RE: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
Pf, twitter, microsoft, oracle all billion dollar companies only removing some words The news is full of black minorities having higher risk of death in coronavirus. Unemployment is highest amongst ethnic minorities. And these companies are only concerned filling their pockets, storing their money in tax havens. You have in the states famous people bribe good schools so their kids can attend (at the expense of others). It is just a fucking insult to ethnic minorities having such companies talking only about changing words! Wtf this Amazon guy 150 billion, the most greediest man on the planet!!! Let me guess, his employees get paid lowest on the market I would think twice mentioning such companies as examples. Don't forget Zuckerberg called facebook users 'dumb fucks', that is the standard at such companies. [1] https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-25/dumb-f-ks-julian-assange-reminds-us-what-mark-zuckerberg-thinks-facebook-users -Original Message- To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave. Spamassassin is not alone. https://www.google.com/search?q=whitelist+blacklist&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS893US893&sxsrf=ALeKk02i5oEeNFMyRbCSyvz1P74SAG8W8A:1594419806351&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwobjR3MPqAhVUknIEHbzFCdwQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1008&bih=5900
Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
The proposed name changes were proposed for many years in the software community. For example in 2014, Drupal opted to use "primary/replica" instead, and Django followed suit the same year with "leader/follower". In 2018, there apparently was a renewed interest in changing the names by many others. For example, I found: https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-knodel-terminology-00.html So this issue is nothing new, and the arguments on this issue, that have been occurring on this mailing list, have already occurred. - Mark On 7/10/2020 7:18 PM, Marc Roos wrote: Pf, twitter, microsoft, oracle all billion dollar companies only removing some words The news is full of black minorities having higher risk of death in coronavirus. Unemployment is highest amongst ethnic minorities. And these companies are only concerned filling their pockets, storing their money in tax havens. You have in the states famous people bribe good schools so their kids can attend (at the expense of others). It is just a fucking insult to ethnic minorities having such companies talking only about changing words! Wtf this Amazon guy 150 billion, the most greediest man on the planet!!! Let me guess, his employees get paid lowest on the market I would think twice mentioning such companies as examples. Don't forget Zuckerberg called facebook users 'dumb fucks', that is the standard at such companies. [1] https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-25/dumb-f-ks-julian-assange-reminds-us-what-mark-zuckerberg-thinks-facebook-users -Original Message- To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave. Spamassassin is not alone. https://www.google.com/search?q=whitelist+blacklist&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS893US893&sxsrf=ALeKk02i5oEeNFMyRbCSyvz1P74SAG8W8A:1594419806351&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwobjR3MPqAhVUknIEHbzFCdwQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1008&bih=5900
Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
I don't see a problem since blacklist/whitelist are terms the computer industry just grabbed from hotel reservation desks or some place like that. It's not going to stop their use by the general public of course. As for master/slave those were picked up by mechanical designers and borrowed for computer programming and I can't imagine 2 more conservative, stick-in-the-mud groups. After 2-3 generations you MIGHT get master/slave excised from computer programming and system admin documentation but the mechanical people have been using those terms with machines for over a century and they will _never_ give those terms up. Not to mention that in the past quite a lot of white people have been slaves as whites have enslaved whites for a couple thousand years before the US was a country. But I personally don't really care one way or another. Now I would say that they jumped the shark if they try to get rid of the terms "male/female" with connectors! Hopefully everyone realizes that all of this will go away after November it's just a reaction to the current political Party in Power in the US. 45 just pardoned yet another of his criminal friends today so it's like they are now just going all-out trying to destroy as much stuff as possible before they are booted in November. It's like the bank robbers got caught and said "I guess if everyone knows we might as well rob the bank anyway!" Ted On 7/10/2020 3:32 PM, Mark London wrote: Spamassassin is not alone. https://www.google.com/search?q=whitelist+blacklist&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS893US893&sxsrf=ALeKk02i5oEeNFMyRbCSyvz1P74SAG8W8A:1594419806351&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwobjR3MPqAhVUknIEHbzFCdwQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1008&bih=5900
Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
Mark London writes: > Spamassassin is not alone. And that is how dictatorships and injustices are created: blindly following, because a lot of others do. Hitler, Mussolini and Franco where the worst. Luckily we also had the saviours, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. -- Cecil Westerhof Senior Software Engineer LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof
Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
On 2020-07-11 00:32, Mark London wrote: Spamassassin is not alone. Quote: "If a lot of people believe in something stupid, it just doesn't stop being stupid".
RE: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
>On 2020-07-11 00:32, Mark London wrote: >> Spamassassin is not alone. > >Quote: >"If a lot of people believe in something stupid, it just doesn't stop being stupid". But in a democracy you will have a problem with this.
RE: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - (reason: 553 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender address x...@f1-outsourcing.eu does not exist) I think netfence.it is not really doing a good job ;)
RE: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
> I don't see a problem since blacklist/whitelist are terms the computer industry > just grabbed from hotel reservation desks or some place like that. It's not > going to stop their use by the general public of course. I think you can go a bit further, like 1000 BC in chinese culture yin yang ;)
Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 10:24 PM Mark London wrote: > > The proposed name changes were proposed for many years in the software > community. For example in 2014, Drupal opted to use "primary/replica" > instead, and Django followed suit the same year with > "leader/follower".In 2018, there apparently was a renewed interest > in changing the names by many others. For example, I found: > Good thing everyone on this planet speaks not only English but American (American shows do tend to put captions when a British person is speaking) language and has a thesaurus on standby so they will *instinctively* primary=leader=uaoo, unless on Tuesdays, and replica=follower=Neee on Fridays but might also be secondary if the 4th moo cow is farting at a 35 degree off the ecliptic. Well, they better because if their American-to-Swahili dictionary does not have all the synonyms, including the one created a few moments ago and only used in the new version of the SDK they use, the Diversity & Inclusion Police (DIP) will take them away and throw them in a pain amplifier for the remaining of their lives for Failing to Fit In (FFI). > https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-knodel-terminology-00.html > > So this issue is nothing new, and the arguments on this issue, that have > been occurring on this mailing list, have already occurred. > If these arguments are still occurring today, could it be a reason other than Trump creating a bunch of fake emails and tweeting all the replies including this one? > - Mark >
Re: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
"As programmers, our day to day work doesn’t typically present us with opportunities to take a stand against racism. Situations like this are opportunities to be the change we want to see. When you get that opportunity and you don’t act, or even worse, you defend the status quo." That quote was from a 2018 blog: https://blog.carbonfive.com/problematic-terminology-in-open-source/ According to Wikipedia, Master/Slave was changed by IBM,[8] Microsoft,[9] Engine Yard,[10] Amazon Web Services/Amazon Relational Database Service,[11] as well as in Python,[12] Django,[13][14] Drupal,[15] CouchDB,[16] and Redis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_(technology)#Terminology_concerns The creator of Redis initially resisted the change of master/slave, and he received many "colorful" responses to his view at that time, which are worth reading: http://antirez.com/news/122 Eventually, he decided to make the change, and also received many "interesting" responses: https://github.com/redis/redis/issues/5335 Arguing for or against the change in terms, would have been useful when it was originally proposed, years ago. But since the terms are being changed in the software world, arguing now is pointless. Things are changing, whether people like it or not. The year 2000 didn't bring changes that people expected. But the year 2020, certainly has.
RE: Linux, Twitter, Mysql, Github, etc, all plan to remove blacklist and whitelist, master and slave.
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020, Marc Roos wrote: I don't see a problem since blacklist/whitelist are terms the computer industry just grabbed from hotel reservation desks or some place like that. It's not going to stop their use by the general public of course. I think you can go a bit further, like 1000 BC in chinese culture yin yang ;) Oooo, *good* point. -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 --- What the hell is an "Aluminum Falcon"??-- Emperor Palpatine --- 9 days until the 51st anniversary of Apollo 11 landing on the Moon