Re-2: A rule to check X-ASN header

2015-11-23 Thread steve


> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'm trying to create a rule which will check the results of the ASN
> > plugin. 
> ...
> > As a test I have the following...
> > 
> > ifplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::ASN
> >header  T_SCS_ASN_EXISTS  exists:X-ASN
> >header  T_SCS_ASN_ANYTHINGX-ASN =~ /.*/i
> >header  T_SCS_ASN_ANY_AS  X-ASN =~ /AS[0-9]*/i
> >header  T_SCS_ASN_AS15169 X-ASN =~ /AS15169/
> >header  T_SCS_ASN_AS15169BX-ASN =~ /^AS15169 /
> > endif
> > 
> > On a test message which I sent myself on Friday from my google
> > account and which I am now currently pipping into SpamAssassin at the
> > command line the rules T_SCS_ASN_EXISTS and T_SCS_ASN_ANYTHING
> > trigger but T_SCS_ASN_ANY_AS, T_SCS_ASN_AS15169 and
> > T_SCS_ASN_AS15169B.
> ...
> > rules: ran header rule T_SCS_ASN_ANYTHING ==> got hit: "15169"
> 
> This is why the other tests fail, there's no "AS" before the number.
> 

RW,

Thank you! With that in mind I've made the following adjustment and the rule is 
now being triggered.

header  T_SCS_ASN_AS15169CX-ASN =~ /^15169$/

As to whether this will be helpful in detecting spam I'll let you know.

Kind regards

Steve




Re-2: A rule to check X-ASN header

2015-11-23 Thread steve


> > The example i saw last week was from "Google Audit"  > co.uk>, was DKIM signed and valid [but obviously not by Google's key :)] 
> > and was asking a user to verifiy thier account... URIs weren't blacklisted 
> > at the time.
> > My thought process was that emails with Google in the Senders Name or email 
> > address should only really originate from IP addresses / ASN's Google own (
> > initial invesgation suggest gmail.com comes from AS15169 thought I've not 
> > thrown a wide net yet).
> 
> how do you come to that strange conclusion?
> 
> that is a domain as any other and "with Google in the Senders Name or 
> email address should only really originate" is by all respect pure 
> nonsense - DKIM, SPF and DMARC are about *domains* and not *partly 
> matches* of some special handeled large companies
> _
> 
>  Domain name:
>  googletechteam.co.uk
> 
>  Registrant:
>  Alexander Duffus
> 
>  Registrant type:
>  UK Individual
> 
>  Registrant's address:
>  Bury House
>  Royston
>  Hertfordshire
>  SG8 8QB
>  United Kingdom
> 

In my mailflow I believe it to be very unusual for a domain / sender to have 
Google in it and not orignate from Googles network.


The example I gave originated from 217.199.161.224 (ASN 20738 - Webfusion 
Internet Solutions) and had *google* in the domain, to me that's something I 
want to have visability of.

Overall, while i appericate your efforts and discussions about the validatility 
of my objectives, what I'm really after is how can I query the X-ASN header? 

If this turns out to be a waste of time I'll be the first to let you know. 

Many thanks 

Steve 




Re: Re-2: A rule to check X-ASN header

2015-11-23 Thread Axb

On 11/23/2015 01:31 PM, steve wrote:

My thought process was that emails with Google in the Senders Name or
email address should only really originate from IP addresses / ASN's
Google own (initial invesgation suggest gmail.com comes from AS15169
thought I've not thrown a wide net yet).


a meta rule with rcvd header and From: header rules will do the trick, 
faster and simpler.


Re: Re-2: A rule to check X-ASN header

2015-11-23 Thread Benny Pedersen

steve skrev den 2015-11-23 13:31:


asn plugin currently does not work with ipv6

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.


i just still need self to debug why it fails, currently i have seen 
2.0.0.0/8 when ipv6 recieved in 26xx: :=)



and if you see mails pretending sent from google/gmail it wont be dkim
pass and spf pass


The example i saw last week was from "Google Audit"
, was DKIM signed and valid [but
obviously not by Google's key :)] and was asking a user to verifiy
thier account... URIs weren't blacklisted at the time.


co.uk is a domain and a tld, very cool :)

dont blame me on that

i can make google.junc.eu is it now google that spams you ?

yes i know co.uk is a valid tld, but spammers seems not knowing why not 
to use it



Test results of that scan were...

DKIM_SIGNED=0.1
DKIM_VALID=-0.1
DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1
HTML_MESSAGE=0.001
KAM_COUK=0.1
MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723
RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.582
SPF_PASS=-0.001
TXREP=1.105


what dkim domain, whois dkim-domain


My thought process was that emails with Google in the Senders Name or
email address should only really originate from IP addresses / ASN's
Google own (initial invesgation suggest gmail.com comes from AS15169
thought I've not thrown a wide net yet).


asn is nice but too unstable to make rules on

I feel its worth exploring for my purposes.


okay with me if you do with stable data


Any further advice will be grafefully recived.


possible start using dmarc ?


Re-2: A rule to check X-ASN header

2015-11-23 Thread steve


Hi Benny,

>> asn plugin currently does not work with ipv6
I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

> and if you see mails pretending sent from google/gmail it wont be dkim 
> pass and spf pass
 
The example i saw last week was from "Google Audit" 
, was DKIM signed and valid [but obviously not by 
Google's key :)] and was asking a user to verifiy thier account... URIs weren't 
blacklisted at the time.

Test results of that scan were...

DKIM_SIGNED=0.1
DKIM_VALID=-0.1
DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1
HTML_MESSAGE=0.001
KAM_COUK=0.1
MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723
RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.582
SPF_PASS=-0.001
TXREP=1.105

My thought process was that emails with Google in the Senders Name or email 
address should only really originate from IP addresses / ASN's Google own 
(initial invesgation suggest gmail.com comes from AS15169 thought I've not 
thrown a wide net yet).

> asn is nice but too unstable to make rules on
I feel its worth exploring for my purposes.

Any further advice will be grafefully recived.

Regards

Steve

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: A rule to check X-ASN header (23-Nov-2015 12:13)
From:Benny Pedersen 
To:  st...@mailinglists.spectrumcs.net

> steve skrev den 2015-11-23 13:05:
> 
> > Any advice gratefully received!
> 
> asn plugin currently does not work with ipv6
> 
> and if you see mails pretending sent from google/gmail it wont be dkim 
> pass and spf pass
> 
> asn is nice but too unstable to make rules on
> 
> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org