Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
Am 19.05.2016 um 17:44 schrieb Joseph Brennan: Reindl Harald wrote: "doing those best" must be the reason for a testing-SPF instead "-all" come on.. Remember that the DMARC people changed Internet Message Format so that "From:" no longer shows the person who wrote the message but must "align" with the mail system that sent the message? remember all the problems it brings like for mailing-lists as this one? Well, they also changed the SPF protocol so that -all should not be used. Using ~all causes processing to continue through DKIM and DMARC, and then the failure gets reported to the "ruf" address. Using -all is just for SPF-only people ah so i need to implement on my side DMARC to give them the benefit of DMARC reports while i could with a proper setup JUST REJECT a froged message long before SpamAssassin - what a improvement anyways, your whole DMARC stuff has *nothing* to do with what you responded original because it don't and can't change ANYTHING about spam from gmail accounts, they pass SPF/DKIM/DMARC so what do you try to explain me? scoll up in the thread where you startet to respond about DMARC and then try to get the context of the thread - hint: it has NOTHING to do with forged mail from whatever servers signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
Reindl Harald wrote: > "doing those best" must be the reason for a testing-SPF instead "-all" > come on.. Remember that the DMARC people changed Internet Message Format so that "From:" no longer shows the person who wrote the message but must "align" with the mail system that sent the message? Well, they also changed the SPF protocol so that -all should not be used. Using ~all causes processing to continue through DKIM and DMARC, and then the failure gets reported to the "ruf" address. Using -all is just for SPF-only people. Joseph Brennan Columbia University Information Technology
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
Am 18.05.2016 um 20:03 schrieb Charles Sprickman: On May 18, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 18.05.2016 um 15:00 schrieb Emiliano Vazquez: El 18/05/16 a las 05:44, Reindl Harald escribió: Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting? ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?) HI guys. Google only let you send 300 e-mails per day to another domains if you are using free @gmail account. Maybe Google Apps can have more than that. Do you receive a lot of spam from the same account? not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave when you report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a lot of your customers and don't change the fact that a large part of junk making it to SA at all comes from large freemail providers including google while mostly aol/yahoo This stems from Hooli’s, oops, I mean Google’s culture. They build things correctly. Users know nothing. No feedback is needed no - it's like for most large companies taking a lot of resposibility but not able to handle it starts typically above 20 employes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
> On May 18, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > Am 18.05.2016 um 15:00 schrieb Emiliano Vazquez: >> El 18/05/16 a las 05:44, Reindl Harald escribió: Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting? >>> >>> ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your >>> network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?) >> HI guys. >> >> >> Google only let you send 300 e-mails per day to another domains if you >> are using free @gmail account. Maybe Google Apps can have more than >> that. Do you receive a lot of spam from the same account? > > not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave when you > report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a lot of your > customers and don't change the fact that a large part of junk making it to SA > at all comes from large freemail providers including google while mostly > aol/yahoo > This stems from Hooli’s, oops, I mean Google’s culture. They build things correctly. Users know nothing. No feedback is needed. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
On 5/18/2016 11:10 AM, Alarig Le Lay wrote: On Thu May 19 00:00:31 2016, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote: As far as i know, they are doing those best to reduce spam by DMARC. DMARC is used to prevent incomming spam, not outgoing. Well to be more specific, DMARC allows forgeries to be aggressively rejected. Doesn't help a bit when your users are sending spam.
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
Am 18.05.2016 um 17:00 schrieb Byung-Hee HWANG: On 2016년 5월 18일 오후 10시 6분 28초 GMT+09:00, Reindl Harald wrote: not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave when you report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a lot of your customers and don't change the fact that a large part of junk making it to SA at all comes from large freemail providers including google while mostly aol/yahoo As far as i know, they are doing those best to reduce spam by DMARC "doing those best" must be the reason for a testing-SPF instead "-all" come on.. gmail.com. 300 IN TXT "v=spf1 redirect=_spf.google.com" _spf.google.com.300 IN TXT "v=spf1 include:_netblocks.google.com include:_netblocks2.google.com include:_netblocks3.google.com ~all" signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
On Thu May 19 00:00:31 2016, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote: > As far as i know, they are doing those best to reduce spam by DMARC. DMARC is used to prevent incomming spam, not outgoing. -- alarig signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
El 18/05/16 a las 10:06, Reindl Harald escribió: not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave when you report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a lot of your customers and don't change the fact that a large part of junk making it to SA at all comes from large freemail providers including google while mostly aol/yahoo You got a point! This is totally true. Best regards. Emiliano.
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
On 2016년 5월 18일 오후 10시 6분 28초 GMT+09:00, Reindl Harald wrote: > > >Am 18.05.2016 um 15:00 schrieb Emiliano Vazquez: >> El 18/05/16 a las 05:44, Reindl Harald escribió: Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting? >>> >>> ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to >your >>> network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?) >> HI guys. >> >> >> Google only let you send 300 e-mails per day to another domains if >you >> are using free @gmail account. Maybe Google Apps can have more than >> that. Do you receive a lot of spam from the same account? > >not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave >when >you report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a lot of >your customers and don't change the fact that a large part of junk >making it to SA at all comes from large freemail providers including >google while mostly aol/yahoo As far as i know, they are doing those best to reduce spam by DMARC. -- ^고맙습니다 감사합니다_^))//
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
Am 18.05.2016 um 15:00 schrieb Emiliano Vazquez: El 18/05/16 a las 05:44, Reindl Harald escribió: Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting? ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?) HI guys. Google only let you send 300 e-mails per day to another domains if you are using free @gmail account. Maybe Google Apps can have more than that. Do you receive a lot of spam from the same account? not usually but that's not the point - the point is how they behave when you report spreaded phising over different accounts reaching a lot of your customers and don't change the fact that a large part of junk making it to SA at all comes from large freemail providers including google while mostly aol/yahoo signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
El 18/05/16 a las 05:44, Reindl Harald escribió: Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting? ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?) HI guys. Google only let you send 300 e-mails per day to another domains if you are using free @gmail account. Maybe Google Apps can have more than that. Do you receive a lot of spam from the same account? Best regards. Emiliano.
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
Am 18.05.2016 um 09:32 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: Am 17.05.2016 um 20:30 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: On 17.05.16 09:10, Marc Perkel wrote: Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting? ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?) On 17.05.16 21:41, Reindl Harald wrote: and you did ever get a response there exept "go too googlegroups and read this and that" from a bot? last time I remember the response was that they care of bugreports... what you mean was iirc something like "for more info go to groups..." i made some abuse reports to google and got back sometuing in the style "this is a autoreply, this mailbox is not read, go here and there", likely 3 years ago, maybe they changed their attitude in the meantime signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
Am 17.05.2016 um 20:30 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: On 17.05.16 09:10, Marc Perkel wrote: Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting? ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?) On 17.05.16 21:41, Reindl Harald wrote: and you did ever get a response there exept "go too googlegroups and read this and that" from a bot? last time I remember the response was that they care of bugreports... what you mean was iirc something like "for more info go to groups..." -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. On the other hand, you have different fingers.
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
Am 17.05.2016 um 20:30 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas: On 17.05.16 09:10, Marc Perkel wrote: Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting? ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?) and you did ever get a response there exept "go too googlegroups and read this and that" from a bot? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
On 17.05.16 09:10, Marc Perkel wrote: Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting? ab...@google.com should be the address (the mail was delivered to your network by *.google.com host, wasn't it?) -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity...
Re: Reporting gmail spam to Google
On Tue, 17 May 2016, Marc Perkel wrote: Is there any address that I can forward gmail spam to google for reporting? Theoretically -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174 pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 --- If you ask amateurs to act as front-line security personnel, you shouldn't be surprised when you get amateur security. -- Bruce Schneier --- 147 days since the first successful real return to launch site (SpaceX)
