Re: [Users] Virtuozzo containers no longer a supported Virtuozzo product !?

[Konstantin Khorenko]

Hi guys,

> Please note: Virtuozzo Containers for Linux is no longer a supported 
Virtuozzo product. Users can purchase extended support until September 2020.

please don't panic,
this sentence is about only old product "VIRTUOZZO CONTAINERS FOR LINUX 4.7",
this is not about the technology itself surely. :)

The current version of the product with Container technology goes under name 
"Virtuozzo Hybrid Server 7".

Here you can see the list of products and their lifecycle milestones:
https://www.virtuozzo.com/support/all-products/lifecycle-policies.html

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Konstantin Khorenko,
Virtuozzo Linux Kernel Team

On 12/04/2020 11:20 PM, jjs - mainphrame wrote:

I hear what you are saying about deploying lxc on any Linux distro. That is a 
strong point.

But for me it's a good tradeoff. Maybe someday lxc/lxd will reach the level of 
openvz, and if so, I'll re-evaluate, but for now I'm fine with setting up 
dedicated openvz boxes, as
I can deploy any Linux distro in a container, or any OS in a VM.

Jake



On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Narcis Garcia mailto:informat...@actiu.net>> wrote:

I'm migrating servers from OpenVZ to LXC (by using ctctl) because I can
deploy LXC on any GNU/Linux distro and archichecture.

BUT: LXC still does not work as optimal as OpenVZ, and OpenVZ is far
more mature than LXC.



Narcis Garcia
El 4/12/20 a les 20:15, jjs - mainphrame ha escrit:
> I think it's just that virtuozzo is no longer supporting the "containers
> only" solution. The new baseline is "containers and VMs".
>
> I agree they might have made that more clear, but it seems there's no
> cause for worry. I've done long term testing with lxc/lxd and after
> various issues, ended up moving all containers to openvz.
>
> The ability to do VMs is a plus, for instance if I have to hold my nose
> and spin up a windows VM for testing.
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:06 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT
> mailto:jehan.procac...@imtbs-tsp.eu> 
>> wrote:
>
> then,  is this a "marketing" miss leading information ? , or
> Containers (CT) , which are to me the most added value of virtuozzo
> technology is to be terminated ?
> that should be claryfied by virtuozzo staff.
>
> indeed in
> https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/virtuozzo-hybrid-server.html ,
> containers => https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/compute.html
> are mentionned
> and in
> 
https://www.virtuozzo.com/fileadmin/user_upload/downloads/Data_Sheets/Virtuozzo7-Platform-DS-EN-Ltr.pdf
>
> I hardly defend virtuozzo/openVZ vs proxmox in my community because
> of VZ CTs which are supposed by far better than LXC containers (!?)
>
> Thanks to prove me right .
>
> regards .
>
>
> Le 04/12/2020 à 19:48, jjs - mainphrame a écrit :
>> That looked strange to me, but after looking at their website, it
>> seems they're just announcing the end of support for old product
>> lines.
>>
>> It looks like "Virtuozzo Hybrid Server" is basically what we have
>> in openvz 7, plus premium features.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT
>> mailto:jehan.procac...@imtbs-tsp.eu>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> defending the added value of virtuozzo containers (CT) , one
>> replied me with :
>>
>> 
https://www.virtuozzo.com/support/all-products/virtuozzo-containers.html
>>
>> /*Please note*: Virtuozzo Containers for Linux is no longer a
>> supported Virtuozzo product. Users can purchase extended
>> support until September 2020./
>>
>> is this serious !?
>>
>> Please let us know .
>>
>> Regards .
>>
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Re: [Users] Virtuozzo containers no longer a supported Virtuozzo product !?

[Narcis Garcia]

I'm migrating servers from OpenVZ to LXC (by using ctctl) because I can
deploy LXC on any GNU/Linux distro and archichecture.

BUT: LXC still does not work as optimal as OpenVZ, and OpenVZ is far
more mature than LXC.



Narcis Garcia
El 4/12/20 a les 20:15, jjs - mainphrame ha escrit:
> I think it's just that virtuozzo is no longer supporting the "containers
> only" solution. The new baseline is "containers and VMs".
> 
> I agree they might have made that more clear, but it seems there's no
> cause for worry. I've done long term testing with lxc/lxd and after
> various issues, ended up moving all containers to openvz.
> 
> The ability to do VMs is a plus, for instance if I have to hold my nose
> and spin up a windows VM for testing.
> 
> Jake
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:06 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT
> mailto:jehan.procac...@imtbs-tsp.eu>> wrote:
> 
> then,  is this a "marketing" miss leading information ? , or
> Containers (CT) , which are to me the most added value of virtuozzo
> technology is to be terminated ?
> that should be claryfied by virtuozzo staff.
> 
> indeed in
> https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/virtuozzo-hybrid-server.html ,
> containers => https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/compute.html
> are mentionned
> and in
> 
> https://www.virtuozzo.com/fileadmin/user_upload/downloads/Data_Sheets/Virtuozzo7-Platform-DS-EN-Ltr.pdf
> 
> I hardly defend virtuozzo/openVZ vs proxmox in my community because
> of VZ CTs which are supposed by far better than LXC containers (!?)
> 
> Thanks to prove me right .
> 
> regards .
> 
> 
> Le 04/12/2020 à 19:48, jjs - mainphrame a écrit :
>> That looked strange to me, but after looking at their website, it
>> seems they're just announcing the end of support for old product
>> lines. 
>>
>> It looks like "Virtuozzo Hybrid Server" is basically what we have
>> in openvz 7, plus premium features.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> defending the added value of virtuozzo containers (CT) , one
>> replied me with :
>>
>> 
>> https://www.virtuozzo.com/support/all-products/virtuozzo-containers.html
>>
>> /*Please note*: Virtuozzo Containers for Linux is no longer a
>> supported Virtuozzo product. Users can purchase extended
>> support until September 2020./
>>
>> is this serious !?
>>
>> Please let us know .
>>
>> Regards .
>>
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>> Users@openvz.org 
>> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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Re: [Users] Virtuozzo containers no longer a supported Virtuozzo product !?

[Jehan Procaccia IMT]

Great, sound's better this way !, thanks .
to prevent others from miss leading, maybe that note one the page 
https://www.virtuozzo.com/support/all-products/virtuozzo-containers.html
should be extended with your's "The current version of the product with 
Container technology goes under name "Virtuozzo Hybrid Server 7". and a 
link to it .


Regards .

Jehan

Le 04/12/2020 à 21:42, Konstantin Khorenko a écrit :

Hi guys,

> Please note: Virtuozzo Containers for Linux is no longer a supported 
Virtuozzo product. Users can purchase extended support until September 
2020.


please don't panic,
this sentence is about only old product "VIRTUOZZO CONTAINERS FOR 
LINUX 4.7",

this is not about the technology itself surely. :)

The current version of the product with Container technology goes 
under name "Virtuozzo Hybrid Server 7".


Here you can see the list of products and their lifecycle milestones:
https://www.virtuozzo.com/support/all-products/lifecycle-policies.html

--
Best regards,

Konstantin Khorenko,
Virtuozzo Linux Kernel Team

On 12/04/2020 11:20 PM, jjs - mainphrame wrote:
I hear what you are saying about deploying lxc on any Linux distro. 
That is a strong point.


But for me it's a good tradeoff. Maybe someday lxc/lxd will reach the 
level of openvz, and if so, I'll re-evaluate, but for now I'm fine 
with setting up dedicated openvz boxes, as

I can deploy any Linux distro in a container, or any OS in a VM.

Jake



On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Narcis Garcia > wrote:


    I'm migrating servers from OpenVZ to LXC (by using ctctl) because 
I can

    deploy LXC on any GNU/Linux distro and archichecture.

    BUT: LXC still does not work as optimal as OpenVZ, and OpenVZ is far
    more mature than LXC.



    Narcis Garcia
    El 4/12/20 a les 20:15, jjs - mainphrame ha escrit:
    > I think it's just that virtuozzo is no longer supporting the 
"containers

    > only" solution. The new baseline is "containers and VMs".
    >
    > I agree they might have made that more clear, but it seems 
there's no
    > cause for worry. I've done long term testing with lxc/lxd and 
after

    > various issues, ended up moving all containers to openvz.
    >
    > The ability to do VMs is a plus, for instance if I have to hold 
my nose

    > and spin up a windows VM for testing.
    >
    > Jake
    >
    >
    >
    > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:06 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT
    >  
>> wrote:

    >
    > then,  is this a "marketing" miss leading information ? , or
    > Containers (CT) , which are to me the most added value of 
virtuozzo

    > technology is to be terminated ?
    > that should be claryfied by virtuozzo staff.
    >
    > indeed in
    > https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/virtuozzo-hybrid-server.html ,
    > containers => https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/compute.html
    > are mentionned
    > and in
    > 
https://www.virtuozzo.com/fileadmin/user_upload/downloads/Data_Sheets/Virtuozzo7-Platform-DS-EN-Ltr.pdf

    >
    > I hardly defend virtuozzo/openVZ vs proxmox in my community 
because
    > of VZ CTs which are supposed by far better than LXC 
containers (!?)

    >
    > Thanks to prove me right .
    >
    > regards .
    >
    >
    > Le 04/12/2020 à 19:48, jjs - mainphrame a écrit :
    >> That looked strange to me, but after looking at their 
website, it
    >> seems they're just announcing the end of support for old 
product

    >> lines.
    >>
    >> It looks like "Virtuozzo Hybrid Server" is basically what 
we have

    >> in openvz 7, plus premium features.
    >>
    >> Joe
    >>
    >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT
    >> 
    >> >> wrote:

    >>
    >> Hello
    >>
    >> defending the added value of virtuozzo containers (CT) 
, one

    >> replied me with :
    >>
    >> 
https://www.virtuozzo.com/support/all-products/virtuozzo-containers.html

    >>
    >> /*Please note*: Virtuozzo Containers for Linux is no 
longer a

    >> supported Virtuozzo product. Users can purchase extended
    >> support until September 2020./
    >>
    >> is this serious !?
    >>
    >> Please let us know .
    >>
    >> Regards .
    >>
    >> ___
    >> Users mailing list
    >> Users@openvz.org  
>

    >> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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Re: [Users] Virtuozzo containers no longer a supported Virtuozzo product !?

[jjs - mainphrame]

I hear what you are saying about deploying lxc on any Linux distro. That is
a strong point.

But for me it's a good tradeoff. Maybe someday lxc/lxd will reach the level
of openvz, and if so, I'll re-evaluate, but for now I'm fine with setting
up dedicated openvz boxes, as I can deploy any Linux distro in a container,
or any OS in a VM.

Jake



On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Narcis Garcia  wrote:

> I'm migrating servers from OpenVZ to LXC (by using ctctl) because I can
> deploy LXC on any GNU/Linux distro and archichecture.
>
> BUT: LXC still does not work as optimal as OpenVZ, and OpenVZ is far
> more mature than LXC.
>
>
>
> Narcis Garcia
> El 4/12/20 a les 20:15, jjs - mainphrame ha escrit:
> > I think it's just that virtuozzo is no longer supporting the "containers
> > only" solution. The new baseline is "containers and VMs".
> >
> > I agree they might have made that more clear, but it seems there's no
> > cause for worry. I've done long term testing with lxc/lxd and after
> > various issues, ended up moving all containers to openvz.
> >
> > The ability to do VMs is a plus, for instance if I have to hold my nose
> > and spin up a windows VM for testing.
> >
> > Jake
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:06 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT
> > mailto:jehan.procac...@imtbs-tsp.eu>>
> wrote:
> >
> > then,  is this a "marketing" miss leading information ? , or
> > Containers (CT) , which are to me the most added value of virtuozzo
> > technology is to be terminated ?
> > that should be claryfied by virtuozzo staff.
> >
> > indeed in
> > https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/virtuozzo-hybrid-server.html ,
> > containers => https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/compute.html
> > are mentionned
> > and in
> >
> https://www.virtuozzo.com/fileadmin/user_upload/downloads/Data_Sheets/Virtuozzo7-Platform-DS-EN-Ltr.pdf
> >
> > I hardly defend virtuozzo/openVZ vs proxmox in my community because
> > of VZ CTs which are supposed by far better than LXC containers (!?)
> >
> > Thanks to prove me right .
> >
> > regards .
> >
> >
> > Le 04/12/2020 à 19:48, jjs - mainphrame a écrit :
> >> That looked strange to me, but after looking at their website, it
> >> seems they're just announcing the end of support for old product
> >> lines.
> >>
> >> It looks like "Virtuozzo Hybrid Server" is basically what we have
> >> in openvz 7, plus premium features.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT
> >>  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> defending the added value of virtuozzo containers (CT) , one
> >> replied me with :
> >>
> >>
> https://www.virtuozzo.com/support/all-products/virtuozzo-containers.html
> >>
> >> /*Please note*: Virtuozzo Containers for Linux is no longer a
> >> supported Virtuozzo product. Users can purchase extended
> >> support until September 2020./
> >>
> >> is this serious !?
> >>
> >> Please let us know .
> >>
> >> Regards .
> >>
> >> ___
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> >> Users@openvz.org 
> >> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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> >>
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Re: [Users] Virtuozzo containers no longer a supported Virtuozzo product !?

[jjs - mainphrame]

I think it's just that virtuozzo is no longer supporting the "containers
only" solution. The new baseline is "containers and VMs".

I agree they might have made that more clear, but it seems there's no cause
for worry. I've done long term testing with lxc/lxd and after various
issues, ended up moving all containers to openvz.

The ability to do VMs is a plus, for instance if I have to hold my nose and
spin up a windows VM for testing.

Jake



On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:06 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT <
jehan.procac...@imtbs-tsp.eu> wrote:

> then,  is this a "marketing" miss leading information ? , or Containers
> (CT) , which are to me the most added value of virtuozzo technology is to
> be terminated ?
> that should be claryfied by virtuozzo staff.
>
> indeed in https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/virtuozzo-hybrid-server.html
> , containers => https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/compute.html
> are mentionned
> and in
> https://www.virtuozzo.com/fileadmin/user_upload/downloads/Data_Sheets/Virtuozzo7-Platform-DS-EN-Ltr.pdf
>
> I hardly defend virtuozzo/openVZ vs proxmox in my community because of VZ
> CTs which are supposed by far better than LXC containers (!?)
>
> Thanks to prove me right .
>
> regards .
>
>
> Le 04/12/2020 à 19:48, jjs - mainphrame a écrit :
>
> That looked strange to me, but after looking at their website, it seems
> they're just announcing the end of support for old product lines.
>
> It looks like "Virtuozzo Hybrid Server" is basically what we have in
> openvz 7, plus premium features.
>
> Joe
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT <
> jehan.procac...@imtbs-tsp.eu> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> defending the added value of virtuozzo containers (CT) , one replied me
>> with :
>>
>> https://www.virtuozzo.com/support/all-products/virtuozzo-containers.html
>>
>> *Please note: Virtuozzo Containers for Linux is no longer a supported
>> Virtuozzo product. Users can purchase extended support until
>> September 2020.*
>>
>> is this serious !?
>>
>> Please let us know .
>>
>> Regards .
>> ___
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>> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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Re: [Users] Virtuozzo containers no longer a supported Virtuozzo product !?

[Jehan Procaccia IMT]

then,  is this a "marketing" miss leading information ? , or Containers 
(CT) , which are to me the most added value of virtuozzo technology is 
to be terminated ?

that should be claryfied by virtuozzo staff.

indeed in 
https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/virtuozzo-hybrid-server.html , 
containers => https://www.virtuozzo.com/products/compute.html

are mentionned
and in 
https://www.virtuozzo.com/fileadmin/user_upload/downloads/Data_Sheets/Virtuozzo7-Platform-DS-EN-Ltr.pdf


I hardly defend virtuozzo/openVZ vs proxmox in my community because of 
VZ CTs which are supposed by far better than LXC containers (!?)


Thanks to prove me right .

regards .


Le 04/12/2020 à 19:48, jjs - mainphrame a écrit :
That looked strange to me, but after looking at their website, it 
seems they're just announcing the end of support for old product lines.


It looks like "Virtuozzo Hybrid Server" is basically what we have in 
openvz 7, plus premium features.


Joe

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT 
mailto:jehan.procac...@imtbs-tsp.eu>> 
wrote:


Hello

defending the added value of virtuozzo containers (CT) , one
replied me with :

https://www.virtuozzo.com/support/all-products/virtuozzo-containers.html


/*Please note*: Virtuozzo Containers for Linux is no longer a
supported Virtuozzo product. Users can purchase extended support
until September 2020./

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Please let us know .

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Re: [Users] Virtuozzo containers no longer a supported Virtuozzo product !?

[jjs - mainphrame]

That looked strange to me, but after looking at their website, it seems
they're just announcing the end of support for old product lines.

It looks like "Virtuozzo Hybrid Server" is basically what we have in openvz
7, plus premium features.

Joe

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jehan Procaccia IMT <
jehan.procac...@imtbs-tsp.eu> wrote:

> Hello
>
> defending the added value of virtuozzo containers (CT) , one replied me
> with :
>
> https://www.virtuozzo.com/support/all-products/virtuozzo-containers.html
>
> *Please note: Virtuozzo Containers for Linux is no longer a supported
> Virtuozzo product. Users can purchase extended support until
> September 2020.*
>
> is this serious !?
>
> Please let us know .
>
> Regards .
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[Users] Virtuozzo containers no longer a supported Virtuozzo product !?

[Jehan Procaccia IMT]

Hello

defending the added value of virtuozzo containers (CT) , one replied me 
with :


https://www.virtuozzo.com/support/all-products/virtuozzo-containers.html

/*Please note*: Virtuozzo Containers for Linux is no longer a supported 
Virtuozzo product. Users can purchase extended support until 
September 2020./


is this serious !?

Please let us know .

Regards .

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