Re: [SOGo] sogo-tool expire-autoreply script
Hello, just one question to be sure : u%*master:[password] but when running manually via /usr/sbin/sogo-tool expire-autoreply %u*master:[password] I just get errors: Can we use %u in the authname ? (I don't see this in the doc). Or do we need to write a wrapper to call sogo-tool expire-autoreply for each user ? (with dovecot as imap/sieve server) David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] Calendar, invite and TB
Hello, I have some trouble with calendar and invite with TB10ESR+LN When I create event with external attentees (not manage by the SOGo server), these persons don't receive mail with the .ics. Is it normal behaviour ? For users managed by the SOGo server, is there a way to switch back to mail management (with .ics attachment) (I switch users from another mail server and they have trouble to use the invitation method of TB+LN) ? David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Calendar, invite and TB
Hello, Le Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 11:08:22AM +0100, Christian Mack ecrivait : Did you set SOGoAppointmentSendEMailNotifications to YES ? yes, I have this : SOGoAppointmentSendEmailNotifications = YES; David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Calendar, invite and TB
Le Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 04:34:46PM +0100, Christian Mack ecrivait : Did you set SOGoAppointmentSendEMailNotifications to YES ? SOGoAppointmentSendEmailNotifications = YES; Then you should open a bug report at http://www.sogo.nu/bugs no need I mean : I just see that I wrote Email and not EMail in the parameter, I change it and now it seems to work ! thanks, David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] TB17ESR/Lightning 1.9/SOGo 2.0.2a and calendar
Hello, I have a trouble with Thunderbird 17 ESR/Lightning 1.9 and SOGo. When I create an event in an SOGo calendar and invite attentees in TB : it doesn't send email with the .ics event (it works fine if I use local calendar - TB send the invite mail). Does anyone have this issue ? Any workaround ? David. PS: it works fine in TB10ESR/Lightning 1.2 before I upgrade to new ESR ... PS2: I use linux 64bits of TB/Lightning signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] TB17ESR/Lightning 1.9/SOGo 2.0.2a and calendar
To complete : Le Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 02:43:09PM +0100, David Cure ecrivait : When I create an event in an SOGo calendar and invite attentees in TB : it doesn't send email with the .ics event (it works fine if I use local calendar - TB send the invite mail). When I create the event, the invite attentees checkbox is disabled : can't check or uncheck. (with local calendar, the checkbox is enabled and I can check or not). David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Backup Redundant System
Hello, Le Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 07:07:56AM +0200, Davor Vusir ecrivait : DRBD might be an alternative, http://www.drbd.org/, for the SOGo server, database and mail store. And Postfix (check out the the install script from iRedMail, http://www.iredmail.org/) as a backup MTA. I am exploring the possibility to use virtualized SOGo server on KVM. The LV for the virtualized server and the LV for SOGo database and mailstore will replicate to a backup server. And the backup MTA, also virtualized, running on the backup server. We use SOGO/pqsql/openldap/dovecot/sendmail in virtualized environment with KVM hypervisor and LVM replicated by DRBD : it works very well. If we have trouble on the primary server, we can switch to the backup one. David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] ANN: SOGo v2.0.0
Hello, I upgrade from 1.3.18a to 2.0.0 on Debian squeeze. And now Firefox 10.0.7ESR on Linux doesn't display the calendar windows : nothing in event frame and nothing in day view. I need to choose another calendar view kind and after the day view is displayed. Same thing for the event view : select another king for example nex 14 days and the event are displayed. I don't have this error with Chrome or Firefox 15. David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] ANN: SOGo v2.0.0
Hi Francis, Le Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 03:09:44PM -0400, Francis Lachapelle ecrivait : Good catch! The problem is only exposed by FF 10 ESR. Here's the one-liner patch if you don't want to wait until 2.0.1 : https://github.com/inverse-inc/sogo/commit/fe811314f6598a3dc69d442f033c041ad9ae11dd thanks for this queekly patch : it works fine now with FF 10 ESR. David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] ANN: sogosync - Open Source ActiveSync with caldav and cardav backend
Hello, Le Mon, May 07, 2012 at 01:41:37PM +0200, xbgmsharp ecrivait : Please feel free to feedback, contribute to the code, sponsor or donate. I install and made a test with an Android phone : Galaxy S with Android 2.2. The mail sync works fine, but the calendar doesn't seem to work : no events synchronized. David. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] sogsync -- activesync for sogo -- read/write support enabled -- please help by testing
Hello, Le Sat, May 05, 2012 at 01:22:32PM +0200, Rémi Letot ecrivait : Other than that, I use sogosync from an android cm9 device, and the events do not appear in the calendar. They are synchronized, because I can create an event on the android and it will appear in sogo and in lightning, but as soon as I sync it it disappear from the android device. And events created in sogo do not appear on the android. I don't test this new version but I test the first version and have the same behaviour on an Galaxy Nexus with ICS : no events on my phone after synchronization. David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] ANN: sogosync - Open Source ActiveSync with caldav and cardav backend
Le Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 07:19:44AM -0300, Marcio Merlone ecrivait : I don't know about iOS, but my Android just talks to SOGo with active-sync. Sogosync seems to be working nice. I try it with an Android ICS 4.0.2 and calendar doesn't sync. Anyone have success with ICS ? David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] mtn access
hello, I want to pull from the mtn but I get this error : mtn --db=~/db.mtn pull inverse.ca ca.inverse.sogo mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication mtn: connecting to inverse.ca mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Android, Funambol and SOGo
Hello, Le Wed, May 18, 2011 at 02:05:09PM +0200, Martin (Lists) ecrivait : I tried CalDAV and CardDAV for Android last weekend and it works so far. CardDAV is available for free (and as a paid version), CalDAV costs 2,55€ (for development support according to the developer). CardDAV can do a two-way-sync, CalDAV can sync from server to client only (currently). Both apps are in pre beta or beta state. As I mostly need them to sync my sogo changes to my android the one-way-sync is not a problem to me. May be it is worth a try? I have no problem with Sogo to sync in only sogo-funambol-android way, it's when I sync event created on Android I have trouble. And strange, because some version before I sync event created on my Android ... but I don't remember when and which version (because I don't use very often the webUI) ;( For example, I have a very old SOGo version 0.9 (and according funambol connector release with this version) and it works ! The developer is located in Dresden btw. and very responsive. He planned to release the apps as open source once they are finished. Yes I see it, and it's a good way. David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Follow me @tdjfr on Identi.ca / Twitter Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps est sans importance, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] Android, Funambol and SOGo
Hello, Le Wed, May 18, 2011 at 02:14:24PM +0200, André Schild ecrivait : Currently he is working hard on the two-way sync. great news. It works quite good and also supports multiple calendars and address books (Something syncml like funambol are not doing) Do you test the two-way sync ? David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Follow me @tdjfr on Identi.ca / Twitter Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps est sans importance, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] Android, Funambol and SOGo
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[SOGo] Android, Funambol and SOGo
Hello, Here are the software version I use : Android funambol client : 10.0.0 Funambol : 8.5.2 + funambol-sogo v1.0.9 SOGO : 1.3.7a When I create event on my Android device and sync with funambol to add it to SOGo, the webUI stop to display the calandar. If I export it, truncate table and import it, the webUI display the calendar with the event - so SOGo can read the camendar as it can export it, but the webUI can't display... Here is the log of the event is ds-server : BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:1.0 TZ:+0100 DAYLIGHT:TRUE;+0200;20100328T02;20101031T03;Europe/Paris;Europe/Paris DAYLIGHT:TRUE;+0200;20110327T02;20111030T03;Europe/Paris;Europe/Paris DAYLIGHT:TRUE;+0200;20120325T02;20121028T03;Europe/Paris;Europe/Paris DAYLIGHT:TRUE;+0200;20130331T02;20131027T03;Europe/Paris;Europe/Paris BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY:Test DESCRIPTION: LOCATION: CLASS:PUBLIC DTSTART:20110514T12Z DTEND:20110514T13Z X-FUNAMBOL-ALLDAY:0 END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR And if I delete the event on the device, restart the funambol sync : the webUI can display the calandar. I appears there is something wrong for the webUI in the event add by funambol... Any idea ? David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Follow me @tdjfr on Identi.ca / Twitter Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps est sans importance, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] Android, Funambol and SOGo
To complete here are the dump of the pgsql database of the event that cause problem : o normal table : 220 BEGIN:VCALENDAR\r\nVERSION:2.0\r\nBEGIN:VTIMEZONE\r\nTZID:Europe/Paris\r\nBEGIN:DAYLIGHT\r\nDTSTART:20100328T02\r\nRRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=3\r\nTZOFFSETFROM:+0100\r\nTZOFFSETTO:+0200\r\nTZNAME:Europe/Paris\r\nEND:DAYLIGHT\r\nBEGIN:STANDARD\r\nDTSTART:20101031T03\r\nRRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1;BYDAY=-1SU;BYMONTH=10\r\nTZOFFSETFROM:+0200\r\nTZOFFSETTO:+0100\r\nTZNAME:Europe/Paris\r\nEND:STANDARD\r\nEND:VTIMEZONE\r\nBEGIN:VEVENT\r\nUID:220\r\nSUMMARY:Test\r\nDESCRIPTION:\r\nLOCATION:\r\nCLASS:PUBLIC\r\nDTSTART;TZID=Europe/Paris:20110514T14\r\nDTEND;TZID=Europe/Paris:20110514T15\r\nX-FUNAMBOL-ALLDAY:0\r\nEND:VEVENT\r\nEND:VCALENDAR\r\n 1305369800 1305369800 0 \N o _quick table : 220 220 1305374400 1305378000 \N Test\N 0 0\N 0 1 0 0 \N \N vevent \N \N David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Follow me @tdjfr on Identi.ca / Twitter Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps est sans importance, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] Android, Funambol and SOGo
Another think I forgot, the sogod crash but doesn't show any
real error in the log :
May 14 13:03:48 sogod [21388]: 0x0x82f5c10[WOWatchDog] child spawned
with pid 28974
2011-05-14 13:03:48.096 sogod[28974] Note: Using UTF-8 as URL encoding
in NGExtensions.
May 14 13:03:48 sogod [28974]: 0x0x8138030[SOGoCache] Cache cleanup
interval set every 300.00 seconds
May 14 13:03:48 sogod [28974]: 0x0x8138030[SOGoCache] Using host(s)
'localhost' as server(s)
2011-05-14 13:03:48.108 sogod[28974] Note(SoObject): SoDebugKeyLookup is
enabled!
2011-05-14 13:03:48.108 sogod[28974] Note(SoObject): SoDebugBaseURL is
enabled!
2011-05-14 13:03:48.108 sogod[28974] Note(SoObject): relative base URLs
are enabled.
May 14 13:03:48 sogod [28974]: [WARN]
0x0x8484008[SOGoWebDAVAclManager] entry '{DAV:}write' already exists
in DAV permissions table
May 14 13:03:48 sogod [28974]: [WARN]
0x0x8484008[SOGoWebDAVAclManager] entry '{DAV:}write-properties'
already exists in DAV permissions table
May 14 13:03:48 sogod [28974]: [WARN]
0x0x8484008[SOGoWebDAVAclManager] entry '{DAV:}write-content' already
exists in DAV permissions table
2011-05-14 13:03:48.146 sogod[28974] WARNING(-[SaxXMLReaderFactory
_loadBundlePath:infoDictionary:nameMap:typeMap:]): multiple parsers
available for MIME type 'text/calendar', using 'VSCardSaxDriver' as
default for type text/calendar.
2011-05-14 13:03:48.146 sogod[28974] WARNING(-[SaxXMLReaderFactory
_loadBundlePath:infoDictionary:nameMap:typeMap:]): multiple parsers
available for MIME type 'text/x-vcard', using 'VSCardSaxDriver' as
default for type text/x-vcard.
May 14 13:03:48 sogod [21388]: 0x0x8121e28[WOWatchDogChild] child
28974 exited
May 14 13:03:48 sogod [21388]: 0x0x8121e28[WOWatchDogChild]
(terminated due to signal 11)
David.
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Re: [SOGo] ANN: SOGo v1.3.7
Le Wed, May 04, 2011 at 11:43:10AM +0300, Fasil ecrivait : David, try restarting your database. it doesn't work, I restart also memcached and always the same problem. David. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] ANN: SOGo v1.3.7
Hello, Le Tue, May 03, 2011 at 04:30:32PM -0400, Ludovic Marcotte ecrivait : Bug Fixes * selection problems with Chrome under OS X in the webmail interface * crash when some events had no end date I upgrade to 1.3.7 with normaly the bugfix of multiple timezone included but it seems not working : the webUI doesn't show the calendar and I have always the message in the log... Anye idea ? David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] ANN: SOGo v1.3.6
Hello Francis, Le Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 08:08:21AM -0400, Francis Lachapelle ecrivait : When I export my calendar, I have 2 timezone defined at the beginning of the file : /inverse.ca/20101018_1/Europe/Paris and Europe/Paris. If I look in the database, I see I have some events with /inverse.ca/20101018_1/Europe/Paris and some with Europe/Paris. Can you post the complete vCalendar of this event? here is a vevent with Europe/Paris, it comes from Android with Funambol sync : BEGIN:VEVENT UID:141 SUMMARY:Test CLASS:PUBLIC DTSTART;TZID=Europe/Paris:20110712T14 DTEND;TZID=Europe/Paris:20110712T15 X-FUNAMBOL-ALLDAY:0 END:VEVENT here is a vevent with /inverse.ca/20101018_1/Europe/Paris, created in the SOGo WebUI : BEGIN:VEVENT UID:C36-4D891780-81-599B2880 SUMMARY:Test2 CREATED:20110322T214200Z DTSTAMP:20110322T214200Z LAST-MODIFIED:20110322T214200Z DTSTART;TZID=/inverse.ca/20101018_1/Europe/Paris:20110716T19 DTEND;TZID=/inverse.ca/20101018_1/Europe/Paris:20110717T12 TRANSP:OPAQUE END:VEVENT David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Follow me @tdjfr on Identi.ca / Twitter Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps est sans importance, seule la vie est importante L5E -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Sync Sogo Funambol
Hello, Le Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:38:18PM +0200, Dominique ecrivait : No such options of the nokia I already have a question open on the funambol forum. Anyone else with a sogo+funambol+nokia setup ? I synchronyse my E65 with funambol/SOGo but with the standard tools in symbian, and you can name the remote database. David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps est sans importance, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] Sync Sogo Funambol
Le Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 03:54:22PM +0200, Dominique ecrivait : What version of the funambol client are you using ? In my case it's for I don't use the funambol client, but the standard tools of symbian to synchronize in syncml. And in this tools, you can change the remote name of database to sync. David. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] some events cause SOGo restart
Hello, Le Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 03:22:29PM -0500, Allen Chen ecrivait : I don't know if SOGo team wanna fix this problem or not. This is not good. Data are entered from SOGo, and it causes itself to crash. I have the same problem with one event created on Android and sync with funambol, the event was a full day event. BTW, how do you use wget to pull the data off the database? how do you specify the URL? See my mail sogod crash on specific event sent 22 Feb I explain how I repair my calendar. David. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[SOGo] sogod crash on specific event
Hello, I create an event on my Android device, and sync to SOGo with funambol. After the sync, the calendar web UI display nomore event and see in the log that sogod exits and restart. I export the calendar from webui (it works for export, but not for display), I truncate table, suppress the event (created on Android) in the ics exported file and reimport it and after web ui display again my events. Here is the ics exported by SOGo of the event : BEGIN:VEVENT UID:135 SUMMARY:Test LOCATION:Test CLASS:PUBLIC DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20110226 DTEND;VALUE=DATE:20110307 X-FUNAMBOL-ALLDAY:1 END:VEVENT David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps est sans importance, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] Funambol : Calendar synchro on Android 2.2
Hi, Le Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 03:33:57PM +0100, Stéphane PERON ecrivait : I have just installed funambol v9 and created sogo-card and card in server or client ? So my question : Does anyone has succeeded in using calendar synchronisation with SOGO on android ?? yes but you need to install the snapshot version of the v9.0.1 client for Android. David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps est sans importance, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] ActiveSync for SOGo
Hello, some another tests : Le Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 09:47:25PM +0100, Fabrice Durand ecrivait : So after that i was trying to sync contact, and enjoy it work in the 2 ways I install your z-push version, create account on my n1 (Android 2.2.1) : I configure to not synchronise mail, just Contacts. I clic on Contacts to start the sync and nothing appears. Do you made something on the phone to sync contacts ? Android to SOGo : OK I create one account on the phone, and can sync to SOGo. How can I help to debug ? David. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Android + SOGo
Le Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:02:55AM +0200, Paolo Ghidini ecrivait : thunerdbird with the SOGO extensions. But if i try to sync the phone with SOGo using funambol, i only send the phone's contact to funambol ds web interface but i don't get/send SOGo contacts. Someone can help me or explain better the process? We talk about that just yesterday : android funambol client use standard name (card) not sogo one. David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps est sans importance, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] no possibily to specify remote name in funambol android client ...
hello, Le Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 09:33:46AM +0200, Stéphane PERON ecrivait : I can't find how to specify the remote name (sogo-card, sogo-cal, ) as it is written in the documentation, in my funambol client for android ( https://www.forge.funambol.org/servlets/OCNDirector?id=FUNANDROIDAPK ) ... Has anyone succeeded in synchronising an android client with sogo ?? delete the standard name in funambol (card) and create the sogo one with standard name used by the android funambol client. David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps est sans importance, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [SOGo] Update Sogo 1.0.1 to 1.3
Hello, Le Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 02:11:31PM +0200, support ecrivait : First script is : sql-update-101_to_102.sh, and second is : sql-update-1.2.2_to_1.3.0.sh. But there is no script to update sogo 1.0.2 to 1.2.2 ... How can i do this update. run sql-update-101_to_102.sh first and after sql-update-1.2.2_to_1.3.0.sh (no script between 1.0.2 to 1.2.2 because no change on the database schema). Second question : What's the difference between sql-update-1.2.2_to_1.3.0.sh and sql-update-1.2.2_to_1.3.0-mysql.sh first it's designed for pgsql, and second for mysql. Third question : Which directory use to launch all scripts ?? As you want, all the code is include in the script. David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps n'est pas important, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird 3.1 support!
Hello, Le Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 09:10:36AM -0400, Ludovic Marcotte ecrivait : You can get updated extensions from: http://inverse.ca/downloads/extensions/nightly/ I don't see the connector add-ons in this folder (only lightning and integrator). Is there another url to download ? David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps n'est pas important, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] quit with sogo 1.3.1
Hello, I upgrade from sogo 1.1.0 to 1.3.1 (+ run sql upgrade). All works fine except the quit button : when I click on it, it reload the page (I'm using firefox 3.06). Any idea ? David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps n'est pas important, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Thunderbird 3.1 support!
hello Ludovic, Le Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 09:07:39AM -0400, Ludovic Marcotte ecrivait : Fixed. thanks a lot for your quick reply. David. -- Chronique, Articles, Projets libre - http://www.cure.nom.fr/ Association FINIX : Finistere *nix- http://www.Finix.EU.Org/ Le temps n'est pas important, seule la vie est importante L5E signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
