Re: [OT] Re: Any one interested in using a proper forum?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, I am unable to read in forums 90% of my time and not motivated for the rest as I am traveling a lot reading mail on my mobile devices mostly. Watching non-email discussions is nothing I could afford so I would be pleased if you could stick to the given media. Thanks CIAOii Thomas Mike Cardwell wrote: > mouss wrote: > Good for you. I've signed up for many mailing lists AND forums. There is nothing inherently better or worse in either of them, >>> No that's wrong, they're quite different and both have advantages and >>> disadvantages. >> so, it's YES, not NO. Henrik said "nothing [snip] better or worse", >> which is what you said. > > Why did you snip the single word "inherently" ? There seems to be a > basic logic flaw in what you're saying. He said, "Nothing inherently > better or worse" and I said, yes there is. That doesn't mean I agree > with him. For an example of something that is inherently better in > mailing lists: The message delivery mechanism. > > English is my first language, I know what I'm saying when I write it. > [snip] If someone set up a proper SA forum, I'd be happy to stop by. But it might be hard to get all the developers and other active participants join there, which is what makes all the difference. >>> Set up the forum. It might work. I'm not anti-forum, I just think >>> mailing lists are generally better. >> >> I too prefer mailing lists. but I think it's because I am used to. and >> firefox eats too much memory... (don't tell me about flash). > > Use a different web browser? > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: ** signed with GnuPG from EnigMAIL/Mozilla Thunderbird ** Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBSnAJ5BogRQP0UDktAQIzugf/ViLT/W62Q6hXUkj1k4mBuXNz1MXP7ISN YGirtlX08ar7S9K3wXx4LesCk9l08S4R3Ey1iGhoXpee9qoZsDQdmX/6lPyHIOYi pGdBYbD7WYVNW4GpmaOY1ZGnE/e4uaxuyUtfBVkW/GQirdIOfAodY1W5vS+d+DJI sDr7773Tsu+N3gQzpe+GyzD8zbYpMe1rvUf3NG+AbH0P7rxVUc/UdVqTPM9taOji S993BROLuJbshGIEAR9T94I/+7l5stC2a2eFZw110AhU5/tM5t2jjaWTAJh/2qsZ O5/NI1G0FobDNIyugnPpeCM1AqynUkIHw+bSDI5iM0GcSCbVvfqbRA== =Pi91 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [OT] Re: Any one interested in using a proper forum?
mouss wrote: Good for you. I've signed up for many mailing lists AND forums. There is nothing inherently better or worse in either of them, No that's wrong, they're quite different and both have advantages and disadvantages. so, it's YES, not NO. Henrik said "nothing [snip] better or worse", which is what you said. Why did you snip the single word "inherently" ? There seems to be a basic logic flaw in what you're saying. He said, "Nothing inherently better or worse" and I said, yes there is. That doesn't mean I agree with him. For an example of something that is inherently better in mailing lists: The message delivery mechanism. English is my first language, I know what I'm saying when I write it. [snip] If someone set up a proper SA forum, I'd be happy to stop by. But it might be hard to get all the developers and other active participants join there, which is what makes all the difference. Set up the forum. It might work. I'm not anti-forum, I just think mailing lists are generally better. I too prefer mailing lists. but I think it's because I am used to. and firefox eats too much memory... (don't tell me about flash). Use a different web browser? -- Mike Cardwell - IT Consultant and LAMP developer Cardwell IT Ltd. (UK Reg'd Company #06920226) http://cardwellit.com/
Re: [OT] Re: Any one interested in using a proper forum?
Mike Cardwell a écrit : > Henrik K wrote: > >> >> Good for you. I've signed up for many mailing lists AND forums. There is >> nothing inherently better or worse in either of them, > > No that's wrong, they're quite different and both have advantages and > disadvantages. > so, it's YES, not NO. Henrik said "nothing [snip] better or worse", which is what you said. >> [snip] > >> If someone set up a proper SA forum, I'd be happy to stop by. But it >> might >> be hard to get all the developers and other active participants join >> there, >> which is what makes all the difference. > > Set up the forum. It might work. I'm not anti-forum, I just think > mailing lists are generally better. > I too prefer mailing lists. but I think it's because I am used to. and firefox eats too much memory... (don't tell me about flash).
Re: [OT] Re: Any one interested in using a proper forum?
Henrik K wrote: Mailing lists are much better. I'm signed up for a couple of dozen mailing lists and they pretty much all work exactly the same. I don't want to learn a couple of dozen different types of web based forum software. When I send a message to a mailing list, it gets pushed out to the mailboxes of everyone who is a member, and when they respond I get an almost immediate response in my mailbox. Far more efficient than forum software. Good for you. I've signed up for many mailing lists AND forums. There is nothing inherently better or worse in either of them, No that's wrong, they're quite different and both have advantages and disadvantages. it's all up to your tastes. But it's not like there are "dozen different types" of forums (I don't really count the crappy sourceforge etc ones). There are dozens. Whether or not you choose to count some of them in your own personal list isn't really relevant. When properly setup, forums offer excellent categorization and search possibilities etc. Makes no difference to me whether I open up my list-inbox or browser+bookmark. List archives. There is a list of different places at http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists which archive the list messages and each have different search capabilities. If someone set up a proper SA forum, I'd be happy to stop by. But it might be hard to get all the developers and other active participants join there, which is what makes all the difference. Set up the forum. It might work. I'm not anti-forum, I just think mailing lists are generally better. -- Mike Cardwell - IT Consultant and LAMP developer Cardwell IT Ltd. (UK Reg'd Company #06920226) http://cardwellit.com/
Re: [OT] Re: Any one interested in using a proper forum?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:29:53PM +0100, Mike Cardwell wrote: > Jari Fredriksson wrote: > >>> I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a bit >>> hacked of with this 1980's style forum. I'm trying to get >>> to the bottom of an SA issue and this list/forum thing is >>> giving me a bigger headache than SA! >>> >>> Spamassassin has more than one or two users now and I >>> personally think that it should have a support forum to >>> match the class of software, which is now world class. >>> >>> I know it's free and all that, but even so, if this is >>> the only form of support they provide, I'm thinking that >>> I'll just start an alternative support forum, using >>> standard, full featured forum software (like SMF). >>> >>> Is there any support for this (I already know there will >>> be opposition from those who are 'resident' here. Sorry >>> guys, I just want do something to help those who just >>> dive in when they have an urgent problem. No hard >>> feelings I hope.) >>> >>> Peter Snow >> >> SMF is not a standard. Email is a standard, or at least some RFC's. >> >> I have no plans for browsing some website for this. A mailing list is free, >> push type service, which I prefer. > > Mailing lists are much better. I'm signed up for a couple of dozen > mailing lists and they pretty much all work exactly the same. I don't > want to learn a couple of dozen different types of web based forum > software. > > When I send a message to a mailing list, it gets pushed out to the > mailboxes of everyone who is a member, and when they respond I get an > almost immediate response in my mailbox. Far more efficient than forum > software. Good for you. I've signed up for many mailing lists AND forums. There is nothing inherently better or worse in either of them, it's all up to your tastes. But it's not like there are "dozen different types" of forums (I don't really count the crappy sourceforge etc ones). When properly setup, forums offer excellent categorization and search possibilities etc. Makes no difference to me whether I open up my list-inbox or browser+bookmark. If someone set up a proper SA forum, I'd be happy to stop by. But it might be hard to get all the developers and other active participants join there, which is what makes all the difference.
Re: [OT] Re: Any one interested in using a proper forum?
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 12:29 +0100, Mike Cardwell wrote: > Jari Fredriksson wrote: > > Snoweb wrote: > > >> I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a bit > >> hacked of with this 1980's style forum. I'm trying to get > >> to the bottom of an SA issue and this list/forum thing is > >> giving me a bigger headache than SA! > >> > >> Spamassassin has more than one or two users now and I > >> personally think that it should have a support forum to > >> match the class of software, which is now world class. > >> > >> I know it's free and all that, but even so, if this is > >> the only form of support they provide, I'm thinking that > >> I'll just start an alternative support forum, using > >> standard, full featured forum software (like SMF). > >> > >> Is there any support for this (I already know there will > >> be opposition from those who are 'resident' here. Sorry > >> guys, I just want do something to help those who just > >> dive in when they have an urgent problem. No hard > >> feelings I hope.) > >> > >> Peter Snow > > > > SMF is not a standard. Email is a standard, or at least some RFC's. > > > > I have no plans for browsing some website for this. A mailing list is free, > > push type service, which I prefer. > > Mailing lists are much better. I'm signed up for a couple of dozen > mailing lists and they pretty much all work exactly the same. I don't > want to learn a couple of dozen different types of web based forum software. > > When I send a message to a mailing list, it gets pushed out to the > mailboxes of everyone who is a member, and when they respond I get an > almost immediate response in my mailbox. Far more efficient than forum > software. I have to agree... As long as you register as a member of the mailing list and (optionally) filter the mail into specific folders/directories for each mailing list and (importantly) use a decent email client such as Mutt or Thunderbird or Evolution which enables proper threading, then mailing lists are extremely efficient and effective. I am a member of several technical mailing lists of which this is one. All work in the same way, all are very effective. Some have more helpful people than others - but this one I would say has some of the most helpful (if not always the most tolerant) folks of any of them. Set up your mail delivery system, set up your mail client, subscribe and enjoy... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[OT] Re: Any one interested in using a proper forum?
Jari Fredriksson wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting a bit hacked of with this 1980's style forum. I'm trying to get to the bottom of an SA issue and this list/forum thing is giving me a bigger headache than SA! Spamassassin has more than one or two users now and I personally think that it should have a support forum to match the class of software, which is now world class. I know it's free and all that, but even so, if this is the only form of support they provide, I'm thinking that I'll just start an alternative support forum, using standard, full featured forum software (like SMF). Is there any support for this (I already know there will be opposition from those who are 'resident' here. Sorry guys, I just want do something to help those who just dive in when they have an urgent problem. No hard feelings I hope.) Peter Snow SMF is not a standard. Email is a standard, or at least some RFC's. I have no plans for browsing some website for this. A mailing list is free, push type service, which I prefer. Mailing lists are much better. I'm signed up for a couple of dozen mailing lists and they pretty much all work exactly the same. I don't want to learn a couple of dozen different types of web based forum software. When I send a message to a mailing list, it gets pushed out to the mailboxes of everyone who is a member, and when they respond I get an almost immediate response in my mailbox. Far more efficient than forum software. -- Mike Cardwell - IT Consultant and LAMP developer Cardwell IT Ltd. (UK Reg'd Company #06920226) http://cardwellit.com/
