Moderation? (was: Drivel)
Guys,
first of all, I personally *highly* welcome the community to step up
like you did in this case. There's no need to wait for the PMC to tell
some seriously mis-behaving subscriber to watch his language. Thanks for
that!
Oh, and just in case -- this is not about words, but meaning and
intention. ;)
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 10:11 +1200, Michael Hutchinson wrote:
> > From: Charles Gregory [mailto:cgreg...@hwcn.org]
> > Good users all. Never heard of a troll?
> > Nonsensical. Irritating. Taunting.
> >
> > Best defense against this kind of childish antic is to IGNORE it.
> Yes, and as previously asked, where are the list moderators? On a very
> long smoke break?
We are listening -- though not constantly monitoring, and doing this in
our spare time. Things might slip under the radar. Sorry. :/
Please feel free to directly ping the list owners or use some other
channel to quickly trigger the PMC's attention if need be. Rather than
just posting yet another message to an already crowded thread. The
latter is exactly where your call for authority is much more likely to
go unnoticed for a while.
If you're calling for the police, don't stand in the crowd and ask where
they are. Call 'em!
> Sure we can Ignore it. That doesn't mean that a list moderator shouldn't
> get involved and solve the problem. Should be pretty easy to do, right?
I've taken care of this...
guenther
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Re: Moderation? (was: Drivel)
At 01:59 PM 9/15/2009, you wrote: Please feel free to directly ping the list owners or use some other channel to quickly trigger the PMC's attention if need be. Rather than just posting yet another message to an already crowded thread. The latter is exactly where your call for authority is much more likely to go unnoticed for a while. If you're calling for the police, don't stand in the crowd and ask where they are. Call 'em! I agree, but I didn't know the e-mail address for the mods here otherwise, believe me, I would have too long ago. Might I suggest a header added with a list owner address? If I missed the header, please let me know! Or maybe something in a group sig?
Re: Moderation? (was: Drivel)
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 14:10 -0700, Evan Platt wrote:
> At 01:59 PM 9/15/2009, you wrote:
>
> > Please feel free to directly ping the list owners or use some other
> > channel to quickly trigger the PMC's attention if need be. Rather than
> > just posting yet another message to an already crowded thread. The
> > latter is exactly where your call for authority is much more likely to
> > go unnoticed for a while.
> >
> > If you're calling for the police, don't stand in the crowd and ask where
> > they are. Call 'em!
>
> I agree, but I didn't know the e-mail address for the mods here
> otherwise, believe me, I would have too long ago.
>
> Might I suggest a header added with a list owner address? If I missed
> the header, please let me know! Or maybe something in a group sig?
See the List-Help header. A mail to users-help returns, among a lot of
other info, the users-owner address as a last resort. This will reach
the moderators. (Same with all ezmlm lists, btw.)
A mail to dev@ might be appropriate, too. Unless you're subscribed, it
will end up in the moderation queue anyway, waiting for the moderators
to notice it.
Still, we're only two of 'em, and real humans. Please be patient. :)
guenther
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Re: Moderation? (was: Drivel)
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 18:34 -0400, Charles Gregory wrote:
> I had considered this, but another poster made the worthy point that
> the (ab)user in question was likely the sort to get another fake address
> just so they could keep posting their crud. Sometimes 'ignore them' is the
> simplest and best policcy. :)
I am aware of this. There is no final way to get someone off a public
mailing list. There's always the possibility to get a new address, or
even a new netblock. Sounds familiar?
I do agree that ignoring the offender is the best solution. I have seen
this working on other lists before. So...
*Please*, everyone -- don't feed the trolls.
Oh, and BTW, we *are* aware he is still following. One of his
identities, that is. No rocket science.
> But thanks, as always, for your fine efforts. :)
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Re: Moderation? (was: Drivel)
On ons 16 sep 2009 01:08:30 CEST, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote *Please*, everyone -- don't feed the trolls. well i still can drink my beers alone :) but it would be more fun to see the trolls dont have one -- xpoint
Re: Moderation? (was: Drivel)
> On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 18:34 -0400, Charles Gregory wrote: >> I had considered this, but another poster made the worthy point that >> the (ab)user in question was likely the sort to get another fake address >> just so they could keep posting their crud. Sometimes 'ignore them' is >> the >> simplest and best policcy. :) > > I am aware of this. There is no final way to get someone off a public > mailing list. There's always the possibility to get a new address, or > even a new netblock. Sounds familiar? > > I do agree that ignoring the offender is the best solution. I have seen > this working on other lists before. So... > > *Please*, everyone -- don't feed the trolls. > > > Oh, and BTW, we *are* aware he is still following. One of his > identities, that is. No rocket science. Yes, the "buzz"ard has also displayed the same abusive nature under his other email address many times in the past. He uses the same email client (X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.3), the same reference in his Message-Id (camel), and the same source IP address (192.168.1.56), so not hard to figure out. Sorry, couldn't resist... Bill
Re: Moderation? (was: Drivel)
>> On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 18:34 -0400, Charles Gregory wrote: >>> I had considered this, but another poster made the worthy point that >>> the (ab)user in question was likely the sort to get another fake >>> address >>> just so they could keep posting their crud. Sometimes 'ignore them' is >>> the >>> simplest and best policcy. :) >> >> I am aware of this. There is no final way to get someone off a public >> mailing list. There's always the possibility to get a new address, or >> even a new netblock. Sounds familiar? >> >> I do agree that ignoring the offender is the best solution. I have seen >> this working on other lists before. So... >> >> *Please*, everyone -- don't feed the trolls. >> >> >> Oh, and BTW, we *are* aware he is still following. One of his >> identities, that is. No rocket science. > > Yes, the "buzz"ard has also displayed the same abusive nature under his > other email address many times in the past. He uses the same email client > (X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.3), the same reference in his Message-Id > (camel), and the same source IP address (192.168.1.56), so not hard to > figure out. Oh, and I forgot to mention that both Google and the Spamassassin list server receive deliveries from the same IP address (82.70.24.238). Bill
Re: Moderation? (was: Drivel)
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 16:36 -0700, Bill Landry wrote:
> Yes, the "buzz"ard has also displayed the same abusive nature under his
> other email address many times in the past. He uses the same email client
> (X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.3), the same reference in his Message-Id
> (camel), and the same source IP address (192.168.1.56), so not hard to
> figure out.
>
> Sorry, couldn't resist...
Bill, since you mentioned it...
Camel is just the Evolution Mail backend. The part after the "@" in the
Message-Id is much more interesting and the machine's hostname.
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Re: [sa] Re: Moderation? (was: Drivel)
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: See the List-Help header. A mail to users-help returns, among a lot of other info, the users-owner address as a last resort. This will reach the moderators. (Same with all ezmlm lists, btw.) I had considered this, but another poster made the worthy point that the (ab)user in question was likely the sort to get another fake address just so they could keep posting their crud. Sometimes 'ignore them' is the simplest and best policcy. :) But thanks, as always, for your fine efforts. :) - Charles
