Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-17 Thread mike scott
On 16 Oct 2008 at 14:21, JOE Conner wrote:
...
 ..  Why implement an 
 unnecessary learning curve? 

Ummm, because you can sell lots of (re-)training courses, 
documentation and certification? Suggesting no names of course :-)


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Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-17 Thread JOE Conner

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just bought a new notebook computer.  I asked a friend where I could get a 
reasonable word processing, etc. package for my new computer.  He highly 
recommended using the Open Office Suite.  I went to your website and am very 
impressed!  At work I've been used to using the Micorsoft suite of software 
products, for which I can get/have a good base of reference material.  My question is, 
is there good reference material for the use of Open Office Suite software?  
I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this question because there are always 
times when we need good help to solve a problem...that is for cases when the 
help menu just isn't good enough.


Many thanks for your help, Victor Foose from Pennsylvania ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED])BRBRBR

  


I answered this already, back on the 16th.  I am pasting in my answer on 
that date:


TechAdmin @ VibrantLivingMinistries wrote:
From: JOE Conner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 
October 16, 2008 12:32 PM

To: users@openoffice.org
Subject: Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

There is plenty of online documentation.  For instance, to to:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html
or
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/index.html
or
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manua 


l
and many others.

I visited all three links, and I see no docs for OO 3. Are my eyes simply
missing something?

Thanks, Elchanan
  
My guess - since v3.0 just came out it will take months before user 
documentation is updated to reflect v3.0.  Usually there is little 
change to documentation necessary.  In other words, documentation 
relative to v1.4 is still largely applicable to v3.0.  The method of 
accomplishing a specific task is usually not changed.  Why implement an 
unnecessary learning curve?
New features need to be documented, and the documentation incorporated 
within the user manuals.  That will take awhile.


Your original question was:

QUOTE
My question is, is there good reference material for the use of Open 
Office Suite software?  I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this 
question because there are always times when we need good help to solve 
a problem...that is for cases when the help menu just isn't good enough.

END QUOTE.

I stand by my original answer.  Maybe I should have answered your 
question with the one word answer YES which would have been 
technically correct, but not of much help.


Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA

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Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-17 Thread M Henri Day
2008/10/17 JOE Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just bought a new notebook computer.  I asked a friend where I could get
 a reasonable word processing, etc. package for my new computer.  He highly
 recommended using the Open Office Suite.  I went to your website and am very
 impressed!  At work I've been used to using the Micorsoft suite of software
 products, for which I can get/have a good base of reference material.  My
 question is, is there good reference material for the use of Open Office
 Suite software?  I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this question because
 there are always times when we need good help to solve a problem...that is
 for cases when the help menu just isn't good enough.

 Many thanks for your help, Victor Foose from Pennsylvania (
 [EMAIL PROTECTED])BRBRBR




 I answered this already, back on the 16th.  I am pasting in my answer on
 that date:

 TechAdmin @ VibrantLivingMinistries wrote:

 From: JOE Conner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October
 16, 2008 12:32 PM
 To: users@openoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

 There is plenty of online documentation.  For instance, to to:
 http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html
 or
 http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/index.html
 or

 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manua
 l
 and many others.
 
 I visited all three links, and I see no docs for OO 3. Are my eyes simply
 missing something?

 Thanks, Elchanan


 My guess - since v3.0 just came out it will take months before user
 documentation is updated to reflect v3.0.  Usually there is little change to
 documentation necessary.  In other words, documentation relative to v1.4 is
 still largely applicable to v3.0.  The method of accomplishing a specific
 task is usually not changed.  Why implement an unnecessary learning curve?
 New features need to be documented, and the documentation incorporated
 within the user manuals.  That will take awhile.

 Your original question was:

 QUOTE
 My question is, is there good reference material for the use of Open Office
 Suite software?  I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this question because
 there are always times when we need good help to solve a problem...that is
 for cases when the help menu just isn't good enough.
 END QUOTE.

 I stand by my original answer.  Maybe I should have answered your question
 with the one word answer YES which would have been technically correct,
 but not of much help.

 Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA


My guess is that most new OOo 3 users will find the individual chapters and
appendices available for download as pdf files via

http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/userguide3/index.html

a good start, until more detailed manuals can be produced. And hopefully, as
Gary says, it will soon be possible to download the entire book in one fell
swoop

Henri


Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-17 Thread web at work


- Original Message - 
From: M Henri Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008/10/17 JOE Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED]


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I just bought a new notebook computer.  I asked a friend where I could 
get
a reasonable word processing, etc. package for my new computer.  He 
highly
recommended using the Open Office Suite.  I went to your website and am 
very
impressed!  At work I've been used to using the Micorsoft suite of 
software
products, for which I can get/have a good base of reference material. 
My

question is, is there good reference material for the use of Open Office
Suite software?  I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this question 
because
there are always times when we need good help to solve a problem...that 
is

for cases when the help menu just isn't good enough.

Many thanks for your help, Victor Foose from Pennsylvania (
[EMAIL PROTECTED])BRBRBR



snipped

There is plenty of online documentation.  For instance, to to:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html
or
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/index.html
or

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manua
l

snipped


My guess is that most new OOo 3 users will find the individual chapters 
and

appendices available for download as pdf files via

http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/userguide3/index.html

a good start, until more detailed manuals can be produced. And hopefully, 
as
Gary says, it will soon be possible to download the entire book in one 
fell

swoop

Henri





I did not want to give this email the 2-3 line link directly to the search 
results;

BUT
if you go to http://www.lulu.com and search for OpenOffice there are 
printed

books available.  This company prints books on demand so the low-volume
subjects are available to people that would not if you have to print 10,000 
or

more to go to the big book stores.

I do remember seeing links to books that went to the author's web sites. 
Many

of these books are found on LULU.com and other print-on-demand sites.

I figure the quickest way to get a 3.0 version book will be at one of these 
sites.



There is a 3.0 book at LULU.com already

A Conceptual Guide to OpenOffice.org 3   $29.50  284 pages - paperback

http://www.lulu.com/content/3158571
from LULU.com

A Conceptual Guide to OpenOffice.org 3 is an easy-to-read, thorough, 
self-paced guide to using the most popular open source office productivity 
suite. Written by an educator who is passionate about lifelong learning, 
this book is based upon teaching material he has developed over four years 
for instructional use in the classroom. This 284-page guide provides 
instruction for Writer, Calc, Impress and Base through ten hands-on lessons 
and four quick reference guides. New topics in this edition include 
installation instructions for the OpenOffice.org native Mac OS X port, 
installation and use of OpenOffice.org extensions, an overview of the 
OpenDocument format and much more. Internet access is required to download 
the necessary lesson files and free OpenOffice.org software.



So, if you want to read the docs on your computer, there are a lot of
free PDF files from OOo's web site, and others.
If you want printed books for ver 3.0, go to the print-on-demand sites.
I buy some books at Amazon.com and BN.com that are actually
print-on-demand books/titles.  I have had no troubles.
You might want to give it a try.  I am thinking about buying the
book myself and showing it to my group of people that I am
getting to change to OOo.  Might be another selling point to
be able to order printed books.

Tim L.
retired but still working hard



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Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-17 Thread vicfoose
Many thanks, James, for this information.? I went to the website that you 
referenced, and it provides many references which appear to satisfy my needs!? 
Thanks again, Victor







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From: James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: users@openoffice.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: [users] Reference material for the user...



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just bought a new notebook computer.  I asked a friend where I could get a 
 reasonable word processing, etc. package for my new computer.  He highly 
 recommended using the Open Office Suite.  I went to your website and am very 
 impressed!  At work I've been used to using the Micorsoft suite of software 
 products, for which I can get/have a good base of reference material.  My 
question is, 
 is there good reference material for the use of Open Office Suite software?  
 I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this question because there are always 
 times when we need good help to solve a problem...that is for cases when the 
 help menu just isn't good enough.

   

Take a look here:
http://support.openoffice.org/index.html



[users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-16 Thread VicFoose
I just bought a new notebook computer.  I asked a friend where I could get a 
reasonable word processing, etc. package for my new computer.  He highly 
recommended using the Open Office Suite.  I went to your website and am very 
impressed!  At work I've been used to using the Micorsoft suite of software 
products, for which I can get/have a good base of reference material.  My 
question is, 
is there good reference material for the use of Open Office Suite software?  
I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this question because there are always 
times when we need good help to solve a problem...that is for cases when the 
help menu just isn't good enough.

Many thanks for your help, Victor Foose from Pennsylvania ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED])BRBRBR
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Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-16 Thread JOE Conner

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just bought a new notebook computer.  I asked a friend where I could get a 
reasonable word processing, etc. package for my new computer.  He highly 
recommended using the Open Office Suite.  I went to your website and am very 
impressed!  At work I've been used to using the Micorsoft suite of software 
products, for which I can get/have a good base of reference material.  My question is, 
is there good reference material for the use of Open Office Suite software?  
I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this question because there are always 
times when we need good help to solve a problem...that is for cases when the 
help menu just isn't good enough.


  

There is plenty of online documentation.  For instance, to to:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html
or
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/index.html
or
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual
and many others.

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Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-16 Thread James Knott
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just bought a new notebook computer.  I asked a friend where I could get a 
 reasonable word processing, etc. package for my new computer.  He highly 
 recommended using the Open Office Suite.  I went to your website and am very 
 impressed!  At work I've been used to using the Micorsoft suite of software 
 products, for which I can get/have a good base of reference material.  My 
 question is, 
 is there good reference material for the use of Open Office Suite software?  
 I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this question because there are always 
 times when we need good help to solve a problem...that is for cases when the 
 help menu just isn't good enough.

   

Take a look here:
http://support.openoffice.org/index.html

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Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-16 Thread Jan Beranek
Hello,
there is lot of reference material on the web online, for example
documentation project
http://documentation.openoffice.org/
blog
http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/openoffice_books/
or books here:
http://support.openoffice.org/index.html#oob
http://www.amazon.com/OpenOffice-org-Dummies-Gurdy-Leete/dp/076454

etc.

I think, you can find a lot of more doc

Regards
Jan

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just bought a new notebook computer.  I asked a friend where I could get
 a
 reasonable word processing, etc. package for my new computer.  He highly
 recommended using the Open Office Suite.  I went to your website and am
 very
 impressed!  At work I've been used to using the Micorsoft suite of software
 products, for which I can get/have a good base of reference material.  My
 question is,
 is there good reference material for the use of Open Office Suite software?
 I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this question because there are
 always
 times when we need good help to solve a problem...that is for cases when
 the
 help menu just isn't good enough.

 Many thanks for your help, Victor Foose from Pennsylvania (
 [EMAIL PROTECTED])BRBRBR
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Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-16 Thread Barbara Duprey

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just bought a new notebook computer.  I asked a friend where I could get a 
reasonable word processing, etc. package for my new computer.  He highly 
recommended using the Open Office Suite.  I went to your website and am very 
impressed!  At work I've been used to using the Micorsoft suite of software 
products, for which I can get/have a good base of reference material.  My question is, 
is there good reference material for the use of Open Office Suite software?  
I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this question because there are always 
times when we need good help to solve a problem...that is for cases when the 
help menu just isn't good enough.


Many thanks for your help, Victor Foose from Pennsylvania ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


Welcome, and yes, there's a wealth of information available, mostly 
free. Here's a link to something that's a good beginning:


http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/0100GS-GettingStarted.pdf

Other more detailed guides are available at this ooauthors2 link, and 
there are other sources, too, like this wiki:


http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation


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RE: [users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-16 Thread TechAdmin @ VibrantLivingMinistries
From: JOE Conner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:32 PM
To: users@openoffice.org
Subject: Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

There is plenty of online documentation.  For instance, to to:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html
or
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/index.html
or
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manua
l
and many others.

I visited all three links, and I see no docs for OO 3. Are my eyes simply
missing something?

Thanks, 
Elchanan



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Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

2008-10-16 Thread JOE Conner

TechAdmin @ VibrantLivingMinistries wrote:
From: JOE Conner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:32 PM

To: users@openoffice.org
Subject: Re: [users] Reference material for the user...

There is plenty of online documentation.  For instance, to to:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html
or
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/index.html
or
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manua
l
and many others.

I visited all three links, and I see no docs for OO 3. Are my eyes simply
missing something?

Thanks, 
Elchanan
  
My guess - since v3.0 just came out it will take months before user 
documentation is updated to reflect v3.0.  Usually there is little 
change to documentation necessary.  In other words, documentation 
relative to v1.4 is still largely applicable to v3.0.  The method of 
accomplishing a specific task is usually not changed.  Why implement an 
unnecessary learning curve? 

New features need to be documented, and the documentation incorporated 
within the user manuals.  That will take awhile.


Your original question was:

QUOTE
My question is, is there good reference material for the use of Open 
Office Suite software?  I'm referring to books, etc...  I ask this 
question because there are always times when we need good help to solve 
a problem...that is for cases when the help menu just isn't good enough.

END QUOTE.

I stand by my original answer.  Maybe I should have answered your 
question with the one word answer YES which would have been 
technically correct, but not of much help.


Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA

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