[users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[NoOp]

On 06/13/2010 02:08 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> I see that Versions is disabled when saving in .doc format. I have
> googled but cannot find a listing of what other OOo Writer features
> are disabled when saving in .doc format. is there such a list? Does
> anybody know what other features might be disabled? Thanks.
> 

Confused (as usual); can you provide: 1) the exact version & OS, 2)
steps to reproduce?




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[users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[NoOp]

On 06/13/2010 08:06 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 14 June 2010 02:26, NoOp  wrote:
>> Confused (as usual); can you provide: 1) the exact version & OS, 2)
>> steps to reproduce?
>>
> 
> Sure. Tested on Kubuntu 10.04, OpenOffice.org 3.1 or 3.2 (sorry, I'm
> not there at the moment) would have the File -> Versions menu item
> grey and inaccessible when opening .doc files. Opening an .odt file,
> or starting a new file, returned this menu item to operation.
> 
> 

You might want to download the OOo Writer guide and review "Tracking
changes to a document". File|Versions won't turn on unless you are
actually tracking "Versions" of the document w/.odt. An MS Word doc has
no ability for the user(s) to track versions, just as an OOo user has no
ability to track versions generated from an MS Word doc.

But I do see what you mean & perhaps this would be a good enhancement &
I can certainly see the value. Check to see if an RFE or bug report has
already been filed.




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[users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[NoOp]

On 06/13/2010 08:50 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 06/13/2010 08:06 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> On 14 June 2010 02:26, NoOp  wrote:
>>> Confused (as usual); can you provide: 1) the exact version & OS, 2)
>>> steps to reproduce?
>>>
>> 
>> Sure. Tested on Kubuntu 10.04, OpenOffice.org 3.1 or 3.2 (sorry, I'm
>> not there at the moment) would have the File -> Versions menu item
>> grey and inaccessible when opening .doc files. Opening an .odt file,
>> or starting a new file, returned this menu item to operation.
>> 
>> 
> 
> You might want to download the OOo Writer guide and review "Tracking
> changes to a document". File|Versions won't turn on unless you are
> actually tracking "Versions" of the document w/.odt. An MS Word doc has
> no ability for the user(s) to track versions, just as an OOo user has no
> ability to track versions generated from an MS Word doc.
> 
> But I do see what you mean & perhaps this would be a good enhancement &
> I can certainly see the value. Check to see if an RFE or bug report has
> already been filed.

Sorry, forgot to add that if you resave the .doc as an .odt,
File|Versions is turned back on: standard OOo 3.2.1 & Ubuntu/go-oo
versions 3.2.0.



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[users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[NoOp]

On 06/14/2010 09:37 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 14 June 2010 06:50, NoOp  wrote:
>> You might want to download the OOo Writer guide and review "Tracking
>> changes to a document".
> 
> I have it, I know that I must review it completely soon. Sorry, I did
> google but I did not consult the guide.
> 
>> File|Versions won't turn on unless you are
>> actually tracking "Versions" of the document w/.odt. An MS Word doc has
>> no ability for the user(s) to track versions, just as an OOo user has no
>> ability to track versions generated from an MS Word doc.
>>
> 
> Are you sure about that? In MSO it's called Track Changes (I think, I
> don't have it here to test).
> 
> 
>> But I do see what you mean & perhaps this would be a good enhancement &
>> I can certainly see the value. Check to see if an RFE or bug report has
>> already been filed.
>>
> 
> I found no bug filed, I wanted to know if this is a known issue or
> not. Googling did not lead me to know if this is meant to work or not.
> I need to read the fine manual for sure!
> 

Looks like it's been an ongoing problem for some time:

[OOo 2.0 Beta - MS Word export - disabled change tracking?]

http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=34124
* Summary: Document from MS Word won't save as word with recorded changes.
Description:Opened: Mon Sep 13 14:56:00 + 2004
Target milestone:   OOo Later

That issue report indicates that it was, may have been possible, in
earlier version?

I'll keep looking to see if I can find more. But, I think that the
ability to track changes between the formats would be nearly impossible
to maintain accurately given the wide variation in MS Word versions &
formats (.doc, .docx. word97, word2K, word2007, word2010 etc). And IMO,
accuracy would be a topmost priority in collaborating/tracking document
change.




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[users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[NoOp]

On 06/14/2010 12:43 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
> 
> I'll keep looking to see if I can find more. But, I think that the
> ability to track changes between the formats would be nearly impossible
> to maintain accurately given the wide variation in MS Word versions &
> formats (.doc, .docx. word97, word2K, word2007, word2010 etc). And IMO,
> accuracy would be a topmost priority in collaborating/tracking document
> change.

Nevermind... Dotan's issue with the File|Version not working went woosh
right over my head. I now see that he was refering to. Tested also on a
Win2K w/Word97, made a changed, saved, opened in OOo and see that the
'File|Version' where you can see the changes made by others is not
available. My apologies for the previous noise... I'll go make some more
coffee.



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[users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[NoOp]

On 06/14/2010 09:37 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 14 June 2010 06:50, NoOp  wrote:
>> You might want to download the OOo Writer guide and review "Tracking
>> changes to a document".
> 
> I have it, I know that I must review it completely soon. Sorry, I did
> google but I did not consult the guide.
> 
>> File|Versions won't turn on unless you are
>> actually tracking "Versions" of the document w/.odt. An MS Word doc has
>> no ability for the user(s) to track versions, just as an OOo user has no
>> ability to track versions generated from an MS Word doc.
>>
> 
> Are you sure about that? In MSO it's called Track Changes (I think, I
> don't have it here to test).

Whatever I was smoking must have been good... just tested (see my mea
culpa post) and the changes tracked fine between OOo (Windows & Linux)
and Word97.

> 
> 
>> But I do see what you mean & perhaps this would be a good enhancement &
>> I can certainly see the value. Check to see if an RFE or bug report has
>> already been filed.

Perhaps they turned it off as you can see the version changes by
hovering the mouse over the marked changed, and also see the listed
changes when you use Edit|Changes|Accept or Reject.

Anyway, again sorry for missing the mark previously.


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[users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[NoOp]

On 06/14/2010 01:16 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
...
> No need to keep googling, Gary, I can take it from here! Though my
> skills must be weak, I did not find that bug report. Do you remember
> on what terms you searched? This is far from the first time that
> you've found the things that I should have found myself!
> 

I honestly can't recall; I _think_ I was searching (OOo search) on
'versioning +word or +doc'.

Versioning in Word97 is the same menu structure: File|Versions. The
change tracking is carried over between the documents, but the
'versions' are not. In OOo Help: versions;file saving as, restriction
there is an ! warning which states:


Versions
Saves and organizes multiple versions of the current document in the
same file. You can also open, delete, and compare previous versions.

To access this command...
Choose File - Versions

If you save a copy of a file that contains version information (by
choosing File - Save As), the version information is not saved with the
file.


I just tested the same in Word97; if I use File|SaveAs the 'Versions'
option is available on the SaveAs dialog, as long as I don't change from
the .doc format. However, if I use File|SaveAs and save the document as
a WordPerfect (.wps) document, the File|Versions is greyed out just as
it is in OOo. So, apparently MS Word (at least Word97) also does not
support versioning with non-native document formats. I can test in
Word2K and Word2007 later.

BTW: This might be of interest:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Track_changes




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[users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[NoOp]

On 06/20/2010 11:40 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 15 June 2010 00:55, NoOp ...

>> I just tested the same in Word97; if I use File|SaveAs the 'Versions'
>> option is available on the SaveAs dialog, as long as I don't change from
>> the .doc format. However, if I use File|SaveAs and save the document as
>> a WordPerfect (.wps) document, the File|Versions is greyed out just as
>> it is in OOo. So, apparently MS Word (at least Word97) also does not
>> support versioning with non-native document formats. I can test in
>> Word2K and Word2007 later.
>>
>> BTW: This might be of interest:
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Track_changes
>>
> 
> Thanks, Gary. The issue was not a deal breaker and we have yet another
> lab (well, half a lab) on Open Office!
> 

Cool & well done! Keep in mind that there will be issues with multimedia
in standard OOo (linux) unless you go through the jmf hoop. If they need
multimedia, consider installing the go-oo or oxygenoffice versions
(again I'm talking about linux). Those versions support gstreamer out of
the box.

http://go-oo.org/
  http://go-oo.org/download/
Note: Universal rpm versions (stable) are here should you need to
install independently:
http://go-oo.mirrorbrain.org/stable/

It's easy enough to download the rpm's & then use alien to convert to .debs.


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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[Dotan Cohen]

On 14 June 2010 02:26, NoOp  wrote:
> Confused (as usual); can you provide: 1) the exact version & OS, 2)
> steps to reproduce?
>

Sure. Tested on Kubuntu 10.04, OpenOffice.org 3.1 or 3.2 (sorry, I'm
not there at the moment) would have the File -> Versions menu item
grey and inaccessible when opening .doc files. Opening an .odt file,
or starting a new file, returned this menu item to operation.


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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[RA Brown]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 14 June 2010 02:26, NoOp  wrote:

Confused (as usual); can you provide: 1) the exact version & OS, 2)
steps to reproduce?



Sure. Tested on Kubuntu 10.04, OpenOffice.org 3.1 or 3.2 (sorry, I'm
not there at the moment) would have the File -> Versions menu item
grey and inaccessible when opening .doc files. Opening an .odt file,
or starting a new file, returned this menu item to operation.



Hi Dotan,

Confirmed with Ubuntu 9.10 with OO.o  3.1.  Also happens if you save as 
to a .doc file.


A possible explanation is that .doc does not store the version information.

Andy

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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

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Subject: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format 

On 06/13/2010 02:08 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: 
> I see that Versions is disabled when saving in .doc format. I have 
> googled but cannot find a listing of what other OOo Writer features 
> are disabled when saving in .doc format. is there such a list? Does 
> anybody know what other features might be disabled? Thanks. 
> 

Confused (as usual); can you provide: 1) the exact version & OS, 2) 
steps to reproduce? 




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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[Dotan Cohen]

On 14 June 2010 06:50, NoOp  wrote:
> You might want to download the OOo Writer guide and review "Tracking
> changes to a document".

I have it, I know that I must review it completely soon. Sorry, I did
google but I did not consult the guide.

> File|Versions won't turn on unless you are
> actually tracking "Versions" of the document w/.odt. An MS Word doc has
> no ability for the user(s) to track versions, just as an OOo user has no
> ability to track versions generated from an MS Word doc.
>

Are you sure about that? In MSO it's called Track Changes (I think, I
don't have it here to test).


> But I do see what you mean & perhaps this would be a good enhancement &
> I can certainly see the value. Check to see if an RFE or bug report has
> already been filed.
>

I found no bug filed, I wanted to know if this is a known issue or
not. Googling did not lead me to know if this is meant to work or not.
I need to read the fine manual for sure!

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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[Dotan Cohen]

On 14 June 2010 22:43, NoOp  wrote:
> Looks like it's been an ongoing problem for some time:
> 
> [OOo 2.0 Beta - MS Word export - disabled change tracking?]
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=34124
> * Summary: Document from MS Word won't save as word with recorded changes.
> Description:    Opened: Mon Sep 13 14:56:00 + 2004
> Target milestone:       OOo Later
>
> That issue report indicates that it was, may have been possible, in
> earlier version?
>
> I'll keep looking to see if I can find more. But, I think that the
> ability to track changes between the formats would be nearly impossible
> to maintain accurately given the wide variation in MS Word versions &
> formats (.doc, .docx. word97, word2K, word2007, word2010 etc). And IMO,
> accuracy would be a topmost priority in collaborating/tracking document
> change.
>

No need to keep googling, Gary, I can take it from here! Though my
skills must be weak, I did not find that bug report. Do you remember
on what terms you searched? This is far from the first time that
you've found the things that I should have found myself!

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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[Dotan Cohen]

On 14 June 2010 23:14, NoOp  wrote:
> Nevermind... Dotan's issue with the File|Version not working went woosh
> right over my head. I now see that he was refering to. Tested also on a
> Win2K w/Word97, made a changed, saved, opened in OOo and see that the
> 'File|Version' where you can see the changes made by others is not
> available. My apologies for the previous noise... I'll go make some more
> coffee.
>

Ah, coffee, you tempt me just as I should be going to sleep!


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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[Dotan Cohen]

On 15 June 2010 00:55, NoOp  wrote:
> On 06/14/2010 01:16 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> ...
>> No need to keep googling, Gary, I can take it from here! Though my
>> skills must be weak, I did not find that bug report. Do you remember
>> on what terms you searched? This is far from the first time that
>> you've found the things that I should have found myself!
>>
>
> I honestly can't recall; I _think_ I was searching (OOo search) on
> 'versioning +word or +doc'.
>
> Versioning in Word97 is the same menu structure: File|Versions. The
> change tracking is carried over between the documents, but the
> 'versions' are not. In OOo Help: versions;file saving as, restriction
> there is an ! warning which states:
>
> 
> Versions
> Saves and organizes multiple versions of the current document in the
> same file. You can also open, delete, and compare previous versions.
>
> To access this command...
> Choose File - Versions
>
> If you save a copy of a file that contains version information (by
> choosing File - Save As), the version information is not saved with the
> file.
> 
>
> I just tested the same in Word97; if I use File|SaveAs the 'Versions'
> option is available on the SaveAs dialog, as long as I don't change from
> the .doc format. However, if I use File|SaveAs and save the document as
> a WordPerfect (.wps) document, the File|Versions is greyed out just as
> it is in OOo. So, apparently MS Word (at least Word97) also does not
> support versioning with non-native document formats. I can test in
> Word2K and Word2007 later.
>
> BTW: This might be of interest:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Track_changes
>

Thanks, Gary. The issue was not a deal breaker and we have yet another
lab (well, half a lab) on Open Office!

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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[Jo]

can you help me. I want to use doc. files or word rather than openoffice. How 
do i change back?

--- On Sun, 6/20/10, Dotan Cohen  wrote:

> From: Dotan Cohen 
> Subject: Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format
> To: users@openoffice.org
> Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 2:40 PM
> On 15 June 2010 00:55, NoOp 
> wrote:
> > On 06/14/2010 01:16 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > ...
> >> No need to keep googling, Gary, I can take it from
> here! Though my
> >> skills must be weak, I did not find that bug
> report. Do you remember
> >> on what terms you searched? This is far from the
> first time that
> >> you've found the things that I should have found
> myself!
> >>
> >
> > I honestly can't recall; I _think_ I was searching
> (OOo search) on
> > 'versioning +word or +doc'.
> >
> > Versioning in Word97 is the same menu structure:
> File|Versions. The
> > change tracking is carried over between the documents,
> but the
> > 'versions' are not. In OOo Help: versions;file saving
> as, restriction
> > there is an ! warning which states:
> >
> > 
> > Versions
> > Saves and organizes multiple versions of the current
> document in the
> > same file. You can also open, delete, and compare
> previous versions.
> >
> > To access this command...
> > Choose File - Versions
> >
> > If you save a copy of a file that contains version
> information (by
> > choosing File - Save As), the version information is
> not saved with the
> > file.
> > 
> >
> > I just tested the same in Word97; if I use File|SaveAs
> the 'Versions'
> > option is available on the SaveAs dialog, as long as I
> don't change from
> > the .doc format. However, if I use File|SaveAs and
> save the document as
> > a WordPerfect (.wps) document, the File|Versions is
> greyed out just as
> > it is in OOo. So, apparently MS Word (at least Word97)
> also does not
> > support versioning with non-native document formats. I
> can test in
> > Word2K and Word2007 later.
> >
> > BTW: This might be of interest:
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Track_changes
> >
> 
> Thanks, Gary. The issue was not a deal breaker and we have
> yet another
> lab (well, half a lab) on Open Office!
> 
> -- 
> Dotan Cohen
> 
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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[Dotan Cohen]

On 20 June 2010 22:27, Jo  wrote:
> can you help me. I want to use doc. files or word rather than openoffice. How 
> do i change back?
>

Sure. Start a new message (not a reply) with a descriptive subject and
address it to the list.


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Re: [users] Re: Writer features disabled in .doc format

[Dotan Cohen]

On 21 June 2010 01:36, NoOp  wrote:
> Cool & well done! Keep in mind that there will be issues with multimedia
> in standard OOo (linux) unless you go through the jmf hoop. If they need
> multimedia, consider installing the go-oo or oxygenoffice versions
> (again I'm talking about linux). Those versions support gstreamer out of
> the box.
>

Thanks, I do try to always use Go-oo.

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