RE: Does Tapestry work with XHTML?
Please don't give up on the XHTML thing. Alex Russell is completely wrong in the article Jesse referred to. His condemnation of so-called academics (Alex's label) smacks of narrow-mindedness, lack of forethought and wilful unawareness of the very history of web development he briefly covers (i.e. tag soup et al) Yes, he's correct that implementing some standards can be testing and that an overly pedantic approach to them can be debilitating (as one commenter points out in that article: they are recommendations, not edicts). However, that doesn't mean that one should ditch them: the development of standards will, by definition, _always_ be in advance of practice. The idea is that one should always be working _towards_ the fullest possible implementation of relevant standards within the constraints of pragmatism ... for Tapestry, one of those standards _has_ to be XHTML because, in combination with other standards - such as CSS, it is the _only_ solution which offers the possibility of a consistent interface with the client-side - with the added benefit of a transparent incorporation of multi-format documents (e.g. XHTML + SVG + MathML etc) Whilst there is a degree of dissent about the relative merits of standards for client-side technologies at present (caused, in large part, by the failure of a certain leading browser manufacturer to propery implement them), this situation is only exacerbated by developer abandonment. As for Tapestry components that aren't able to produce valid XHTML ... they really should be able to by now and I think it's a bit weak that they don't. But, saying that, it is open source and you would be free to hack these components to produce the required XHTML. Chris -Original Message- From: Galam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2006 17:10 To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: Does Tapestry work with XHTML? Thanks everyone for the tips and advices. I'll stick with HTML then. On 5/29/06, Todd Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yet, not all of Tapestry's components produce compliant xhtml, so you may be wasting your time going through these measures. On 5/29/06, Paul Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right. And just to be clear: the .xhtml is not necessary for XHTML, not just for Tapestry, but in *any* content -- and I don't think the text/xml mime type is necessary either. It's the DOCTYPE that has the last word. Use the W3C validator when in doubt! Use it when not in doubt, too. Cheers, Paul On May 29, 2006, at 2:11 AM, Kristian Marinkovic wrote: hi, to use XHTML it is NOT necessary to rename the .html file to .xhtml. all you have to do is to add the dtd and the ?xml. the only reason i could imagine you want to rename it to .xhtml is because you could configure your webserver to set the correct mime-type (text/xml). but if you do so IE6 (and before) won't be able to display your document correctly. btw. if you put ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? into your document IE6 will run in quirksmode and not in standard compliant mode! this may cause some misbehaviours when using css :) (boxmodel...) although it is not absolutly correct you may omit ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? completly (or you generate it depending on the current browser :)). regards, kris Galam [EMAIL PROTECTED] omAn Tapestry users 29.05.2006 04:32 users@tapestry.apache.org K opie Bitte antwortenThema an Does Tapestry work with XHTML? Tapestry users [EMAIL PROTECTED] pache.org Hi all, Does Tapestry work with XHTML? I renamed Home.html to Home.xhtml in my test application, but I got an exception saying that Could not find template for page Home in locale en_US. --- org.apache.hivemind.ApplicationRuntimeException Could not find template for page Home in locale en_US. component: [EMAIL PROTECTED] location: context:/WEB-INF/Home.page, line 4, column 55 1 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? 2 !DOCTYPE page- specification PUBLIC -//Apache Software Foundation//Tapestry Specification 4.0// EN 3 http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/dtd/Tapestry_4_0.dtd; 4 page-specification class=com.ttdev.HelloWorld.Home 5 component id=subject type=Insert 6 binding name=value value=greetingSubject/ 7 /component 8 /page-specification Thanks!
RE: Multiple skins with Tapestry
Absolutely use CSS! There should never really be any reason to have to change your (X)HTML for the purposes of styling (the markup should be a semantic representation of the content anyway, so using it as a representation of the display would be incorrect). ... The same goes for JavaScript ... Then you could just swap CSS and JS in and out as theme assets as required. Chris p.s. ++ use HTML _lists_ for navigation bars, _not_ tables. It isn't 1999 anymore ;D -Original Message- From: Tian-Jian Barabbas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 May 2006 16:41 To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: Multiple skins with Tapestry Konstantin Ignatyev wrote: Tapestry skins feature is in the 'wish list' http://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/WishList Any ideas if it will be moved into TODO list? I'm considering a similar requirement, too. Actually, I would like to customize contrib:TablePages' navigation bar with CSS, because according to Google results, we can only extend our own Java classes to do so. And then I found a component library for Tapestry called TapFx: http://andyhot.di.uoa.gr/tapfx/app?service=page/Home It seems to make us closer to the skin feature. Regards, Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or one of its agents. Please note that neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept any responsibility for viruses that may be contained in this e-mail or its attachments and it is your responsibility to scan the e-mail and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or its agents by means of e-mail communication. Macmillan Publishers Limited Registered in England and Wales with registered number 785998 Registered Office Brunel Road, Houndmills, Basingstoke RG21 6XS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Google Web Toolkit
Horrible, horrible, GridBagLayout I loathe it. What an awful mess. CSS is so many thousands of times nicer for doing layout I am sympathetic to the applets not Javascript argument, though. Applets with CSS layout would be especially nice. But applets don't integrate well with the flow of the web: like Flash- based sites, you can't bookmark them, search engines can't index them, etc. There are limits to what they're good for. If there were a good way to attach Java to a page's DOM, then we'd be cooking. I wonder how limited GWT is in this respect? Tapestry works very hard to respect the client's control of their browser. respecting the flow of the web and the clients' ultimate control of their environment is vital here, I think I'd like to have a closer look at the accessibility of the Google toolkit. The inexorable rise of AJAX has resulted in the web being pushed _backwards_ in this regard See: http://joeclark.org/ice/iceweb2006-notes.html http://joeclark.org/ice/iceweb2006-test-results.html http://www.sitepoint.com/article/ajax-screenreaders-work In summary, the accessibility problem boils down to events occurring on a page refreshing content but this not being announced in any other way than visually. Therefore, users of assistive technologies hav no idea what is happening! It would be really excellent to see Tap5 be the _first_ framework to implement AJAX stuff in a genuinely accessible manner out of the box That would be a _real_ achievement ... not just eye-candy ;D Chris DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or one of its agents. Please note that neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept any responsibility for viruses that may be contained in this e-mail or its attachments and it is your responsibility to scan the e-mail and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or its agents by means of e-mail communication. Macmillan Publishers Limited Registered in England and Wales with registered number 785998 Registered Office Brunel Road, Houndmills, Basingstoke RG21 6XS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: All proposed logos so far
Ivano Pagano wrote: Hi all, this is me playing on the ideas so far proposed... feel free to comment or play with it. http://www.mclink.it/personal/ML4516/tapestry/tapestry_logo.jpg this is the source: http://www.mclink.it/personal/ML4516/tapestry/tapestry_logo.png I was looking for a tapestry-looking pattern for the unicorn bg but fireworks doesn't come with it. Whilst drop-shadows, 3-d effects, and soft-patterns can look good at a large size, they scale _very_ badly. It's _very_ important that logos work at all sizes and that they have direct visual impact: cluttered designs which involve layering of motifs one upon the other will fail in this regard. They also need to work in colour and monochrome, and may be used on coloured backgrounds. Gradients and the like are, therefore, also out of the question. Think of all the _really_ successful logos out there (e.g. Mercedes, IBM, Nike, Coca-Cola etc etc): simplicity; clear lines; simplicity, directness. In another thread (new logo for Tapestry), Marcus Schulte made the excellent point that the spamassassin logo makes an excellent job of referencing the Apache feather in a way that also conjures the emotion of the product (i.e. an arrow killing spam mail! :D) Now, whilst it's not necessary for the Tapestry logo to be the next Nike-tick or Mercedes-star, it's definitely worth learning from them. A good, quick reference can be found here: http://www.goodlogo.com/backgrounds/good.logos/ Chris DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or one of its agents. Please note that neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept any responsibility for viruses that may be contained in this e-mail or its attachments and it is your responsibility to scan the e-mail and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or its agents by means of e-mail communication. Macmillan Publishers Limited Registered in England and Wales with registered number 785998 Registered Office Brunel Road, Houndmills, Basingstoke RG21 6XS
resources for new Tapestry logo
Hi, Is vector artwork available for the Apache feather? If people are interested in incorporating this into the new design somehow, it would probably be A Good Thing if scalable versions of the feather were made available for designers to use? Chris --- christopher townson - new technology developer nature publishing group - 4 crinan st., london t. +44 (20) 7843-4644 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or one of its agents. Please note that neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept any responsibility for viruses that may be contained in this e-mail or its attachments and it is your responsibility to scan the e-mail and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or its agents by means of e-mail communication. Macmillan Publishers Limited Registered in England and Wales with registered number 785998 Registered Office Brunel Road, Houndmills, Basingstoke RG21 6XS
RE: resources for new Tapestry logo
Is vector artwork available for the Apache feather? okay, found it: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=tct=rescd=1url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ffoundation%2Fpress%2Fkit%2Fasf_logo.epsei=fqZtRPCHCpKeiAL00fyUBwsig2=N3AoqcD0iUokKpB8KjKxIw DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or one of its agents. Please note that neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept any responsibility for viruses that may be contained in this e-mail or its attachments and it is your responsibility to scan the e-mail and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or its agents by means of e-mail communication. Macmillan Publishers Limited Registered in England and Wales with registered number 785998 Registered Office Brunel Road, Houndmills, Basingstoke RG21 6XS
RE: All proposed logos so far
If I have learned one thing about graphic design, then it is that this is a task that should be done by professional designers and definitely not by developers. The same applies to java development done by graphic designers. +1! DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or one of its agents. Please note that neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept any responsibility for viruses that may be contained in this e-mail or its attachments and it is your responsibility to scan the e-mail and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or its agents by means of e-mail communication. Macmillan Publishers Limited Registered in England and Wales with registered number 785998 Registered Office Brunel Road, Houndmills, Basingstoke RG21 6XS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: new logo for Tapestry
Hi, I agree that a logo competition should be held. At the mean time, my artist friend has created one at http://www.agileskills2.org/EWDT/Tapestry.jpg Please comment. I mean no disrespect to your artists friend, but I think that needs a considerable amount of work before it comes close ... but I'm sure they know that already, right? More problematic, though: 1. I think the combination of the cursive ta and sans-serif pestry is awkward. Where font combinations are used within a word like this, each type face should usage should constitute a potentially separate word in its own right. I'm not convinced that either font would be a good choice, even if used exclusively. 2. The check pattern is crude; lacking subtlety and refinement 3. The green is rather dull; lacking vibrancy. Additionally, the combination of this with the grey-green in the check pattern lacks contrast. Again, I'd like to emphasise that I mean this as constructive criticism - rather than an uninformed Oh, it's rubbish: throw it away! :D Chris DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or one of its agents. Please note that neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept any responsibility for viruses that may be contained in this e-mail or its attachments and it is your responsibility to scan the e-mail and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or its agents by means of e-mail communication. Macmillan Publishers Limited Registered in England and Wales with registered number 785998 Registered Office Brunel Road, Houndmills, Basingstoke RG21 6XS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: I do not like the new tapestry logo (constructive criticism)
The Postgresql elephant is a terrific logo because it suggests elephantine memory. Just seeing a unicorn by itself doesnt really tie itself to the project. You could depict a knight or a dragon to the same effect - it might be something appearing on heraldic tapestries; either way the tapestry idea is lost in the background. Here are ideas - a spiderweb - a loom - a needle and thread - if someone can draw Arachne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachne) that might be mythological enough for some of the tastes here. hello - I've been hanging around this list for a while, but this is my first post ... for my $0.10/£0.02p worth: I think the Arachne idea is _brilliant_! Wins my vote. I'd tend to agree that the relationship between tapestry and unicorn is tenuous at best. I have a background in both art history/theory/philosophy and design before moving into development, so I know what I'm talking about ;D How about a contemporary-style re-interpretation of something like this: http://www.hranajanto.com/pgfx/BW/Arachne-200.gif I think having something feminine is a good thing, too: I think it would give the framework a softer connotations than masculine or abstract; it could suggest easy-to-use etc I know many good designers who'd would probably be happy to have a go at this for you for gratis. Anyway: back to list watching! :D Chris p.s. Tapestry is fantastic - I hope to get more involved with it (and this list) over the coming months DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or one of its agents. Please note that neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept any responsibility for viruses that may be contained in this e-mail or its attachments and it is your responsibility to scan the e-mail and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or its agents by means of e-mail communication. Macmillan Publishers Limited Registered in England and Wales with registered number 785998 Registered Office Brunel Road, Houndmills, Basingstoke RG21 6XS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
