[SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
Hello, I have many customers with Debian Lenny. When I migrate them to the new Debian version (Squeeze) I have Icedove 3.0.11 (Thunderbird is called "Icedove" in Debian). This refuses the Sogo plugins, because it's not version 3.1.x. Any idea what's the best to do now? In Debian there is no history in backporting Icedove. I expect it's possible to change the Sogo plugins to accept version 3.0.11. But what is the reason to depend on Thunderbird version 3.1? Maybe these bugs are fixed in Debian. With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Any idea what's the best to do now? > I was thinking of opening a feature request, but don't know if there are many users ofIcedove. Would be nice to have though. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Paul van der Vlis wrote: I expect it's possible to change the Sogo plugins to accept version 3.0.11. But what is the reason to depend on Thunderbird version 3.1? Maybe these bugs are fixed in Debian. My experience is with openSUSE so I can't help with Debian-specific issues, but the Lightning plugin will only install in Thunderbird 3.1.x, not 3.0.x. I imagine that the SOGo plugins are based on or closely related to Lightning and rely on infrastructure added in the newer version. On my net I obtained Thunderbird 3.1.6 from the SuSE Build Service so we could use Lightning (with a CalDAV server which we hope to replace with SOGo). Likely a recent version of Icedove can be found in Debian's "unstable" collection. James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 520 Portola Plaza; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Email: j...@math.ucla.eduhttp://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc (q.v. for PGP key) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
Op 23-02-11 19:47, Mohit Chawla schreef: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > >> Any idea what's the best to do now? >> > > I was thinking of opening a feature request, but don't know if there are > many users ofIcedove. Would be nice to have though. I would like such a feature request. I know many users ;-) Where can you do feature requests? With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
Op 23-02-11 19:54, Jim Carter schreef: > On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > >> I expect it's possible to change the Sogo plugins to accept version >> 3.0.11. But what is the reason to depend on Thunderbird version 3.1? >> Maybe these bugs are fixed in Debian. > > My experience is with openSUSE so I can't help with Debian-specific > issues, but the Lightning plugin will only install in Thunderbird 3.1.x, > not 3.0.x. Hmm, you are right, the sogo-integrator-extention does install without any problem, so it's only a problem with Lightning, and I can use Lightning 1.0-b1 from Debian (called "iceowl-extention"), or the 1.0-b2 xpi from Mozilla. > I imagine that the SOGo plugins are based on or closely related to > Lightning and rely on infrastructure added in the newer version. > > On my net I obtained Thunderbird 3.1.6 from the SuSE Build Service so we > could use Lightning (with a CalDAV server which we hope to replace with > SOGo). Does this build service also create Debian packages? > Likely a recent version of Icedove can be found in Debian's > "unstable" collection. There is only a 3.1.7 in "experimental". When an package is in experimental this means there is something wrong. But when it would be in unstable or testing it would not help really, because I cannot ask from my users to run unstable. I could make a backport, but then I had to backport it on every update for security. With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
Am 23.02.2011 20:12, schrieb Paul van der Vlis: > Op 23-02-11 19:54, Jim Carter schreef: >> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Hmm, you are right, the sogo-integrator-extention does install without > any problem, so it's only a problem with Lightning, and I can use > Lightning 1.0-b1 from Debian (called "iceowl-extention"), or the 1.0-b2 > xpi from Mozilla. > afaik, sogo lightning has some modifications from the sogo devs. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
On 23 Feb 2011, at 19:12, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Op 23-02-11 19:54, Jim Carter schreef: >> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Paul van der Vlis wrote: >> >>> I expect it's possible to change the Sogo plugins to accept version >>> 3.0.11. But what is the reason to depend on Thunderbird version 3.1? >>> Maybe these bugs are fixed in Debian. >> >> My experience is with openSUSE so I can't help with Debian-specific >> issues, but the Lightning plugin will only install in Thunderbird 3.1.x, >> not 3.0.x. > > Hmm, you are right, the sogo-integrator-extention does install without > any problem, so it's only a problem with Lightning, and I can use > Lightning 1.0-b1 from Debian (called "iceowl-extention"), or the 1.0-b2 > xpi from Mozilla. > >> I imagine that the SOGo plugins are based on or closely related to >> Lightning and rely on infrastructure added in the newer version. >> >> On my net I obtained Thunderbird 3.1.6 from the SuSE Build Service so we >> could use Lightning (with a CalDAV server which we hope to replace with >> SOGo). > > Does this build service also create Debian packages? > >> Likely a recent version of Icedove can be found in Debian's >> "unstable" collection. > > There is only a 3.1.7 in "experimental". When an package is in > experimental this means there is something wrong. This isn't necessarily true, it just means it hasn't been tested thoroughly by the debian team I believe. If you want recent Mozilla software it has to come from Experimental. I run icedove and iceweasel with sogo plugins. Easy enough to install also, just put the experimental apt sources in then install with apt-get -t experimental... That package will stay at that level and all others should stay squeeze. > > But when it would be in unstable or testing it would not help really, > because I cannot ask from my users to run unstable. I could make a > backport, but then I had to backport it on every update for security. > > With regards, > Paul van der Vlis. > > -- > users@sogo.nu > https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
Op 23-02-11 20:20, J. Echter schreef: > Am 23.02.2011 20:12, schrieb Paul van der Vlis: >> Op 23-02-11 19:54, Jim Carter schreef: >>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Paul van der Vlis wrote: >> Hmm, you are right, the sogo-integrator-extention does install without >> any problem, so it's only a problem with Lightning, and I can use >> Lightning 1.0-b1 from Debian (called "iceowl-extention"), or the 1.0-b2 >> xpi from Mozilla. >> > afaik, sogo lightning has some modifications from the sogo devs. I know, but I expect it will work without them too (not tested). It would be nice if somebody could tell me what's better on the Lightning from Sogo. With regards, Paul van der Vlis -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Paul van der Vlis wrote: On my net I obtained Thunderbird 3.1.6 from the SuSE Build Service so we could use Lightning (with a CalDAV server which we hope to replace with SOGo). Does this build service also create Debian packages? Sorry, they make only RPMs in the context of the currently supported SuSE releases, i.e. requiring library versions that are actually present in that release. James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 520 Portola Plaza; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Email: j...@math.ucla.eduhttp://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc (q.v. for PGP key) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
Op 23-02-11 20:23, Mark Adams schreef: > > On 23 Feb 2011, at 19:12, Paul van der Vlis > wrote: > >> Op 23-02-11 19:54, Jim Carter schreef: >>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Paul van der Vlis wrote: >>> I expect it's possible to change the Sogo plugins to accept version 3.0.11. But what is the reason to depend on Thunderbird version 3.1? Maybe these bugs are fixed in Debian. >>> >>> My experience is with openSUSE so I can't help with >>> Debian-specific issues, but the Lightning plugin will only >>> install in Thunderbird 3.1.x, not 3.0.x. >> >> Hmm, you are right, the sogo-integrator-extention does install >> without any problem, so it's only a problem with Lightning, and I >> can use Lightning 1.0-b1 from Debian (called "iceowl-extention"), >> or the 1.0-b2 xpi from Mozilla. >> >>> I imagine that the SOGo plugins are based on or closely related >>> to Lightning and rely on infrastructure added in the newer >>> version. >>> >>> On my net I obtained Thunderbird 3.1.6 from the SuSE Build >>> Service so we could use Lightning (with a CalDAV server which we >>> hope to replace with SOGo). >> >> Does this build service also create Debian packages? >> >>> Likely a recent version of Icedove can be found in Debian's >>> "unstable" collection. >> >> There is only a 3.1.7 in "experimental". When an package is in >> experimental this means there is something wrong. > > This isn't necessarily true, it just means it hasn't been tested > thoroughly by the debian team I believe. from: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.en.html - Experimental is used for packages which are still being developed, and with a high risk of breaking your system. It's used by developers who'd like to study and test bleeding edge software. Users shouldn't be using packages from here, because they can be dangerous and harmful even for the most experienced people. - > If you want recent Mozilla > software it has to come from Experimental. I run icedove and > iceweasel with sogo plugins. Icedove from experimental? Do you see problems? > Easy enough to install also, just put the experimental apt sources > in then install with apt-get -t experimental... That package will > stay at that level and all others should stay squeeze. I know how to install from experimental, but it can break your system. It would be nice to know why it is in experimental. But as I said, it's not a good idea for normal users, because they need security support. With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
On 23 Feb 2011, at 19:45, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Op 23-02-11 20:23, Mark Adams schreef: >> >> On 23 Feb 2011, at 19:12, Paul van der Vlis >> wrote: >> >>> Op 23-02-11 19:54, Jim Carter schreef: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > I expect it's possible to change the Sogo plugins to accept > version 3.0.11. But what is the reason to depend on Thunderbird > version 3.1? Maybe these bugs are fixed in Debian. My experience is with openSUSE so I can't help with Debian-specific issues, but the Lightning plugin will only install in Thunderbird 3.1.x, not 3.0.x. >>> >>> Hmm, you are right, the sogo-integrator-extention does install >>> without any problem, so it's only a problem with Lightning, and I >>> can use Lightning 1.0-b1 from Debian (called "iceowl-extention"), >>> or the 1.0-b2 xpi from Mozilla. >>> I imagine that the SOGo plugins are based on or closely related to Lightning and rely on infrastructure added in the newer version. On my net I obtained Thunderbird 3.1.6 from the SuSE Build Service so we could use Lightning (with a CalDAV server which we hope to replace with SOGo). >>> >>> Does this build service also create Debian packages? >>> Likely a recent version of Icedove can be found in Debian's "unstable" collection. >>> >>> There is only a 3.1.7 in "experimental". When an package is in >>> experimental this means there is something wrong. >> >> This isn't necessarily true, it just means it hasn't been tested >> thoroughly by the debian team I believe. > > from: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.en.html > - > Experimental is used for packages which are still being developed, and > with a high risk of breaking your system. It's used by developers who'd > like to study and test bleeding edge software. Users shouldn't be using > packages from here, because they can be dangerous and harmful even for > the most experienced people. > - > >> If you want recent Mozilla >> software it has to come from Experimental. I run icedove and >> iceweasel with sogo plugins. > > Icedove from experimental? > Do you see problems? Yes and it works well, remember this is the current STABLE release from Mozilla. > >> Easy enough to install also, just put the experimental apt sources >> in then install with apt-get -t experimental... That package will >> stay at that level and all others should stay squeeze. > > I know how to install from experimental, but it can break your system. > It would be nice to know why it is in experimental. > > But as I said, it's not a good idea for normal users, because they need > security support. > If I remember correctly, icedove doesn't have any other dependancies. It's a single package that, for me atleast, works fine in squeeze. I've been using icedove and iceweasel packages dim experimental for over a year.. The only bugs have been the ones noted by Mozilla... I take your point about end users though... I'm not sure why they take so long to become stable in debian. > With regards, > Paul van der Vlis. > > > > -- > users@sogo.nu > https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
Op 23-02-11 21:12, Mark Adams schreef: > Yes and it works well, remember this is the current STABLE release > from Mozilla. When the package was OK, it would be uploaded into unstable. Experimental is only used when there are problems. > I take your point about end users though... I'm not sure why they > take so long to become stable in debian. Debian releases every two year. There was a release this month. I expect a new version will become stable in 2013... With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
Regards, Mark On 23 Feb 2011, at 20:12, Mark Adams wrote: > > On 23 Feb 2011, at 19:45, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > >> Op 23-02-11 20:23, Mark Adams schreef: >>> >>> On 23 Feb 2011, at 19:12, Paul van der Vlis >>> wrote: >>> Op 23-02-11 19:54, Jim Carter schreef: > On Wed, 23 Feb 2011, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > >> I expect it's possible to change the Sogo plugins to accept >> version 3.0.11. But what is the reason to depend on Thunderbird >> version 3.1? Maybe these bugs are fixed in Debian. > > My experience is with openSUSE so I can't help with > Debian-specific issues, but the Lightning plugin will only > install in Thunderbird 3.1.x, not 3.0.x. Hmm, you are right, the sogo-integrator-extention does install without any problem, so it's only a problem with Lightning, and I can use Lightning 1.0-b1 from Debian (called "iceowl-extention"), or the 1.0-b2 xpi from Mozilla. > I imagine that the SOGo plugins are based on or closely related > to Lightning and rely on infrastructure added in the newer > version. > > On my net I obtained Thunderbird 3.1.6 from the SuSE Build > Service so we could use Lightning (with a CalDAV server which we > hope to replace with SOGo). Does this build service also create Debian packages? > Likely a recent version of Icedove can be found in Debian's > "unstable" collection. There is only a 3.1.7 in "experimental". When an package is in experimental this means there is something wrong. >>> >>> This isn't necessarily true, it just means it hasn't been tested >>> thoroughly by the debian team I believe. >> >> from: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.en.html >> - >> Experimental is used for packages which are still being developed, and >> with a high risk of breaking your system. It's used by developers who'd >> like to study and test bleeding edge software. Users shouldn't be using >> packages from here, because they can be dangerous and harmful even for >> the most experienced people. >> - >> >>> If you want recent Mozilla >>> software it has to come from Experimental. I run icedove and >>> iceweasel with sogo plugins. >> >> Icedove from experimental? >> Do you see problems? > > Yes and it works well, remember this is the current STABLE release from > Mozilla. > >> >>> Easy enough to install also, just put the experimental apt sources >>> in then install with apt-get -t experimental... That package will >>> stay at that level and all others should stay squeeze. >> >> I know how to install from experimental, but it can break your system. >> It would be nice to know why it is in experimental. >> >> But as I said, it's not a good idea for normal users, because they need >> security support. >> > > If I remember correctly, icedove doesn't have any other dependancies. It's a > single package that, for me atleast, works fine in squeeze. I've been using > icedove and iceweasel packages dim experimental for over a year.. The only > bugs have been the ones noted by Mozilla... To clarify my note above, By no dependancies I mean the deps are all in squeeze.. > > I take your point about end users though... I'm not sure why they take so > long to become stable in debian. > >> With regards, >> Paul van der Vlis. >> >> >> >> -- >> users@sogo.nu >> https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists > -- > users@sogo.nu > https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
On 23 Feb 2011, at 20:22, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Op 23-02-11 21:12, Mark Adams schreef: > >> Yes and it works well, remember this is the current STABLE release >> from Mozilla. > > When the package was OK, it would be uploaded into unstable. > Experimental is only used when there are problems. > >> I take your point about end users though... I'm not sure why they >> take so long to become stable in debian. > > Debian releases every two year. There was a release this month. > I expect a new version will become stable in 2013... > > With regards, > Paul van der Vlis. > I still recommend you try it. It will be the most stable option. > > > > -- > users@sogo.nu > https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
Op 23-02-11 21:30, Mark Adams schreef: > I still recommend you try it. It will be the most stable option. I've contacted Christoph Goehre (packager of Icedove) about this, when I understand him well, there are no problems with Icodove 3.1.7 from experimental. He says Icedove 3.1.8 (what was planned for 8th February, but not released yet) will be uploaded into unstable. With regards, Paul van der Vlis. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Debian Squeeze as client
On 24/02/11 04:22, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Op 23-02-11 21:12, Mark Adams schreef: > >> Yes and it works well, remember this is the current STABLE release >> from Mozilla. > > When the package was OK, it would be uploaded into unstable. > Experimental is only used when there are problems. Experiemental is also for major new versions of packages close to release, so that minor bugfixes for the version to be released in stable can be uploaded via unstable. I generally run stable, but in this case I would have no qualms running icedove and iceowl from experimental. James Andrewartha -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
