Re: [Users] Package installation error
- Original Message - > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" > To: "Simon Grinberg" > Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Shireesh Anjal" > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:51:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Simon Grinberg" > > To: "Shireesh Anjal" > > Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Alon Bar-Lev" > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:46:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Shireesh Anjal" > > > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" > > > Cc: "Simon Grinberg" , users@ovirt.org > > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 8:34:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > > > > On 03/22/2013 12:11 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message - > > > >> From: "Simon Grinberg" > > > >> To: "Alon Bar-Lev" > > > >> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" , "Dave > > > >> Neary" > > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:40:17 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> - Original Message - > > > >>> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" > > > >>> To: "Dave Neary" > > > >>> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" , > > > >>> "Simon > > > >>> Grinberg" > > > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:35:56 PM > > > >>> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > >>> > > > >>> Simon? > > > >>> > > > >>> - Original Message - > > > >>>> From: "Dave Neary" > > > >>>> To: "Sahina Bose" > > > >>>> Cc: "Alon Bar-Lev" , users@ovirt.org > > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:34:56 PM > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Hi, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On 03/19/2013 05:24 AM, Sahina Bose wrote: > > > >>>>> You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage > > > >>>>> gluster > > > >>>>> clusters. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Currently the question asked at setup is this : > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three > > > >>>>> different > > > >>>>> application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only], > > > >>>>> gluster > > > >>>>> [Manage > > > >>>>> gluster storage only], > > > >>>>> and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster > > > >>>>> storage]" > > > >>>>> where > > > >>>>> both > > > >>>>> is the default. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> If this is confusing to the user, we can change this > > > >>>>> message. > > > >>>>> Suggestions? > > > >>>> I would either: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> (a) put "Virt" as the default, or > > > >> I would go for this one, this keeps backwards compatibility. > > > >> Is there an easy method to change this configuration later? > > > > Yes, changing the cluster settings. > > > > > > No - you can change the cluster settings (virt service/gluster > > > service) > > > only if the application mode is "both". In virt only mode, the > > > cluster > > > is virt only, and same with gluster-only. So if you want user to > > > be > > > able > > > to change the mode *after* installation, this config > > > (ApplicationMode) > > > must be exposed in the engine-config tool. > > > > So if I'll try to sum up (with reference to other emails on this > > thread). > > 1. Default should be virt only > > 2. Keep the question and better explain what is the Gluster option > > (preferable a
Re: [Users] Package installation error
- Original Message - > From: "Simon Grinberg" > To: "Shireesh Anjal" > Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Alon Bar-Lev" > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:46:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Shireesh Anjal" > > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" > > Cc: "Simon Grinberg" , users@ovirt.org > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 8:34:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > > On 03/22/2013 12:11 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > > > > > > - Original Message - > > >> From: "Simon Grinberg" > > >> To: "Alon Bar-Lev" > > >> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" , "Dave > > >> Neary" > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:40:17 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> - Original Message - > > >>> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" > > >>> To: "Dave Neary" > > >>> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" , "Simon > > >>> Grinberg" > > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:35:56 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > >>> > > >>> Simon? > > >>> > > >>> - Original Message - > > >>>> From: "Dave Neary" > > >>>> To: "Sahina Bose" > > >>>> Cc: "Alon Bar-Lev" , users@ovirt.org > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:34:56 PM > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi, > > >>>> > > >>>> On 03/19/2013 05:24 AM, Sahina Bose wrote: > > >>>>> You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage > > >>>>> gluster > > >>>>> clusters. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Currently the question asked at setup is this : > > >>>>> > > >>>>> "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three > > >>>>> different > > >>>>> application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only], gluster > > >>>>> [Manage > > >>>>> gluster storage only], > > >>>>> and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster storage]" > > >>>>> where > > >>>>> both > > >>>>> is the default. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If this is confusing to the user, we can change this message. > > >>>>> Suggestions? > > >>>> I would either: > > >>>> > > >>>> (a) put "Virt" as the default, or > > >> I would go for this one, this keeps backwards compatibility. > > >> Is there an easy method to change this configuration later? > > > Yes, changing the cluster settings. > > > > No - you can change the cluster settings (virt service/gluster > > service) > > only if the application mode is "both". In virt only mode, the > > cluster > > is virt only, and same with gluster-only. So if you want user to be > > able > > to change the mode *after* installation, this config > > (ApplicationMode) > > must be exposed in the engine-config tool. > > So if I'll try to sum up (with reference to other emails on this > thread). > 1. Default should be virt only > 2. Keep the question and better explain what is the Gluster option > (preferable a link to the relevant page) > 3. Add a config option to easily change the selection later > Need to think about the implication of the third option in case the > change conflicts with hosts/clusters that are already configured > other wise. > Example: Initial selection was Virt and now adding dual mode - always > OK > Example: Initial selection was Virt, no host in the setup, and now > changing to Gluster mode - OK > Example: Initial selection was Virt, Hosts already in the setup > installed in virt mode, and now changing to Gluster mode - What will > we do? > > My take, > Config option can only set to dual mode, never the other way around. > This will save the need to add sophisticated logic > > Sounds right? Yes, but I am unsure that this is a single config option... Maybe I did not understand you p
Re: [Users] Package installation error
- Original Message - > From: "Shireesh Anjal" > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" > Cc: "Simon Grinberg" , users@ovirt.org > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 8:34:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > On 03/22/2013 12:11 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > >> From: "Simon Grinberg" > >> To: "Alon Bar-Lev" > >> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" , "Dave > >> Neary" > >> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:40:17 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" > >>> To: "Dave Neary" > >>> Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" , "Simon > >>> Grinberg" > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:35:56 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > >>> > >>> Simon? > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>>> From: "Dave Neary" > >>>> To: "Sahina Bose" > >>>> Cc: "Alon Bar-Lev" , users@ovirt.org > >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:34:56 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> On 03/19/2013 05:24 AM, Sahina Bose wrote: > >>>>> You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage gluster > >>>>> clusters. > >>>>> > >>>>> Currently the question asked at setup is this : > >>>>> > >>>>> "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three > >>>>> different > >>>>> application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only], gluster > >>>>> [Manage > >>>>> gluster storage only], > >>>>> and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster storage]" > >>>>> where > >>>>> both > >>>>> is the default. > >>>>> > >>>>> If this is confusing to the user, we can change this message. > >>>>> Suggestions? > >>>> I would either: > >>>> > >>>> (a) put "Virt" as the default, or > >> I would go for this one, this keeps backwards compatibility. > >> Is there an easy method to change this configuration later? > > Yes, changing the cluster settings. > > No - you can change the cluster settings (virt service/gluster > service) > only if the application mode is "both". In virt only mode, the > cluster > is virt only, and same with gluster-only. So if you want user to be > able > to change the mode *after* installation, this config > (ApplicationMode) > must be exposed in the engine-config tool. So if I'll try to sum up (with reference to other emails on this thread). 1. Default should be virt only 2. Keep the question and better explain what is the Gluster option (preferable a link to the relevant page) 3. Add a config option to easily change the selection later Need to think about the implication of the third option in case the change conflicts with hosts/clusters that are already configured other wise. Example: Initial selection was Virt and now adding dual mode - always OK Example: Initial selection was Virt, no host in the setup, and now changing to Gluster mode - OK Example: Initial selection was Virt, Hosts already in the setup installed in virt mode, and now changing to Gluster mode - What will we do? My take, Config option can only set to dual mode, never the other way around. This will save the need to add sophisticated logic Sounds right? > > > > >>>> (b) remove this question entirely - if someone is installing > >>>> oVirt, > >>>> assume they want to manage virt. If someone is installing > >>>> Gluster, > >>>> have > >>>> an option during the Gluster install to have the oVirt > >>>> management > >>>> console. > >> We do want people to get exposed to the Gluster option. > >> > >>>> If someone wants to manage both their Gluster bricks and their > >>>> virt > >>>> with > >>>> oVirt, I would make that a post-install option to oVirt - > >>>> perhaps > >>>> with > >>>> an extra package to install (which would depend on the later >
Re: [Users] Package installation error
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Shireesh Anjal wrote: >>> My understanding is that you don't need Gluster 3.4 unless you >>> want to >>> manage a Gluster cluster with oVirt. >>> >>> So my question is: are we sure that we are not leading users >>> wrong, >>> and confusing them during the installation & set-up process? >>> Hello, I think I have not understood yet this matter at all and this double engine thing... Is there a link / doc to read about this addition? And in case could we also refine it and put a link to the web page during install phase? Gianluca ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
On 03/22/2013 12:11 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: - Original Message - From: "Simon Grinberg" To: "Alon Bar-Lev" Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" , "Dave Neary" Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:40:17 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error - Original Message - From: "Alon Bar-Lev" To: "Dave Neary" Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" , "Simon Grinberg" Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:35:56 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error Simon? - Original Message - From: "Dave Neary" To: "Sahina Bose" Cc: "Alon Bar-Lev" , users@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:34:56 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error Hi, On 03/19/2013 05:24 AM, Sahina Bose wrote: You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage gluster clusters. Currently the question asked at setup is this : "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three different application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only], gluster [Manage gluster storage only], and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster storage]" where both is the default. If this is confusing to the user, we can change this message. Suggestions? I would either: (a) put "Virt" as the default, or I would go for this one, this keeps backwards compatibility. Is there an easy method to change this configuration later? Yes, changing the cluster settings. No - you can change the cluster settings (virt service/gluster service) only if the application mode is "both". In virt only mode, the cluster is virt only, and same with gluster-only. So if you want user to be able to change the mode *after* installation, this config (ApplicationMode) must be exposed in the engine-config tool. (b) remove this question entirely - if someone is installing oVirt, assume they want to manage virt. If someone is installing Gluster, have an option during the Gluster install to have the oVirt management console. We do want people to get exposed to the Gluster option. If someone wants to manage both their Gluster bricks and their virt with oVirt, I would make that a post-install option to oVirt - perhaps with an extra package to install (which would depend on the later version of Gluster). Cheers, Dave. On 03/19/2013 01:41 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, On 03/19/2013 08:16 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: Now I am confused Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? Allow me to clarify. There have been several messages from users since the oVirt 3.2 release asking why they need Gluster 3.4 pre-releases to run oVirt. My understanding is that you don't need Gluster 3.4 unless you want to manage a Gluster cluster with oVirt. So my question is: are we sure that we are not leading users wrong, and confusing them during the installation & set-up process? Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
tor 2013-03-21 klockan 12:34 -0400 skrev Dave Neary: Hi, On 03/19/2013 05:24 AM, Sahina Bose wrote: > You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage gluster clusters. > > Currently the question asked at setup is this : > > "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three different > application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only], gluster [Manage > gluster storage only], > and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster storage]" where both > is the default. > > If this is confusing to the user, we can change this message. Suggestions? I would either: (a) put "Virt" as the default, or That would only be logical, since the product´s name is oVirt after all. (b) remove this question entirely - if someone is installing oVirt, assume they want to manage virt. If someone is installing Gluster, have an option during the Gluster install to have the oVirt management console. Actually, we thought it was great to get asked that during the install, since we have two engines here; one for Virt and one just as a Gluster Engine (thinking about naming it Glen...), so we´d really like if you kept that question in. /Karli If someone wants to manage both their Gluster bricks and their virt with oVirt, I would make that a post-install option to oVirt - perhaps with an extra package to install (which would depend on the later version of Gluster). Cheers, Dave. > On 03/19/2013 01:41 PM, Dave Neary wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 03/19/2013 08:16 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >>> Now I am confused >>> Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? >> >> Allow me to clarify. >> >> There have been several messages from users since the oVirt 3.2 >> release asking why they need Gluster 3.4 pre-releases to run oVirt. >> >> My understanding is that you don't need Gluster 3.4 unless you want to >> manage a Gluster cluster with oVirt. >> >> So my question is: are we sure that we are not leading users wrong, >> and confusing them during the installation & set-up process? >> >> Thanks, >> Dave. >> > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
- Original Message - > From: "Simon Grinberg" > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" > Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" , "Dave Neary" > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:40:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" > > To: "Dave Neary" > > Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" , "Simon > > Grinberg" > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:35:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > > Simon? > > > > - Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dave Neary" > > > To: "Sahina Bose" > > > Cc: "Alon Bar-Lev" , users@ovirt.org > > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:34:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On 03/19/2013 05:24 AM, Sahina Bose wrote: > > > > You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage gluster > > > > clusters. > > > > > > > > Currently the question asked at setup is this : > > > > > > > > "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three > > > > different > > > > application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only], gluster > > > > [Manage > > > > gluster storage only], > > > > and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster storage]" > > > > where > > > > both > > > > is the default. > > > > > > > > If this is confusing to the user, we can change this message. > > > > Suggestions? > > > > > > I would either: > > > > > > (a) put "Virt" as the default, or > > I would go for this one, this keeps backwards compatibility. > Is there an easy method to change this configuration later? Yes, changing the cluster settings. > > > > (b) remove this question entirely - if someone is installing > > > oVirt, > > > assume they want to manage virt. If someone is installing > > > Gluster, > > > have > > > an option during the Gluster install to have the oVirt management > > > console. > > We do want people to get exposed to the Gluster option. > > > > > > > If someone wants to manage both their Gluster bricks and their > > > virt > > > with > > > oVirt, I would make that a post-install option to oVirt - perhaps > > > with > > > an extra package to install (which would depend on the later > > > version > > > of > > > Gluster). > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Dave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 03/19/2013 01:41 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> On 03/19/2013 08:16 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > > > >>> Now I am confused > > > >>> Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? > > > >> > > > >> Allow me to clarify. > > > >> > > > >> There have been several messages from users since the oVirt > > > >> 3.2 > > > >> release asking why they need Gluster 3.4 pre-releases to run > > > >> oVirt. > > > >> > > > >> My understanding is that you don't need Gluster 3.4 unless you > > > >> want to > > > >> manage a Gluster cluster with oVirt. > > > >> > > > >> So my question is: are we sure that we are not leading users > > > >> wrong, > > > >> and confusing them during the installation & set-up process? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Dave. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact > > > Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com > > > Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 > > > > > > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
- Original Message - > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" > To: "Dave Neary" > Cc: users@ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" , "Simon Grinberg" > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:35:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > Simon? > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dave Neary" > > To: "Sahina Bose" > > Cc: "Alon Bar-Lev" , users@ovirt.org > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:34:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > > Hi, > > > > On 03/19/2013 05:24 AM, Sahina Bose wrote: > > > You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage gluster > > > clusters. > > > > > > Currently the question asked at setup is this : > > > > > > "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three > > > different > > > application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only], gluster > > > [Manage > > > gluster storage only], > > > and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster storage]" > > > where > > > both > > > is the default. > > > > > > If this is confusing to the user, we can change this message. > > > Suggestions? > > > > I would either: > > > > (a) put "Virt" as the default, or I would go for this one, this keeps backwards compatibility. Is there an easy method to change this configuration later? > > (b) remove this question entirely - if someone is installing oVirt, > > assume they want to manage virt. If someone is installing Gluster, > > have > > an option during the Gluster install to have the oVirt management > > console. We do want people to get exposed to the Gluster option. > > > > If someone wants to manage both their Gluster bricks and their virt > > with > > oVirt, I would make that a post-install option to oVirt - perhaps > > with > > an extra package to install (which would depend on the later > > version > > of > > Gluster). > > > > Cheers, > > Dave. > > > > > > > > > On 03/19/2013 01:41 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> On 03/19/2013 08:16 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > > >>> Now I am confused > > >>> Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? > > >> > > >> Allow me to clarify. > > >> > > >> There have been several messages from users since the oVirt 3.2 > > >> release asking why they need Gluster 3.4 pre-releases to run > > >> oVirt. > > >> > > >> My understanding is that you don't need Gluster 3.4 unless you > > >> want to > > >> manage a Gluster cluster with oVirt. > > >> > > >> So my question is: are we sure that we are not leading users > > >> wrong, > > >> and confusing them during the installation & set-up process? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Dave. > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact > > Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com > > Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 > > > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
Simon? - Original Message - > From: "Dave Neary" > To: "Sahina Bose" > Cc: "Alon Bar-Lev" , users@ovirt.org > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:34:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > Hi, > > On 03/19/2013 05:24 AM, Sahina Bose wrote: > > You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage gluster > > clusters. > > > > Currently the question asked at setup is this : > > > > "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three different > > application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only], gluster > > [Manage > > gluster storage only], > > and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster storage]" where > > both > > is the default. > > > > If this is confusing to the user, we can change this message. > > Suggestions? > > I would either: > > (a) put "Virt" as the default, or > (b) remove this question entirely - if someone is installing oVirt, > assume they want to manage virt. If someone is installing Gluster, > have > an option during the Gluster install to have the oVirt management > console. > > If someone wants to manage both their Gluster bricks and their virt > with > oVirt, I would make that a post-install option to oVirt - perhaps > with > an extra package to install (which would depend on the later version > of > Gluster). > > Cheers, > Dave. > > > > > On 03/19/2013 01:41 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On 03/19/2013 08:16 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > >>> Now I am confused > >>> Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? > >> > >> Allow me to clarify. > >> > >> There have been several messages from users since the oVirt 3.2 > >> release asking why they need Gluster 3.4 pre-releases to run > >> oVirt. > >> > >> My understanding is that you don't need Gluster 3.4 unless you > >> want to > >> manage a Gluster cluster with oVirt. > >> > >> So my question is: are we sure that we are not leading users > >> wrong, > >> and confusing them during the installation & set-up process? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Dave. > >> > > > > -- > Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact > Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com > Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
Hi, On 03/19/2013 05:24 AM, Sahina Bose wrote: You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage gluster clusters. Currently the question asked at setup is this : "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three different application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only], gluster [Manage gluster storage only], and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster storage]" where both is the default. If this is confusing to the user, we can change this message. Suggestions? I would either: (a) put "Virt" as the default, or (b) remove this question entirely - if someone is installing oVirt, assume they want to manage virt. If someone is installing Gluster, have an option during the Gluster install to have the oVirt management console. If someone wants to manage both their Gluster bricks and their virt with oVirt, I would make that a post-install option to oVirt - perhaps with an extra package to install (which would depend on the later version of Gluster). Cheers, Dave. On 03/19/2013 01:41 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, On 03/19/2013 08:16 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: Now I am confused Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? Allow me to clarify. There have been several messages from users since the oVirt 3.2 release asking why they need Gluster 3.4 pre-releases to run oVirt. My understanding is that you don't need Gluster 3.4 unless you want to manage a Gluster cluster with oVirt. So my question is: are we sure that we are not leading users wrong, and confusing them during the installation & set-up process? Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
That is right : "The bigger problem of course is that oVirt-3.2.1 requires gluster-3.4.0 which isn't in the standard repos at the moment. " I want to use gluster, because, in my understanding, glusterfs allow me to share a storage (2 or more) between 2 or more hosts, like a virtual disk, and this is essential for live migration or HA. I get from the gluster site, related to Gluster 3.4 alpha and QEMU 1.4.0 : "... new QEMU/GlusterFS native integration leveraging libgfapi. For those of you wondering what that means, in short, there’s no need for FUSE anymore and QEMU leverages GlusterFS natively on the back end. Awesome." This could be an advantage? It's not only required to manage gluster clusters, but as a better integration. Let me know if I wrote something wrong. Now things seems to be working, what I did was create a file in the host: /etc/yum.repos.d/stage.repo [glusterfs] name=GlusterFS baseurl=http://bits.gluster.org/pub/gluster/glusterfs/stage/ gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-Gluster because of the self signed I get some errors, so I did: yum install --nogpgcheck glusterfs* yum install --nogpgcheck glusterfs-server* yum install --nogpgcheck glusterfs-rdma* And that's it everything works. The installation should be more nicely Thanks Jose - Mensagem original - De: "Sahina Bose" Para: "Dave Neary" Cc: users@ovirt.org Enviadas: Terça-feira, 19 de Março de 2013 9:24:23 Assunto: Re: [Users] Package installation error You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage gluster clusters. Currently the question asked at setup is this : "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three different application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only], gluster [Manage gluster storage only], and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster storage]" where both is the default. If this is confusing to the user, we can change this message. Suggestions? On 03/19/2013 01:41 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > On 03/19/2013 08:16 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >> Now I am confused >> Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? > > Allow me to clarify. > > There have been several messages from users since the oVirt 3.2 > release asking why they need Gluster 3.4 pre-releases to run oVirt. > > My understanding is that you don't need Gluster 3.4 unless you want to > manage a Gluster cluster with oVirt. > > So my question is: are we sure that we are not leading users wrong, > and confusing them during the installation & set-up process? > > Thanks, > Dave. > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage gluster clusters. Currently the question asked at setup is this : "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three different application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only], gluster [Manage gluster storage only], and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster storage]" where both is the default. If this is confusing to the user, we can change this message. Suggestions? On 03/19/2013 01:41 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, On 03/19/2013 08:16 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: Now I am confused Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? Allow me to clarify. There have been several messages from users since the oVirt 3.2 release asking why they need Gluster 3.4 pre-releases to run oVirt. My understanding is that you don't need Gluster 3.4 unless you want to manage a Gluster cluster with oVirt. So my question is: are we sure that we are not leading users wrong, and confusing them during the installation & set-up process? Thanks, Dave. ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
On 03/19/2013 01:31 PM, noc wrote: On 19-3-2013 8:16, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: - Original Message - From: "Dave Neary" To: "Alon Bar-Lev" Cc: users@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:02:13 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error Hi Alon, On 03/19/2013 07:56 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: Obviously something is wrong with the dependency, not sure which version of gluster is required and what is available in fedora. The root cause of this is that setup defaults no to use both gluster and virt for the default domain, while in the past it used to default to virt. So if you do not wish to use gluster, please do not select both at installation, or turn of the gluster from the cluster after installation. I think the wording here is confusing. To an oVirt user, "using Gluster" means having a Gluster storage domain as shared storage. In the context of the Gluster management console, oVirt does not use Gluster, Gluster uses oVirt. Would it be possible to review the set-up process to ensure that we are not inadvertently sending users who just want to use a stable version of Gluster as storage in the wrong direction? This comes up frequently, and seems to be confusing people. Thanks, Dave. Now I am confused Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? If the gluster checkbox is set on the cluster then you'll need the gluster packages. If you don't use gluster but said so (both=virt+gluster) during engine-setup then the checkbox will be checked and you'll need the packages. The bigger problem ofcourse is that oVirt-3.2.1 requires gluster-3.4.0 which isn't in the standard repos at the moment. Regarding glusterfs 3.4.0 packages, gluster 3.4.0alpha2 version is available at http://bits.gluster.org/pub/gluster/glusterfs/3.4.0alpha2/x86_64/ and which is not available in Fedora repository. BTW gluster-3.4.0 is under development and stable version will be available soon. Regards, Bala ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
Hi, On 03/19/2013 08:16 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: Now I am confused Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? Allow me to clarify. There have been several messages from users since the oVirt 3.2 release asking why they need Gluster 3.4 pre-releases to run oVirt. My understanding is that you don't need Gluster 3.4 unless you want to manage a Gluster cluster with oVirt. So my question is: are we sure that we are not leading users wrong, and confusing them during the installation & set-up process? Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
On 19-3-2013 8:16, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: - Original Message - From: "Dave Neary" To: "Alon Bar-Lev" Cc: users@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:02:13 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error Hi Alon, On 03/19/2013 07:56 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: Obviously something is wrong with the dependency, not sure which version of gluster is required and what is available in fedora. The root cause of this is that setup defaults no to use both gluster and virt for the default domain, while in the past it used to default to virt. So if you do not wish to use gluster, please do not select both at installation, or turn of the gluster from the cluster after installation. I think the wording here is confusing. To an oVirt user, "using Gluster" means having a Gluster storage domain as shared storage. In the context of the Gluster management console, oVirt does not use Gluster, Gluster uses oVirt. Would it be possible to review the set-up process to ensure that we are not inadvertently sending users who just want to use a stable version of Gluster as storage in the wrong direction? This comes up frequently, and seems to be confusing people. Thanks, Dave. Now I am confused Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? If the gluster checkbox is set on the cluster then you'll need the gluster packages. If you don't use gluster but said so (both=virt+gluster) during engine-setup then the checkbox will be checked and you'll need the packages. The bigger problem ofcourse is that oVirt-3.2.1 requires gluster-3.4.0 which isn't in the standard repos at the moment. Joop -- irc: jvandewege ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
- Original Message - > From: "Dave Neary" > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" > Cc: users@ovirt.org > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:02:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > Hi Alon, > > On 03/19/2013 07:56 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > > Obviously something is wrong with the dependency, not sure which > > version of gluster is required and what is available in fedora. > > > > The root cause of this is that setup defaults no to use both > > gluster and virt for the default domain, while in the past it used > > to default to virt. So if you do not wish to use gluster, please > > do not select both at installation, or turn of the gluster from > > the cluster after installation. > > I think the wording here is confusing. > > To an oVirt user, "using Gluster" means having a Gluster storage > domain > as shared storage. > > In the context of the Gluster management console, oVirt does not use > Gluster, Gluster uses oVirt. > > Would it be possible to review the set-up process to ensure that we > are > not inadvertently sending users who just want to use a stable version > of > Gluster as storage in the wrong direction? This comes up frequently, > and > seems to be confusing people. > > Thanks, > Dave. Now I am confused Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system? ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
Hi Alon, On 03/19/2013 07:56 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: Obviously something is wrong with the dependency, not sure which version of gluster is required and what is available in fedora. The root cause of this is that setup defaults no to use both gluster and virt for the default domain, while in the past it used to default to virt. So if you do not wish to use gluster, please do not select both at installation, or turn of the gluster from the cluster after installation. I think the wording here is confusing. To an oVirt user, "using Gluster" means having a Gluster storage domain as shared storage. In the context of the Gluster management console, oVirt does not use Gluster, Gluster uses oVirt. Would it be possible to review the set-up process to ensure that we are not inadvertently sending users who just want to use a stable version of Gluster as storage in the wrong direction? This comes up frequently, and seems to be confusing people. Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
- Original Message - > From: "Dave Neary" > To: users@ovirt.org > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:49:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > Hi, > > On 03/18/2013 06:44 PM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > > The error is self explainable... the glusterfs available to yum is > > older than what requires. You probably need some testing > > repository. > > I still don't understand why installing a host tries to install > vdsm-gluster - is there a dependency chain gone wrong? That package > should only be necesary if you're using the oVirt management > interface > for Gluster, not a normal node install. > > Or am I misunderstanding what Jose wants to do? Obviously something is wrong with the dependency, not sure which version of gluster is required and what is available in fedora. The root cause of this is that setup defaults no to use both gluster and virt for the default domain, while in the past it used to default to virt. So if you do not wish to use gluster, please do not select both at installation, or turn of the gluster from the cluster after installation. > > Cheers, > Dave. > > > - Original Message - > >> From: supo...@logicworks.pt > >> To: Users@ovirt.org > >> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:40:56 PM > >> Subject: [Users] Package installation error > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Today I tried to intall another host and get this error during the > >> installation from the engine 3.2.1. The host is a fedora 18 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Failed to execute stage 'Package installation': > >> [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= > >> 3.4.0']. > >> > >> Yum [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= > >> 3.4.0']. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Jose > >> > >> ___ > >> Users mailing list > >> Users@ovirt.org > >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >> > > ___ > > Users mailing list > > Users@ovirt.org > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > -- > Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact > Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com > Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
Hi, On 03/18/2013 06:44 PM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: The error is self explainable... the glusterfs available to yum is older than what requires. You probably need some testing repository. I still don't understand why installing a host tries to install vdsm-gluster - is there a dependency chain gone wrong? That package should only be necesary if you're using the oVirt management interface for Gluster, not a normal node install. Or am I misunderstanding what Jose wants to do? Cheers, Dave. - Original Message - From: supo...@logicworks.pt To: Users@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:40:56 PM Subject: [Users] Package installation error Today I tried to intall another host and get this error during the installation from the engine 3.2.1. The host is a fedora 18 Failed to execute stage 'Package installation': [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= 3.4.0']. Yum [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= 3.4.0']. Regards Jose ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact Open Source and Standards, Red Hat - http://community.redhat.com Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
Another option: if you are not really using gluster, remove the gluster support from the ovirt-engine cluster. - Original Message - > From: "Alon Bar-Lev" > To: supo...@logicworks.pt > Cc: Users@ovirt.org > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:16:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > And the missing repository to the host before you perform the host > deploy. > > - Original Message - > > From: supo...@logicworks.pt > > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" > > Cc: Users@ovirt.org > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:06:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > > > > Yes i got it, but the installation is automatically. What can I do? > > > > thanks > > Jose > > > > - Original Message - > > > > De: "Alon Bar-Lev" > > Para: supo...@logicworks.pt > > Cc: Users@ovirt.org > > Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 18 de Março de 2013 17:44:12 > > Assunto: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > > The error is self explainable... the glusterfs available to yum is > > older than what requires. You probably need some testing > > repository. > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: supo...@logicworks.pt > > > To: Users@ovirt.org > > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:40:56 PM > > > Subject: [Users] Package installation error > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today I tried to intall another host and get this error during > > > the > > > installation from the engine 3.2.1. The host is a fedora 18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Failed to execute stage 'Package installation': > > > [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= > > > 3.4.0']. > > > > > > Yum [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= > > > 3.4.0']. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jose > > > > > > ___ > > > Users mailing list > > > Users@ovirt.org > > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > > > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
And the missing repository to the host before you perform the host deploy. - Original Message - > From: supo...@logicworks.pt > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" > Cc: Users@ovirt.org > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 8:06:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > > Yes i got it, but the installation is automatically. What can I do? > > thanks > Jose > > - Original Message - > > De: "Alon Bar-Lev" > Para: supo...@logicworks.pt > Cc: Users@ovirt.org > Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 18 de Março de 2013 17:44:12 > Assunto: Re: [Users] Package installation error > > The error is self explainable... the glusterfs available to yum is > older than what requires. You probably need some testing repository. > > - Original Message - > > From: supo...@logicworks.pt > > To: Users@ovirt.org > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:40:56 PM > > Subject: [Users] Package installation error > > > > > > > > > > > > Today I tried to intall another host and get this error during the > > installation from the engine 3.2.1. The host is a fedora 18 > > > > > > > > > > > > Failed to execute stage 'Package installation': > > [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= > > 3.4.0']. > > > > Yum [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= > > 3.4.0']. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Jose > > > > ___ > > Users mailing list > > Users@ovirt.org > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
Yes i got it, but the installation is automatically. What can I do? thanks Jose - Mensagem original - De: "Alon Bar-Lev" Para: supo...@logicworks.pt Cc: Users@ovirt.org Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 18 de Março de 2013 17:44:12 Assunto: Re: [Users] Package installation error The error is self explainable... the glusterfs available to yum is older than what requires. You probably need some testing repository. - Original Message - > From: supo...@logicworks.pt > To: Users@ovirt.org > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:40:56 PM > Subject: [Users] Package installation error > > > > > > Today I tried to intall another host and get this error during the > installation from the engine 3.2.1. The host is a fedora 18 > > > > > > Failed to execute stage 'Package installation': > [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= 3.4.0']. > > Yum [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= > 3.4.0']. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Jose > > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] Package installation error
The error is self explainable... the glusterfs available to yum is older than what requires. You probably need some testing repository. - Original Message - > From: supo...@logicworks.pt > To: Users@ovirt.org > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:40:56 PM > Subject: [Users] Package installation error > > > > > > Today I tried to intall another host and get this error during the > installation from the engine 3.2.1. The host is a fedora 18 > > > > > > Failed to execute stage 'Package installation': > [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= 3.4.0']. > > Yum [u'vdsm-gluster-4.10.3-10.fc18.noarch requires glusterfs >= > 3.4.0']. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Jose > > ___ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users > ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
