Re: [users] RE: Open Suse - 11.3_X64 Running OOO 3.2.1 - Running Painfully Slow in Comparison
On 12/19/2010 02:42 AM, Aphofis Scott wrote: Clayton Thanks for the reply. Indeed I have been very suspicious about possible Kernel Faults as I know there are many many issues with the released X_64 Kernel. I have maintained the suspicion that past and current Kernel Releases never allocate sufficient Cache buffers despite how much RAM is available. I have 8GIG and less than 30% is ever allocated to cache buffers and the flush of dirty cache buggers is far far fat too quickI could go onbut what would a user know??? This has absolutely nothing at all to do with OOo and the issue you're experiencing. Can you confirm that OOO really is a 64bit App?? Ask on the openSUSE mailing list. The version of OOo you're using is not the one from the OOo website it is the one built by the openSUSE guys (and yes, if you've got a 74 bit openSUSE install, you've got a 64 bit OOo version). The fact it's 64 bit or 32 bit has exactly zero impact on the issue you're having. 32 bit apps run just fine in 64 bit Linux installs. Anyway, please take this to the right place... the problem you're having is specific to openSUSE 11.3 and nothing at all to do with OOo. C. (I had the same problem with my openSUSE 11.3 install and resolved it as described in my first reply) -- Clayton Cornell ccorn...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Documentation Project co-lead - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] RE: Open Suse - 11.3_X64 Running OOO 3.2.1 - Running Painfully Slow in Comparison
On 12/19/2010 02:56 AM, Aphofis Scott wrote: The OOO version native to the Suse Linux Release is not bastardised, it just comes with 11 or very typical extensions that come from Sun Micro and Oracle - Nothing more nothing less...:-) Actually is is quite a lot different. The OOo version you get from the openSUSE repository is based on the Go-OO build of OOo. This version has, as you pointed out several extensions included, but in addition to that, it also has a long list of patches and changes applied which are not included in the core OOo. These differences include things like different interface features different/additional file import/export filters, different VBA support, different way of handling password protected spreadsheets, and a whole bunch of other things. It is a lot more than the 11 extensions you referenced, and as a result does behave differently. Sometimes bugs pop up that are very specific to this build of OOo that do not affect the core OOo... that is why Ariel asked the very legitimate question about trying the version from the OOo website C. -- Clayton Cornell ccorn...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Documentation Project co-lead - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] RE: Open Suse - 11.3_X64 Running OOO 3.2.1 - Running Painfully Slow in Comparison
Dear Clayton: No, I am not using 64 bits, I do have it, but I did not installed, because does not work well with the games. I am using Windows XP professional in 32 bits. But in the other hand.I just had a crash, and reinstalled the application and I did not had time to see if Office.org application correct the anomaly. Tomorrow, let you know about it. Thank you for your time. Have great Holidays and a Happy New Year you and your whole family. Me. ---Original Message--- From: Clayton Date: 12/18/2010 11:57:53 PM To: users@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [users] RE: Open Suse - 11.3_X64 Running OOO 3.2.1 - Running Painfully Slow in Comparison On 12/19/2010 02:42 AM, Aphofis Scott wrote: Clayton Thanks for the reply. Indeed I have been very suspicious about possible Kernel Faults as I know there are many many issues with the released X_64 Kernel. I have maintained the suspicion that past and current Kernel Releases never allocate sufficient Cache buffers despite how much RAM is available. I have 8GIG and less than 30% is ever allocated to cache buffers and the flush of dirty cache buggers is far far fat too quickI could go onbut what would a user know??? This has absolutely nothing at all to do with OOo and the issue you're experiencing. Can you confirm that OOO really is a 64bit App?? Ask on the openSUSE mailing list. The version of OOo you're using is not the one from the OOo website it is the one built by the openSUSE guys (and yes, if you've got a 74 bit openSUSE install, you've got a 64 bit OOo version). The fact it's 64 bit or 32 bit has exactly zero impact on the issue you're having. 32 bit apps run just fine in 64 bit Linux installs. Anyway, please take this to the right place... the problem you're having is specific to openSUSE 11.3 and nothing at all to do with OOo. C. (I had the same problem with my openSUSE 11.3 install and resolved it as described in my first reply) -- Clayton Cornell ccorn...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Documentation Project co-lead - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] RE: Open Suse - 11.3_X64 Running OOO 3.2.1 - Running Painfully Slow in Comparison
---Original Message--- From: Clayton Date: 12/19/2010 12:08:59 AM To: users@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [users] RE: Open Suse - 11.3_X64 Running OOO 3.2.1 - Running Painfully Slow in Comparison On 12/19/2010 02:56 AM, Aphofis Scott wrote: The OOO version native to the Suse Linux Release is not bastardised, it just comes with 11 or very typical extensions that come from Sun Micro and Oracle - Nothing more nothing less...:-) Actually is is quite a lot different. The OOo version you get from the openSUSE repository is based on the Go-OO build of OOo. This version has, as you pointed out several extensions included, but in addition to that, it also has a long list of patches and changes applied which are not included in the core OOo. These differences include things like different interface features different/additional file import/export filters, different VBA support, different way of handling password protected spreadsheets, and a whole bunch of other things. It is a lot more than the 11 extensions you referenced, and as a result does behave differently. Sometimes bugs pop up that are very specific to this build of OOo that do not affect the core OOo... that is why Ariel asked the very legitimate question about trying the version from the OOo website C. -- Clayton Cornell ccorn...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Documentation Project co-lead - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] RE: Open Suse - 11.3_X64 Running OOO 3.2.1 - Running Painfully Slow in Comparison
I am running Linux 2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop x86_64 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) release 3 and OOO Version 3.2.1.4-1.2 I have the following resources CPU Information Processor (CPU): AMD Phenom(tm) 9950 Quad-Core Processor Speed: 2,800.31 MHz Cores: 4 Memory Information Total memory (RAM): 7.8 GiB Free memory: 6.0 GiB (+ 916.7 MiB Caches) Free swap: 42.6 GiB The OOO version is native to the 11.3 Install and I have applied any OOO specific updates is native to an OpenSUSE 11.3 Installation Please forgive me if this question has been asked over and over - I'm brand new in here at OOO support When I open any part of OOO, the PC freezes for 6 or so seconds and then proceeds as normal. OOO Is very very very slow and takes seconds to perform both a Real-Time spell Check and Real-Time Grammar Check - to the point that it is very very noticeable in its delay. I have not created many files from OOO that are longer than say 4 pages of text or a simple A4 Landscape Calc Sheet! Is OOO a true 64 bit application under Linux because it feels like I am waiting for Windows to just open the first page of the OOO Suite. I have given OOO dedicated RAM and Resources up the ying yang but it sill feels like a 32bit app under Windows! I mean No offence to all Windows folk! If for what ever reason I need OOO to recover a 3 page doc - It has taken up to 4 mins to do this. If there is a setting in OOO that I may have missed please let me know but under Base Memory I have given it close to 1GIG of RAM let alone other caching increases to OOO base settings Or is OOO a true X64 base application under Linux -- *THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN SENT VIA THUNDERBIRD MAIL CLIENT USING SUSE LINUX O/S! AS SUCH IT IS FREE FROM ANY VIRUS OR MALWARE OR ANY OTHER UNDESIRABLE CONTENT THAT EFFECTS A WINDOWS O/S* CAUTION - This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must: - Not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee; - Notify the sender via return email; and - Delete the message (and any related attachments) from your computer immediately. Internet emails are not necessarily secure. Emails that are not digitally signed should be viewed as possibly non authentic messages from this Email Address and as such cannot always be verified. Digitally Signed Emails ensure that no modification are made from sender to receiver. The receiver is notified on screen that the email has or has not been tampered between Sender and Receiver as soon as the enveloped is opened. The sender of any Email that originate from this address does Not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Unless specificity stated by the inclusion of a Digital Signature, views expressed within this email may not possibly be verified. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [users] RE: Open Suse - 11.3_X64 Running OOO 3.2.1 - Running Painfully Slow in Comparison
Hello Aphofis, On Saturday 18 December 2010, 20:32, Aphofis Scott wrote: I am running Linux 2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop x86_64 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) release 3 and OOO Version 3.2.1.4-1.2 I have the following resources CPU Information Processor (CPU): AMD Phenom(tm) 9950 Quad-Core Processor Speed: 2,800.31 MHz Cores: 4 Memory Information Total memory (RAM): 7.8 GiB Free memory: 6.0 GiB (+ 916.7 MiB Caches) Free swap: 42.6 GiB The OOO version is native to the 11.3 Install and I have applied any OOO specific updates is native to an OpenSUSE 11.3 Installation did you try with OOo downloaded from www.openoffice.org ? Your distro comes with a hacked version for sure. Please try and report back. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [users] RE: Open Suse - 11.3_X64 Running OOO 3.2.1 - Running Painfully Slow in Comparison
On 12/19/2010 12:32 AM, Aphofis Scott wrote: I am running Linux 2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop x86_64 This (the kernel version) is probably your problem. There is a well known issue with the default 2.6.34 kernel and KDE4 on openSUSE 11.3 where it will cause random system pauses as you've described. The easiest solution is to upgrade to a newer kernel - 2.6.35 or higher. This of course comes with risks and challenges if you're not familiar with openSUSE repositories in general and the Kernel:HEAD repository. The details of how to do this are outside of what should be discussed here on the OOo Users mailing list. If you don't know how to bump up your 11.3 kernel to Kernel:HEAD, you should take it up on one of the openSUSE support channels (eg the openSUSE user mailing list, the openSUSE forum). A hint... start reading here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2010-11/msg00027.html C. -- Clayton Cornell ccorn...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Documentation Project co-lead - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] RE: Open Suse - 11.3_X64 Running OOO 3.2.1 - Running Painfully Slow in Comparison
Clayton Thanks for the reply. Indeed I have been very suspicious about possible Kernel Faults as I know there are many many issues with the released X_64 Kernel. I have maintained the suspicion that past and current Kernel Releases never allocate sufficient Cache buffers despite how much RAM is available. I have 8GIG and less than 30% is ever allocated to cache buffers and the flush of dirty cache buggers is far far fat too quickI could go onbut what would a user know??? I'm not a big fan in installing Beta Kernels or even the 'Kernel of the Day' that the Suse.de guys compile, as I have 3 Online PC's running and just 1 single offline test PC's - All are X64. Can you confirm that OOO really is a 64bit App?? On 19/12/10 10:34, Clayton wrote: On 12/19/2010 12:32 AM, Aphofis Scott wrote: I am running Linux 2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop x86_64 This (the kernel version) is probably your problem. There is a well known issue with the default 2.6.34 kernel and KDE4 on openSUSE 11.3 where it will cause random system pauses as you've described. The easiest solution is to upgrade to a newer kernel - 2.6.35 or higher. This of course comes with risks and challenges if you're not familiar with openSUSE repositories in general and the Kernel:HEAD repository. The details of how to do this are outside of what should be discussed here on the OOo Users mailing list. If you don't know how to bump up your 11.3 kernel to Kernel:HEAD, you should take it up on one of the openSUSE support channels (eg the openSUSE user mailing list, the openSUSE forum). A hint... start reading here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2010-11/msg00027.html C. -- *THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN SENT VIA THUNDERBIRD MAIL CLIENT USING SUSE LINUX O/S! AS SUCH IT IS FREE FROM ANY VIRUS OR MALWARE OR ANY OTHER UNDESIRABLE CONTENT THAT EFFECTS A WINDOWS O/S* CAUTION - This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must: - Not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee; - Notify the sender via return email; and - Delete the message (and any related attachments) from your computer immediately. Internet emails are not necessarily secure. Emails that are not digitally signed should be viewed as possibly non authentic messages from this Email Address and as such cannot always be verified. Digitally Signed Emails ensure that no modification are made from sender to receiver. The receiver is notified on screen that the email has or has not been tampered between Sender and Receiver as soon as the enveloped is opened. The sender of any Email that originate from this address does Not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Unless specificity stated by the inclusion of a Digital Signature, views expressed within this email may not possibly be verified. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [users] RE: Open Suse - 11.3_X64 Running OOO 3.2.1 - Running Painfully Slow in Comparison
The OOO version native to the Suse Linux Release is not bastardised, it just comes with 11 or very typical extensions that come from Sun Micro and Oracle - Nothing more nothing less...:-) I have had fears about the Linux Kernel being the real culprit and got some new about that from Clayton...Should be in the list for you to see. P.S Sorry cannot import, trust or Sign your Sender Key as I use S/MIME X.509 PKI - I cannot have a VeriSign PKI together with a PGPNot to worry Scott On 19/12/10 10:16, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hello Aphofis, On Saturday 18 December 2010, 20:32, Aphofis Scott wrote: I am running Linux 2.6.34.7-0.5-desktop x86_64 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) release 3 and OOO Version 3.2.1.4-1.2 I have the following resources CPU Information Processor (CPU): AMD Phenom(tm) 9950 Quad-Core Processor Speed: 2,800.31 MHz Cores: 4 Memory Information Total memory (RAM): 7.8 GiB Free memory: 6.0 GiB (+ 916.7 MiB Caches) Free swap: 42.6 GiB The OOO version is native to the 11.3 Install and I have applied any OOO specific updates is native to an OpenSUSE 11.3 Installation did you try with OOo downloaded from www.openoffice.org ? Your distro comes with a hacked version for sure. Please try and report back. Regards -- *THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN SENT VIA THUNDERBIRD MAIL CLIENT USING SUSE LINUX O/S! AS SUCH IT IS FREE FROM ANY VIRUS OR MALWARE OR ANY OTHER UNDESIRABLE CONTENT THAT EFFECTS A WINDOWS O/S* CAUTION - This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must: - Not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone other than the addressee; - Notify the sender via return email; and - Delete the message (and any related attachments) from your computer immediately. Internet emails are not necessarily secure. Emails that are not digitally signed should be viewed as possibly non authentic messages from this Email Address and as such cannot always be verified. Digitally Signed Emails ensure that no modification are made from sender to receiver. The receiver is notified on screen that the email has or has not been tampered between Sender and Receiver as soon as the enveloped is opened. The sender of any Email that originate from this address does Not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Unless specificity stated by the inclusion of a Digital Signature, views expressed within this email may not possibly be verified. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
