document further) or .doc if you need to use it with MS Office Word. Cheers, Michele - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Formatting inherited from previous character
Phil Hibbs wrote: If I highlight an entire line and set it to italics, then when I start typing at the start of the next line, it starts typing in italics. I assume that this is because font characteristics are picked up from the previous character. It would be more logical to pick it up from the next character, so if I set a word to italics and then add a character to the front of the word, e.g. changing *available* to *unavailable*, then it would work as expected. Does anyone know if this has been raised as an issue before? Phil Hibbs. Writer uses XML to format text documents. When you set the font to italics at a given place, the italics begins at that point and does not end until you tell it to end. Entering text anywhere between the starting and ending points produces italic letters. Entering text before the start of the italics will produce the type of letters according to the font style defined for the place where you enter the text. The logic of XML is that the format given each letter is determined by what format has been defined for the place where the letter is placed. The format is defined and inserted where you want to use the format. In other words, you have to tell XML what styles you want to appear in the text and the places where you want them to appear. For example: isly red fox jumped over the lazy brown dog.i This produces /sly red fox jumped over the lazy brown dog/. If The were inserted before /sly/, the results would be The isly red fox jumped over the lazy brown dog.i The word inserted falls before the i and is therefore is in italics. (The i is not XML, but I used it to show the importance of the placement of the XML formatting which is enclosed within: . If you want to set the same font for a new character in front of a present word, click the place where you want to place the new character or characters. Apply the font for that location that you want to use. Then type the characters. Dan
Re: [users] Upgrading to 3.2.1
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:37:14 +0100, Mike Scott m...@scottsonline.org.uk wrote Re Re: [users] Upgrading to 3.2.1: Does this list server allow non-subscribers to post messages? If so, yes. A policy of occasional controversy Well that's interesting. I don't believe I've ever encountered a list server that allowed posts by non-members. I can understand the controversy. -- At first they laugh at you, then they ignore you, then they fight you, then you win. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Upgrading to 3.2.1
On Oct 11, 2010, at 17:09 , Vic Dura wrote: On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:37:14 +0100, Mike Scott m...@scottsonline.org.uk wrote Re Re: [users] Upgrading to 3.2.1: Does this list server allow non-subscribers to post messages? If so, yes. A policy of occasional controversy Well that's interesting. I don't believe I've ever encountered a list server that allowed posts by non-members. I can understand the controversy. So can I. But if it came to a vote, I'd vote to continue this practice. There are thousands of technical illiterates out there who might find their way to OOo, and to the various help alternatives, and not realise that they might be expected to subscribe. Subscribe to many people still means paying money for a subscription. They fire off a mail, and hope for a response. They may just have one problem, and if they get help, they're done. So they have a way to get help without having to join the list and get six jillion messages a day on a bad day on subjects they're not interested in. And when they come back for another question, maybe then they'll join and join in. I'd rather be helpful to the occasional non-member than make this an exclusive club. Just my 2c. //James smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
[users] Please help with a problem on OppenOffice.org 2.0
I have a problem on OpenOffice - my arrow keys do not move cells on a spreadsheet anymore like it did before. What can I do? Hope you can help me! JPH Olivier koos.olivi...@gmail.com
Re: [users] Opening
Thanks! Perfect solution. -S From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: users@openoffice.org; scottrod...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 6:08:42 AM Subject: Re: [users] Opening scott rodkey wrote: How do I: Open an existing spreadsheet and then immediately open a new blank Text Document sheet? If I open a spreadsheet and minimize it, then click on the Open Office icon to try to open a blank Text Document sheet, it puts the spreadsheet back on the screen. Help! In the open spreadsheet, click on File New Text Document.
Re: [users] Formatting inherited from previous character
Writer uses XML to format text documents... The logic of XML is that the format given each letter is determined by what format has been defined for the place where the letter is placed. XML is a data format, not a behaviour. The behaviour of a piece of software should not be determined by the file format it uses, it should be determined by user interface designers and usability experts. It should be simple to write code that says If prior character is a word-break character then insert new characters after any notation markup else insert before notation markup. Phil Hibbs. -- Don't you just hate self-referential sigs?
Re: [users] Ubuntu 10.10 is out with OOo 3.2.1 included - finally
On 10/11/2010 08:27 AM, Marcello Romani wrote: Il 10/10/2010 14:14, webmas...@krackedpress.com ha scritto: Well, Ubuntu 10.10 came out today [ not RC version ]. Included with it, finally, is OOo version 3.2.1 It would be nice if they [ Ubuntu and Debian ] would update OOo in their repositories more often than every 6 months. Yes, I know that people can download OOo in .deb and install it in a way that will deal with the Applications/Menu problems that I keep having. I just have to remember where I put that paper [file] that contains the instructions to do so. Yet, I wonder why when a major software package like OOo comes out with an update, or even an upgrade, that it takes so long for it to appear in the repositories. Other open-source packages are updated in the Ubuntu/Debian repositories and are seen in the daily/weekly checks with the Update Manager, but not OOo. I know that this type of question should be posted to an Ubuntu forum, which I have but with no answers in return, but here are the people who are most affected by that lack of updating, the OOo users running Ubuntu/Debian. I wonder if a large number of us Ubuntu/Debian users who use OOo as our main, or only, office package get together and ask real nicely, would something be done to solve the problem? There is a movement to make Ubuntu the OS that will compete with Windows as the OEM installed operating system. The movement wants to make a Linux OS that will run as easy as Windows [ to the general public use to Windows ] and make installing and upgrading software packages as easy as Windows users expect it to be. Maybe if the users of the #1 MS Office replacement get together and somehow get Ubuntu/Debian to add OOo updates and upgrades to their daily/weekly repository updating system, instead of waiting for their six month OS update/upgrade schedule. Well, it is time to get Ubuntu 10.10 on all my non-Windows systems. I think this delay in including the latest version of big software packages like OOo has something to do with making sure that it plays nice with the software ecosystem that a distro is. Also, I'm not 100% sure but I think Ubuntu also applies some modifications to the vanilla OOo distrib., so I guess every time a major version of OOo comes out they first have to apply their mods to it, then test is and only then can they add to the official repos. All this takes time, and a new distro is due every six months, so... Just a speculation... Interesting I wonder what mods they do? The only thing I noticed different is the splash screen image between Windows, Ubuntu, and OOo' .deb versions. The rest seems the same to me. Of course the major version idea does not seem to apply between 3.2.0 and 3.2.1, or does it? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Please help with a problem on OppenOffice.org 2.0
Den 2010-10-11 14:08:12 skrev Kosie Olivier koos.olivi...@gmail.com: I have a problem on OpenOffice - my arrow keys do not move cells on a spreadsheet anymore like it did before. What can I do? Hope you can help me! JPH Olivier koos.olivi...@gmail.com Why do you still use the very old OpenOffice.org 2.0? And what do you mean when you say ”move cells”? I have never been able to do that with the arrow keys alone. -- Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Ubuntu 10.10 is out with OOo 3.2.1 included - finally
Am Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:52:58 -0400 schrieb webmas...@krackedpress.com webmas...@krackedpress.com: On 10/11/2010 08:27 AM, Marcello Romani wrote: Il 10/10/2010 14:14, webmas...@krackedpress.com ha scritto: [...] Interesting I wonder what mods they do? The only thing I noticed different is the splash screen image between Windows, Ubuntu, and OOo' .deb versions. The rest seems the same to me. In my experience, Linux distros usually use the go-oo version and not the vanilla version from OOo. And since they have different patches integrated, they need different qa. Of course the major version idea does not seem to apply between 3.2.0 and 3.2.1, or does it? It should not. ;) Sigrid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] line spacing
On 10/8/2010 2:48 AM, judy rustine wrote: I've saved my document in .rtf and when I open it again, the double line spacing revert to single in some places. Judy Rustine Elementary Teacher [Judy (judyrust...@yahoo.com) is not subscribed and probably will not see any responses unless directly copied.] The .rtf operations are not really particularly good at retaining formatting; the difficulty here may be related to how styles at various levels are handled. If you don't explicitly need that format, you'd be better off with .odt, .doc, or even exporting to PDF if the recipients don't need edit capability. BTW, please keep all discussion on the list (users@openoffice.org) so others can help as needed, and use plain text only. Messages with graphics can take up a lot of bandwidth, which can be a real issue for some of the list subscribers.
Re: [users] Ubuntu 10.10 is out with OOo 3.2.1 included - finally
webmas...@krackedpress.com ha scritto: On 10/11/2010 08:27 AM, Marcello Romani wrote: Il 10/10/2010 14:14, webmas...@krackedpress.com ha scritto: Well, Ubuntu 10.10 came out today [ not RC version ]. Included with it, finally, is OOo version 3.2.1 It would be nice if they [ Ubuntu and Debian ] would update OOo in their repositories more often than every 6 months. Yes, I know that people can download OOo in .deb and install it in a way that will deal with the Applications/Menu problems that I keep having. I just have to remember where I put that paper [file] that contains the instructions to do so. Yet, I wonder why when a major software package like OOo comes out with an update, or even an upgrade, that it takes so long for it to appear in the repositories. Other open-source packages are updated in the Ubuntu/Debian repositories and are seen in the daily/weekly checks with the Update Manager, but not OOo. I know that this type of question should be posted to an Ubuntu forum, which I have but with no answers in return, but here are the people who are most affected by that lack of updating, the OOo users running Ubuntu/Debian. I wonder if a large number of us Ubuntu/Debian users who use OOo as our main, or only, office package get together and ask real nicely, would something be done to solve the problem? There is a movement to make Ubuntu the OS that will compete with Windows as the OEM installed operating system. The movement wants to make a Linux OS that will run as easy as Windows [ to the general public use to Windows ] and make installing and upgrading software packages as easy as Windows users expect it to be. Maybe if the users of the #1 MS Office replacement get together and somehow get Ubuntu/Debian to add OOo updates and upgrades to their daily/weekly repository updating system, instead of waiting for their six month OS update/upgrade schedule. Well, it is time to get Ubuntu 10.10 on all my non-Windows systems. I think this delay in including the latest version of big software packages like OOo has something to do with making sure that it plays nice with the software ecosystem that a distro is. Also, I'm not 100% sure but I think Ubuntu also applies some modifications to the vanilla OOo distrib., so I guess every time a major version of OOo comes out they first have to apply their mods to it, then test is and only then can they add to the official repos. All this takes time, and a new distro is due every six months, so... Just a speculation... Interesting I wonder what mods they do? The only thing I noticed different is the splash screen image between Windows, Ubuntu, and OOo' .deb versions. The rest seems the same to me. Of course the major version idea does not seem to apply between 3.2.0 and 3.2.1, or does it? Of course it should not :-) There's another possibility: they think upgrading OOo is a low priority task, since it works well enough. Or, they're just lazy :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Fwd: FRENCH SPELLCHECKER/THESAURUS
Reposted, I used a non-subscribed email address below. I still need the uninstall information. Original Message Subject:FRENCH SPELLCHECKER/THESAURUS Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:50:45 -0700 From: Joe Conner joseph.con...@comcast.net To: Open Office Users Group users@openoffice.org 1. How do I delete the French dictionary and thesaurus that automatically installed in my OpenOffice? I need only US language, and not any others. 2. How do I prevent any upgrade from installing the French bits? WINXP Pro w/all service packs. Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Calc malfunction - won't recalculate
On 10/08/2010 10:21 AM, Mike Scott wrote: On 08/10/10 16:52, John Bowling wrote: OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 OOO320m19 (Build:9505) ooo-build 3.2.1.4 On openSUSE 11.3 Work fine until an update in the last few days. Now simple calculations such as =A15+1 (in A16) will not change if the value in A15 changes. A16 remains the old value. It does effect other calculations also, but that's the simplest to describe. It does the calculation if you are entering new calculations into a spread sheet, but will not anytime after that. Closing and reopening the file or Calc will not make it recalculate. I suggest you check Tools | Cell Contents | Autocalculate is on. Thanks, I checked that. It does not have a check mark on it. A right click or left click will not add a check mark. Yet now it does recalculate on a new spread sheet by changing a value or by F9. Auto-calculate and Auto-input are checked. Even so, it now seems to work (before and I looked at and tried changing things). I checked the spreadsheet that had the problem before, and Auto-calculate was not checked. It was a sheet that had been used a few hundred times over the last few years without changes except data additions at the bottom. Auto-calculate had been checked origionally. This is not something that changes with an inadvertent slip of the fingers on the keys (how could you? given the above) or some F- key. So why did it change? It does now work. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Calc malfunction - won't recalculate
At 20:14 11/10/2010 -0700, John Bowling wrote: I checked the spreadsheet that had the problem before, and Auto-calculate was not checked. It was a sheet that had been used a few hundred times over the last few years without changes except data additions at the bottom. Auto-calculate had been checked originally. This is not something that changes with an inadvertent slip of the fingers on the keys (how could you? given the above) ... By pressing Alt+T, N, C. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] French spellchecker/thesaurus
At 19:52 11/10/2010 -0700, Joe Conner wrote: 1. How do I delete the French dictionary and thesaurus that automatically installed in my OpenOffice? o Go to Tools | Extension Manager... . o Select the relevant extension. o Click Disable or Remove, as desired. I trust this helps. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] French spellchecker/thesaurus
On 10/11/2010 8:51 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 19:52 11/10/2010 -0700, Joe Conner wrote: 1. How do I delete the French dictionary and thesaurus that automatically installed in my OpenOffice? o Go to Tools | Extension Manager... . o Select the relevant extension. o Click Disable or Remove, as desired. I trust this helps. Brian Barker Thanks for the answer, unfortunately it does not help. There is no remove button. Right click context yields only update. Keyboard delete key does nothing. See the screen shot attached. Again, thanks for trying. Joe Conner, POULSBO, WA USA ExtMgr.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
