Re: just posted some thoughts on tapestry and its future
Good thoughts, indeed. One thing I didn't see is related to the learning curve. While Tapestry initially had the reputation has hard to learn, I've not really found that to be the case with 4.0.2. (At least after reading "Enjoying Web Development with Tapestry") However, the lack of good documentation is hindering the learning and adoption, IMHO. While the components are documented (http://tapestry.apache.org/ tapestry4/) and there is a nice JavaDoc of the API, I've found it hard to find documentation on the rest. Tapestry is more than just web components. Some examples: 1. What all can one extend or implement for a page? (BasePage, PageBeginRenderListener, IExternalPage, etc.) A concise list of these with examples would be really handy. 2. All the support classes, e.g. ILinkRenderer, ServiceEncoder, ValidationDelegate, etc. I can find documentation on many if I know what I'm looking for, but when starting out, I have no idea. 3. A nice list of what's available to inject via HiveMind. It must have taken me over an hour to find about injecting an "app-property". Thanks to the aforementioned book, I already knew about "ognl:beans" and "ognl:components" for properties in the .page file, but the whole Tapestry HiveMind object space would be really handy to have documented. Basically, the scattered nature of the documentation makes it hard to get my app to do what I want. There may be documentation for much of this, but I can't find it easily... Some pluses, integrating an existing servlet app with Tapestry is very easy (once you know about IExternalPage). Authentication doesn't seem to be addressed in 4.0.2, but it integrates very well with SecurityFilter (that my servlet has been using for 5 years or so) after going to friendly URLs and disabling forwarding /app to the servlet.) Norman Franke www.myasd.com On May 19, 2007, at 10:44 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: This is something that I've been thinking about for a while and wrote a blog post about why I think Tapestry hasn't seen greater adoption, I would like to encourage all who are interested in commenting (or just reading) to visit my blog. I would like this to be a constructive discussion, so please no flames ;-). http://jroller.com/page/WarnerOnstine?entry=why_hasn_t_tapestry_been -warner - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: just posted some thoughts on tapestry and its future
And they are very good thoughts. There won't be a Tapestry 6. The design of Tapestry 5 is to create the stability you call for in your blog posting. The essence of Tapestry for me is that there is a fundamental germ of an idea encapsulated in the code and the design, and it's a powerful and compelling idea. Tapestry 1 through Tapestry 4 approached that idea and made it possible for many users to leverage it, but minor flaws in the implementation grew overwhelming, especially in terms of "coloring outside the lines". My skill as a designer, as a coder, and (I hope) as an evangelist have all grown over the last few years, possibly as I've been exposed to other great developers (via the No Fluff Just Stuff conferences) and, through teaching Tapesry, to more actual users. My goal is to have something overwhelmingly compelling for new users, who are suffering under Struts and JSF, and for existing users (who need to make a transition from T4 to T5). The feedback I've been getting from my actual, paying clients is very positive, which keeps me motivated. On 5/19/07, Warner Onstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is something that I've been thinking about for a while and wrote a blog post about why I think Tapestry hasn't seen greater adoption, I would like to encourage all who are interested in commenting (or just reading) to visit my blog. I would like this to be a constructive discussion, so please no flames ;-). http://jroller.com/page/WarnerOnstine?entry=why_hasn_t_tapestry_been -warner Warner Onstine - Programmer/Author New book! Tapestry 101 available at http://sourcebeat.com/books/ tapestrylive.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://warneronstine.com/blog - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Howard M. Lewis Ship TWD Consulting, Inc. Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant Creator and PMC Chair, Apache Tapestry Creator, Apache HiveMind Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
just posted some thoughts on tapestry and its future
This is something that I've been thinking about for a while and wrote a blog post about why I think Tapestry hasn't seen greater adoption, I would like to encourage all who are interested in commenting (or just reading) to visit my blog. I would like this to be a constructive discussion, so please no flames ;-). http://jroller.com/page/WarnerOnstine?entry=why_hasn_t_tapestry_been -warner Warner Onstine - Programmer/Author New book! Tapestry 101 available at http://sourcebeat.com/books/ tapestrylive.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://warneronstine.com/blog - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]