Re: [users] Re: Bullets problems
Dizia Bruce Byfield em Segunda 03 Abril 2006 18:14: Why are list/numbering formatting and styles separated from paragraph formatting and styles? For one thing, it's more economical that way. You can use the same numbering system for different paragraph styles, rather than having to define the design separately for each paragraph style. For another, it's useful to have a display of only list styles when you are designing a template. For example, if you plan to use nested lists, you usually want to define each level in terms of the next level above it. I promised myself I would not engage into a discussion so soon, but I have to tell Bruce just this much: - The problem Laurent Duperval raised (have you read it?!) is paradigmatic of the way OOo works, and with which I disagree: «bullet/list formatting _interferes_ with paragraph formatting». - Interference is this: 1- I have a (stylewise or not) formatted paragraph; 2- I want it to become part of a list, for instance, a numbered one; 3- I want to use a list formatting just for taking care of the list itself (following paragraphs have following numbers, for instance) 4- I do not want the list formatting to change paragraph formatting (indentation, for instance) 5- I can not achieve this easily with OOo. - Your arguments do not answer this issue. But you could have a point _if_ there was a _parallel_ between paragraph/character formatting and paragraph/list formatting (in both cases, stylewise or not). Unfortunately, OOo does not enforce such parallelism! :-( Regards, José (still using OOo...) -- J. Magalhães Cruz --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ... free, as in freedom... (Richard Stallman) ... private, as in personal... (jmcruz) ... respect, to all animals... (jmcruz) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Bullets problems
Hi José, J. Magalhães Cruz wrote: - Interference is this: 1- I have a (stylewise or not) formatted paragraph; 2- I want it to become part of a list, for instance, a numbered one; 3- I want to use a list formatting just for taking care of the list itself (following paragraphs have following numbers, for instance) 4- I do not want the list formatting to change paragraph formatting (indentation, for instance) 5- I can not achieve this easily with OOo. Take some paragraphs that need numbering. Now you can do two things: a) select te paragraphs and choose a numbering style from the stylist; b) select te paragraphs and apply a paragraph style, to which you applied a numbering style on the tab Numbering; That's pretty straight forward. If you do not like the numbering style, you can choose one of the others, change the current, or define your own. The only way to change the indentation of the parapraph via the numering style, is setting the distance on the tab position of the numbering style. The first level of the 10 default numbering/listing styles, all have no extra distance from left. Greetings, Cor -- Cor Nouws www.nouenoff.nl - www.bsooo.nl - http://nl.openoffice.org Open. For business. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Bullets problems
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:49:08 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Laurent, Hi Cor, Maybe -B and -C are in the same paragraph on a different line (Shift-Enter and not Enter)? Nope, they are different paragraphs (I can see that by using the Non-Printing Characters button). Using Tab in stead of Increase indent will work then. Both tabs and Increase Indent show the same behaviour. L -- Prenez la parole en public en étant Speak to an audience while being moins nerveux et plus convaincant! less nervous and more convincing! Éveillez l'orateur en vous!Bring out the speaker in you! Information: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.duperval.com (514) 902-0186 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Bullets problems
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:28:59 -0400, Laurent Duperval wrote: Both tabs and Increase Indent show the same behaviour. Ok, in the end, I decided to go through my document and insert styles because it became much easier than trying to figure out what the problem was. L -- Prenez la parole en public en étant Speak to an audience while being moins nerveux et plus convaincant! less nervous and more convincing! Éveillez l'orateur en vous!Bring out the speaker in you! Information: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.duperval.com (514) 902-0186 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Re: Bullets problems
Dizia Laurent Duperval em Segunda 03 Abril 2006 13:19: On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:28:59 -0400, Laurent Duperval wrote: Both tabs and Increase Indent show the same behaviour. Ok, in the end, I decided to go through my document and insert styles because it became much easier than trying to figure out what the problem was. L One point to the people in favor of styles! :-) ;-) I am also in favor of styles, but the problem you described had no need for them, and exactly reveals an issue that I tried to raise some time ago: Why are list/numbering formatting and styles separated from paragraph formatting and styles? Your problem was that bullet/list formatting _interferes_ with paragraph formatting, and there is no _easy_ way to handle them separately! (ok!, I am not trying to start a flame war... My issue with OOo -or staroffice- which I have been using for more than 5 years now, but with which I have never grown satisfied, is just this: «If the usage of a GUI needs much explanation - such as frequent consultation of help docs - it is not a very good GUY at all.») josé -- J. Magalhães Cruz --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ... free, as in freedom... (Richard Stallman) ... private, as in personal... (jmcruz) ... respect, to all animals... (jmcruz) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
