RE: Getting started with subversion
Okay, with those preliminaries out of the way, open the Terminal and do the following. The $ will represent your command prompt. This can be changed, so in Unix, it is common just to put $: $ cd $HOME $ svn mkdir svn_repos $ cd mkdir svn_repos $ svnadmin create newrepo This will create a Subversion repository at /Users/TommyHome/svn_repos called newrepo. You can find this in Pathfinder. Now, you will want to create a working directory: $ cd $HOME $ svn checkout file://$PWD/svn_repos/newrepo svn_project I think this should be $ svn checkout file:///$HOME/svn_repos/newrepo I know that with the cd command before, $PWD and $HOME are the same, but it's safer to use $HOME, as it will always point to the correct location. Also, notice the three /. According to the book you should either have file://localhost/$HOME... Or file:///$HOME... However I tried on a RHEL and file://$HOME works too Giulio Linedata Limited Registered Office: 85 Gracechurch St., London, EC3V 0AA Registered in England and Wales No 3475006 VAT Reg No 710 3140 03
Re: Getting started with subversion
On Jul 15, 2010, at 02:35, Giulio Troccoli wrote: Okay, with those preliminaries out of the way, open the Terminal and do the following. The $ will represent your command prompt. This can be changed, so in Unix, it is common just to put $: $ cd $HOME $ svn mkdir svn_repos $ cd mkdir svn_repos $ svnadmin create newrepo This will create a Subversion repository at /Users/TommyHome/svn_repos called newrepo. You can find this in Pathfinder. Now, you will want to create a working directory: $ cd $HOME $ svn checkout file://$PWD/svn_repos/newrepo svn_project I think this should be $ svn checkout file:///$HOME/svn_repos/newrepo Except that now your working copy will get created with the name newrepo which is weird since it's not a repo, it's a working copy. So from the original example, $ svn checkout file://$HOME/svn_repos/newrepo svn_project would be clearer. I know that with the cd command before, $PWD and $HOME are the same, but it's safer to use $HOME, as it will always point to the correct location. Six of one, half a dozen of the other, if you know what you're doing. Also, notice the three /. According to the book you should either have file://localhost/$HOME... Or file:///$HOME... However I tried on a RHEL and file://$HOME works too $HOME begins with a slash, hence file://$HOME/... is correct.
RE: Getting started with subversion
Hi List, First, thanks to David for an excellent explanation. However, I am confused a little by the sequence of commands suggested... Okay, with those preliminaries out of the way, open the Terminal and do the following. The $ will represent your command prompt. This can be changed, so in Unix, it is common just to put $: $ cd $HOME $ svn mkdir svn_repos $ cd mkdir svn_repos $ svnadmin create newrepo This will create a Subversion repository at /Users/TommyHome/svn_repos called newrepo. You can find this in Pathfinder. Now, you will want to create a working directory: $ cd $HOME $ svn checkout file://$PWD/svn_repos/newrepo svn_project This will allow you to checkout an EMPTY repository in Subversion in a directory under your $HOME directory called svn_project. When you open a new Pathfinder window, you should see this directory. If we want to create a new home for repositories to start with, then is that right? $ cd $HOME OK, go to known location $ svn mkdir svn_repos Why svn mkdir and not just mkdir ~ this is to create a new repo not to add a directory to a repo? $ cd mkdir svn_repos Should this not fail because 'mkdir' does not exist? $ svnadmin create newrepo ...should create the new repository which can then be accessed as file://$PWD/svn_repos/newrepo ok. Sorry if I am just confused about the way macs work or something... ~ mark c
RE: Getting started with subversion
I think this should be $ svn checkout file:///$HOME/svn_repos/newrepo Except that now your working copy will get created with the name newrepo which is weird since it's not a repo, it's a working copy. So from the original example, $ svn checkout file://$HOME/svn_repos/newrepo svn_project would be clearer. Sorry, my mistake. I was focusing on the $HOME bit and I forgot the svn_project. You're absolutely right Linedata Limited Registered Office: 85 Gracechurch St., London, EC3V 0AA Registered in England and Wales No 3475006 VAT Reg No 710 3140 03
Re: Getting started with subversion
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Cooke, Mark mark.co...@siemens.com wrote: $ svn mkdir svn_repos Why svn mkdir and not just mkdir ~ this is to create a new repo not to add a directory to a repo? That's what I get when I answer emails past midnight after I fell asleep on the couch. -- David Weintraub qazw...@gmail.com
RE: Getting started with subversion
Let's get through this one step at a time: First of all, if you are trying to use Subversion just to version your own designs and files, you are probably better off with TimeMachine. It versions your files and is very simple to use. All you need is a $100 USB hard drive to connect to your Mac. Remember that it isn't if your hard drive will fail, it is when, so the $100 investment is your guarantee that you won't lose your valuable work. Just to clarify, TimeMachine doesn't really version your file. It does a back up every hour of any files that have changed. So, if you change the file 4 times in one hour you can't go back to any of those revisions... just the last one TM backed up each hour. You can also use Dropbox (http://dropbox.com) which is free for 2Gb of space (which is quite a bit more than you realize). Dropbox versions your files, and has some great collaboration features that allow to share files with other users. Now this is true. They save revisions for 30 days. If you have a pro-account you can add Pack-Rat for $40 a year and they will save all revisions forever. from the dropbox help: Dropbox saves a history of all deleted and previous versions of files for 30 days for all Dropbox accounts by default. If you have the Pack-Rat add-on, Dropbox saves those files for as long as you have the Pack-Rat add-on. With Pack-Rat, you never have to worry about losing an old version of a file. BOb
Re: Getting started with subversion
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:29, Bob Archer bob.arc...@amsi.com wrote: Let's get through this one step at a time: First of all, if you are trying to use Subversion just to version your own designs and files, you are probably better off with TimeMachine. It versions your files and is very simple to use. All you need is a $100 USB hard drive to connect to your Mac. Remember that it isn't if your hard drive will fail, it is when, so the $100 investment is your guarantee that you won't lose your valuable work. Just to clarify, TimeMachine doesn't really version your file. It does a back up every hour of any files that have changed. So, if you change the file 4 times in one hour you can't go back to any of those revisions... just the last one TM backed up each hour. Also, at the end of each week (I think - it kind of depends on how much space you have. Regardless, it's some set time period), those hourlies get deleted and you only have a snapshot of the end of each day. Then just the end of each week. And when you're out of space entirely, the weeklies start getting deleted, oldest first. You do not have an eternal, complete history of each file with TM. That said, I think TM is a great backup system for the average user; it's saved me a couple times, and I really wish there was something comparable for my XP system I have to use for work.
RE: Getting started with subversion
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:29, Bob Archer bob.arc...@amsi.com wrote: Let's get through this one step at a time: First of all, if you are trying to use Subversion just to version your own designs and files, you are probably better off with TimeMachine. It versions your files and is very simple to use. All you need is a $100 USB hard drive to connect to your Mac. Remember that it isn't if your hard drive will fail, it is when, so the $100 investment is your guarantee that you won't lose your valuable work. Just to clarify, TimeMachine doesn't really version your file. It does a back up every hour of any files that have changed. So, if you change the file 4 times in one hour you can't go back to any of those revisions... just the last one TM backed up each hour. Also, at the end of each week (I think - it kind of depends on how much space you have. Regardless, it's some set time period), those hourlies get deleted and you only have a snapshot of the end of each day. Then just the end of each week. And when you're out of space entirely, the weeklies start getting deleted, oldest first. You do not have an eternal, complete history of each file with TM. Yes, to be fully technical it does an hourly, daily, weekly, monthly. It deletes oldest data first if it runs out of room. It uses links to good effect. From a MacWorld article: Time Machine keeps all of the day's backups for 24 hours, but then it begins to delete older versions to save space. You can count on it to keep the first backup of any given day for an entire month. Even after a month, it preserves the first backup of each week until your disk is nearly full. Only at that point does the program begin purging files from your oldest weekly backups. The net result is that you see your files as they appeared at many points in the past, though not all points in the past. My point was that is doesn't version/backup each change. So, that shouldn't be expectecd. That said, I think TM is a great backup system for the average user; it's saved me a couple times, and I really wish there was something comparable for my XP system I have to use for work. I think something like this comes as a client to Windows home server although it is a daily backup and I'm not sure if you can go back in time. I'm sure there are 3rd party backup systems that work like TimeMachine for Windows. If not, maybe I will write one using svn 1.7 source code as a base, sell it an become filthy rich! BOb
Re: Getting started with subversion
On 7/14/2010 1:33 PM, Thomas Garrod wrote: I'm sorry guys (and gals), I have a very basic question: How to you get files into your repository. I've got the O'Reilly book (2nd Edition), but I'm afraid is presumes too much of me. I looked at chapter 2, page 18, and it includes the following: ...typically use this when you have an existing tree of files that you want to begin tracking in your Subversion repository. For example: $ svnadmin create /ver/svn/newrepos $ svn import mytree file:///var/svn/newrepos/some/project \ For the first line: what part of this is variable? For the second line: how do I know what to enter for var/svn?newreos/ some/project? The path to my files on my computer is Macintosh HD/Users/TommyHome/ KeelWorks/Projects/GraphicArt. My command client is Path Finder is set to Macintosh: MyTaxes09 TommyHome$ This is wrong, but I don't know how to change the directory. All tips accepted, except get a brain (I tried that). When I typed 'svnadmin create /ver/svn/newrepos' I got the following response: svnadmin: Repository creation failed svnadmin: Could not create top-level directory svnadmin: Can't create directory '/var/svn/newrepos': No such file or directory Macintosh:GraphicArt TommyHome$ Does the /var/svn directory exist? It doesn't create the entire path if it doesn't exist... -- Dingo Dave Bartmess Broomfield, CO. USA http://edingo.net
RE: Getting started with subversion
I'm sorry guys (and gals), I have a very basic question: How to you get files into your repository. I've got the O'Reilly book (2nd Edition), but I'm afraid is presumes too much of me. You might want to read the free book... it seems to me it explains it well and for someone that has never used it. http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn-book.html I looked at chapter 2, page 18, and it includes the following: ...typically use this when you have an existing tree of files that you want to begin tracking in your Subversion repository. For example: $ svnadmin create /ver/svn/newrepos $ svn import mytree file:///var/svn/newrepos/some/project \ For the first line: what part of this is variable? For the second line: how do I know what to enter for var/svn?newreos/ some/project? The first line creates the repository. You specify whatever location you want. The second line you know it is /var/svn/newrepos , which is the path to your repository, frankly because you remember what path you used when you created it. If course, the file:// protocol is probably not what you will use in production unless you are a single dev working on your projects. The path to my files on my computer is Macintosh HD/Users/TommyHome/ KeelWorks/Projects/GraphicArt. My command client is Path Finder is set to Macintosh: MyTaxes09 TommyHome$ This is wrong, but I don't know how to change the directory. All tips accepted, except get a brain (I tried that). I'm not sure what you mean here by this is wrong. BTW: I haven't used PathFinder with svn. I just use the command line on my Mac. When I typed 'svnadmin create /ver/svn/newrepos' I got the following response: svnadmin: Repository creation failed svnadmin: Could not create top-level directory svnadmin: Can't create directory '/var/svn/newrepos': No such file or directory Macintosh:GraphicArt TommyHome$ On your mac you probably want to create the repository in your home folder... something like: svnadmin create ~/svn/mytestrepo If someone would simple pretend that I am a 2-year old and tell me how to add files to the repository, I would be eternally grateful (or at least for a long time). Tomas Read the redbook... I think it explains it very well. BOb
Re: Getting started with subversion
On 7/14/2010 2:33 PM, Thomas Garrod wrote: My command client is Path Finder is set to Macintosh: MyTaxes09 TommyHome$ This is wrong, but I don't know how to change the directory. All tips accepted, except get a brain (I tried that). When I typed 'svnadmin create /ver/svn/newrepos' I got the following response: svnadmin: Repository creation failed svnadmin: Could not create top-level directory This isn't a subversion issue. The /var/svn directory probably doesn't exist or you don't have write access there at your operating system level. svnadmin: Can't create directory '/var/svn/newrepos': No such file or directory Macintosh:GraphicArt TommyHome$ If someone would simple pretend that I am a 2-year old and tell me how to add files to the repository, I would be eternally grateful (or at least for a long time). Start by creating the repository somewhere that you have write permission. Macs go very far out of their way to keep you from learning simple things like that, but it's not impossible. If you want to follow your book literally, you might, as the system administrator, create the /var/svn directory, and give ownership to yourself. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com
Re: Getting started with subversion
Thanks Bob. I looked at the free book, but it looks word-for-word the same, Getting New Data into Your Repository is exactly the same. Can you point me to the right place? I thought perhaps the information under Initial Check Out would set up an initial file structure. I tried: Macintosh:GraphicArt TommyHome$ svn checkout https://ksfgraphics.goolecode.com/svn/trunk/ kwfgraphics --username whidbeytomas ---and got this: svn: OPTIONS of 'https://ksfgraphics.goolecode.com/svn/trunk': Could not resolve hostname `ksfgraphics.goolecode.com': Host not found ( https://ksfgraphics.goolecode.com) I tried this again appending --password *mypassword *to the end, that got me 'path not found' I tried: Macintosh:GraphicArt TommyHome$ *svnadmin create /var/svn/newrepos* * * ---and got: svnadmin: Repository creation failed svnadmin: Could not create top-level directory svnadmin: Can't create directory '/var/svn/newrepos': No such file or directory Surely someone has been here before?! You can't all start with a repository? Can someone tell me which section of the free manual addresses my situation? or give me explicit instructions? If I can get this down, I will be training a host of interns to use this system. They are waiting for me. Tomas You might want to read the free book... it seems to me it explains it well and for someone that has never used it. http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn-book.html On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Bob Archer bob.arc...@amsi.com wrote: I'm sorry guys (and gals), I have a very basic question: How to you get files into your repository. I've got the O'Reilly book (2nd Edition), but I'm afraid is presumes too much of me. You might want to read the free book... it seems to me it explains it well and for someone that has never used it. http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn-book.html I looked at chapter 2, page 18, and it includes the following: ...typically use this when you have an existing tree of files that you want to begin tracking in your Subversion repository. For example: $ svnadmin create /ver/svn/newrepos $ svn import mytree file:///var/svn/newrepos/some/project \ For the first line: what part of this is variable? For the second line: how do I know what to enter for var/svn?newreos/ some/project? The first line creates the repository. You specify whatever location you want. The second line you know it is /var/svn/newrepos , which is the path to your repository, frankly because you remember what path you used when you created it. If course, the file:// protocol is probably not what you will use in production unless you are a single dev working on your projects. The path to my files on my computer is Macintosh HD/Users/TommyHome/ KeelWorks/Projects/GraphicArt. My command client is Path Finder is set to Macintosh: MyTaxes09 TommyHome$ This is wrong, but I don't know how to change the directory. All tips accepted, except get a brain (I tried that). I'm not sure what you mean here by this is wrong. BTW: I haven't used PathFinder with svn. I just use the command line on my Mac. When I typed 'svnadmin create /ver/svn/newrepos' I got the following response: svnadmin: Repository creation failed svnadmin: Could not create top-level directory svnadmin: Can't create directory '/var/svn/newrepos': No such file or directory Macintosh:GraphicArt TommyHome$ On your mac you probably want to create the repository in your home folder... something like: svnadmin create ~/svn/mytestrepo If someone would simple pretend that I am a 2-year old and tell me how to add files to the repository, I would be eternally grateful (or at least for a long time). Tomas Read the redbook... I think it explains it very well. BOb
Re: Getting started with subversion
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:51, Thomas Garrod whidbeyto...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Bob. I looked at the free book, but it looks word-for-word the same, Getting New Data into Your Repository is exactly the same. Can you point me to the right place? I thought perhaps the information under Initial Check Out would set up an initial file structure. I tried: Macintosh:GraphicArt TommyHome$ svn checkout https://ksfgraphics.goolecode.com/svn/trunk/ kwfgraphics --username whidbeytomas ---and got this: svn: OPTIONS of 'https://ksfgraphics.goolecode.com/svn/trunk': Could not resolve hostname `ksfgraphics.goolecode.com': Host not found (https://ksfgraphics.goolecode.com) That's not a Subversion error, it's a network error (can't resolve hostname) because you have a typo. It should be https://ksfgraphics.googlecode.com But when that's corrected, Google reports that it's a bad URL. Make sure your URLs are right before you panic about not knowing how to use Subversion.
Re: Getting started with subversion
Maybe this sounds harsh, but try to learn something about the filesystem you are using. If the path /var/svn/newrepos can not be found on your filesystem, Subversion can't use it. Take a look at this tutorial [1]. It explains how you can create a repository in your home directory. [1] http://www.rubyrobot.org/tutorial/subversion-with-mac-os-x Hth, Nick Stolwijk ~Java Developer~ IPROFS BV. Claus Sluterweg 125 2012 WS Haarlem http://www.iprofs.nl On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Andy Levy andy.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:51, Thomas Garrod whidbeyto...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Bob. I looked at the free book, but it looks word-for-word the same, Getting New Data into Your Repository is exactly the same. Can you point me to the right place? I thought perhaps the information under Initial Check Out would set up an initial file structure. I tried: Macintosh:GraphicArt TommyHome$ svn checkout https://ksfgraphics.goolecode.com/svn/trunk/ kwfgraphics --username whidbeytomas ---and got this: svn: OPTIONS of 'https://ksfgraphics.goolecode.com/svn/trunk': Could not resolve hostname `ksfgraphics.goolecode.com': Host not found (https://ksfgraphics.goolecode.com) That's not a Subversion error, it's a network error (can't resolve hostname) because you have a typo. It should be https://ksfgraphics.googlecode.com But when that's corrected, Google reports that it's a bad URL. Make sure your URLs are right before you panic about not knowing how to use Subversion.
Re: Getting started with subversion
If you're a developer, you should be use to the command line operations. This would be true for Windows systems as well as for Unix and Macs. The Subversion book from O'Reilly is the free book and is not up to date. However, the Unix book for Mac OS X Panther is fairly up to date and is a good intro to Unix on your Mac. If you're doing development, you really need to be familiar with the command line and learning about VI/VIM is a good thing to know. (Or EMACS if you're so inclined. The Mac contains both of these tools). VI/VIM and EMACS are program editors that work directly from a terminal window. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Thomas Garrod whidbeyto...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Bob. I looked at the free book, but it looks word-for-word the same, The O'Reilly books is basically a reprint of the free book, increasingly out of date. It needs an update. The directions there are sometimes lacking in detail for people new to UNIX and command line operations. -- David Weintraub qazw...@gmail.com
RE: Getting started with Subversion.
Linedata Services (UK) Ltd Registered Office: Bishopsgate Court, 4-12 Norton Folgate, London, E1 6DB Registered in England and Wales No 3027851VAT Reg No 778499447 -Original Message- From: Thomas Garrod [mailto:whidbeyto...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 April 2010 02:01 To: users@subversion.apache.org Subject: Getting started with Subversion. OK, I'm a complete rube. I don't know the second thing about Subversion (I know it is version control). I need Subversion, and I don't know where to start. Here are a few facts: 1. I have a foundation. 2. I need collaborators to be able to work together virtually sharing development files. 3. We are working with graphics, .swf, .as, .fla, XML, XSLT, audio and video files. 4. Google Project uses Subversion. 5. I have a Mac with 10.5.8 OS 6. I don't know where to start with Subversion. I don't know what a binary package is, but I do know I need to have a version of Subversion on my Mac. Others will need to have a version for Windows. Let's start with me, what do I need to download? Looking at the options for Mac OS X, I have no idea which to chose. Can someone give me a start? I'd recommend starting with reading the book http://svnbook.red-bean.com/
Re: Getting started with Subversion.
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Thomas Garrod whidbeyto...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I'm a complete rube. I don't know the second thing about Subversion (I know it is version control). I need Subversion, and I don't know where to start. Here are a few facts: Are you creating a Subversion repository, or just using a Subversion client on your Mac? Open up the Terminal Application (it's under Applications/Utilities). Go to a terminal window, and type in svn --version. If you have Subversion installed (which is installed on all Macs since 10.5), you should see Subversion return Subversion's revision number to you. It's probably 1.5.x. If you want a GUI Subversion client for the Mac, try Path Finder which is like Finder on Steroids. You can get that from http://cocoatech.com. Path Finder includes a lot of features that aren't in Finder, but most power users want. And, one of the features it has is built in Subversion integration. I also believe that XCode is integrated with Subversion too. You should also look at http://svnbook.com which is the Subversion on line manual. Many open source projects have horrendous documentation, but Subversion isn't one of them. The very first chapter will give you an excellent overview on how Subversion works. -- David Weintraub qazw...@gmail.com
