Re: [ovirt-users] Ovirt user experience survey
Thanks to all who responded to this survey request. Only a few more days to go before the survey closes - So please make your voice be heard and take the survey :) Survey link - http://www.keysurvey.com/f/609310/5d3f/ Thanks Malini - Original Message - From: Malini Rao m...@redhat.com To: Users@ovirt.org users@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24:05 PM Subject: Ovirt user experience survey Hello everyone! We would like to collect feedback on how Ovirt meets your functional and usability goals so that it can become the basis for future improvements. Here is a short survey that I hope you will take the time to complete. Survey link - http://www.keysurvey.com/f/609310/5d3f/ This is a high level survey and if you would like to talk more or stay involved in user experience design activities or even send any sketches for that idea that has been brewing in your head for a while, then please reach out to me or send a message to this list with 'User experience:' prefixing your subject line. Your opinion is valuable and we hope to hear your voice through your survey response :) Please respond to this survey by May 1, 2014. Thanks in advance, Malini ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[ovirt-users] Ovirt user experience survey
Hello everyone! We would like to collect feedback on how Ovirt meets your functional and usability goals so that it can become the basis for future improvements. Here is a short survey that I hope you will take the time to complete. Survey link - http://www.keysurvey.com/f/609310/5d3f/ This is a high level survey and if you would like to talk more or stay involved in user experience design activities or even send any sketches for that idea that has been brewing in your head for a while, then please reach out to me or send a message to this list with 'User experience:' prefixing your subject line. Your opinion is valuable and we hope to hear your voice through your survey response :) Please respond to this survey by May 1, 2014. Thanks in advance, Malini ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] oVirt 3.5 planning
- Original Message - From: Markus Stockhausen stockhau...@collogia.de To: Itamar Heim ih...@redhat.com, users@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:20:24 PM Subject: Re: [Users] oVirt 3.5 planning Von: users-boun...@ovirt.org [users-boun...@ovirt.org]quot; im Auftrag von quot;Itamar Heim [ih...@redhat.com] Gesendet: Montag, 24. Februar 2014 17:59 An: users@ovirt.org Betreff: [Users] oVirt 3.5 planning with oVirt 3.4 getting close to GA with many many great features, time to collect requests for 3.5... 1) Webadmin cleanups. Several places provide too many informations that make them feel overloaded. Columns that one usually does not care about in the daily administration. - main VM disk overview includes column with UUIDs - VM overview includes column with display type (SPICE/VNC) - VM overview includes additional status column (text: up/down) - hosts overview includes host name/ip column +1 We have talked of revisiting what gets displayed by default before too and also worked on a column selector that would allow users to display these other attributes when they feel it is necessary. Together, it may help address the information overload issue you are talking about. Can you and/or anyone else in the community continue the list you started here and identify the columns that are not useful to you in the various list views in Ovirt? I will be happy to compile them and then consolidate it after doing the pertinent analysis and reporting it back to you all for feedback. thanks Malini ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] Organizing toolbar content in Ovirt - Feedback requested
Hi everyone, Ovirt is a powerful tool with rich functionality where users are able to take a wider range of actions on various business entities. This results in richly populate toolbars but also however creates problems such as cognitive overload, visual clutter and layout issues on smaller screen resolutions. Attached is a proposal to control and organize the toolbar content. We would love your feedback and comments on this so that we can determine if we can make these changes and/or do some usability testing around it. Thanks Malini Ovirt Action Separators.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] Gluster volume snapshots feature UX feedback
Hi Shubendu, I saw your invite for your walkthrough on the feature - Gluster volume snapshots and also followed the feature link on the wiki and reviewed it. From the UX/ UI perspective, it looks good and I had only a couple of comments. The remove snapshot section seems to indicate an ability to delete multiple snapshots at once and I am not sure we support any batch actions as of now elsewhere in the tool. Ctrl+click is not supported on lists today I think. So, I wanted to find out if you were going to introduce this for your feature. If yes, then we should ensure all other grids are enabled with this multi-select capability. If not, we should refrain from introducing something just for this feature for the sake of consistency and across feature product cohesiveness. The other feedback I have is on the snapshot configuration dialog. It will be great if any units can be added to the right of the field because one is a number and the other is a percentage but the field labels are so similar sounding. The field labels with the dashes in between the words also make it look very homegrown and seems like we are exposing some internal labels to our users. Last but not least, since the terminology of 'snapshots' overlaps with VM snapshots, we should just ensure that no similar action does wildly different things although it seems like snapshotting here is much more simple. Hope this is helpful, Thanks Malini ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Thanks for the thumbs up Karli. These are sample screens and we should extend the updated look feel to the user portal too for consistency. So more screens will have to be worked out. - Original Message - From: Karli Sjöberg karli.sjob...@slu.se To: Malini Rao m...@redhat.com Cc: users users@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt mån 2013-10-14 klockan 13:06 -0400 skrev Malini Rao: Hi all, Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF . Your feedback and input is invited. Thanks Malini ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users I think it looks great, big thumbs up! Do you also have plans for the UserPortal? -- Med Vänliga Hälsningar --- Karli Sjöberg Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences Box 7079 (Visiting Address Kronåsvägen 8) S-750 07 Uppsala, Sweden Phone: +46-(0)18-67 15 66 karli.sjob...@slu.se ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Alissa, Thanks for the insightful suggestions. Some comments inline - - Original Message - From: Alissa Bonas abo...@redhat.com To: Malini Rao m...@redhat.com Cc: users users@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:15:29 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt Hi Malini, Really nice :) Few comments: 1. The tabs now don't look like tabs, and IMHO it's confusing. It now looks just like text - is it a button? a tab? another screen. I think it's not clear. It is also less clear in the sub tabs section as well. I think because I presented a static screen, it is not clear how this can function as tabs or categories/ sections of information. Upon hover and selection, the visual treatment will indicate that this is a Navigation option. Having said that, maybe we can try to strengthen the hover/ selected state visual treatment. 2. How about making the tabs area Data Centers/Storage/Hosts... text in bold? Because the buttons under them look more vivid and the tabs area looks pale. Will iterate with a visual designer on how these two elements can be further balanced. 3. Having the same X icon in Remove and Cancel migration options is confusing. Especially when they are in the same menu. Good point. FYI, These icons were quick placeholders to get a quick overall impression of the new proposal. 4. Something that was present in the previous UI as well, but perhaps can be improved - the Events option. There are 3 Events buttons/menu in the same screen. Either they represent different events options (different context, for example) - and they should be named and placed accordingly, or maybe the number of events occurences can be reduced in the UI? Again, this is something on my list too. But as indicated earlier, this proposal aims to freshen the current UI as is. 5. The colors of the new look and feel - maybe try a different green? The blue seems to have a lighter shade than green, so perhaps somehow make them more unified? Will iterate with visual designer. - Original Message - From: Malini Rao m...@redhat.com To: users users@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:06:49 PM Subject: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt Hi all, Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited. Thanks Malini ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Rene, the column widths are not prescriptive in the mockup and the current percentages can be maintained in the new design as well. Reducing information overload is a very valid point but outside the scope of this discussion which is primarily visual. I agree that it contributes to the overall look and feel of the page but is a separate effort from the development point of view. Your points on the colors are all noted and we will iterate. Thanks Malini - Original Message - From: René Koch (ovido) r.k...@ovido.at To: Itamar Heim ih...@redhat.com Cc: users@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:21:14 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 20:22 -0400, Itamar Heim wrote: On 10/15/2013 04:36 AM, Frank Wall wrote: Hi Malini, On 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote: Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited. I think your proposal looks way better than the current oVirt interface and I think it would definitively be an improvement. Though I think the oVirt admin interface still looks somewhat bloated. I always thought that it shows too much information at once, but only few of these facts are actually useful. Some columns are useless most of the time. This is especially true if you consider the Virtual Machines tab just an overview, not an in-depth view of all VMs. Lets discuss this further: - Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview - Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me about this - Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for anything - Host, IP, Cluster, Datacenter: Really, why should I care about these details, if I just want to see an overview of my VMs? If I want to know any of these, I can click on any VM and see every detail. Or I choose a specific datacenter or Cluster to see specific details about it. I think this applies to almost every overview page in oVirt. It's too much information at once, and even worse, too much useless information. Rene, the column widths are not prescriptive in the mockup and the current percentages can be maintained in the new design as well. Reducing information overload is a very valid point but outside the scope of this discussion which is primarily visual. I agree that it contributes to the overall look and feel of the page but is a separate effort from the development point of view. The point is to show only *really* important information first (status, usage), and from this point the user/admin should be able to go deeper and view specific details. Remember, it's just my opinion :-) as malini mentioned, this focused on look and feel. please open a BZ to track the RFE of allowing to choose which columns to see per main tab. I'm of the same opinion as Frank (and others) - there should be an option to remove/add columns to improve the look and feel. Focusing on look and feel includes this discussion as well (imho) - not just colors. The login screen posted by Malini looks really great - much better then the actual one. I also like the colors of the webadmin interface, but usability is decreased (in the screenshot) compared with the old design. Let me explain why: When I click on Virtual Machines the most important information for me is the name of a virtual machine, but it's not that easy to find the name (Name column is smaller as Host, IP Address, Cluster and Data Center). If the Name would be bold (or in another color) and columns can be removed it's much easier for me to find the right vm. Furthermore the columns for Memory, CPU and Network are ways to big and the green is too bright - this is just additional information which can be very useful but shouldn't attract me too much. So I suggest to highlight the vm names in some way and make the Name column the bigger then all other (per default - users can resize it anyways). The blue highlight of the tabs looks nice, but I fear many users will not recognize these items as tabs. As a conclusion: I like the new colors a lot, but a few adjustments are needed to improve the usability. Regards, René ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Thanks everyone for an enthusiastic response of the Look and feel proposal to update Ovirt. I am glad that overall the reaction is positive. Here is a summary of what I heard from you all as suggestions for improvement - Feedback on LF for Ovirt - Push back on simplistic icons for communicative value and subjective preference + familiarity with existing - Too much space for resource graphs ( percentage columns on console screen) - Colors ---Evaluate the choice of greens in the load bars ( too big and too bright and attention getting for something that is supplementary info), the unselected icons and the green line in masthead. --- The shades of blue and green don't seem to go very well together - Evaluate for cohesion/ harmony and readability. - How will the User portal look in the new style? - On Console, the tabs recede and the toolbar dominates - Same x is used for remove and cancel migrate - confusing - The tabs/ sub tabs now don't look like tabs - It now looks just like text.. Should be recognizable as tabs or Nav items. - Make sure 1064x768 resolution is not worse than it is today in new design - Primary info in the grid should stand out and not drown in all the noise. New ideas/ features ( Not in scope for now) Sparklines to give us some sense of recent history for each row Column customization/ column sorting Reducing bottom pane with details Better treatment of Events Low resolution layouts/ usability issues Responsive design Please let me know if I misunderstood anything or if I missed anything significant. I will work with the visual designers and incorporate some of these suggestions and present another iteration. Thanks Malini - Original Message - From: Federico Alberto Sayd fs...@uncu.edu.ar To: users@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt Hi Malini, From the LF perspective it looks much better. What I'd like you to review is the resolution you are using. This seems to be taken in a full-hd screen, where I think we should be able to support somewhat lower resolution, where LF may have a big impact. Would you consider posting also a lower resolution sample? Responsive web design[1] could be the answer and a nice feature. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design -- Federico ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
[Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Hi all, Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited. Thanks Malini ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Thanks Gianluca. One followup question - Is the preference for the existing icon set because users are already familiar with them or because it is harder to discern the icons in the new style or just a subjective preference? Thanks Malini - Original Message - From: Gianluca Cecchi gianluca.cec...@gmail.com To: Malini Rao m...@redhat.com Cc: users users@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 2:46:02 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Malini Rao wrote: Hi all, Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited. Thanks Malini I like very much the clean layout of the proposed admin console but I prefer the current icon set. I prefer the current login page, but it could depend on the background of the new proposed one that I don't like very much. Thanks for your time. Gianluca ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Thanks Juan. The proposals around the first round of updating was intentionally kept to just look feel and not making any functional or interaction changes. If the basics are ok, then we can build on it with regard to other changes as necessary. -Malini - Original Message - From: Juan Pablo Lorier jplor...@gmail.com To: users@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:25:59 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt It's pretty, no much of a change, but a nice one. Regards, ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Thanks John and Fabian. As I mentioned in another email and in the wiki page, the first round proposal limits itself to look feel alone. Sparklines can definitely be considered but is also a new feature and will have to be triaged as such. -Malini - Original Message - From: Fabian Deutsch fabi...@redhat.com To: John Taylor jtt77...@gmail.com Cc: users users@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:34:21 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt Am Montag, den 14.10.2013, 15:14 -0400 schrieb John Taylor: Hi Malini, I like what you've done very much. But if you're going to give that much space to the resource graphs, is it possible to do something like sparklines to give us some sense of recent history? +1 - IMO sparklines would be a good idea here. - fabian -John On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Malini Rao m...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited. Thanks Malini ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Setup Host Network dialog - actions availability [ux][BZ#984737]
- Original Message - From: Einav Cohen eco...@redhat.com To: Eldan Hildesheim ehild...@redhat.com Cc: info i...@eldanet.com, users users@ovirt.org, j...@cs.yorku.ca, Malini Rao m...@redhat.com, Lior Vernia lver...@redhat.com, Karli Sjöberg karli.sjob...@slu.se, René Koch (ovido) r.k...@ovido.at Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:48:31 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Setup Host Network dialog - actions availability [ux][BZ#984737] - Original Message - From: Eldan Hildesheim ehild...@redhat.com Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:41:55 AM Hi, The SPACE to the right of the text was made originally only for the purpose network icon (crown, vm, monitor...) - at one glance the user should understand the purpose of the network. No other icon (edit) should interfere the understanding of this purpose. 1. Putting a gear instead of a pencil is ok with me - but It shouldn't be static - it should be shown only in rollover: It is totally normal to rollover an item and get more options about it and not having an edit icon next to it. (We don't have an icon inside each line in the grid as well). again - reminding the original subject of my thread / original pain-point mentioned in the description of BZ#984737: the user had a hard time finding the edit icon in the first place. Replacing a tiny pencil icon with a tiny gear icon (but still displaying it only upon hover) kind-of misses the entire point IMO. a static indication will be helpful in this case. [users: it this is NOT a real pain point - please let us know] Moreover, the fact that the area on the right-hand side of the network-rectangle was made originally only for read-only purpose icons is OK, but it doesn't mean that we cannot change that. Alissa made a point about removing the rectangles around the purpose icons (see attached) with which I agree - it will make them look less like buttons and more like read-only icons. if we will graphically distinguish the gear icon (e.g. separator, border, etc.) so that it wouldn't be mistakenly considered as another purpose icon, but as a button, we wouldn't a problem. MR: I agree that removing the boxes around the read only informational labels will help in distinguishing an action from a label and the separator is also a great idea. I understand Eldan's thinking in terms of revealing the Actions on rollover but I think given that this is a dense graphic screen with lots of visual elements, users may be finding it hard to detect a tiny addition in the form of a icon. For this reason, I suggested this to be static. 2. The implementation as it is now is a bit bizarre, you rollover the box and you get the EDIT TOOL (pencil) and the TOOLTIP. Sketch - Option 1 - merges both of the technics together. was there a sketch that you intended to attach? or did you refer to one of the attachments in one of the previous e-mails in the thread? But in case we don't really need a tool tip as Lior suggests, we can eliminated the tooltip and go with option 2 (wheel + arrow in rollover) I assume that you mean that gear + arrow will appear upon rollover, not that gear + arrow will always be displayed and the actual available actions (edit, remove) will appear upon hover (which is what I suggested). Which means that in your suggestion - actual available actions (edit, remove) will appear only upon mouse-click (which means that in order to edit a network, two clicks will be required, instead of one today / my suggestion)? Eldan - Original Message - From: Einav Cohen eco...@redhat.com To: users users@ovirt.org Cc: Lior Vernia lver...@redhat.com, info i...@eldanet.com, Eldan Hildesheim ehild...@redhat.com, j...@cs.yorku.ca, Karli Sjöberg karli.sjob...@slu.se, René Koch (ovido) r.k...@ovido.at, Malini Rao m...@redhat.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:23:31 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Setup Host Network dialog - actions availability [ux][BZ#984737] [top posting] Many thanks, everyone, for your valuable input - it is highly appreciated! I would like to do an interim summary of our conclusions / open issues so far, towards converging to a concrete solution. your feedback will be highly appreciated. (1) [open issue] actions availability indication: (a) always visible (e.g. as a gear icon, see attached HostSetupNetworks-DropDownMenu.png) (b) visible only upon hover (see attached HostSetupNetworks-HoverPopUp.png) (c) combination (see attached SetupHostNetworks-StaticAndHoverCombination.png) [ignore the exact design details for now (e.g. hover solution contains / doesn't contain some network details, gear icon drop-down items panel opens upon hover / upon click, etc.] I think we all agree that (c) is a bad redundancy; (a) may somewhat clutter the existing view, however it best resolves the original pain point mentioned in the BZ
[Users] Feedback/ input needed on Host power management
Hello all, In taking a look at the current implementation of Hosts Power management, we have come up with a couple of approaches on improving this from a UX perspective -http://www.ovirt.org/Talk:Community#UXD_Proposals_for_Host_Power_management. We want your thoughts and input on what approach makes more sense from a user's perspective before fine tuning the UI. Thanks Malini User Experience designer ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
