[users] Not-entirely shameless self-promotion - [OT] MacBook for Sale
Hi, I'm sorry for the spamish email - but I know everyone here is into tech on some level, so I figured there might be someone in need of a good deal on a laptop. Speficially, a first generation MacBook, which, oddly enough, beats the MacBook Air on pretty much every spec except thinness. Here's the link to the ebay auction: http://urlbrief.com/81815f Here are the specs. - 1.83 Ghz Dual-Core Intel Core Duo Processor - 2 GB DDR2 PC2-5300 677 Mhz 200-pin SO-DIMM RAM - 80 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive SATA - ComboDrive (CD±R/W & DVD) - 13.3" Screen at 1280 x 800 resolution native - Front Row (remote included) - Leopard Mac OS X 10.5.1 - iLife '08 - iWork '08 - Microsoft Office 2004 - Windows XP Professional SP 2 - 2 USB 2.0 Ports - Wireless 802.11a/b/g/draft-n - Ethernet 10/100/1000 - iSight web cam - built-in mic - headphone and mic jack - stereo speakers - Mini-DVI out - And more If you are interested, please check out the auction. If you "Buy it Now" at the Buy it Now price, I'll throw in my Brenthaven carrying case, which is $50 online. I really hate to part with this computer, since it was the first new computer I ever bought, but I can't really justify keeping it since I replaced it. If you don't want XP for whatever reason, I can take that off. It's a new hard drive with a fresh install of everything - so this is in better than new condition. I replaced the keyboard, maxed out the RAM, and put in a bigger hard drive. If you have any questions at all, feel free to email me - or contact me through ebay <http://urlbrief.com/81815f>. Thanks for reading! -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Mac Command key shortcuts
On 9/28/06, Christopher Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As I heard, the final OpenOffice.org 2.0.4 will appear soon. So, if you can wait a while ... Or, he could use NeoOffice today. Why wait? When 2.0.4 comes out, then he can try it - but I'm sure he needs an office suite between now and then - otherwise he would not have bothered to ask about it. -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Mac Command key shortcuts
NeoOffice is better than the X11 port of OpenOffice.org. NeoOffice does *not* use X11 - that's the whole point of the project. NeoOffice is Aquafied. It is Mac-Native in every sense of the word. The menus are across the top, the file interface is identical to finder, it doesn't require anything that isn't included pre-installed on a brand new Mac or a fresh install of OS X. NeoOffice is based on the latest version of OpenOffice.org. you might want to check their site out to see what you are misinformed about. http://www.neooffice.org/ From what I understand, there is an effort that is making serious headway on releasing a completely Mac-native version of OpenOffice.org officially, which would replace the X11 port completely. When that is released, I might switch. NeoOffice is already there now, so I have no need to bother with the inferior X11 port. And that is what I recommend to anyone who uses a Mac. On 9/28/06, SebTworowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chad Smith a écrit : > NeoOffice uses Mac-Native shortcuts. > > It's Aquafied, doesn't need X11, is free, open source, and based on > OpenOffice.org. > > http://www.neooffice.org > > On 9/28/06, SebTworowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Brian Knittel a écrit : >> > How do you make Command (Apple) key shortcuts? >> > >> > All the other Mac apps use Command-c, Command-v, etc., and I'm finding >> > it difficult to switch back and forth. I can't believe there isn't a >> > way, but I've been unable to find it. I followed the instructions to >> > use the Tools->Customize menu but there doesn't seem to be any way to >> > specify the Command key. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > --Brian >> > >> > - >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> Yeah i know, it's so anoying to have to use ctrl instead of command... >> It might seem stupid but it's anoying... definitly. >> >> -- >> >> Tworowski Sebastien >> Musical Assistant, Drummer and Composer >> tel : 0033 + (0)6 14 76 87 25 >> mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> web : http://www.bloghotel.org/tworowski >> * http://www.synart.org >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > yeah but not so good... And, as i can remember, on the version i used to use, NeoOffice uses X11... Now, maybe there's a new version... or maybe i'm wrong and confused... -- Tworowski Sebastien Musical Assistant, Drummer and Composer tel : 0033 + (0)6 14 76 87 25 mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] web : http://www.bloghotel.org/tworowski * http://www.synart.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Mac Command key shortcuts
NeoOffice uses Mac-Native shortcuts. It's Aquafied, doesn't need X11, is free, open source, and based on OpenOffice.org. http://www.neooffice.org On 9/28/06, SebTworowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Brian Knittel a écrit : > How do you make Command (Apple) key shortcuts? > > All the other Mac apps use Command-c, Command-v, etc., and I'm finding > it difficult to switch back and forth. I can't believe there isn't a > way, but I've been unable to find it. I followed the instructions to > use the Tools->Customize menu but there doesn't seem to be any way to > specify the Command key. > > Thanks! > --Brian > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yeah i know, it's so anoying to have to use ctrl instead of command... It might seem stupid but it's anoying... definitly. -- Tworowski Sebastien Musical Assistant, Drummer and Composer tel : 0033 + (0)6 14 76 87 25 mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] web : http://www.bloghotel.org/tworowski * http://www.synart.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Re: Two ways Microsoft sabotages Linux desktop adoption
This thread needs to STOP. This is the users mailing list. It is for asking and answering user questions about how to get/install/use OpenOffice.org - it is *NOT* a place to promote Anti-Microsoft FUD, crackpot theories, or bashing MS at all. If you want to do that, there are plenty of other places to do that - but the users list of OpenOffice.org is not one of them. [EMAIL PROTECTED] work - but not [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please kill this thread. It's over. It never belonged here to begin with. Moderators, PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD. 8 days and 40 messages is ENOUGH. -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
I'm getting these too. I created a filter to autodelete them, so I don't know how many. I amde the fiter after about 5 of them. On 9/12/06, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chuck Kerschner wrote: > It would be interesting to see the original message supposedly > "attached below". "This person" may not actually be ON the list. > > I've been receiving spam through a new way of getting it to me; > The spammer gets a temporary email account, then sends his crap > to a non-existent address with my email address in the > "Return to:" field. It's driving the IT folks at my ISP nuts. In this case, it appears to be valid messages from users here, getting bounced when the list sends to a bogus address. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] OpenOffice MAC Help
Tobias, You can try NeoOffice. It is free, open source, Mac Native, and Aqua. It is based on OpenOffice.org. It can be downloaded here, (no X11 needed) - http://www.neooffice.org/ OpenOffice.org proper is working on a more Mac-native version, that doesn't need X11, but it won't be ready for a little while (a few weeks ~ few months). I personally (I'm just a volunteer, not an expert) use and recommend NeoOffice for Mac users - at least until OpenOffice.org proper is Mac Native. On 9/7/06, Tobias Domke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Expert, i need further information to install OpenOffice 2.0.3 or 1.1.4 on my MacOS X 10.4.7. PPC Darwin 8.7.0! Both versions of OpenOffice require X11. When I try to install OO I receive the information that I need to install X11. But when I try to install X11 (Download X11user.pkg) I get an information that my system yet got x11 or better. I don't have the knowledge to solve this problem. Can you help me with this problem. Thanks for your help Tobias Domke - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Long live Bill Gates!.?
On 9/7/06, Johnny Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One thing that is frustrating, at least for me, is that when I buy a new PC I have to pay more for a PC without an operating system than for a PC with Windows included. I am not sure that's the fact all over the world, but it is at least here in my "odd" country. So it feels like if I want a new PC with Linux, at least I either have to pay for: 1. Windows + PC or 2. PC + "avoid Windows fee" where 2 is more expensive than 1... That's BS. http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/desktop.html - http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/laptop.html - lists of places you can buy computers with Linux already installed on them. No need to buy Windows. Or, you could order this: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhsfrom Dell. Or this from Walmart: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3762912 .Or go to a local hardware shop and ask for a barebones system and a hard drive. Or, hell, buy a Mac. -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Long live Bill Gates!.?
Ok. It's been awhile since I gave one of my "Microsoft is *not* a monopoly" rants. And I don't want to give one here. But let's just agree to disagree. I believe in free enterprise. I believe in ownership. What that means is, you can't tell me what to do with my stuff. And that includes you not being able to tell me how much to sell my stuff for, or to whom. If I own a store, and I want to charge $50 for Widget A to the nice old man who drops off my paper in the morning - I can - if I want to charge $75 for the same widget to the average customer - I can, and if I want to charge a buck 50 for that same item to the hot chick that works in the shop next door - who the hell are you to stop me? Same goes for Microsoft. If they want to charge people with green eyes $150 for Windows XP - people with blue eyes $350 - and people with brown eyes $50 - that's up to them. It's their product. If they want to charge $5000 to IBM, $2000 to HP, and $23.99 to Dell - it's their product. I'm aware that I might be at odds with some anti-trust laws or whatever. But that's my opinion. There are plenty of laws I don't agree with. I'm sure that there are some people on this list don't agree with software patents - but they are the law. Just because something is a law doesn't make it right. (BTW, I don't like software patients either.) I don't like everything Microsoft does. I don't work for Microsoft. I don't think they make the best software. (Although, I love the Xbox, but that's hardware.) But I also don't believe they are evil, and I don't believe using price breaks and incentives for using only their software is wrong. IBM didn't have to sell Windows PCs. I imagine if they had sold only OS/2 on their machines - it would still be in production today, and Windows wouldn't own nearly as much of the market as they do now. Back in 1995, Windows didn't have the following it does now. IBM shouldn't have caved. It was their mistake, and now OS/2 is dead. And, from what I've heard, a lot of people thought it was a better OS. Apple doesn't sell Windows. Apple makes hardware. Apple has it's own OS. Apple's OS is better (IMHO, and many others) than Windows. IBM could have been like Apple. Nobody forced them to sell Windows. -Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Long live Bill Gates!.?
On 9/6/06, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There's nothing wrong with making money for their shareholders. However it's not their "lawfull duty" to use illegal means, such as extortion to do that. Extortion? omg. When was the last time Bill Gates rolled up on somebody with a glock and said install Windows or get capped? Nobody's threatening you with bodily harm if you do not use Microsoft products. Nobody made you save your files in any format that you didn't choose. Nobody forced Windows down anyone's throat. Could your employer require Windows? Sure they could. It's their computer. You don't want to use it - get another job. You were looking for work when you got hired. You can do it again. Please, loosen the tin foil hat, will ya? Geesh. -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Long live Bill Gates!.?
On 9/6/06, Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kirill S. Palagin wrote: > See inline ... > OK, here is my take on that - only open source products backed by > established software companies (or at least started from commercial > products) have usability necessary to penetrate desktop. Let's compare quite a black-white viewpoint... But an accurate one OpenOffice.org - Sun Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla - Netscape then Mozilla Corp. Linux - IBM / Novell / etc. What's a "pure" open source project (meaning completely volunteer) that has eye candy or a high quality User Interface? -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Long live Bill Gates!.?
On 9/6/06, Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kirill S. Palagin wrote: > See inline ... > OK, here is my take on that - only open source products backed by > established software companies (or at least started from commercial > products) have usability necessary to penetrate desktop. Let's compare quite a black-white viewpoint... But an accurate one OpenOffice.org - Sun Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla - Netscape then Mozilla Corp. Linux - IBM / Novell / etc. What's a "pure" open source project (meaning completely volunteer) that has eye candy or a high quality User Interface? -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] MS corruption of odt extensions!!
Damn, you guys drink a lot of Anti-M$ Kool Aid. Talk about your FUD BS. Viruses on Windows update? Riiight. Why don't you stick your nose a little further up RMS's butt. I think you might still be able to breathe. The rest of us, however, will try to carry on without you out here in the real world. On 9/5/06, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: users@openoffice.org wrote: > Chad wrote: > >> I've been a Windows user since Windows 3.1. I've had *ONE* virus in >> my life > > I've traced two trojans, and three virii directly to security patches > available from Microsoft.com, for by windows box. > > How many users are going to tell their anti-maleware program to stop the > security patch upgrade? [It was only after I completely reinstalled > windows twice, that I discovered which program was the culprit.] > > The other malware infiltration I had, was whilst downloading said > patches from Microsoft.com. [I had to shut down my firewall, to get > Microsoft.com to recognize that I was running a genuine windows machine.] There was also that "security patch" a few months ago, which clobbered MS Office apps, so that you couldn't open files IIRC. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Long live Bill Gates!
hasn't anyone ever heard the expression "Don't feed the troll"? On 9/5/06, Daniel Kasak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: pop.tele2.fr wrote: > I installed OpenOffice two hours ago. Most applications install an > icon on the desk at the same time so that the user can easily launch > the program. But not OpenOffice. Most applications have a file with an > icon and/or an understandable name that makes it easy to create an > icon on the desk. But not OpenOffice. After wasting two hours in vain, > I uninstalled OpenOffice, won't install it again this century, thought > of the tens of thousands of people who won't even have the chance to > try OpenOffice, and finally decided to buy a few Microsoft shares. Wasted 2 hours trying to find a launch icon? Dude you failed the IQ test badly. -- Daniel Kasak IT Developer NUS Consulting Group Level 5, 77 Pacific Highway North Sydney, NSW, Australia 2060 T: (+61) 2 9922-7676 / F: (+61) 2 9922 7989 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://www.nusconsulting.com.au - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] MS corruption of odt extensions!!
On 9/5/06, Ilyse Kazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the implication that the user should presume that a Word Viewer application will ruin the mapping of odt files to OOo is ... well ... not worth more keystrokes, I guess. For GOD'S SAKE! It was NOT the downloading the Word Viewer - nor the installation of it - nor even the running of it - that broke any damn thing on the guy's computer. It was HIS DELETION OF THAT PROGRAM that TEMPORIALITY left some of his files without an associated program. As has been pointed out, by many, on this is - in this very thread - IT IS EASILY FIXED. Get your head out of your ass and buy a clue. If I download ANYTHING on ANY OS that associates files to itself, (or better said, that asks me if I want to associate those files to it), and then I delete that program - those files will be without a home. That's the way it works. Come on. Damn! -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] MS corruption of odt extensions!!
On 9/5/06, Ilyse Kazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 11:07 AM -0400 9/5/06, Chad Smith wrote: >Let me tell you something. Everytime your computer (or its user) screws up >- it's not Micro$$$oft's satanic plan to ruin your lives, rape your kids, >and steal all your money. *YOU* messed up *YOUR* computer I do not think that is fair. Plenty can go wrong on a box due simply to conflicts between what different software titles write to the registry, missing dll's that installers forgot to include, SO MANY THINGS that are beyond the purview, control, or presumed knowledge of and end-user and which are DEFINITELY not due to them "messing up". But the problem he's describing - downloading a viewer, installing it, and then deleting it, and wondering why his files won't open - that's *his* problem, *his* mistake, *his* error. That had nothing to do with the "Evil Empire" trying to oppress anybody. It's not a virus. It's not a trojan. It's not a worm. It's not a hack. It's not an exploit. It's not spyware. It's not adware. It's not anybody's fault but the user. Blaming Microsoft - or *trying* to blame Microsoft is not only stupid, it's FUD, and it's just plain wrong. I'd say (and have) the same things to people who come on here bitching about "ur softwarez ate my Office filez11!1!!!one" or "OPNN OFICE TOOK OVER MY COMPOOTR!" when *THEY* downloaded / installed OpenOffice.org - purposefully checked the boxes that said to associate MS Office files with OpenOffice.org, and then complained. You are right, it's not always user error. But it is sometimes. And it definately is this time. The original poster on this thread is a Windows user. That's why he is using Windows, doh. He seems to have a fear of things that might happen TO his computer and it is just completely unrealistic to propose that anything that might happen TO a computer (particularly one with new virus threats every hour of every day) is the fault of the end-user! Yes, it actually is their fault if they do not have anti-virus software (there are plenty of free ones out there, even open source ones) and for opening / installing programs (like this guy did) that they don't have a clue what they do. I've been a Windows user since Windows 3.1. I've had *ONE* virus in my life that did anything other than get quantined by my AV software - and that was because I hadn't installed any AV on that machine yet. And I opened a file that I shouldn't have, from someone I didn't know, and it was an EXE. I'm not saying it's *always* the users fault. But it usually could be prevented with some free tools and some common sense. -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] MS corruption of odt extensions!!
There's a little old woman who thinks everytime anything remotely bad happens to her or anyone she cares about - it's the Devil out to get her. It could be anything from her dropping her keys and having to bend over (at her age, a troublesome task) to get them, or the store not having the right kind of vegatables for her receipe. It's always that mean ol' Devil out to get her. Let me tell you something. Everytime your computer (or its user) screws up - it's not Micro$$$oft's satanic plan to ruin your lives, rape your kids, and steal all your money. *YOU* messed up *YOUR* computer. Don't blame Microsoft, Satan, Hitler, Santa Claus or anybody else. You f'ed up. Fix it. On 9/5/06, Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have recently inadvertently downloaded MS word viewer and deleted it, I also have automatic windows updates. I am concerned that MS might be dictating use of their software by changes that occur! I find that if using file explorer I have to identify the file association program for *.odt files. This never used to happen, is irritating and worrying as is my data at risk of getting lost. What would be the situation if due to problems like this I am forced back to MS products, will they make *.odt documents unreadable? Really like Open Office so hope you can help my concerns and you need to know of MS problems if that's what is happening? Many thanks Dennis -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 01/09/2006 -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Openoffice won't work on my mac--no X11
Finder, Mac OS X's file manager http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/8029/1616/1600/macfiles.png NeoOffice Aqua Beta 3 (looks identical to me) http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/8029/1616/1600/macfiles2.png The latest version of OpenOffice.org http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/8029/1616/1600/not_mac_filesystem.png Doesn't look the same to me. Maybe I'm stupid. On 9/4/06, Pavel Janík <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "Chad Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:53:06 -0400 > right, and uses the Mac file structure, Can you please enlighten us, what is "Mac file structure" please? -- Pavel Janík Use the "telephone test" for readability. -- The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Openoffice won't work on my mac--no X11
Hi Benton, To avoid all X11 garbage - just install NeoOffice - http://www.neooffice.org/ . It is free, open source, based on OpenOffice.org - and, best of all, it's completely Mac-Native. It's even Aquafied. If you ever manage to jump through all the hoops to get OpenOffice.org X11 installed on your Mac, I guarentee you are not going to like the way it works. The menus are all screwed up, and forget about trying to find files on your computer, OOo X11 uses a completely different file structure than Mac OS X. NeoOffice, on the other hand, does things right, and uses the Mac file structure, and Aqua's user interface, so things are where they are supposed to be. On 9/3/06, Benton Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I have an intel based macbook pro and I've tried to install openoffice. But when I do, I get a message that says I must have X11 in order to run OpenOffice. So, I downloaded a package and tried to install X11. It told me I couldn't install because there is newer software on my computer already. So first I looked for this newer software that was supposed to already be installed and couldn't find it. Then I got my install disk out and installed X11 from there. I had no problems installing, but when it was finished, I looked for the icon in Applications/Utilities and it wasn't there. I also tried to open OpenOffice and it came back with the same message that X11 wasn't installed. Then I recently read an email on this list that said you had to use Spotlight to find the old file, then delete it before X11 would work. So I typed "X11" in Spotlight and it didn't find any executable files, just the pdfs and install packages I had downloaded. Has anyone solved this particular problem, and if so, how did you do it? thanks --Benton Time flies like and arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. -- Groucho Marx - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Mac OS X troubles
Try NeoOffice - http://www.neooffice.org/ - it's based on OpenOffice.org and works like a Mac program should. On 9/3/06, Jeff Walter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I am having trouble getting OpenOffice to work on my iMac. My OS is Tiger ( 10.4). I have installed the latest version of the OpenOffice software. I installed X11 from the Tiger cd. The install seems to go okay. But when I start OpenOffice, I only get a File menu and and Edit menu. The File menu only has one command available (Use Startup Screen) and it is grayed out. The Edit menu has Copy, Paste, Undo, etc. grayed out but has one command (Edit Script) that is not grayed out. When I try to execute this command, nothing happens. Please help! I would be most grateful for any assistance you can provide. Thanks very much, Jeff Walter -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Will OpenOffice become Aqua-native
You can get it for free. NeoOffice ( http:/www.neooffice.org/ ) is a program that takes OpenOffice.org and makes it Mac-native, and now it's Aquafied. Very slick. On 8/30/06, Matti Olkinuora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OOo for Linux and Windows are great, but in Mac platform you feel that it isn't quite right (Like tanking Diesel fuel into a Gasoline powered car) . It's just that the look and feel aren't there. The feel is important (no top menu, CTRL+C/CTRL+V). If it would be Aqua app, I could pay 100 € to get it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Someone uses openoffice name for their own profits
There have been several other *threads* of email about this. There is absolutely nothing illegal, amoral, wrong, bad, evil, or not-right about what they are doing. On 8/16/06, Richard Detwiler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eternity_Dragon wrote: > Hello, > just wanted to inform you about http://www-openoffice.com/. It seems > their > using "Open Office" for a software package. This might mislead people > to use > not real OpenOffice, but the one, they provide. This might be a > problem. I > thought you'll want to hear about this. > I clicked the link and it looks to me like it is in fact OpenOffice.org that they are marketing. So I'm not sure where there is any deception going on. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Heartbreaking but it looks like I have to abandon Open Office
ow what else to do at this point. I hate Microsoft Office so I can't go back to it but there just isn't much else out there. It may have seemed like a cool thing to do running Open Office through the Unix portion of OSX but it leaves a lot of users like me out in the cold. Is there a version of X11 that self installs? Cary - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Open Office Meets WordPerfect
On 8/3/06, R. W. Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was wondering if WordPerfect can open text documents from either version of Open Office. If not, what popular software programs can...? At present, there are not many commerical software packages that use the ODF standard, but that is changing. The next version of MS Office will be able to open, edit, and create files in that format, according to Microsoft, - and several free programs, like AbiWord - http://www.abiword.com/ , can do so today. Online Word Processors, like Writely - http://www.writely.com/ , can create them as well. However, OpenOffice.org can create, open, view, and edit several other popular formats, including MS Word and RTF. It can open and read WordPerfect text files, and export to PDF. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] [Word Processing, key for 4 hours, do spell check, get edit message not responding. Lose everything. Followig same thing 6 hour dodument
I don't know what Open Office Manager is. OpenOffice.org is an office suite that has no email client, and therefore nothing to do with email. So there's no way we can help you. OpenOffice.org is a free program maintained by an open source project by the same name. OpenOffice.org is run by volunteers, and is not a company. OpenOffice.org is a free suite of programs which include Writer - a word processor, Calc - a spreadsheet program, Impress - a presentation program, and Draw - a vector graphics program. As you can see, there is nothing to do with email there. Just on a side note, however, most programs, email clients or otherwise, allow you to save your work. If you are typing away for hours on end, you might want to save every so often, so that you won't lose all your work, no matter if the program messes up or not. Again, I'm not sure what email client you are using, but rest assured, it's not from OpenOffice.org. On 7/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Purchased Acer Laptop; Aspire3502WLCi with Open Office Manager loaded, May 2005 purchase date. Have Windows XP home also preloaded. Since it is not Microsoft "Word" cant do spell check on email. Per PeoplePC.Com 2 weeks ago I keyed for 4 hours, was doing a spell check in word processing mode of Open Office Manager when I got the edit message not responding and was in a loop so I lost everything. Last week same thing except 6 hr key, was in spell check and got same message and lost everything. It is not related to power suply as I am on AC rather then battery. Is there somethig obvious I am doing wrong? Thank you Rick Weil -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Is there a Drawing or Spreadsheet part to Openoffice.org for a MAC
Yes. It's there. Just click the little icon in the top left corner that looks like a piece of paper with writing on it behind a bird. (think white box with lines and a funky v in front of it) that will drop down a list of all the other modes of OpenOffice.org. On 7/22/06, Irwin Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have successfully installed openoffice.org in my ibook G4. In runs as a word processor only. Is there a spread sheet and drawing component like on PC's? If so how do I install the drawing, spreadsheet, and database components to openoffice.org on an ibook G4. Irwin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] UNSUBSCRIBE ME
What is invalid about it? On 7/18/06, Donald Cochron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry, don't think so. -Original Message- From: G. Roderick Singleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:51 AM To: users@openoffice.org Cc: Donald Cochron Subject: RE: [users] UNSUBSCRIBE ME On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 09:27 -0500, Donald Cochron wrote: > The signature you are using is invalid > No. Your mail client is faulty. Fix it. > -Original Message- > From: G. Roderick Singleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:25 AM > To: users@openoffice.org > Cc: mike scott > Subject: Re: [users] UNSUBSCRIBE ME > > On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 09:19 +0100, mike scott wrote: > > On 17 Jul 2006 at 7:07, Richard Detwiler wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > ... > > > > PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME ALSO, this is my second request. > > ... > > > Have you tried following the Unsubscribe link at the bottom of each > > > message? Then you need to reply to the confirmatory message. > > > > > In fairness, if he's subscribed to the digest form, there won't be such > > an unsubscribe link. The only hope then is to have kept or remembered > > the instructions from the initial subscription message. > > > > Maybe the digest could have a "how to unsubscribe" message added each > > time? Boring I know! > > Please see http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html There are links > there. -- PLEASE KEEP MESSAGES ON THE LIST. OpenOffice.org Documentation Co-Lead http://documentation.openoffice.org/ ----- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] digg: last 10 days of collecting for our OOo Metro newspaper ad
dugg On 7/11/06, Benjamin Horst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you can digg this article, it will help to spread the word and finish off our collection project. We've received some really positive help from Spread Firefox! http://digg.com/software/OpenOffice_Ad_Project_Fundraising_Almost_Complete Thanks! Ben - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] OpenOffice.org 2.0.3 Is Here. Download It Now.
On 6/29/06, Pete Holsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: File not found or equivalent at all US sites. Confirmed. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Re: your ad doesn't deliever take this one instead
On 6/28/06, mike scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And it subsequently refers to "Bryan Garner, whose Dictionary of Modern American Usage...". I'm talking about /English/ not "American". They are different, and what's acceptable in one may not be in the other. As far as I can tell, it's a usage that's been catching on over here just in the past /few/ years - it is /not/ correct usage. Yet. http://homepage.mac.com/bhorst/ Last I checked, New York City is in America. New York City is where the oringial ad (the one the OP said is not working) is being used. The fact that Mount Rushmore, (you know, the mountian with 4 American Presidents faces carved into it) and Independence (you know, like American Independence from England) are used in the original ad kinda backs up the idea that it's okay to "talk American". "obtain OOo free" or "obtain OOo for nothing" (*). Please?? Yes, get OpenOffice.org for nothing is a lot better than for free. Oops, I'm sorry - that was an American thing we do sometimes call sarcasm. When I hear "for nothing" the word I put in front of it is "good" as in "Good for nothing". You do not want to use the word "nothing" in your advertisement. It's a negative word. "Free" on the other hand is a very positive one. I wasn't intending to start a major "style war". But if I see adverts with incorrect language, then I tend to think twice about using the product, and I doubt whether I'm alone - advertising works both ways. So you're saying that the ad might not appeal to anal nit-pickers from England. okay. Where as changing it to "Get OOo for nothing" is going to sound to a large number of people like "Get this thing for no reason." Hmmm, I wonder which is a better ad? (As a slightly relevant aside. A telecoms company wanted to show it was a field leader. It paid a fortune to an advertising company for the slogan "the name behind tomorrow". Didn't last long - either slogan or company :-) Advertising really /does/ matter.) yes *ADVERTISING* matters - not the Queen's English. If "For Free" was such a turn off to customers, marketing execs would have stopped using it by now. But the fact that "for free" and the reduntant "Free Gift" are still used all the time proves that grammar is no way to judge the effectiveness of an ad. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Re: your ad doesn't deliever take this one instead
On 6/27/06, mike scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 27 Jun 2006 at 7:27, Mr. Vega wrote: > hi, i've designed an ad for you, because i like openoffice.org and i want > others to try it :) > take a look > http://img8.picsplace.to/img8/17/testgif.gif > and i'll attach the other JPEG picture in my msg If there's to be /anything/ at all, please let it be in correct English. "for free" may be alluringly alliterative, but it is not idiomatic English. For free is perfectly correct. Lighten up, pal. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] Re: your ad doesn't deliever take this one instead
On 6/27/06, Ross Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I suspect that avoiding the word "free" altogether would be a good thing. Don't let Richard Stallman here you saying that! -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] info
It's not an either-or situation. OpenOffice.org is an open source piece of software, and therefore, people selling it is legal and encouraged. I do not believe that www-openoffice.org is affiliated with the OpenOffice.orgproject, at least not in an offical manner - but it is not fraudulant either. I didn't see anything fraudulant about their site. On 6/24/06, anthony phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I found a Website - www-openoffice.com and I am wondering if this is affiliated with openoffice.org, or is it a fraudulant website. Cheers, Anthony - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Music: Check out the gig guide for live music in your area -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/
Re: [users] openoffice on iMac
Hello, Text Edit is more than just a text editor. It's less like Notepad and more like WordPad. It has spellcheck, different fonts, paragraph alignment, and more. It can save files as Word DOCs, RTFs, TXT, and HTML. It's pretty powerful for being "just a text editor". That being said - I'd recommend AbiWord if you are looking for something more powerful than Text Edit and OpenOffice.org isn't working for you. AbiWord can be download from http://www.abiword.com/ HTH On 5/16/06, Andrew Fisk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Open Office.org is available for the intel macs -- text edit is just that, a text editor -- it was never intended to be a word processor -- Take a look in your Applications Folder, then in the iwork folder -- there is a word processor in there called Pages -- if you enjoy the whole Apple OSX interface, you will like Pages, if not it will drive you nuts! Good luck Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.spitcomp.com On May 15, 2006, at 10:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The system requirements for OpenOffice 2.0 on Mac OS X include > >Power Mac G3 400 MHz or higher > > However, my just-acquired iMac 17 has > >1.83 GHz Intel Core Duo processor > > I have a sneaking suspicion this means I can't (yet) get open > office. Am I (I hope) wrong? If I'm right, any idea how long > until a version good for me will be available? > > The TextEdit furnished with the Mac, at least on my initial trial, > seems to me to be a dreadful product. I'd much prefer to be using > Writer. > > Thanks, > > Virgil E. Vickers > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Got an Intel Mac Mini? Want one? http://minimacs.freepay.com/?r=29227644
Re: [users] Lesson Ideas
Inpics.net has some free books about OOo 2.0 that are full of screenshots. They are a very good resource. On 5/6/06, G. Roderick Singleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 12:46 -0500, TheLoneGoldfish wrote: > Hello, I'm teaching an Introduction to Computer Applications class > that will cover mostly Writer and Calc. I was wondering if anyone had > ideas for assignments I could give for the class. I just need some > real-worldish document ideas I can use to teach various aspects of the > software from. > > An example I've come up with include having the students write up a > checkbook in Calc. > > I'm having the most trouble coming up with examples for writer for some reason. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > Why not check out http://documentation.openoffice.org/ for manuals, HOW-TOs, Templates et cetera and use those as models for your lessons. If you need third party stuff, there's a link also there. -- PLEASE KEEP MESSAGES ON THE LIST. OpenOffice.org Documentation Co-Lead http://documentation.openoffice.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Got an Intel Mac Mini? Want one? http://minimacs.freepay.com/?r=29227644
Re: [users] hello, I am using Openoffice.org version 2.0. I am trying to print a legal size document and it keeps coming up as two pages in the preview and then when I print it. I need to know how to
omg this is freaking hilarious best subject line EVAR! On 4/26/06, paul flannery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Got an Intel Mac Mini? Want one? http://minimacs.freepay.com/?r=29227644
Re: [users] Just need writer
Hello Isaac, Thanks for your email, and for your interest in OpenOffice.org. There's no way to just download Writer, although you could download the whole suite and just install Writer. There are reasons for this, but suffice to say, you just can't do it. There is hope, however. AbiWord is a program that, like OpenOffice.org, is free, open source, cross-platform, MS-compatiblity, and can create ODF files. You can download AbiWord from http://www.abiword.com/ Hope that helps! - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Got an Intel Mac Mini? Want one? http://minimacs.freepay.com/?r=29227644 On 4/26/06, Isaac Schonfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have dial up and it will take forever to download the entire suite . > Is there a way to download just writer ? > Thank You
Re: [users] Trying to Understand OOo Mac OSX Development
On 4/26/06, Craig Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm just trying to see if I understand this correctly, because I am > much confused. > > There's a large group of people working on porting OOo to MacOSX. They > want to ultimately produce a Native OSX port (known as an Aqua port). > Ths necessarily begins with creating an MacOSX X11 port, which they > have done (and it works well, love it and I have no complaints) and > will continue to do so, "forever". X11 ports are a necessary and even > desirable first process. These are a Unix apps. > > A subset of this same group is working on the Aqua port. They use code > from the X11 version. This is very laborious and will always lag behind > the X11 version. This is task is so laborious that this project will > appear to be waay behind but this is because there is waay more work > involved. This is not (or won't be) a Unix app. > > There is another subset of the same large group that is working on a > MacTel version of OOo. This is also an X11 port but for the new Intel > Macs. This also a Unix app. This take PowerPC code and makes it X86 > code. This work will also be useful to the Aqua folks, as eventually > all Macs going forward will be Intel so the Aqua port will need to > MacTel too. > > Then there's a totally serparate group of people that took the X11 PPC > code and made a partially native Aqua, mostly Java app known as > NeoOffice. It too lags behind X11. I don't know much more about this > group. > > Is that pretty much the story so far? Yes. To learn more about NeoOffice and its group, just visit http://www.neooffice.org/ - there's a wiki there that describes what they are all about. They just released an alpha of their Aqua app that is based on the 2.0 version of OOo, (although you have to donate to get a copy at this point - on May 23, it will be free to the public). NeoOffice is also working on an Aqua version of 2.0 for the Intel Macs, which they expect to be out around June or so. http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2230 HTH -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Got an Intel Mac Mini? Want one? http://minimacs.freepay.com/?r=29227644
Re: [users] Re: OpenOffice for Macs?
Yes, there are versions of OpenOffice.org for Mac. The easiest one to install and the most Mac-native version is called NeoOffice - http://www.neooffice.org/ Hope that helps! - Chad Smith
Re: [users] OO again blows away MS
So I still don't see how this is any different than MS Office. You can scan something and have it go into MS Word. And there are plenty of free "Print to PDF" program out there. It's true that MS O doesn't come with any PDF stuff - and it's good that OOo does - but I wouldnt say that being able to scan something "blows MS away". What am I missing? On 3/31/06, Gregory Forster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I use OpenOffice 2.0.2 on my business computer at my home office. During > this time of year, I am also an employee and have another office which has > MSO 2003 on that computer. My boss uses another program (which he paid > dearly for) to scan documents into pdf files for clients. > > At my home office, I can scan the same type documents directly into OO > Writer, then save them as pdf files. I tried it, and it works slick! > > Go into OO Writer. Put your document in your printer. In OO, click > Insert/Picture/Scan. First make sure the right scan driver is > selected. Then scan the document. It pops right in OpenOffice > Writer. Then click the pdf icon to save it as a pdf file. > > Greg > > > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] OO again blows away MS
On 3/31/06, John Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chad Smith wrote: > > But is it text (editable / copyable) - or just a big picture? > > > > I thought the whole point of putting out a PDF was so that other people > won't edit it. > Um - no - if you just wanted to show someone something that they can't edit the content - just save it as a jpg. It would be smaller and easier to open. Sure someone could open it in paint or GIMPShop and edit the JPG - but they could do the same with a PDF - just take a screenshot - edit the screenshot - print as PDF. The point of it being a PDF is anyone can open it. PDFs can have blanks for people to fill in. Also, even if it is meant to be uneditable - having actual text in the PDF means someone can copy the text out of the PDF, in case they needed just some of the info - or if they wanted to add your contact information to their address book - stuff like that. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] OO again blows away MS
But is it text (editable / copyable) - or just a big picture? On 3/31/06, Gregory Forster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I use OpenOffice 2.0.2 on my business computer at my home office. During > this time of year, I am also an employee and have another office which has > MSO 2003 on that computer. My boss uses another program (which he paid > dearly for) to scan documents into pdf files for clients. > > At my home office, I can scan the same type documents directly into OO > Writer, then save them as pdf files. I tried it, and it works slick! > > Go into OO Writer. Put your document in your printer. In OO, click > Insert/Picture/Scan. First make sure the right scan driver is > selected. Then scan the document. It pops right in OpenOffice > Writer. Then click the pdf icon to save it as a pdf file. > > Greg > > > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Re: All Hell Has Broken Loose on My Computer!
Hugh wrote me off-list. He ran a registry editor without knowing what it does. He no longer thinks its a Microsoft conspiracy - and he appologized for cussing. On 3/29/06, Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This can also happens if you open a doc file from Explorer by right > clicking and finding the program to open it with, commonly the tick box > to make the association permanent is defaulted to on > > > OLMC > Simon Bryan > IT Manager > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > LMB 14 > North Parramatta > Direct Number:88381200 > SwitchBoard: 96833300 > fax: 98901466 > mobile: 0414238002 > > > > -Original Message- > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Engelsman > Sent: Wed, 29. March 2006 6:15 PM > To: users@openoffice.org > Subject: [users] Re: All Hell Has Broken Loose on My Computer! > > > Lars D. Noodén wrote: > > Some Windows users I know have mentioned that more than ocassionally > > 'patches' and 'upgrades' from MS will break file associations. > > > > Maybe those still using Windows can keep an eye open for such problems > > this year. If it turns out to be common, then this may be a topic to > be > > covered by the FAQ, if not elsewhere. > > > > I have MSO 2000 installed alongside OOo and I've never experienced this > problem. I would be interested to see if it depends on the version of > MSO that the user has installed. My thinking is that 2000 may be getting > > a little long in the tooth for a lot more automatic updates. > > -- > > Rod > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] All Hell Has Broken Loose on My Computer!
First of all - claim the f*** down and stop cussing us out. Cussing us out for something you blame Microsoft for won't do a darn thing to make it better. Maybe as a reporter you think yelling and fuming will get you the story you want - but on a volunteer help list - it will get you jack squat. Let me explain the problem. It's file associations. It's not all h*11 - it's just file associations. Worst case scenario - you open OpenOffice.org- click "File" then click "Open" then click your file. What-do-ya-know! Your file will open. That added, what, 3 clicks to your getting the file open? Yeah - all h*11 broke loose. Easy fix to make you not even have to do that. Right click on your file - click "Open With..." Click the box that says "Always use the selected program to open this kind of file" select OpenOffice.org from the list. If it's not on the list, click Browse, then find where you installed OOo. Probably C:/Program Files/OpenOffice2/program/soffice.exe or something like that. If that doesn't work - then run setup.exe for OOo and *THIS TIME* click the boxes that say "Associate these files with OpenOffice.org" for MS Word, MS Excel, and MS Powerpoint files. Now, do you have Microsoft Office, Microsoft Works, or Microsoft Word installed on your computer? Do you have Microsoft Update set to automatically update your software (or Windows Update)? Do you use / did you run any kind of Registry editor, spyware removal, or adware remover, or restore point for Windows? If you let Microsoft Office update itself, it is possible the file associations were reset when it ran the update. Same with the RegEdit, Spyware, Adware, or Restore things. They may have had a restore point that was set prior to you installing OOo. Another problem is if you edited your files at any point in MS Office, and chose their new MSO XML format instead of the classic doc xls and ppt - the new MSO XML formats, OOo can't edit. Whatever your problem with your computer may be - you don't have a right to scream at us. 1) We didn't f*** up your computer - you did. 2) You don't even think we f***ed up your computer - you think MS did (and we aren't them - and you are aware of that). 3) We are volunteers - so even if we *were* Microsoft, and Microsoft *did* f*** up your computer - *WE* didn't - we are here to help. 4) It's a darn computer, claim the f*** down and get a darn life. Hope that helps! On 3/28/06, Hugh Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What the hell is going on? > > I go to My Documents and find that almost every document that had been > in Open Office is now back in Microsoft Word and I'm having one hell > of a time getting my work done! > > I'm went and reinstalled OpenOffice 2 and still the damn documents are > in Word! Did those assholes at Microsoft find I was using OpenOffice > and screw up everything? > > I'm a former consumer investigative reporter for Post Newsweek TV and > do NOT need this aggravation! > > What I do to fix this ASAP? > > Thanks, > Hugh Simpson > > -- > Sign up for your FR** Emergency Preparedness Guide at > http://www.usprepared.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] E-mail attachments
Alrighty then. Did you have a question? Did you know that OpenOffice.org supports a wide array of other formats - like DOC, XLS, PPT, RTF, PDF, Flash, CSV, TSV, TXT. Feel free to use any of those formats when sending an attachment. On 3/24/06, Josef T Mather-Craddock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > odt documents failure as E-mail attachments. They remain obscure. > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Re: too hard to report bug
I assume this macro would automatically record the OOo version, the system's OS, and stuff like that, right? (I didn't see that in the orginial suggestion - just wondering if that was the thinking.) On 3/21/06, Henrik Sundberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2006/3/21, Andy Pepperdine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Tuesday 21 March 2006 13:58, Ross Johnson wrote: > > > One thing is for sure though - providing a good problem description, > > > clear reproducible steps and a sample test case will usually get your > > > report confirmed by the QA people more quickly, and that means a > > > developer will see it sooner. Beyond that I can't say. > > I really like this idea. Hope it's doable. > > > > > The difficulty is getting a good problem description. In my experience, > most > > users of any product need a special mindset to give such a description, > and > > if you ask two users to describe the same bug, you'll get two very > different > > answers. In our case, we are expecting them to know how to describe > something > > remotely. > > > > If I was talking to someone about an issue, I would try to establish: > > 1. What did you do to create the error? > > 2. What happened when you did that? > > 3. What did you expect to happen? > > This last one is important because it can often cause the user to > question > > their own assumptions and realise the problem for themselves. Not > always, > > certainly, but it may reduce the noise. > > I think the last question is very important for other reasons as well. > It makes it much easier for the developer to understand what the user > focused on and it is very useful for regression tests. > > > > > So I wonder whether instead of a single box for a description, we should > > divide it into three questions as above. Or perhaps just prime the box > with > > three questions in it already. I've never seen this tried, so I have no > idea > > how it would be received. > > I would be very happy with such a system. Both as a user and a > developer (not OOo developer). > > > > > One trivial thing though would be to reverse the version list so the > most > > recent are at the top (at least for Writer you've got to scroll down to > the > > bottom to find the most recent version). > > Don't understand what you talk about here. > > /$ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Re: too hard to report bug
On 3/21/06, Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I really pity the developers now. My guess is they would just ignore IZ > as it would be flooded with rubbish. May reality prevail... please > folks. > OH! I get it now. The confusing IZ is a kind of gatekeeper. Only those smart enough to pass the test of IZ are worthy to submit their bug reports. I mean, obviously, we don't want some riffraff M$-lUser to be able to communicate with the almighty coders. Nothing some lame-brain grandma has to say could possibly be of any import to the hallowed programmers. We don't want just *anybody* to be able to help the project! Heck no! They have to be computer savvy, technological, of above average intelligence, persistent, and able to read minds, since we hide any easy instructions (if they exist) on how to use IZ. We certainly don't offer any help to people wanting to file a bug report - we just mock them for being too stupid or too lazy to automagically figure it out. I mean, when the all-wise said "Many eyes make bugs shallow" - he *obviously* was only referring to brainiac geek-eyes - not to *heavens* "End lUsers". Just in case my sarcasm is lost on anyone - I do not actually feel this way - I am using satire to point out the folly in Michael's line of thinking. Or perhaps, better said - his arrogant elitest chauvinism. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Mac OSX / OO Questions
On 3/20/06, Jim Wickman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brand-spankin Newbie to OO. > > 1--How do I download OO 2.02? I clicked all the right buttons at the > Web site (or so I thought) but I got OO 2.0 You have the latest version for Mac. 2--How do I get any of the other modules besides Writer? I can't > find any menu that offers the selection. On the top menu bar, there is a swiggily icon with the bird silohette design n it. Click on that to reveal the drop down menu choices for the different modes. 3--Is there a "Check for Newer Version" feature available? No. Sorry. 4--I notice that OO has installed a few new fonts -- and that none of > the fonts I have chosen to be on my machine are listed. What gives? OOo uses the X11 windowing system. It's almost like a second OS just for OOo (and a few other programs) Think of it kinda like the old "Classic" mode. You have to install the fonts to X11 if you want to use them in OOo. I'm not sure how to do that though. I just use NeoOffice. http://www.neooffice.org/ - it's much easier. And they release patches, which you can sign up to be notified by email when a new version is available. It doesn't work on Intel Macs yet though. They should get that fixedin a month or 2. MySys: iMac Intel Core Duo/ 2Ghz 2GB RAM OSX 10.4.5 > OpenOffice 2.0 > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Re: too hard to report bug
On 3/20/06, CPHennessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uwe, > It may also be interesting to create a macro which would be installed by > default and available thru "Help" -> "Report a bug" which would step the > users thru reporting a bug. > That would be great! Good idea CPH! Have you filed an IZ enhancement request yet? ;-) -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
[users] Call for OOo 2.0.2 screenshots
Hi Everybody, This page: http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/ Linked from this (and I'm sure others) page: http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/index.html Has screenshots of OOo 2.0 beta - and nothing newer. It even has pictures of the 1.9.x builds - but nothing 2.0 final or higher. So we need to get some updated screenshots. After talking to Louis and Bernard on the Marketing list, I've created an issue for us to add a bunch of screensheets. I'm asking everyone who has the time and knows how to contribute screenshots. Here's the link. http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63382 >From the issue: The website doesn't have any screenshots for OpenOffice.org 2.0.0 or higher. We need some new screenshots of all modes (Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw, Math, Base) on all platforms in multiple languages doing different things. The more it shows off what OOo 2.0 can do - the better. Higher resolutions (1024 x 786 or higher) work best - but 800 x 600 is good, too. It would be especially good to show off the new Gnome / KDE intergration from 2.0.2 on Linux if possible. Also if anyone has promotional material in ODF formats for us to use as "backgrounds" in the screenshots - that would be good to have as well. I'm going to add that when you upload the images, please let us know, either in the description and/or the filename what operating system you are using (as specific as you want to be), what mode you are in (Writer/Calc/Draw/etc.), and what you are doing in the screenshot (mail merge, editing styles, adding images, etc.). Any and all contributions will be appreciated. Thanks in advance! -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
[users] Re: [discuss] Re: [users] OpenOffice and disabled users must learn to communicate
On 3/19/06, M. Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 13:17:29 PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Another part is lack of involvment of disabled persons. > [...] > > > If disabled people are unhappy with FOSS, they need to get involved. > > But they will never get involved until the FOSS community looks at the > problem in these terms. Or, more exactly, makes the effort to truly > understand the way everybody else (not just disabled ones) considers > software. Well - that's cutting at the very heart and soul of the open source movement. Do it yourself - convince someone to do it for you (with money, bardering, or excellent convincing skills) - or shut up. Making a good case for why something should be added, removed, or changed has nothing to do with making software actually come into existance. Look at the recent completely fruitless debate about easter eggs. Lots of people had a lot to say about the stupid easter eggs - but nothing changed. Unless you code it yourself or pay/convince someone else to - it's not going to change. Heck the only reason as many IZ bugs get fixed as they do is because Sun pays people to fix them. A vast majority of the coding for the successful open source projects (OOo, Firefox, even Linux) is done by paid programmers. Disabled people are not unhappy with FOSS. Ditto for most non disabled > computer users. They are simply unhappy with anything different than > what they already know how to use. If Massachusetts has said "we will > switch to FrameMaker or WordPerfect" they would have thrown the very > same tantrum. Period. I agree at least particially here. If Mass has said "All state officies must use MSOffice on MS Windows" - people would have gotten upset - even though well over half are doing so already. Any time a body says "you must use ___" - people complain. Part of it is about change. Part of it is about control. I don't think the tantrum would have been the same (the accessibility angle wouldn't have mattered when going from one priopriatary software with excellent accessiblity to another). But there would have been a tantrum. Other people, disabled or not, simply don't give a rat's ass about the > software license, and very often don't give a rat's ass about its > price. Read again what Pietrosanti and the others said. We spend hours > in these forums convincing each other that we have more freedom with > GPL stuff, and they just confirm that *all* their freedom, or lack > thereof, has NOTHING to do with software licenses. Absolutely. Very few people care about the licenses. On this list - the majority do - but this list is not representative of the world's population as a whole - or even computer users as a whole. We are a specialized group that choose to be associated with an open source project - that fact in itself makes our view different than the vast majority of the world. > I'm not saying all this is right, all the contrary. I have criticized > explicitly this attitude in the article. But until one denies that the > real problem is this, nothing serious will change. I'm confused by your last statement here. Could you explain or reword this paragraph? I'm just having problems understanding what you meant. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] NeoOffice Mac
On 3/19/06, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi. > I don't know whether this will help you but for 300 Euros, > you can get a really good machine running Linux or Windows. > We used macs but they seem slow, expensive and outdated. > Then you can have a really good database front end. > Are you being stupid on purpose - or did you use a Mac from 1984? Macs are not slower than Windows or Linux, especially now that they use Intel chips. Buying a whole new computer for one database is daft. If you want a database on Mac - use that $300 for FileMaker Pro. It's the best database for Mac, hands down. You either don't know squat about computers - or your trying to bait a flame. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] An example of a fake Microsoft "Get the Facts"?
On 3/19/06, Jonathon Coombes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Oh yuck! With no choice in what we get to use for these functions and > extra software to try and manage when changes are made to the other > areas of the project? I am one of those who are glad we dropped those > parts. Weren't you one of those who said the same thing about a Database - oh, about a year or so ago? I don't hear you complaining that they added a database. Just because OOo has Writer, doesn't mean I can't use AbiWord. Just because it has Calc, doesn't mean I can't use Excel. Just because it has Draw, doesn't mean I can't use Inkscape. There have been times in my past when I had the full version of Microsoft Office installed on my computer - and it was my main if not only office suite (this is some time back) - but I never used Outlook - why? because I liked Netscape better (back when it had email). I even used Netscape instead of IE. Just because an office suite comes with something doesn't mean you have to use only that program for that function. Adding features does in no way limit choice. Your argument is fundamentally flawed. Quite the contray - eliminating StarOffice Browser and StarOffice email (or whatever they were called) has *LESSENED* choice. I cannot chose to use OOo Email, because it doesn't exist. I have to chose something else. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] NeoOffice Mac
No - the current release of NeoOffice is based on OOo 1.1.5. The two volunteers that work on NeoOffice have said that a 2.0 based version should be available in the next month or two - and not long after that (by June) a Universal Binary release based on 2.x will be available (so it will run on IntelMacs). On 3/19/06, Read, Lance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > NeoOffice macintosh > > Is there no db "Base" component yet? > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] An example of a fake Microsoft "Get the Facts"?
On 3/19/06, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I may be miss-understanding the difference between the two products, but > isn't that part of what you still get for buying staroffice with real > money? That may be rhetorical as I haven't checked their site for a > feature list in at least a year now. No - there is no email client or browser or any addition "programs" included in StarOffice, as opposed to the free OpenOffice.org. What you are "paying for" is (1) professional support (2) Sun's corporate accountability (3) some templates (4) a whole lot of file format filters (mostly really old ones - and rare ones) and (5) the ability to patch new releases in instead of downloading and installing the whole suite again.. Of course, if you are a student, teacher, or otherwise in the education field - you can get all that for free. StarOffice is free for educational users. Frankly, I fooled with 5.2 a wee bit, and wasn't impressed in the least > with the mail agent. Even then, kmail blew it right out of the water. > Then I didn't get back into this till about 1.2, and at that point it > was a whole new ball game, so I'd assume that the browser and email > agent in staroffice has now been gussied up considerably, no doubt by > borrowing heavily from FOSS to do it. Not at all - they've been completely removed - not updated. Considering what Sun has given > us with the current openoffice, that doesn't bother me a bit. Somebody > has to make payroll at the end of the week. > yeppers. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] An example of a fake Microsoft "Get the Facts"?
On 3/19/06, Jonathon Coombes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Chad, Hello. I can see why you would suggest that argument, but the issue I have > with that is that the original StarOffice which was released was very > different to the OpenOffice.org that is in use now. Before you make > the comment that is was based on the late 1990's, the case study > talks about converting to MS Office in 2005, not in 1990's, which is > their comparison. As you say, they may simply group them together, > but I would say that OpenOffice.org in 2005 was very different to > StarOffice 5.2 as a product. Yes - and MSO 2003 is different than MSO 98. But whenever you do a case study - that case study is stuck in time. You can't always predict future behavior or results on past performance - unfortunately, that's all we mere mortals got to work with. In a lot of ways, I wish OOo was more like the old StarOffice - with the browser, the email client, and all that other stuff they got rid of. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] An example of a fake Microsoft "Get the Facts"?
I listed not one, but 2 links to answer that very question people - please read the thread before asking already answered questions. On 3/19/06, Kirill S. Palagin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Was Startoffice ever free? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chad Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:33 AM > > To: users@openoffice.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [users] An example of a fake Microsoft "Get the Facts"? > > > > On 3/19/06, Fred A. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The URL is dated May 25, 2004. Microsoft quotes JUKEBOX > > as claiming > > > that > > > they supposedly switched claims they migrated to OpenOffice in the > > > late 1990's. > > > > > > > > > > Sun didn't release the proprietary StarOffice 5.2 source code > > to the Open > > > Source community until Oct 13, 2000 > > > > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/10/13/001013hnstaroffice.h > > > tml > > > > > > StarOffice by StarDivision also had free releases that were > > available in the late 90s. > > > > http://linuxgazette.net/issue09/staroffice.html > > > > http://www.ecn.wfu.edu/~plug/mail_archive/9811/0091.html > > > > Since OpenOffice.org *is* the updated free version of the > > StarOffice from the late 1990s - it is fair to use the same > > name for both products. > > > > -- > > - Chad Smith > > http://www.gimpshop.net/ > > http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ > > Because everyone loves free software! > > http://www.chadwsmith.com/ > > Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now... > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] An example of a fake Microsoft "Get the Facts"?
On 3/19/06, Fred A. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The URL is dated May 25, 2004. Microsoft quotes JUKEBOX as claiming > that > they supposedly switched claims they migrated to OpenOffice in the late > 1990's. Sun didn't release the proprietary StarOffice 5.2 source code to the Open > Source community until Oct 13, 2000 > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/10/13/001013hnstaroffice.html StarOffice by StarDivision also had free releases that were available in the late 90s. http://linuxgazette.net/issue09/staroffice.html http://www.ecn.wfu.edu/~plug/mail_archive/9811/0091.html Since OpenOffice.org *is* the updated free version of the StarOffice from the late 1990s - it is fair to use the same name for both products. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Re: too hard to report bug
On 3/17/06, Matt Needles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If someone WANTS to see bugs fixed, he'll take the troubles to get the bug > reported in adequate terms so it can be fixed. > That's not a true statement - or a good additude. Just because someone has difficulty with IZ doesn't mean they don't want OOo to succeed. And, conversely, just because someone really wants OOo to improve doesn't mean they should have to bang their head against the wall for hours trying to figure it out. I have filed IZ reports before. I didn't think it was terribly difficult - but I was able to ignore all the stuff that didn't apply to me. Some people see all those drop down menus and get confused, frustrated, and/or give up. Not because they don't care - but because they are users - not programmers, and they don't think like programmers. IMHO, the IZ interface should be user-focused - not programmer focused. The reports the programmers see can be programmer focused - but the place you file the reports should be user focused. And, that means of course - it's not the same page (like it is now. Bad design there.). -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Anyone else getting MAILER-DAEMON messages from sbns.net?
I finally created a filter for that address. On 3/16/06, Keith Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:42:16 -0500 > "G. Roderick Singleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > yes... and this will generate more! > > It seems to happen when you post to the list- obviously the address is > subscribed but no longer valid. > > -- > God bless you, > > > Keith Bates > 4 Mooloobar St > Narrabri NSW 2390 > > Phone: 02 67924890 > Fax: 02 67925418 > > www.new-life.org.au > > If you don't have a reason to live > > JESUS IS THE ANSWER! > > Ask him into your life today... > He really does make a difference. > > ----- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Downloaded Today
Hi Dorothy, On 3/16/06, Dorothy Nappier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > Im having the same problem, but I have n clue what operating system or > even how to find out, can you help a stone rookie? Thanks Dorothy > The easiest way to check your operating system is to reboot your computer and watch what screen comes up. I'm guessing from your MSN email address - you are using some form of Windows. Just to clarify, an operating system is what tells your computer how to work - how to operate. There are many different ones - but 3 main groups that are used for desktop computers. The most popular is Windows. The next is Macintosh (Mac / Apple). The other group is Linux/Unix. (Technically, the newer versions of Mac are based on Unix - but in practice, Mac is its own group.) Within those groups - there are many different editions, distros, releases, etc. Like for Windows, there's the different main releases - Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT, Windows XP. And then there's the sub-releases - Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows XP Home Service Pack 2, Windows 2003 Server Enterprize Edition Service Pack 1 It can get pretty complicated. What someone usually wants when they ask for your operating system is which of the 3 main groups, Windows, Mac, or Linux - And maybe which main release withing that group (Windows XP, Mac OS X Tiger, Red Hat Linux). I'm going to "go out on a limb" here and say you are probably using Windows XP. I say that because, again, you are using an MSN email address - and you say you are a new user - so that means the computer is probably new - and all new Windows computers have Windows XP (it's the latest main release.) But if you reboot your computer, you can know for sure. Don't worry about all the little things that pop up - at some point, the whole screen should have nothing but the name of your operating system. If you are using Windows XP - you can just right-click on "My Computer" and then click "Properities" and it should tell you there. The "My Computer" icon should be either on your desktop in the top left corner - or in the start menu. I hope that helps! -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Excel Vulnerability
On 3/15/06, G. Roderick Singleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But why would you ask as OOo is as different from MSO as > night is from day? Maybe the night and day in early September in Northern Alaska. MSO and OOo are very similiar. In fact, many use that very fact to "sell" OOo. Please do not arrogantly insult users with your prograndizing lies. OOo and MSO are both software packages that run on Windows that offer word processing, spreadsheets, and presentation programs. They are both capable of producing files that the other can open. They are both used to do similar things - write reports, create memos, produce posters, make charts, presentations, graphs, spreadsheets, fax cover letters, books, homework, the list goes on and on. Some have suggested that they share a similiar user interface - so much so that some have said it is easier to switch from an older or current version of MSO to OOo than it will be to switch from an older or current version of MSO to the next version of MSO. They are far more similiar than they are different. Yes - OOo is free and MSO is expensive. Yes - OOo is cross-platform and MSO is not (the Mac version of MSO is a program especially writen for Mac - not a port). Yes - OOo is open source, MSO is propriatary and closed. Yes - OOo uses a different Macro language than MSO. None of that means they couldn't share a flaw. And even if it did - that's no reason to insult a user and attempt to make them look less intelligent than you. Please learn some social skills. You are making OOo look bad - again. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] I am using Windows XP professional - My Question( i have a fully blown Microsoft Offie ( the Works) Will OpenOffice co-exist with no interplay nor with interacting problems
OpenOffice.org will not effect your install of MS Office. The only thing you might want to be aware of is - when you install OpenOffice.org - it will ask you if you want to associate MS Office file formats with OOo. Just don't check those boxes then you'll be fine. Even if you do check those boxes, all that will do is make your MS Office files default to open in OOo, (which can easily be changed back). On 3/13/06, Vern Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am using Windows XP Professional.. My question is-- I have a fully blown > Microsoft Office system , the complete Microsoft Office Package which I use > and I want to know can I download OPenOffice 2.0 and it have it coexist > and not interact with Microsoft Office program or data files and the > reverse be true also.? > I am a retired Remington Rand Univac , then worked Burroughs Large > Systems and retired as Unisys 1990. I am interested in trying it for > interest. Thank you. > Thank You > Vern Olson > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Mac copy paste controls not Mac-like
NeoOffice is a Mac port of OpenOffice.org. It uses Mac commands. http://www.neooffice.org/ On 3/13/06, Joe Hogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I just realized this mornign while working on a document that OO does > not use the same general keyboard functions that all Mac programs use > when it comes to copy-paste. > > We are used to apple-c or apple-v or apple-x for copy and pasting. > > Why does the Mac version of the program have Windows like commands? We > are forced to use control... > > Even Word took the time to become Mac like... > > Thanks > > Joe > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Linux desktop adoption barriers: Microsoft Office may out-feature OpenOffice, but...
On 3/10/06, G. Roderick Singleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 07:18 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote: > > > http://searchopensource.techtarget.com/columnItem/0,294698,sid39_gci1171827,00.html > > > > Sounds interesting. Could you update the link as the one you sent is no > longer available. Works fine for me... On Mac and Windows (Firefox both times). -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Microsoft says Open Office.org 10 years behind
On 3/9/06, Max Haltermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Why would you need a help desk, when you can ask > users@openoffice.org ? > The same reason peopl need a help desk where there's the Microsoft Knowledge Base http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;KBHOWTO And the dozens or hundreds of Microsoft forums out there. Some people don't know how to use forums or knowledge bases or users list. Sometimes you have questions that volunteer users don't know the answers to. Sometimes its easier to call someone, especially if that person is trained in helping people with tech questions. If people took the time to find the answers for themselvs - teachers, psychologists, lawyers, consultants, and a lot of other people would be out of a job. Providing quick access to publically available information is a very profitable and very useful business. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software! http://www.chadwsmith.com/ Because, admit it, you've got nothing better to do right now...
Re: [users] Microsoft says Open Office.org 10 years behind
On 3/8/06, Mixu Lauronen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I believe that most CEOs understand that paying 1000 more now to teach > the employers the principles in order to avoid paying 1 in the > future to teach everything again when updating pays off in the long run. > You must have stopped reading before the next paragraph. (I have graciously given myself permission to quote me.) "Before someone starts on the "they need to think long term" stuff about how if you teach basic principles, you won't need to reteach every upgrade need to realize employees are expendable and interchangable. The staff I train with basic principles when we upgrade to 2003 won't be the same staff I have when I upgrade to 2007. Teach them how to do the job I need done right now - forget the rest. " -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Microsoft says Open Office.org 10 years behind
On 3/8/06, Mixu Lauronen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Using office applications effectively isn't about learning the order of > menus and menu selections or keystrokes. It is about understanding the > basic principles of, say, Windows programs in general and the basics of > spreadsheeting and word processing - which apply to every single > application of that kind. You say it "isn't about" memorizing keystrokes, etc. - you are wrong. That is what is it's about. That might not be what it *should be* about, but that's where it is. And I don't blame the teachers, at least not entirely, a lot of people don't want to learn "The basic principles" of anything. They just want to know "What do I need to do to create the reports I need to create?" I have a friend who works on computers 40 hours a week. He has a techie kind of job - he creates PDFs using Adobe Acrobat - organizes them according to a complex numbering system, places them on a secure server, and then updates the corporate website to reflect the changes he has made. He is a college graduate, and pretty smart. He's also young - 25 years old. Now - this guy doesn't know anything about MSO or Adobe or web design or servers beyond what he has to do for work. They did some upgrades from MSO XP to MSO 2003 in his office last year (yeah, they're a bit behind), and he couldn't stop talking about how much better 2003 was than XP. I asked him what was so improved about it. He stopped talking. After a pause he said "I really like the new color!" I wanted to cry. Here is an intelligent, educated, highly-paid (at least much more than me), young guy with a computer job - and he doesn't know jack about computers beyond what he has to know. I'd say he's pretty representative of the average corporate user. They know how to type reports, send emails, make a spreadsheet, surf the web, and shop on ebay - that's about it. Basic principles mean nothing to them. They just know if they click the blue "e" they can look at stuff online, and if they click the blue W they can type stuff. Maybe I should start training people in these issues... > Best of luck with that - but I doubt it will work, and here's a couple reasons why... CEOs don't want to pay for more training than they need to. Teaching basic principles will take longer and therefore cost more (because of teacher fees and loss of productivity from the trainees) than teaching keystrokes and menu orders. Workers don't want to learn more than they need to. People don't care about the why or how - they just care about do this to make this happen. Before someone starts on the "they need to think long term" stuff about how if you teach basic principles, you won't need to reteach every upgrade need to realize employees are expendable and interchangable. The staff I train with basic principles when we upgrade to 2003 won't be the same staff I have when I upgrade to 2007. Teach them how to do the job I need done right now - forget the rest. I wish people understood more about the basic principles, too. It would make my job a lot easier (web designer and only IT staff in my office). But from a CEOs stand point, or a board of directors, or shareholders - it doesn't make sense to train for that - just "teach the test" and move on. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Re: Microsoft says Open Office.org 10 years behind
On 3/7/06, Max G. Kluth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > : Another problem with your thinking is that you assume there will be an > : upgrade for OpenOffice.org. Seriously, who is to say there will be? > > The programmers. With their blood of their hearts. LOL! OMG! You got to be kidding me! "The blood of their hearts"??!?!? That doesn't even make sense. Do a quick search of Sourceforge - tell me how many projects there are - then find out how many are still in alpha - then tell me how many of those alpha projects are more than 2 years old. Tell me how many active projects there are, and how many inactive. The simple fact is - there have been thousands of opn source projects, and thousands of them just go away. People give up - they change focus - they get married - they get divorced - they get kids - they stop spending hours slaving away at a computer just to write something to give away. In this vary project, I've seen people who devoted 40 + hours a week to OpenOffice.org just quit. They move on to another project. They get their feelings hurt and jump ship. The same stuff can happen with a job, don't get me wrong, but there is a driving factor that keeps people coming back to work, even if a coworker made fun of their accent. It's called a paycheck. It's called "I got to eat this month." It's called greed. It's called self-preservation. Whatever you call it - people work for money. Volunteers can't be *made* to do anything - they are volunteers (it's kinda the definition). The only reason OpenOffice.org has had the success it has had is because it was run by a company from day one. Look at Mozilla - it started as Netscape - a company designed to make money. And it has come full circle, there is now a Mozilla Corporation - a for-profit business that runs the show. OpenOffice.org is run by Sun Microsystems. 80% or more (prolly much more - like 90%) of the coding of OOo is done by paid Sun employees. Even Linux is run mostly by companies - IBM, Novell, Sun. Blood of their hearts - please! If it wasn't for businesses - there wouldn't be an OpenOffice.org. It started life as a business, and is maintained by a business. (From the Wikipedia article on OOo - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#History Originally developed as proprietary<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software>office suite > StarOffice <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice> by the German company > StarDivision <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarDivision>, the code was > purchased in 1999 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999> by Sun Microsystems. > In August 1999 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_1999> version 5.2 of > StarOffice was made available free-of-charge. On July 19 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_19>, 2000<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000>, > Sun Microsystems announced that it was making the source code of StarOffice > available for download under both the Lesser General Public > License<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_General_Public_License>(LGPL) and > the Sun > Industry Standards Source > License<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Industry_Standards_Source_License>(SISSL) > with the intention of building an open source development community > around the software. The new project was known as OpenOffice.org, and its > website went live on October 13 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_13>, > 2000 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000>. However, despite that business backing, it's not nearly as strong of a backing as Microsoft backs MSO. The reason is layered. MS needs MSO to stay profitable. Therefore it will do everything in its power to support MSO. Sun doesn't need OOo - it may need StarOffice - but not OOo. OOo generates no income for Sun - at least not directly. And it is certainly not it's cashcow. Another reason is most businesses don't know that OOo is primarily run by a business - they just assume, as you seemed to, that OOo is writen by the blood of the hearts of programmers in their garages toiling away for hours for free. You feel free to start your "I'll look up the answers online" OOo support service. Well see how much that puts CEOs worries to rest. Have a good one. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Microsoft says Open Office.org 10 years behind
On 3/7/06, Howard Coles Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Your focus is too narrowed. There's StarOffice, which you can pay 75 > bucks a > seat for and get support, by a business. I'm sorry - is this the StarOffice users list? I'm not talking about StarOffice, or Luxitive Office, or OpenOffice995, or SolidOffice, or IBM Workspace, or any other for-fee OOo derivitive - I'm talking about OpenOffice.org - the free, open source, cross-platform office suite. Truth is, support is available. > Not only that, but you assume OOo is what you'll always have to use, not > so. That's what we're discussing - that's what this list is about, OpenOffice.org. There's money in the > pocket now (savings per seat from MS noting that training is a wash > because > either way you ARE going to do that), and money for the future. Figure > that! Training is *not* a wash. As I and others have pointed out in this thread already - retraining the location of a few buttons and options from one version of MSO to the next is one thing - retraining a entirely new way of handling Mail Merge, bullets, lists, outlines, macros (which can't be transfered - they have to be rewriten), etc. when you switch from MSO to OOo is a different story. The cost will be more for OOo, because there is far more to learn. Just because Bold, Italics, and Underline work the same way, doesn't mean the whole program is the same. As many on this list were so fond of saying about a year ago - OOo is *not* an MSO clone - the structure is different, the layout is different, and the advanced features are way different. And if you are a part of a company that only looks at today, it must really > stink, and probably will not be around long anyway. Why? Because > businesses > are like people, those who think of today only die tomorrow. There's a difference between looking as far down the road as possible and having sensible plans for the future. When taken to extremes, neither is good. If I *only* look at today, you're right, my rent money, my grocery money, my insurance - all that cash would be spent on an impomptu vaction heck, I would just move. I got plenty of stuff to sell that I'm not using at the moment, I could just sell it all and fly to Hawaii! I just need a one way ticket - I just want to get there. If I *only* look at the future - I won't meet my immediate needs. I know I am hungry now, but if I eat that sandwich, I won't have it for tomorrow. And I will be *really* hungry tomorrow, because I am not going to eat today, to make sure I have enough for later. The point is, you can't do only just one. And obviously there are tens of thousands of businesses that have been in business a long time, that are still in business, that for some reason think MSO is a better investment. These companies are not dropping dead. I don't know for sure - but probably a good deal of the Fortune 500 companies use MSO. (I say that based on the law of averages - when MSO is 95% or more of the market share, there's a good chance most of the companies on the Fortune 500 use it too.) -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Microsoft says Open Office.org 10 years behind
On 3/7/06, Robin Laing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Chad, your comments here are exactly what I was getting at before > about people losing productivity and wanting their old product back. > You put it in words that I cannot. Good point. In one email I say I've never heard someone complain they want the old version - in the next I give a humorous (maybe?) personal example of just that. I guess I was thinking more long term, like I've never heard someone 6 months after using program 5.0 want to go back to program 4.0. But you are right, I just proved your point that I disagreed with less than an hour ago. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Microsoft says Open Office.org 10 years behind
On 3/7/06, Howard Coles Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Fact 1: you WILL spend the same amount in "lost productivity" because of > "training" if you are upgrading to a new version of MS Office, especially > if > they have changed enough around to confuse folks. While the amount may be > some bit smaller, you still have an amount, and it needs to be factored > in. > I think what you'll find is that training someone to use OOo doesn't cost > all > that much more than training them to use MSO 12. There will be some training either way (either organized training, or trial and error training) of course - but the MS argument is that it is less when going from MSO n to MSO n+1 than going from MSO n to OOo x. Fact 2: This message demonstrates (by way of example, not that the post is > suffering from this) the complete lack of long term thinking that screws > up > major businesses today. Most people (myself included) are guilty of sacrificing the longterm on the alters of the immediate. In fact, I have a saying that guides my life - money now is always worth more than money later. That's why I pay Uncle Sam every year instead of having him pay me. I want my money as I earn it - not held up for me until next year. The point is, many firms operate under the same kind of thought process - yes, I could spend $5 today to possibly save me $100 next year, but I need the $5 now more than the 100 later. Another problem with your thinking is that you assume there will be an upgrade for OpenOffice.org. Seriously, who is to say there will be? It's all done by volunteers (in theory, I know most coding is done by Sun employees). What if nobody decides to keep working on it? Can you guarentee me that there will be an OpenOffice.org 3.0? How about 5.0? I have Billions of reasons to believe that there will be a Microsoft Office 13 and even a 15. Businesses understand businesses. And even with all the backstabbing that goes on, businesses trust businesses. Because businesses understand what drives other businesses - and that is Money. OOo isn't driven by money, so how can a business trust it when it doesn't understand its motivation? So there is a "big picture" long-term thinking at work here - just not the kind you are thinking of. Another problem is a lack of support. What 800 number do you call at 2 am on Saturday night to get tech support for your 500 seats of OpenOffice.org? I know the one to call if it's a problem with MSO. Granted it will cost me $35 a hour (or more) to call them - but it's there. It's not as simple as it looks. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Microsoft says Open Office.org 10 years behind
On 3/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Lars, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. > > > > Ah, OK, spoken like a true apologist. ;) What's your proposed solution? > > Patience, perseverence, and a 20% across-the-board reduction in the size > of developer egos in the OSS world. ROTFL!!! I don't know if it's so much the developers egos as the egos of whoever is on the forums and mailing lists. OpenOffice.org is one of the best (as in, the least amount of ego) about this - but some of the other lists and forums I've been on - boy howdy are there some big heads out there. If you can't code and compile your own OS in less than 30 seconds - you're not worthy of their time. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Perpetual Calendar V3.0
Yeah, it was a bit hard to find - it's here: http://www.dcsi.net/~denmarks/perpcal.html You have to click "Show/Hide menu" and then "perpetual calendar". I have a question / suggestion. Is there anyway to make the calendar where it's printable? I have to squish the columns quite a bit to get the calendar to fit on a 8.5" x 11" sheet of paper. I'm not complaining. I really like the calendar, and I appreciate your work. But since you seem to like to tweak, I thought I'd give you a project. :-) On 3/7/06, John Boyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To Mr. Marks: First, how does one get your Calendar downloaded to OOo so > that it can be used? I did download it once but could NOT get it to come > up in OOo. Now, I no longer have the download nor its url. :-) > > Dennis Marks wrote: > > I keep making changes to my perpetual calendar just to see what can be > done > > in a spreadsheet without using macros. Any advice would be appreciated. > I > > just added the ability to select which observances to display by type. > It > > would be nice to add foreign observances (non US) with the ability to > select > > which country to display. If you have a set of observances for your > country > > I may consider adding them. I have only been able to find bank holidays > > which are too limited to be worth adding. > > > > My web site is http://www.dcsi.net/~denmarks/ > > > > > > ----- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Microsoft says Open Office.org 10 years behind
On 3/7/06, Lars D. Noodén <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Outlook is bundled, not distributed separately. not true - http://froogle.google.com/froogle_cluster?q=outlook&pid=1848998505155356156&oid=11546009940788447688&btnG=Search+Froogle&ei=8_ANRNjeN7mwkwGHwKm9Cw&sig2=v8maM721dHz-744DzPjBIA&scoring=mrd *http://tinyurl.com/fwm7s* 90% or more of your non-power > users won't notice the difference with OOo. You are totally dilluding yourself if you belive that. I have a very "non-power user" for a boss, and he freaked out when I let his Powerbook update his iTunes. All it did was change the background color and move a button or two. To be clear - it's the same program - the same major version of the program (something like 5.3 to 5.6 or something like that) - and he called me up and basically accussed me of sabotaging his laptop because "it is different!". You move some people's icons on their desktop, and they can't function - notice, just move them - not change them, not rename them, not delete them - just MOVE them. So you change an entire office from MSO to OOo 2.0 - somebody *will* notice, and a lot more than 10%. They will notice and complain. They will freak out. You can't just go around changing people's computers without letting them know. I'm all for switching to OOo - but you'd better do some training first before you switch someone's office suite. That's my point. The difference for the user between MSO XP or 2003 and > MS 2007 is much larger than between MSO XP or 2003 and OOo 2. I don't agree with this. I know what you mean, but what you said isn't accurate. The difference between MS Word XP and/or MS Word 2003 and OOo 2.0Writer is less than the difference between MS Word XP or 2003 and MS Word 2007. That's a true statement. But because MS Office has Outlook, Access, Frontpage, Publisher, etc. - and OOo doesn't - I'd say the difference is bigger for OOo. If you keep Outlook and just switch MS Word, Excel, and Powerpoint to OOo - then you'd have less of a change. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Microsoft says Open Office.org 10 years behind
On 3/7/06, Robin Laing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For users around here, 10 years behind is an improvement if "they" can > "control" what the software "does" to their work. That's not a good argument for OOo, by any means. If that is the case - why use OOo when MS Office 97 is still around? I can't see this as a good thing for OOo. MS Office is a big > problem with many workers around here. They cannot get the formatting > to work the way they want and need. There are those times that MS > Office decides to change the formatting of a document and won't undo. Autocorrect and Autoformat can be turned off in any version of MSO. Have you ever heard a grown man scream after 3 hours of work just > went down the tubes because of this? It isn't pleasant. Um? He worked for 3 hours without saving? That's not MS's fault. Sure MS is making many major changes in their next version of Office > but if the reports are correct, it won't sell with workers if their > productivity is greatly affected. It will sell, regardless of any temporary productivity hits - simply because it's the latest, greatest version of MS Office. Workers don't buy software - IT techs and CEOs do. IT techs can only buy what corporate lets them - so they will buy MSO 2007, since "no one ever gets fired for buying Microsoft". How many workers will complain and > want to go back to the "Old Version?" I've never heard that complaint. To promote OOo you focus on what it *can* do - not what it can't. This article brings out a point I've been talking about for years on these lists. MSO focuses on the corporate users - the "Upper Tier" as some would say - and the users trickle down from there. By giving the corporate types what they want - MSO lets everyone get what they want (except Linux users, of course). According to the marketing machines, MSO can do everything the simple end user needs to get that report typed, and everything the CEO needs for his business. Having "useless bloat" isn't much of a problem for the end user, since the average PC today has Gigs of storage to spare. Plus, you can install as much or as little as you want. There are things MSO can do that OOo can't. The reverse is also true. That's what we need to focus on - what OOo can do that MSO can't. (PDF/Flash export, cross-platform continuality, no registration/legal hassels, free, open source, open format, etc..) -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Apple
On 3/6/06, Sue Haag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can this program be used by Apple computers? > Thanks > There is a port of OpenOffice.org for Mac - it's called NeoOffice. You can download it from this website - http://www.neooffice.org/ - It's free, easy to install, and full featured. Enjoy! -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Why Are You Using MSI?
Why does it matter? It installs - who cares how? If you hate Microsoft - don't use Windows. On 3/3/06, Fraser Doswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Are there any binary non-msi installations available? > > Building from source anywhere is my preferred option, > but proving an nsis version or non-msi dependent installation > in addition to the msi version would be a great 3rd option. > > Fraser Doswell > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Please unsubscribe me!!
maybe you want to check that you are sending it from the email you signed up on - we can't unsubscribe you if we don't know where you are getting the emails any more than you can unsubscribe you from an email that isn't signed up. So if you have an email that gets forwarded to you - then you have to send the unsub from *that* addy - not from the one you've been sending it from. On 3/3/06, Gareth Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What do I need to do to get unsubscribed? This is the fourth time I've > e-mailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] > GC > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] office downloaded onto mac computer?
iWork doesn't come free on new Macs - a 60 day trial does on some, but the full version isn't free on any of them. AppleWorks does come free on a few - and it has a word processor. TextEdit is included with all new Macs, because it's a part of the operating system. TextEdit can do some simple word processing - it's similiar to WordPad for Windows - only better, because it's sleeker, slimmer, and faster - and it's on a Mac. :-) The best option is NeoOffice. http://www.neooffice.org/ - but we are beating a dead horse here - the OP replied to me off-list saying she'd go with NeoOffice. I also sent her links to a bunch of other open source software for Mac (AbiWord, Firefox, Nvu, etc.). On 3/1/06, Andrew Fisk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess I should start by telling you you came to the wrong place -- > this is a support list for a product called Open Office.org an open > source program that is compatible with, and offers many of the same > functions as Microsoft Office. Even worse -- there is not a stable > version of Open Office that will run on the new Intel based Macs. So > you have a couple of choices -- as a student you can buy Microsoft > Office at a steep discount -- check your local CompUSA or the dealer > where you are buying your Mac. Another alternative would be to use > the free word processor that comes with your Mac -- It's part of the > iWork package called Pages and I think it is great -- you can save > files in MS-Word format so you can exchange them with your > instructors, etc. > > Good luck > > Andy > Spitfire Computer Services > 441 Beaver Street > Suite 202 > Sewickley, PA 15143 > Phone (412) 749-0162 > Fax: (412) 749-0203 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.spitcomp.com > > On Feb 28, 2006, at 4:10 PM, Princesa Mendoza wrote: > > > Hello. I am going to purchase the new Mac Apple notebook. I would > > like to > > know if I could download this software onto that computer. Am I > > allowed to > > download or install any Microsoft program onto Mac? I am going to need > > Microsoft word b/c I am currently enrolled in college. Thank you. > > > > > > > > Princesa E. Mendoza > > > > Loan Processor > > > > Baldwin Financial, LLC > > > > 841 F. Quince Orchard Blvd., Gaithersburg, MD 20878 > > > > work (240) 268-0700 X 213 > > > > fax(240) 268-0699 > > > > cell (240) 793-2629 > > > > > > > > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] office downloaded onto mac computer?
Hi Princesa, I believe you are a bit confused. This is OpenOffice.org - not Microsoft. Microsoft is our biggest competitor. We do not offer any Microsoft products here. What we do offer is a full featured, MS compatible office suite that runs on many operating systems. If you'd like a free office suite for your new Mac, just visit http://www.neooffice.org/ and download the free port of OpenOffice.org to the Mac. OpenOffice.org (and NeoOffice) offer, free of charge, all the software you will need for college. A word processor, a spreadsheet, a presentation program, and more. You can create and edit MS Word documents, MS Excel spreadsheets, and MS Powerpoint presentations. You can also create PDFs and Flash animations. If all you need is a simple word processor, Text Edit will come with your new Mac, and can create simple MS Word documents. There is also AbiWord - http://www.abiword.com/ - which is a free word processor that runs on Mac (and many other operating systems). There is no legal way to get Microsoft Office for free, unless someone buys it for you as a gift. I hope that clears things up. On 2/28/06, Princesa Mendoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello. I am going to purchase the new Mac Apple notebook. I would like to > know if I could download this software onto that computer. Am I allowed to > download or install any Microsoft program onto Mac? I am going to need > Microsoft word b/c I am currently enrolled in college. Thank you. > > > > Princesa E. Mendoza > > Loan Processor > > Baldwin Financial, LLC > > 841 F. Quince Orchard Blvd., Gaithersburg, MD 20878 > > work (240) 268-0700 X 213 > > fax(240) 268-0699 > > cell (240) 793-2629 > > > > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Congratulations
please don't feed the troll On 2/28/06, Richard Draucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can stop now. OpenOffice has finally achieve parity with MS > Word. Someone sent me a document with 2 pages, the second of which is > blank. All I want to do is delete that second page before exporting the > document to PDF format. > > Right click, select "Page/Delete" or "Delete/Page"??? Nah, that would be > too obvious. How is it done? I have no idea. I give up. You've clearly > succeeded in making OpenOffice just as totally useless as MS Word. > > Thanks, I'll be going back to Abiword now. > > Richard Draucker > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] OS X install problems
On 2/19/06, Ross Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If that's the case, then NeoOffice are free to take from OOo but, > effectively, OOo can't take from Neo. > Which is why it's stupid to have 2 projects - if everyone just worked on NeoOffice, there wouldn't be a need for "OOo to take from Neo" - since Neo would be the only version of OOo for Mac. The LGPL allows Sun (and others) to make comerical versions of OOo without publishing the source. Since Sun has no interest in making a Mac version of StarOffice (since they haven't made one since they bought StarOffice however many years ago) they shouldn't have a problem with their not being an "official" LGPL'ed OOo for Mac. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] OS X install problems
I am cross-posting with the hopes of moving this thread to discuss@openoffice.org where it now belongs (if it is to continue) On 2/19/06, Pavel Janík <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OpenOffice.org Mac OS X porting team would be happy to accept any work > making the OpenOffice.org even better on Mac OS X, but unfortunately we > can't simply grab the enhancements made for Neo. There are two types of > reasons: technical and license issues. Technical issues are solvable by > both teams but unfortunately OpenOffice.org team can't do anything with > license issue because we (the Mac OS X porting team) are bound by the > OpenOffice.org license which is GNU LGPL right now. Let me ask you this, Pavel - you seem upset at NeoOffice for being GPL (or maybe at OOo for being LGPL). You also seem to think that NeoOffice is better for native Mac users. Since Sun has no interest in StarOffice for Mac (as evidenced by its non-existance), why do we need both projects? How many people are working on the X11 port? 5, 10, 15? Are you all volunteers? If so, then why not ditch the X11 port, and everyone work together on NeoOffice. If the X11 port is needed (and many claim it is) for NeoOffice to continue - then just work on it all as NeoOffice - do the X11 thing to get to the point where the Cocoa thing can take over. Why do we need two projects - it's spliting resources and causing confusion and hurt feelings. If everyone would just work on NeoOffice - there'd be no problem. The OpenOffice.org community at large doesn't have a problem with NeoOffice (as evidenced by its inclusion on the Mac OS X download page). You claim you can't use NeoOffice's advancements due to the license, well if everyone was working on NeoOffice instead of OOoX11 - then there would be no problem would there? All would be GPL, wouldn't it? Why the NeoOffice team decided to go GPL instead of LGPL is their own perogative - but since they have, and they are obviously doing things the X11 team can't - why not join them instead of fighting them? -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] OS X install problems
On 2/19/06, Pavel Janík <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chad: I have never heard you telling that OpenOffice.org is the same as > Neo. I only heard the opposite. Why? I've never had a need to say it that way. I mean, obviously, if NeoOffice is the same as OpenOffice.org then OpenOffice.org is the same as NeoOffice. The only reason I say it the way I do is because people ask for OpenOffice.org for Mac - so I tell them that NeoOffice is a version of OpenOffice.org for Mac. If someone asked the question "Can I get NeoOffice for Windows?" I'd tell them OpenOffice.org is the same as NeoOffice, and OpenOffice.org runs on Windows, Linux, Solaris, and other operating systems. But since this is an OpenOffice.org list - if someone is here, then know about OpenOffice.org - so the need has not yet come up, at least not to my knowledge. On any given operating system, you choose the version of software that runs natively or most-natively. I could, on my Windows desktop, fire up a copy of PearPC, run OS X on it, then in OS X run Fink, and load up a copy of AbiWord in the Fink environment. Or, I could just download AbiWord for Windows. On a Mac, I could run virtualPC, load Windows 98, run colinux and load up a copy of GIMPShop - or I could run GIMPShop through X11 on Mac OS X. For OpenOffice.org - the most native version is NeoOffice. No special runtimes, no windowing environments - nothing that's not a part of the natvie install of OS X is needed. If a user comes on the user list and asked "how can I install Open Office on my Mac?" I will *always* tell them the most native way to do it, and until the "official" port of OpenOffice.org drops the X11 requirement, or until NeoOffice requires a special kludgy dependancy that is as bad as X11 or worse, then I will always tell them NeoOffice. Don't you think you are only making > unnecessary "wars" between both teams? Last I checked, this is the users list - not the development list. A user asked the question "how can I install OpenOffice.org on my Mac? NeoOffice works fine." I answered them and told them the truth, if you've got NeoOffice you don't need another version of the same program. It would be like me telling someone if you've got GIMPShop you don't need the GIMP, or if you've got SodiPodi, you don't need Inkscape, of if you've got the native port of OpenOffice.org for Windows - you don't need to run CoLinux and fire up a Linux copy of OOo on top of that. Don't you think that both Mac OS > X porting team and Neo team want to get closer, to cooperate closer? The > only thing both teams should do is to ignore you! I have started with it > now. I don't care if the development teams ignore me or not. I don't know a whole lot of developers that know my name. I don't know a whole lot of developers who give a rat's butt about my opinion anyway. And I don't know a whole lot of developers who read the users list looking for reasons to cooperate or hate other groups of developers. I hope you do ignore me, Pavel, because I'm tired of having to explain myself to you. Have a great day. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] OS X install problems
Hey Pavel, You ever read this page? http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ooo-osx_downloads.html "There are two different projects aiming to port OpenOffice.org to Mac OS X, the OpenOffice.org team and the NeoOffice (R) team." Two projects - one goal - OpenOffice.org on OS X. "Both versions are completely functional and more than sufficient for simple productivity tasks." "Both versions" - versions of what? OpenOffice.org. They are the same program. >From the FAQ linked on that page, located here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/FAQ_Openoffice.org_and_NeoOffice NeoOffice <http://www.neooffice.org/> is a version of OpenOffice.org...<http://www.openoffice.org/> It is currently (as of Jan 2006) the only version of OpenOffice.org ... This version of OpenOffice.org is currently (Jan 2006) based on version 1.1.5 of OpenOffice.org NeoOffice is a VERSION of OPENOFFICE.ORG. But that's just what the OpenOffice.org website has to say about it - what does NeoOffice's site say? >From http://www.planamesa.com/neojava/en/faq.php#1 which is linked from neooffice.org as "FAQ" *What is NeoOffice?* NeoOffice is a reasonably stable version of the OpenOffice.org<http://www.openoffice.org/>office suite that has been engineered to run natively on Mac OS X. NeoOffice is a ... version of ... OpenOffice.org THEY ARE THE SAME PROGRAM. I am trying to help people use a free, open source, easy to use, easy to install office suite on their computer. Whether they call it NeoOffice, Open Office, OpenOffice.org, or that free office thingy we downloaded - I don't care. I'd prefer if they get the name right, but whichever name is right for them, doesn't matter to me. NeoOffice is OpenOffice.org. Stop confusing the users, Pavel. On 2/19/06, Pavel Janík <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From: "Chad Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:50:15 -0500 > >> If you have NeoOffice there's not much need to install >> OpenOffice.org - it's the same program. > > Chad, do not lie to other users, please. > -- > Pavel Janík > > Please move old and unneeded mp3s and porn to local hard disks. > -- Someone requesting freeing the disk spcae > > ----- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] OS X install problems
If you have NeoOffice there's not much need to install OpenOffice.org - it's the same program. The main difference between 2.0.x and 1.5 (upon which NeoOffice is based) - is the ODF format. It is the default on 2.0 and not on 1.5. 1.5 (NeoOffice) can read those documents, but not create them. Since 2.0 can still read the older OpenOffice.org format (the default on 1.5and NeoOffice), you will have complete communication with a 2.0 user. HTH! On 2/18/06, Joe Hogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am new to the list, and I am having a problem installing the program. > > > I run the install program that I download off the website. After about a > minute, the programs says that is times out. No installation is done. > > I have tried this multiple times. I tried installing en english > 2.0version, and a french > 2.01 version. > > Nothing works. But, I can install NeoOffice with no problem. > > > Ideas? > > Joseph > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] OpenOffice program for Website design - like MS Front Page?
OpenOffice.org does have some limited HTML editing ability, but it is more similar to MS Word's HTML editing than FrontPage. For an open source, cross platform, free WYSIWYG HTML editor - try Nvu - http://www.nvu.com/ On 2/17/06, Alf Nisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have just bought a new computer(for private use)and got OpenOffice > 2.0installed. I am pleased to see that there is a serious competitor to MS. > > Is there anything like Front Page (or better) available i.e. something > easy to use and without need of html-programming knowledge? > > I will recomend OpenOffice where I can. > > > Alf Nisi > > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] OpenOffice as an alternative for PowerPoint in Windows XP
Hello Kartien, And thanks for your interest in OpenOffice.org. Yes, OpenOffice.org can open, view, edit, and create PowerPoint presentations. It doesn't have every feature that PowerPoint has, but it is a good presentation program. OpenOffice.org is a single program that does many different things, word processor, presentation, spreadsheet, etc. - so, you do need to download the full version to get the presentation software. However once you download the file, you can install as many or as few features as you wish. I suggest, however, installing the full program, since it will not hurt to have the extra functions, especially Writer (word processing), Calc (spreadsheet), and Draw (vector graphics). But Impress is the name of the presentation software. And since OpenOffice.org is open source and free, you can install it on as many computers as you'd like. Enjoy the program, and let us know if you have any other questions. On 2/17/06, Katrien Scholiers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am using Windows Office XP with a PowerPoint Reader, but need to work > with a full presentation program. Can OpenOffice be of use for me? If so, do > I need to download the full version? > > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] OOo 2.0.1 for Mac?
There are no plans to release 2.0.1 for the Mac. The next version of OOo X11 for the Mac is staled to be 2.0.2, but it will likely be released sometime after the other OSes get it. On 2/15/06, John Cradock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OOo 2.0.1 is out, and 2.0.2 will be out soon. However, on the Mac side > only the French version seems to have been updated to 2.0.1. Anyone > have any idea when a newer English version for Mac will be out? > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Apple Users
Hi Robert, On 2/14/06, Robert Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If I am an Apple user, am I unable to use Open Office? > You sure can - just grab NeoOffice - http://www.neooffice.org/ - it's a native port of OpenOffice.org to Mac OS X. It's awesome! -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] [Downloading got interupted
Hello, On 2/11/06, Derick Centeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 10:52 -0500, Steven Cox wrote: > > I feel your pain! It's Windows/ Internet Explorer thing, not an Open > > Office thing. > > > > What you need is a download manager. It allows you to restart the > download > > from where it left off. There is some help to be found at > > http://download.openoffice.org/index.html. > > > > > > > > On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:06:19 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I have dial up and i have been trying to download openoffice.org all > day > > > and night.Each time i get 78% or 59% finished Something would make the > > > computer go off line.When i start back up it would download from the > > > start. Why doesnt it start from the interuption and not the beginning. > > > Or have i just downloaded it onto my computer 3 or 4 times? > > > > Mr. Cox, could be right of course. The problem as you (Mr. Carter) > described it, could have multiple causes. People have been complaining > about IE for years. If that is the problem, I would recommend switching > over to the browser known as Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/) > which has it's own download manager. Also has a separate email client > and more. It is very fast. > > Firefox cannot protect you from transmission anomalies though. You > should still investigate improving your transmission bandwidth. > You could also try the BitTorrent download option... http://distribution.openoffice.org/p2p/index.html BitTorrent is a P2P method where a central 'tracker' keeps track of who is downloading and sharing specific files. When using BitTorrent to download OpenOffice.org, your computer automatically uses spare bandwidth to help share the file with others, and this means that you don't have to put up with slower downloads during peak download times (such as just after a release), because the more people downloading, the more people sharing. Also, your download is automatically checked for integrity to make sure that it is identical to the official version. To use BitTorrent technology, you must have a BitTorrent "client" installed. There are a list of suitable clients on the webpage. Hope that helps! -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] mac users
Hi Bram, I sent this to the users list eariler, but I'm not sure if you are subscribed. So if you get this twice, I apologize. On 2/11/06, CPHennessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu February 9 2006 18:46, + Bram Binneweg wrote: > > [ MODERATED ] *** > > Dear Sirs, > > > > A while ago I installed your Openoffice on my pc (windows xp) and it > > works nicely. My wife and I also work on Mac (Tiger 10.4.4) and would > > like to install your Openoffice Suite on this system. Is there a > > possibility? I tried to download but it doesn't work. Thank you for > > answering my request, > > Hi Bram, > there are versions which do indeed work on Tiger. You will need to install > X11 on your Mac (this should be on the original discs), and then you can > install 2.0.1. Also note that 2.0.2 will be available soon. > NeoOffice is a version of OpenOffice.org which runs natively on Mac, it's easy to install and use. And just like OpenOffice.org - it's free and open source. You can pick it up here: http://www.neooffice.org/ -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software! -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Suduko
Sudoku Solver addin for OpenOffice Calc. http://www.openofficetips.com/blog/archives/2006/01/a_sodoku_solver.html >From Dave On 2/10/06, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OO 2.0.1 > > > > Does anyone have a macro that will create suduko grids > and their solutions? > > Michael > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] mac users
Hi Bram, On 2/9/06, Bram Binneweg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > > A while ago I installed your Openoffice on my pc (windows xp) and it > works nicely. My wife and I also work on Mac (Tiger 10.4.4) and would > like to install your Openoffice Suite on this system. Is there a > possibility? I tried to download but it doesn't work. Thank you for > answering my request, > NeoOffice is a version of OpenOffice.org which runs natively on Mac, it's easy to install and use. And just like OpenOffice.org - it's free and open source. You can pick it up here: http://www.neooffice.org/ -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Updated OpenOffice.org 2.0 training and workbooks, and online resources
On 2/9/06, Solveig L Haugland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Chad, > > >> I'll post updated links on my site. > > Thanks for the link and kind comment, I appreciate it. No problem. I've put it on another site I'm building, too - http://www.whatisopenoffice.org/ I have recommended GimpShop several times to people considering Gimp. I > edited Peter van der Linen's Linux book > (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131872842) and he mentioned GimpShop > in that book as a good choice for PhotoShop users who want to switch to > Linux. I love the program. It makes life a lot easier for me. We've got an old copy of Adobe Photoshop 4.0 - which I learned image editing on - here at work, but GIMPShop is easier to use for me. GIMP is good - don't get me wrong - but having consistant names for things helps a lot. (Just a disclaimer, I didn't create GIMPShop, nor do I maintain it - I just promote it.) -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Updated OpenOffice.org 2.0 training and workbooks, and online resources
Hello Solveig! On 2/9/06, Solveig L Haugland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'd like to make a brief announcement about my training classes and > learning materials, and free learning resources on my blog. > > * I've updated my OpenOffice.org and StarOffice training materials to > version 2.0 / 8.0. Details about the workbooks and new pricing are at > www.getopenoffice.org/workbooks.html. (A new workbook on Base will be > out this spring.) > > * I'm continuing to provide instructor-led training onsite in North > America. Details about training are at www.getopenoffice.org/training.html > . > > My blog at http://openoffice.blogs.com contains step-by-step > instructions for many OpenOffice.org 2.0 procedures, and is searchable. > > Thanks for reading, and please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with any questions. Thank you so much for your great work, Solveig. I'll post updated links on my site. You really help make OpenOffice.org accessible to end users and to corporate-types as well. Having good accurate documentation is indespensible for this kind of a project. Thanks again! -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] convert Wiki to OOo?
Hi Mark, On 2/7/06, Mark Greenbank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Chad, > > Sure, it opens as HTML. I was thinking more along the lines of a utility > that crawls a wiki site and produces one document from the directed graph > of > pages. Oh, sorry. That would be a cool utility to have! -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] convert Wiki to OOo?
Actually, if you open a Wiki file in a normal browser, doesn't it show up as HTML? In which case it can be saved as an HTML file and then opened in OOo and saved as an ODT. On 2/7/06, G. Roderick Singleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 14:00 -0500, Mark Greenbank wrote: > > Hi, > > > > So -- I've been documenting some project information into a wiki and I'd > > like to give someone a paper/electronic copy of the results. Does anyone > > know of a way to convert a wiki site (MediaWiki) to an OOo document? > > > > Never seen this conversion. From OOo to Wiki, yes. For this see > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hillview/OOo/DokuWiki.sxw > > You might be able to roll your own using Tools > XML Filter Settings and > I would look to http://xml.openoffice.org/ for ideas. -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
Re: [users] Have Mac OS X - PowerMac 10.3.9 and could not install OpenOffice.org 2.0
Try this one: http://www.neooffice.org/ It doesn't need X11 On 1/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tried to install X11 Version, however i do not know what is X11. I could > not get any support of Gelecek A.S, which is Turkish Representative of > Sales of Oo. > Please advise, which version I must to try in order to nat have troubles. > I add that we are an advertising agency working on 4 Mac OsX and 1 Wndows > XP. We have no problems with XP version. > Awaiting for an urgent advis, > Regards, > Devrim Kocak - Mng Dir. > -- - Chad Smith http://www.gimpshop.net/ Because everyone loves free software!
