Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?
On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:17 PM, Stuart Johnston wrote: John Rudd wrote: On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:59 PM, Stuart Johnston wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When using a web client like IMP from Horde it seems the Date header is kept in the original format and never converted to my local timezone. I figure that if I converted the Date to my local timezone I would have people leaving messages in the future that always sit at the top of my Inbox. For instance it's still the 8th here in CDT but elsewhere it's the 9th and those messages now sit at the top of the list of messages to be read. The IMP4 install on my server (which I don't generally use) does convert dates to local timezone. However, sorting by arrival is the only sensible default sort for an Inbox. Now, ascending vs. descending is a different matter. I sort by position in the mail folder, regardless of any date stamps. But I don't know of any webmail clients that do something that sensible. I generally stick to using IMAP clients that support that feature (such as Apple Mail). Hmm. All of the webmail apps I use do: IMP4, Hastymail, CGP. Sorting by arrival generally means the same as by folder position. IIRC, CGP's arrival date doesn't get updated when you move a message between folders (as, if I'm remembering correctly, it's the date/time the message was delivered, not the date/time the message was put into the folder), so if you end up moving messages around a lot, the arrival dates aren't in the same order as the order-in-the-folder. CGP is the one I'm most familiar with (as that's what I use/run), but I don't actually frequently use the webmail interface for webmail; just for settings and rules. So, I could be wrong about what "arrival date" means in CGP.
Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?
John Rudd wrote: On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:59 PM, Stuart Johnston wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When using a web client like IMP from Horde it seems the Date header is kept in the original format and never converted to my local timezone. I figure that if I converted the Date to my local timezone I would have people leaving messages in the future that always sit at the top of my Inbox. For instance it's still the 8th here in CDT but elsewhere it's the 9th and those messages now sit at the top of the list of messages to be read. The IMP4 install on my server (which I don't generally use) does convert dates to local timezone. However, sorting by arrival is the only sensible default sort for an Inbox. Now, ascending vs. descending is a different matter. I sort by position in the mail folder, regardless of any date stamps. But I don't know of any webmail clients that do something that sensible. I generally stick to using IMAP clients that support that feature (such as Apple Mail). Hmm. All of the webmail apps I use do: IMP4, Hastymail, CGP. Sorting by arrival generally means the same as by folder position.
Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?
On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:59 PM, Stuart Johnston wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When using a web client like IMP from Horde it seems the Date header is kept in the original format and never converted to my local timezone. I figure that if I converted the Date to my local timezone I would have people leaving messages in the future that always sit at the top of my Inbox. For instance it's still the 8th here in CDT but elsewhere it's the 9th and those messages now sit at the top of the list of messages to be read. The IMP4 install on my server (which I don't generally use) does convert dates to local timezone. However, sorting by arrival is the only sensible default sort for an Inbox. Now, ascending vs. descending is a different matter. I sort by position in the mail folder, regardless of any date stamps. But I don't know of any webmail clients that do something that sensible. I generally stick to using IMAP clients that support that feature (such as Apple Mail).
Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When using a web client like IMP from Horde it seems the Date header is kept in the original format and never converted to my local timezone. I figure that if I converted the Date to my local timezone I would have people leaving messages in the future that always sit at the top of my Inbox. For instance it's still the 8th here in CDT but elsewhere it's the 9th and those messages now sit at the top of the list of messages to be read. The IMP4 install on my server (which I don't generally use) does convert dates to local timezone. However, sorting by arrival is the only sensible default sort for an Inbox. Now, ascending vs. descending is a different matter.
OT: Webmail (was Re: LOG: Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?)
jdow wrote: Take to heart my comment about web mail clients. At today's prices for bits on disks IMAO Web Mail clients are not worth the price of their storage for the executable file. Even Outlook Express, which I use, is faster and sorts by either received date or sent date apparently with correct regard for time zone for the sending time. And I'm not one for kicking stone walls about slow email presentation tools when I can use something that reads from its cache on disk. For most people who use it, the appeal of web-based email is not that it does email better or more capably than a native mail client (because generally speaking, it doesn't), but that it does email more *conveniently*. Zero install, minimal configuration, virtually infinite portability, and you can let someone else worry about your backups. -- Kelson Vibber SpeedGate Communications
Re: LOG: Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?
Take to heart my comment about web mail clients. At today's prices for
bits on disks IMAO Web Mail clients are not worth the price of their
storage for the executable file.
Even Outlook Express, which I use, is faster and sorts by either
received date or sent date apparently with correct regard for time
zone for the sending time. And I'm not one for kicking stone walls
about slow email presentation tools when I can use something that
reads from its cache on disk.
{^_^}
- Original Message -
From: "Robert Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I've used Horde/IMP for ever but is there a commonly regarded better
quality web based IMAP client then?
On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:50 PM, jdow wrote:
Accepting to folder lists/unix/spamassassin-users
From: "jdow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
When using a web client like IMP from Horde it seems the Date
header is kept
in the original format and never converted to my local timezone. I
figure that
if I converted the Date to my local timezone I would have people
leaving
messages in the future that always sit at the top of my Inbox. For
instance
it's still the 8th here in CDT but elsewhere it's the 9th and
those messages
now sit at the top of the list of messages to be read.
Is there anybody here who chooses to convert Date: to their local
timezone and
to store the original date in say X-Original-Date: or something in
order to
ensure that you have a last in first seen approach to managing
your email?
So youd record Date: in terms of Date Received in your local
timezone not just a
local time zone conversion of the original date.
There is an ancient observation that goes something like this, "If
kicking that brick wall hurts your foot, stop kicking the wall." If
IMP has a fault THAT dramatic what other faults lurk below its hood?
There is no way to make the conversion in SpamAssassin. There are
ways within the standard C libraries that IMP could incorporate if
its developers either had the time or the brains to do so. You might
be able to gen up a futility that would allow a tool like procmail
to perform that modification. But it might eat more of your time
than finding a higher quality web mail wazzit.
{o.o} <- Not known to be charitable about "web mail", so YMMV.
Re: LOG: Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?
I've used Horde/IMP for ever but is there a commonly regarded better quality web based IMAP client then?On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:50 PM, jdow wrote: Accepting to folder lists/unix/spamassassin-usersFrom: "jdow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: September 8, 2006 5:50:36 PM CDTTo: <users@spamassassin.apache.org>Subject: Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When using a web client like IMP from Horde it seems the Date header is keptin the original format and never converted to my local timezone. I figure thatif I converted the Date to my local timezone I would have people leavingmessages in the future that always sit at the top of my Inbox. For instanceit's still the 8th here in CDT but elsewhere it's the 9th and those messagesnow sit at the top of the list of messages to be read.Is there anybody here who chooses to convert Date: to their local timezone andto store the original date in say X-Original-Date: or something in order toensure that you have a last in first seen approach to managing your email?So youd record Date: in terms of Date Received in your local timezone not just alocal time zone conversion of the original date. There is an ancient observation that goes something like this, "Ifkicking that brick wall hurts your foot, stop kicking the wall." IfIMP has a fault THAT dramatic what other faults lurk below its hood?There is no way to make the conversion in SpamAssassin. There areways within the standard C libraries that IMP could incorporate ifits developers either had the time or the brains to do so. You mightbe able to gen up a futility that would allow a tool like procmailto perform that modification. But it might eat more of your timethan finding a higher quality web mail wazzit.{o.o} <- Not known to be charitable about "web mail", so YMMV.
Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
When using a web client like IMP from Horde it seems the Date header is kept
in the original format and never converted to my local timezone. I figure that
if I converted the Date to my local timezone I would have people leaving
messages in the future that always sit at the top of my Inbox. For instance
it's still the 8th here in CDT but elsewhere it's the 9th and those messages
now sit at the top of the list of messages to be read.
Is there anybody here who chooses to convert Date: to their local timezone and
to store the original date in say X-Original-Date: or something in order to
ensure that you have a last in first seen approach to managing your email?
So youd record Date: in terms of Date Received in your local timezone not just a
local time zone conversion of the original date.
There is an ancient observation that goes something like this, "If
kicking that brick wall hurts your foot, stop kicking the wall." If
IMP has a fault THAT dramatic what other faults lurk below its hood?
There is no way to make the conversion in SpamAssassin. There are
ways within the standard C libraries that IMP could incorporate if
its developers either had the time or the brains to do so. You might
be able to gen up a futility that would allow a tool like procmail
to perform that modification. But it might eat more of your time
than finding a higher quality web mail wazzit.
{o.o} <- Not known to be charitable about "web mail", so YMMV.
Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?
Turns out Horde's IMP allows me to sort by Arrival Date to that will do what I want. Doing what I describe below would be when you don't want to rely on the client but manipulate the message on it's way in and rewrite it's Date: header since at the very least a Mail client will allow you to sort by Date. Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > When using a web client like IMP from Horde it seems the Date header is kept > in the original format and never converted to my local timezone. I figure > that > if I converted the Date to my local timezone I would have people leaving > messages in the future that always sit at the top of my Inbox. For instance > it's still the 8th here in CDT but elsewhere it's the 9th and those messages > now sit at the top of the list of messages to be read. > > Is there anybody here who chooses to convert Date: to their local timezone > and > to store the original date in say X-Original-Date: or something in order to > ensure that you have a last in first seen approach to managing your email? > > So youd record Date: in terms of Date Received in your local timezone not > just a > local time zone conversion of the original date. > > > > > > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?
When using a web client like IMP from Horde it seems the Date header is kept in the original format and never converted to my local timezone. I figure that if I converted the Date to my local timezone I would have people leaving messages in the future that always sit at the top of my Inbox. For instance it's still the 8th here in CDT but elsewhere it's the 9th and those messages now sit at the top of the list of messages to be read. Is there anybody here who chooses to convert Date: to their local timezone and to store the original date in say X-Original-Date: or something in order to ensure that you have a last in first seen approach to managing your email? So youd record Date: in terms of Date Received in your local timezone not just a local time zone conversion of the original date. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 03:27:21PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Are there any rules right now that pertain to mail with bogus dates? Yes. > Is there anything in place that can calculate based on your location where is > in > the future (relative to the rest of the world?) DATE_IN_FUTURE_* ? -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "I gotta be sure this isn't another scientific fraud like global warming or second-hand smoke." -Mayor pgp1RkWcsWPwn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Marking Mail in the future as SPAM?
Hi, Are there any rules right now that pertain to mail with bogus dates? A common trick is to use a date in the future in order to ensure the message is noticed at the very top of the list. Is there anything in place that can calculate based on your location where is in the future (relative to the rest of the world?) so for instance where I am located it must be possible to calculate the most in future something could be datestamped because it's in a different timezone. but anything else I want marked as SPAM This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
