Re: How to setup things. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Don,

You are correct.  SpamAssassin is an open source project which
performs rather specific and technical functions, and in order for it
to work correctly it needs people with rather specific and technical
knowledge to apply it.

If you do not have the minimum technical knowledge required to
understand the how-to instructions available, then you should not be
using SpamAssassin itself -- you should be using one of the commercial
packages which use SpamAssassin internally, but which shield you from
needing to know those technical specifics.

See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CommercialProducts

Bob Menschel



Saturday, March 5, 2005, 3:28:03 AM, you wrote:

DS You have no or little mastery of computers even though you read email
DS with emacs rmail. Spamassassin headers are appearing on your messages.
DS How do you setup things if you have no or only very little mastery of
DS making dotfiles?...

DS Spamassassin instructional information around the web makes use of
DS jargon and arcane references that make it a research project for
DS people with no or little mastery just to get through the instructional
DS information !






Re: How to setup things. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread Bob Proulx
Don Saklad wrote:
 You have no or little mastery of computers even though you read email
 with emacs rmail. Spamassassin headers are appearing on your messages.

How are those spamassassin headers showing up in your messages?
Someone must have configured it for you.  If not you then your ISP is
very likely using spamassassin to classify email.  Talk to them.

 How do you setup things if you have no or only very little mastery of
 making dotfiles?...

You can't.  A basic level of knowledge is required.  If you have that
knowledge, as you imply by saying you read mail with emacs rmail, then
you should have no trouble understanding and creating, for example,
procmail rules to file your mail after having been classified by
spamassassin.

If you feel you do not have this level of capability then I suggest
you find help from the people who set up spamassassin for you.  If
they are offering spamassassin then perhaps they are also offering
support for other aspects of mail handling.

If you are looking specifically for emacs rmail help then I suggest
looking to the emacs mailing lists.  For example I use emacs but do
not use emacs rmail mode.  (I used to use emacs vm (view mail) mode.
But now I am use mutt.  I don't have emacs rmail knowledge to share.)

 Spamassassin instructional information around the web makes use of
 jargon and arcane references that make it a research project for
 people with no or little mastery just to get through the instructional
 information !

SpamAssassin is a free software project maintained by a group of
people across the Internet.  People volunteer their time and resources
to make this project available.  We find it extremely useful and
continue to contribute to it.  However you are not required to use it.
If you find it something that is not usable by you at this time then
you should not use it.  I am sorry but the tone of your message
implies that you think you deserve something that does not exist.

Bob


Re: How to setup things. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread David B Funk
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Bob Proulx wrote:

 Don Saklad wrote:

  Spamassassin instructional information around the web makes use of
  jargon and arcane references that make it a research project for
  people with no or little mastery just to get through the instructional
  information !

 SpamAssassin is a free software project maintained by a group of
 people across the Internet.  People volunteer their time and resources
 to make this project available.  We find it extremely useful and
 continue to contribute to it.  However you are not required to use it.
 If you find it something that is not usable by you at this time then
 you should not use it.  I am sorry but the tone of your message
 implies that you think you deserve something that does not exist.

Please do NOT feed the trolls, it only encourages them.

This particular one has been killfiled all over Usenet for over
a decade and so has turned to mailing lists.

A quick Google or Usenet search will reveal it for what it is. ;)


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Re: How to setup things. Novices with no or little mastery of computers.

2005-03-05 Thread Bob Proulx
David B Funk wrote:
 This particular one has been killfiled all over Usenet for over
 a decade and so has turned to mailing lists.
 
 A quick Google or Usenet search will reveal it for what it is. ;)

Wow.  I have been living a sheltered life of late and have blissfully
missed him.  Google does show that he has been an active fellow.  And
reading several of his postings I can only agree with the troll
classification.  Sorry I fell prey to the posting today.  Plonk!

Bob