[users] Re: Re[2]: PDF Conversion

2010-12-11 Thread Twayne
In news:334552512.20101210144...@gmail.com,
Douglas Hinds douglas.hi...@gmail.com typed:
 It might help if you had stated what you meant by the
 results were not adequate.

 OO writer can now open pdf files, but it opens them in OO
 Draw and each and every line is included in it's own text
 box so the documents flow is totally lost for the purpose
 of editing.  The letterhead didn't appear, either.  And we
 are describing a pdf document created in writer and
 exported to pdf from there.

 What type of editing do you want to do?

 I want a faithful reproduction of the pdf file in a totally
 editable form.

 Where does OOo fail to do what you want?

 It doesn't do the above.  OO opens pdf files in Draw - that
 means it's a graphics rather than a document file.

 Perhaps there's a configuration that can change this -
 which is
 the reason for my post today to users at oo.org.

 Any ideas?

 Douglas Hinds

If you have OCR, perhaps you can feed the documents to your OCR and get both 
the images and text back that way. Just a passing thought.

HTH,

Twayne`




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[users] Re: PDF Conversion

2010-12-11 Thread NoOp
On 12/10/2010 10:39 AM, Douglas Hinds wrote:
 
 OO's ability to create pdf files is a valuable asset.
 
 However, the need frequently arises to convert pdf files to a
 editable format.
 
 I installed the extension OO offers for doing that but the results
 were not adequate.
 
 I no longer use Windows.  Can anyone suggest a Linux Application
 (I'm running Mint - a version of Ubuntu) that would allow me to
 convert PDF files to a format editable in OO?
 
 Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
 

While doubling the size of the PDF, you can save as a 'hybrid' PDF. That
way you can open the PDF directly in Writer and edit.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Pdf_Import_Extension/Announcement

http://www.google.com/search?hl=encomplete=0q=openoffice+%2Bpdf+%2BhybridbtnG=Search

For existing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software#Unix_.2F_Linux

PDF Edit is good, but rather complex and can take some time to master (I
never have).
http://pdfedit.petricek.net/en/index.html
http://pdfedit.petricek.net/en/user_doc.html

If you plan to edit quite a few, particularly in a commercial
environment, I'd recommend PDF Studio:
http://www.qoppa.com/index.html
Give the free trial a spin:
http://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudio/index.html


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Re: [users] Re: Re[2]: PDF Conversion

2010-12-11 Thread Douglas Hinds

Twayne suggested:

 If you have OCR, perhaps you can feed the documents to your OCR and get both
 the images and text back that way. Just a passing thought.

That might prove useful (and the Mint Software Manager lists a
number of them) but would be far more complicated than a pdf
to .doc or .rtf conversion application because:

1.- OCR apps are usually not fully accurate (and I have to convert
a LOT of pdf files); and

2.- It assumes that most pdf files are graphics files at bottom,
which is often not the case.

In fact, a pdf file generated by a scanner will NOT convert to a
word processor document (EXCEPT in the manner you suggest) but the
vast majority of pdf files are NOT graphics files but rather,
DOCUMENT files (hence the name, portable document format) and will
convert quite readily to text plus graphics layouts, using a proper
converter.

Remember that PDF is an Adobe format and so is Postscript.

Applications that convert Postscript to PDF and Vice Versa exist but
I am still investigating the available options and haven't installed
any yet.

Whatever I discover I'll post here.

Douglas Hinds


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Re: [users] Re: PDF Conversion

2010-12-11 Thread Douglas Hinds

NoOp mentioned:

 While doubling the size of the PDF, you can save as a 'hybrid' PDF. That
 way you can open the PDF directly in Writer and edit.

That's definitely worth a try.

But if I open a pdf file as such from oo write it will open it in oo
draw which does not offer that format when I try to save it.

 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Pdf_Import_Extension/Announcement
 
 http://www.google.com/search?hl=encomplete=0q=openoffice+%2Bpdf+%2BhybridbtnG=Search
 
 For existing:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software#Unix_.2F_Linux
 
 PDF Edit is good, but rather complex and can take some time to master (I
 never have).
 http://pdfedit.petricek.net/en/index.html
 http://pdfedit.petricek.net/en/user_doc.html
 
 If you plan to edit quite a few, particularly in a commercial
 environment, I'd recommend PDF Studio:
 http://www.qoppa.com/index.html
 Give the free trial a spin:
 http://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudio/index.html

More  than  EDIT  pdf files, my goal is to EXTRACT or EMPHASIZE info
contained in them.

Converting to a .txt file would allow that but of course, I'd lose
the preexisting formatting and graphics.

I will follow up on your suggestions and links, which should help me
arrive sooner at a more or less workable solution.

One more thing:  My own posts are not returning (so I'm bbc-ing
myself) and I'm wondering if this can be changed via my account's
configuration.


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Re: [users] Re: PDF Conversion

2010-12-11 Thread RA Brown

On Sat Dec 11 2010 14:45:54 GMT-0800 (PST)  Douglas Hinds wrote:


One more thing:  My own posts are not returning (so I'm bbc-ing
myself) and I'm wondering if this can be changed via my account's
configuration.


That is a Gmail thing.  For some reason they figure that if you send it 
you do not need a copy.  Go figure.



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[users] Transferring Mac OOo Writer Configs to Mint OOo

2010-12-11 Thread James Greenidge


Seasons Greetings!

I wish to transfer my Mac OOo Writer configuration files into Linux OOo 
Writer (for Mint). The main Writer files in question would be 
toolbar.xml and standard.soc, but despite hours of poking and shoving 
through Mint's arcane OOo file folders, I can't find the Linux OOo files 
which are the same or renamed ones to their opposite numbers on Mac OOo. 
Any assist would be appreciated!


Jim


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[users] Re: PDF Conversion

2010-12-11 Thread NoOp
On 12/11/2010 02:45 PM, Douglas Hinds wrote:
 
 NoOp mentioned:
 
 While doubling the size of the PDF, you can save as a 'hybrid' PDF. That
 way you can open the PDF directly in Writer and edit.
 
 That's definitely worth a try.
 
 But if I open a pdf file as such from oo write it will open it in oo
 draw which does not offer that format when I try to save it.

I didn't say that the hybrid feature will work with existing PDFs.
Please read what I wrote.

If I a export a PDF as a hybrid file, and then open OOo and select
File|Open|path to the hybrid PDF, the file opens in Writer.


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