Re: t5's version?
thank all of you guys and your interestring discuss! and i prefer jetty too. but,who can solve my problem? Peter Stavrinides wrote: > > Hi Szemere, > > I am very interested in JBoss, the reason is that we have J2EE > applications that we need to combine with our Tapestry web application, > and whatever is easier to work with gets my vote! > > I have found Jetty to be the best, for development at least. In addition > to the hot code replace issues Tomcat has, Tomcat often caches data > causing some problems, especially with the partial restarts it does to > compensate for class reloading inefficiencies. > > However Jetty is very lightweight, in eclipse we linked our web > application with another J2EE application module running on Tomcat, but we > couldn't replicate this setup to run with Jetty. I tested this briefly > with JBoss and it also worked but JBoss had far too much baggage and was > too slow... if you have any pointers / resources on how can you trim JBoss > down, I would love to give it another try! > > For a production server I swear by Tomcat still, Tomcat 6 is apparantly > supposed to be very good performance wise, and the built in connectors > like Apache's AJP connector make it easy to configure as reverse proxy to > Apache. Please excuse my ignorance, but what added benefit/s does a JBoss > wrapped Tomcat bring? > > thanks, > Peter > > - Original Message - > From: "Szemere Szemere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Tapestry users" > Sent: Thursday, 22 May, 2008 5:16:25 PM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, > Bucharest, Istanbul > Subject: Re: t5's version? > > I can certainly recommend JBoss as a wrapper around Tomcat to solve the > classloader issues. It's auto-deploy feature is really effective. You > could > say it's a little like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut, but you can > slim the sledgehammer (JBoss) down and it does the job effectively and so > much better than anything else I've seen. That's our production solution - > for dev we also use Jetty, sometimes JBoss-Tomcat. > > Szemere > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/t5%27s-version--tp17343189p17418953.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t5's version?
Hi Szemere, I am very interested in JBoss, the reason is that we have J2EE applications that we need to combine with our Tapestry web application, and whatever is easier to work with gets my vote! I have found Jetty to be the best, for development at least. In addition to the hot code replace issues Tomcat has, Tomcat often caches data causing some problems, especially with the partial restarts it does to compensate for class reloading inefficiencies. However Jetty is very lightweight, in eclipse we linked our web application with another J2EE application module running on Tomcat, but we couldn't replicate this setup to run with Jetty. I tested this briefly with JBoss and it also worked but JBoss had far too much baggage and was too slow... if you have any pointers / resources on how can you trim JBoss down, I would love to give it another try! For a production server I swear by Tomcat still, Tomcat 6 is apparantly supposed to be very good performance wise, and the built in connectors like Apache's AJP connector make it easy to configure as reverse proxy to Apache. Please excuse my ignorance, but what added benefit/s does a JBoss wrapped Tomcat bring? thanks, Peter - Original Message - From: "Szemere Szemere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tapestry users" Sent: Thursday, 22 May, 2008 5:16:25 PM GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul Subject: Re: t5's version? I can certainly recommend JBoss as a wrapper around Tomcat to solve the classloader issues. It's auto-deploy feature is really effective. You could say it's a little like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut, but you can slim the sledgehammer (JBoss) down and it does the job effectively and so much better than anything else I've seen. That's our production solution - for dev we also use Jetty, sometimes JBoss-Tomcat. Szemere - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t5's version?
I can certainly recommend JBoss as a wrapper around Tomcat to solve the classloader issues. It's auto-deploy feature is really effective. You could say it's a little like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut, but you can slim the sledgehammer (JBoss) down and it does the job effectively and so much better than anything else I've seen. That's our production solution - for dev we also use Jetty, sometimes JBoss-Tomcat. Szemere
Re: t5's version?
Hi Josh, With Tomcat it's all the small, annoying problems I encounter every once in a while and the fact that it's slooow compared to Jetty. And since I use it for development I might as well use it in production. With MySQL... I sort of just want to try (and learn) something new. That and the fact that MySQL is just weird sometimes. And since I'm the one making the decisions around here, I can do whatever I want. :) -Filip On 2008-05-21 19:17, Josh Canfield wrote: Hey Filip, I'm using the same environment that you've described. I'm curious about your choice to move from MySQL and Tomcat. I've considered making the two changes you are working on, and I'm curious what made you take the leap? Josh On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Filip S. Adamsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My projects are setup with Maven, stored in Subversion, edited in IntelliJ IDEA, run in Jetty for local testing, deployed to Tomcat 5.5 (for now, moving to Jetty soon) and use Hibernate with MySQL (although I'm migrating to PostgreSQL soon) for data access. -Filip mark lu skrev: sorry,i mean what technology do you use in you web application? such as tapestry ,spring ,hibernate,cvs,eclipse,etc. thank you for your help!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: Hi, I'm hardly an expert. I just read the docs and keep an eye on the commits and JIRA issues. :) All the advice I can give is that you read ALL the docs on T5 and go from there. Learning Spring is not necessary with T5 IoC. Hibernate is a very good framework to know, though - I use it extensively myself. I can't recommend a database for you, it depends on the kind of application you want to make, your budget, where you deploy, etc. What do you mean by what "knowledges" I use? -Filip mark lu skrev: Alexander 's book based on 5.0.6. i think you must be an expert in tapestry! i want to build my web application,cound you give me some advices? what other knowledges do i need except for tapestry?do i need learn spring or hibernate? Alexander recommend db4o as a database,how about you advice? what knowledges do you use in you web applicaton? thanks!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: Hi there, Welcome to the list. :) Alexander's book is based on Tapestry 5.0.7 or so, I believe. The current beta version is 5.0.11 with 5.0.12 available as snapshots. As T5 was alpha when Alexander wrote the book, there have been quite a few changes since then. You can see some of them at http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-core/upgrade.html. If there's anything else that doesn't work I'd advise you to check out the relevant docs at the website, and if that doesn't solve your problem, send a mail to this list. We'll probably be able to tell you what's going on. Regarding T5 applications, I've had one site running since December 2, 2007 and another site up since August, 2007. -Filip On 2008-05-20 17:27, mark lu wrote: i am new to tapestry. i just want to use t5 to build my application and i don't want to learn the inner technology of t5. so,what's the stable version of t5? i have read Alexander Kolesnikov's book--tapestry 5 build web application,and know something about t5. however,during my studying process,i encountered some problem even though i have followed the book. so,i think it's the framework's bug,maybe. so...who can help me? another question: whoever have built a application using t5 already? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t5's version?
Hey Filip, I'm using the same environment that you've described. I'm curious about your choice to move from MySQL and Tomcat. I've considered making the two changes you are working on, and I'm curious what made you take the leap? Josh On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Filip S. Adamsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My projects are setup with Maven, stored in Subversion, edited in IntelliJ > IDEA, run in Jetty for local testing, deployed to Tomcat 5.5 (for now, > moving to Jetty soon) and use Hibernate with MySQL (although I'm migrating > to PostgreSQL soon) for data access. > > -Filip > > mark lu skrev: >> >> sorry,i mean what technology do you use in you web application? >> such as tapestry ,spring ,hibernate,cvs,eclipse,etc. >> thank you for your help!! >> >> >> Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm hardly an expert. I just read the docs and keep an eye on the commits >>> and JIRA issues. :) >>> >>> All the advice I can give is that you read ALL the docs on T5 and go from >>> there. Learning Spring is not necessary with T5 IoC. Hibernate is a very >>> good framework to know, though - I use it extensively myself. >>> >>> I can't recommend a database for you, it depends on the kind of >>> application you want to make, your budget, where you deploy, etc. >>> >>> What do you mean by what "knowledges" I use? >>> >>> -Filip >>> >>> mark lu skrev: Alexander 's book based on 5.0.6. i think you must be an expert in tapestry! i want to build my web application,cound you give me some advices? what other knowledges do i need except for tapestry?do i need learn spring or hibernate? Alexander recommend db4o as a database,how about you advice? what knowledges do you use in you web applicaton? thanks!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: > > Hi there, > > Welcome to the list. :) > > Alexander's book is based on Tapestry 5.0.7 or so, I believe. The > current beta version is 5.0.11 with 5.0.12 available as snapshots. > > As T5 was alpha when Alexander wrote the book, there have been quite a > few changes since then. You can see some of them at > http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-core/upgrade.html. > > If there's anything else that doesn't work I'd advise you to check out > the relevant docs at the website, and if that doesn't solve your problem, > send a mail to this list. We'll probably be able to tell you what's going > on. > > Regarding T5 applications, I've had one site running since December 2, > 2007 and another site up since August, 2007. > > -Filip > > On 2008-05-20 17:27, mark lu wrote: >> >> i am new to tapestry. >> i just want to use t5 to build my application and i don't want to >> learn >> the >> inner technology of t5. >> so,what's the stable version of t5? >> i have read Alexander Kolesnikov's book--tapestry 5 build web >> application,and know something about t5. >> however,during my studying process,i encountered some problem even >> though >> i >> have followed the book. >> so,i think it's the framework's bug,maybe. >> so...who can help me? >> >> another question: >> whoever have built a application using t5 already? > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- -- TheDailyTube.com. Sign up and get the best new videos on the internet delivered fresh to your inbox. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t5's version?
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Adam Zimowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can use pretty much any IDE to develop your web application, but > Howard (the creator) as well as most people on the list use Eclipse, > so if you need IDE-specific help, you're most likely to get it here > with Eclipse as your tool. > > For application server (aka servlet container), again, you can use > anything (Tomcat, Resin, Jetty, JBoss, WebSphere, etc), but one that > is heavily preferred here is Jetty, for its speed and simplicity. > Again, you'll eliminate tons of potential problems related to app > server setup if you choose Jetty at least for you local development. > For example, under Jetty Tapestry live class reloading works > flawlessly, but not so under Tomcat (due to Tomcat's internal design, > specifically it's classloader design). > > Other than those two, you're free to use any technology. Tapestry has > a great support for Hibernate, so if you choose that you'll be right > at home. I personally use iBatis, and have had no problems integrating > it with Tapestry. Spring is also very well supported, but really, not > needed since one of Spring's biggest advantages, it's IOC container, > has built-in functionality in Tapestry. What I mean is that Tapestry > has a fantastic IOC container itself, which pretty much eliminates the > need for Spring. If you need AOP, integrating AspectJ should work just > as well. I wrote few applications in Tapestry 5 where the only part of > Spring I used was spring-core, spring-dao and spring-jdbc, to take > advantage of Spring data access layer. Tapestry is very, very flexible > in regards what technology stack you want to use with it. > > If you're used to logging with Log4J this may be a bit of change to > you, as Tapestry uses simple logging facade rather than commons > logging. What this means, you won't be using Log4J directly in your > apps as you may have in the past, instead you'll be using Logger class > from http://www.slf4j.org/. It takes a while getting used to, because > at first I would find myself using Log4J in non-Tapestry classes > anyway (just a habit) rather than pulling in slf4j. > > Finally, Tapestry 5 is a world-class code! If you have a chance take a > look at it's sources. It reads like a poem, simply put, it's a > masterpiece. What I mean by that is that it follows all the best > practices, desgin patterns, and everything a programmer should be > doing. You can learn a great bit about system design by following > patterns used by Tapestry itself. Thanks for the complements! I prefer all my DSLs to be in iambic pentameter. > > It really helps to be very famliar with Inversion of Control, as > Tapestry implements it quite differently than what many newcommers are > used to. Using dependencies is very easy, as you found from the book, > just do @Inject, @InjectPage etc and bam! it's there. Setting up your > own (dao's, etc) is different though, as you build a "module" with > build methods or bindings, I'd recommend to get very familiar with > Tapestry IOC section on the website: > http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-ioc/. > > Other than that, I can only say Tapestry 5 is a pleasure to work with! > It's power is amazing, anything can be changed and configured, so if > you're ever thinking, jeez I don't like this or that default, what > now? Just send and e-mail to this list, and you'll see it most likely > can be changed the way you want it. > > Enjoy! > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, mark lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> sorry,i mean what technology do you use in you web application? >> such as tapestry ,spring ,hibernate,cvs,eclipse,etc. >> thank you for your help!! >> >> >> Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm hardly an expert. I just read the docs and keep an eye on the >>> commits and JIRA issues. :) >>> >>> All the advice I can give is that you read ALL the docs on T5 and go >>> from there. Learning Spring is not necessary with T5 IoC. Hibernate is a >>> very good framework to know, though - I use it extensively myself. >>> >>> I can't recommend a database for you, it depends on the kind of >>> application you want to make, your budget, where you deploy, etc. >>> >>> What do you mean by what "knowledges" I use? >>> >>> -Filip >>> >>> mark lu skrev: Alexander 's book based on 5.0.6. i think you must be an expert in tapestry! i want to build my web application,cound you give me some advices? what other knowledges do i need except for tapestry?do i need learn spring or hibernate? Alexander recommend db4o as a database,how about you advice? what knowledges do you use in you web applicaton? thanks!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: > Hi there, > > Welcome to the list. :) > > Alexander's book is based on Tapestry 5.0.7 or so, I believe. The > current beta version is 5.0.11 with 5.0.12 available as snapshots. > > As T5 was alpha when A
Re: t5's version?
As you say,there is no need to use spring,so i'll study hibernate next,am i right?:) BTW,i don't master maven,is't going to be a problem during my learning?is't very useful? i don't like the command line's tools! Adam Zimowski wrote: > > You can use pretty much any IDE to develop your web application, but > Howard (the creator) as well as most people on the list use Eclipse, > so if you need IDE-specific help, you're most likely to get it here > with Eclipse as your tool. > > For application server (aka servlet container), again, you can use > anything (Tomcat, Resin, Jetty, JBoss, WebSphere, etc), but one that > is heavily preferred here is Jetty, for its speed and simplicity. > Again, you'll eliminate tons of potential problems related to app > server setup if you choose Jetty at least for you local development. > For example, under Jetty Tapestry live class reloading works > flawlessly, but not so under Tomcat (due to Tomcat's internal design, > specifically it's classloader design). > > Other than those two, you're free to use any technology. Tapestry has > a great support for Hibernate, so if you choose that you'll be right > at home. I personally use iBatis, and have had no problems integrating > it with Tapestry. Spring is also very well supported, but really, not > needed since one of Spring's biggest advantages, it's IOC container, > has built-in functionality in Tapestry. What I mean is that Tapestry > has a fantastic IOC container itself, which pretty much eliminates the > need for Spring. If you need AOP, integrating AspectJ should work just > as well. I wrote few applications in Tapestry 5 where the only part of > Spring I used was spring-core, spring-dao and spring-jdbc, to take > advantage of Spring data access layer. Tapestry is very, very flexible > in regards what technology stack you want to use with it. > > If you're used to logging with Log4J this may be a bit of change to > you, as Tapestry uses simple logging facade rather than commons > logging. What this means, you won't be using Log4J directly in your > apps as you may have in the past, instead you'll be using Logger class > from http://www.slf4j.org/. It takes a while getting used to, because > at first I would find myself using Log4J in non-Tapestry classes > anyway (just a habit) rather than pulling in slf4j. > > Finally, Tapestry 5 is a world-class code! If you have a chance take a > look at it's sources. It reads like a poem, simply put, it's a > masterpiece. What I mean by that is that it follows all the best > practices, desgin patterns, and everything a programmer should be > doing. You can learn a great bit about system design by following > patterns used by Tapestry itself. > > It really helps to be very famliar with Inversion of Control, as > Tapestry implements it quite differently than what many newcommers are > used to. Using dependencies is very easy, as you found from the book, > just do @Inject, @InjectPage etc and bam! it's there. Setting up your > own (dao's, etc) is different though, as you build a "module" with > build methods or bindings, I'd recommend to get very familiar with > Tapestry IOC section on the website: > http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-ioc/. > > Other than that, I can only say Tapestry 5 is a pleasure to work with! > It's power is amazing, anything can be changed and configured, so if > you're ever thinking, jeez I don't like this or that default, what > now? Just send and e-mail to this list, and you'll see it most likely > can be changed the way you want it. > > Enjoy! > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, mark lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> sorry,i mean what technology do you use in you web application? >> such as tapestry ,spring ,hibernate,cvs,eclipse,etc. >> thank you for your help!! >> >> >> Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm hardly an expert. I just read the docs and keep an eye on the >>> commits and JIRA issues. :) >>> >>> All the advice I can give is that you read ALL the docs on T5 and go >>> from there. Learning Spring is not necessary with T5 IoC. Hibernate is a >>> very good framework to know, though - I use it extensively myself. >>> >>> I can't recommend a database for you, it depends on the kind of >>> application you want to make, your budget, where you deploy, etc. >>> >>> What do you mean by what "knowledges" I use? >>> >>> -Filip >>> >>> mark lu skrev: Alexander 's book based on 5.0.6. i think you must be an expert in tapestry! i want to build my web application,cound you give me some advices? what other knowledges do i need except for tapestry?do i need learn spring or hibernate? Alexander recommend db4o as a database,how about you advice? what knowledges do you use in you web applicaton? thanks!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: > Hi there, > > Welcome to the list. :) > > Alexander's book is based on Tapestry 5.0.7 or so, I believe. The > curren
Re: t5's version?
Thank you for your explanation with so much patience and other warmhearted
guys!
i think i am in the right place!
My enviornment is:eclipse3.3 ,jetty6.1.9,tapestry5.0.6.
At first,i use tomcat,but whenever i changed the code there will be a error
pop up--hot code replace error,so i have to restart the server.it's very
annoy!so,i change to jetty,it's very fast!
BTW,who know how to conquer the "hot code replace error" in tomcat?
I have goolge this error,say i have to use IBM'vm,have i?
when i study t5,i have encountered some problems.the first one is about ASO:
in the page class,i declare a variable:
@ApplicationState
private IDataSource dataSource;//IDataSource is a interface
in AppModule:
public void contributeApplicationStateManager(
MappedConfiguration configuration) {
ApplicationStateCreator creator = new
ApplicationStateCreator() {
public IDataSource create() {
return new MockDataSource();
}
};
configuration.add(IDataSource.class, new
ApplicationStateContribution(
"session", creator));
}
the error is:
Failure reading parameter source of component ShowAll:grid:
java.lang.InstantiationException: com.packtpub.celebrities.data.IDataSource
what's the problem?
Adam Zimowski wrote:
>
> You can use pretty much any IDE to develop your web application, but
> Howard (the creator) as well as most people on the list use Eclipse,
> so if you need IDE-specific help, you're most likely to get it here
> with Eclipse as your tool.
>
> For application server (aka servlet container), again, you can use
> anything (Tomcat, Resin, Jetty, JBoss, WebSphere, etc), but one that
> is heavily preferred here is Jetty, for its speed and simplicity.
> Again, you'll eliminate tons of potential problems related to app
> server setup if you choose Jetty at least for you local development.
> For example, under Jetty Tapestry live class reloading works
> flawlessly, but not so under Tomcat (due to Tomcat's internal design,
> specifically it's classloader design).
>
> Other than those two, you're free to use any technology. Tapestry has
> a great support for Hibernate, so if you choose that you'll be right
> at home. I personally use iBatis, and have had no problems integrating
> it with Tapestry. Spring is also very well supported, but really, not
> needed since one of Spring's biggest advantages, it's IOC container,
> has built-in functionality in Tapestry. What I mean is that Tapestry
> has a fantastic IOC container itself, which pretty much eliminates the
> need for Spring. If you need AOP, integrating AspectJ should work just
> as well. I wrote few applications in Tapestry 5 where the only part of
> Spring I used was spring-core, spring-dao and spring-jdbc, to take
> advantage of Spring data access layer. Tapestry is very, very flexible
> in regards what technology stack you want to use with it.
>
> If you're used to logging with Log4J this may be a bit of change to
> you, as Tapestry uses simple logging facade rather than commons
> logging. What this means, you won't be using Log4J directly in your
> apps as you may have in the past, instead you'll be using Logger class
> from http://www.slf4j.org/. It takes a while getting used to, because
> at first I would find myself using Log4J in non-Tapestry classes
> anyway (just a habit) rather than pulling in slf4j.
>
> Finally, Tapestry 5 is a world-class code! If you have a chance take a
> look at it's sources. It reads like a poem, simply put, it's a
> masterpiece. What I mean by that is that it follows all the best
> practices, desgin patterns, and everything a programmer should be
> doing. You can learn a great bit about system design by following
> patterns used by Tapestry itself.
>
> It really helps to be very famliar with Inversion of Control, as
> Tapestry implements it quite differently than what many newcommers are
> used to. Using dependencies is very easy, as you found from the book,
> just do @Inject, @InjectPage etc and bam! it's there. Setting up your
> own (dao's, etc) is different though, as you build a "module" with
> build methods or bindings, I'd recommend to get very familiar with
> Tapestry IOC section on the website:
> http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-ioc/.
>
> Other than that, I can only say Tapestry 5 is a pleasure to work with!
> It's power is amazing, anything can be changed and configured, so if
> you're ever thinking, jeez I don't like this or that default, what
> now? Just send and e-mail to this list, and you'll see it most likely
> can be changed the way you want it.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, mark lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> sorry,i mean what technology do you use in you web application?
>> such as tapestry ,spring ,hibernate,cvs,eclipse,etc.
>> thank you for your help!!
>>
>>
>> Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm h
Re: t5's version?
My projects are setup with Maven, stored in Subversion, edited in IntelliJ IDEA, run in Jetty for local testing, deployed to Tomcat 5.5 (for now, moving to Jetty soon) and use Hibernate with MySQL (although I'm migrating to PostgreSQL soon) for data access. -Filip mark lu skrev: sorry,i mean what technology do you use in you web application? such as tapestry ,spring ,hibernate,cvs,eclipse,etc. thank you for your help!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: Hi, I'm hardly an expert. I just read the docs and keep an eye on the commits and JIRA issues. :) All the advice I can give is that you read ALL the docs on T5 and go from there. Learning Spring is not necessary with T5 IoC. Hibernate is a very good framework to know, though - I use it extensively myself. I can't recommend a database for you, it depends on the kind of application you want to make, your budget, where you deploy, etc. What do you mean by what "knowledges" I use? -Filip mark lu skrev: Alexander 's book based on 5.0.6. i think you must be an expert in tapestry! i want to build my web application,cound you give me some advices? what other knowledges do i need except for tapestry?do i need learn spring or hibernate? Alexander recommend db4o as a database,how about you advice? what knowledges do you use in you web applicaton? thanks!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: Hi there, Welcome to the list. :) Alexander's book is based on Tapestry 5.0.7 or so, I believe. The current beta version is 5.0.11 with 5.0.12 available as snapshots. As T5 was alpha when Alexander wrote the book, there have been quite a few changes since then. You can see some of them at http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-core/upgrade.html. If there's anything else that doesn't work I'd advise you to check out the relevant docs at the website, and if that doesn't solve your problem, send a mail to this list. We'll probably be able to tell you what's going on. Regarding T5 applications, I've had one site running since December 2, 2007 and another site up since August, 2007. -Filip On 2008-05-20 17:27, mark lu wrote: i am new to tapestry. i just want to use t5 to build my application and i don't want to learn the inner technology of t5. so,what's the stable version of t5? i have read Alexander Kolesnikov's book--tapestry 5 build web application,and know something about t5. however,during my studying process,i encountered some problem even though i have followed the book. so,i think it's the framework's bug,maybe. so...who can help me? another question: whoever have built a application using t5 already? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t5's version?
What a great post! One correction, though. Howard and a lot of other people - myself included - use IntelliJ IDEA. :) -Filip Adam Zimowski skrev: You can use pretty much any IDE to develop your web application, but Howard (the creator) as well as most people on the list use Eclipse, so if you need IDE-specific help, you're most likely to get it here with Eclipse as your tool. For application server (aka servlet container), again, you can use anything (Tomcat, Resin, Jetty, JBoss, WebSphere, etc), but one that is heavily preferred here is Jetty, for its speed and simplicity. Again, you'll eliminate tons of potential problems related to app server setup if you choose Jetty at least for you local development. For example, under Jetty Tapestry live class reloading works flawlessly, but not so under Tomcat (due to Tomcat's internal design, specifically it's classloader design). Other than those two, you're free to use any technology. Tapestry has a great support for Hibernate, so if you choose that you'll be right at home. I personally use iBatis, and have had no problems integrating it with Tapestry. Spring is also very well supported, but really, not needed since one of Spring's biggest advantages, it's IOC container, has built-in functionality in Tapestry. What I mean is that Tapestry has a fantastic IOC container itself, which pretty much eliminates the need for Spring. If you need AOP, integrating AspectJ should work just as well. I wrote few applications in Tapestry 5 where the only part of Spring I used was spring-core, spring-dao and spring-jdbc, to take advantage of Spring data access layer. Tapestry is very, very flexible in regards what technology stack you want to use with it. If you're used to logging with Log4J this may be a bit of change to you, as Tapestry uses simple logging facade rather than commons logging. What this means, you won't be using Log4J directly in your apps as you may have in the past, instead you'll be using Logger class from http://www.slf4j.org/. It takes a while getting used to, because at first I would find myself using Log4J in non-Tapestry classes anyway (just a habit) rather than pulling in slf4j. Finally, Tapestry 5 is a world-class code! If you have a chance take a look at it's sources. It reads like a poem, simply put, it's a masterpiece. What I mean by that is that it follows all the best practices, desgin patterns, and everything a programmer should be doing. You can learn a great bit about system design by following patterns used by Tapestry itself. It really helps to be very famliar with Inversion of Control, as Tapestry implements it quite differently than what many newcommers are used to. Using dependencies is very easy, as you found from the book, just do @Inject, @InjectPage etc and bam! it's there. Setting up your own (dao's, etc) is different though, as you build a "module" with build methods or bindings, I'd recommend to get very familiar with Tapestry IOC section on the website: http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-ioc/. Other than that, I can only say Tapestry 5 is a pleasure to work with! It's power is amazing, anything can be changed and configured, so if you're ever thinking, jeez I don't like this or that default, what now? Just send and e-mail to this list, and you'll see it most likely can be changed the way you want it. Enjoy! On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, mark lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: sorry,i mean what technology do you use in you web application? such as tapestry ,spring ,hibernate,cvs,eclipse,etc. thank you for your help!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: Hi, I'm hardly an expert. I just read the docs and keep an eye on the commits and JIRA issues. :) All the advice I can give is that you read ALL the docs on T5 and go from there. Learning Spring is not necessary with T5 IoC. Hibernate is a very good framework to know, though - I use it extensively myself. I can't recommend a database for you, it depends on the kind of application you want to make, your budget, where you deploy, etc. What do you mean by what "knowledges" I use? -Filip mark lu skrev: Alexander 's book based on 5.0.6. i think you must be an expert in tapestry! i want to build my web application,cound you give me some advices? what other knowledges do i need except for tapestry?do i need learn spring or hibernate? Alexander recommend db4o as a database,how about you advice? what knowledges do you use in you web applicaton? thanks!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: Hi there, Welcome to the list. :) Alexander's book is based on Tapestry 5.0.7 or so, I believe. The current beta version is 5.0.11 with 5.0.12 available as snapshots. As T5 was alpha when Alexander wrote the book, there have been quite a few changes since then. You can see some of them at http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-core/upgrade.html. If there's anything else that doesn't work I'd advise you to check out the relevant docs at the website, and if that doesn't solve you
Re: t5's version?
You can use pretty much any IDE to develop your web application, but Howard (the creator) as well as most people on the list use Eclipse, so if you need IDE-specific help, you're most likely to get it here with Eclipse as your tool. For application server (aka servlet container), again, you can use anything (Tomcat, Resin, Jetty, JBoss, WebSphere, etc), but one that is heavily preferred here is Jetty, for its speed and simplicity. Again, you'll eliminate tons of potential problems related to app server setup if you choose Jetty at least for you local development. For example, under Jetty Tapestry live class reloading works flawlessly, but not so under Tomcat (due to Tomcat's internal design, specifically it's classloader design). Other than those two, you're free to use any technology. Tapestry has a great support for Hibernate, so if you choose that you'll be right at home. I personally use iBatis, and have had no problems integrating it with Tapestry. Spring is also very well supported, but really, not needed since one of Spring's biggest advantages, it's IOC container, has built-in functionality in Tapestry. What I mean is that Tapestry has a fantastic IOC container itself, which pretty much eliminates the need for Spring. If you need AOP, integrating AspectJ should work just as well. I wrote few applications in Tapestry 5 where the only part of Spring I used was spring-core, spring-dao and spring-jdbc, to take advantage of Spring data access layer. Tapestry is very, very flexible in regards what technology stack you want to use with it. If you're used to logging with Log4J this may be a bit of change to you, as Tapestry uses simple logging facade rather than commons logging. What this means, you won't be using Log4J directly in your apps as you may have in the past, instead you'll be using Logger class from http://www.slf4j.org/. It takes a while getting used to, because at first I would find myself using Log4J in non-Tapestry classes anyway (just a habit) rather than pulling in slf4j. Finally, Tapestry 5 is a world-class code! If you have a chance take a look at it's sources. It reads like a poem, simply put, it's a masterpiece. What I mean by that is that it follows all the best practices, desgin patterns, and everything a programmer should be doing. You can learn a great bit about system design by following patterns used by Tapestry itself. It really helps to be very famliar with Inversion of Control, as Tapestry implements it quite differently than what many newcommers are used to. Using dependencies is very easy, as you found from the book, just do @Inject, @InjectPage etc and bam! it's there. Setting up your own (dao's, etc) is different though, as you build a "module" with build methods or bindings, I'd recommend to get very familiar with Tapestry IOC section on the website: http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-ioc/. Other than that, I can only say Tapestry 5 is a pleasure to work with! It's power is amazing, anything can be changed and configured, so if you're ever thinking, jeez I don't like this or that default, what now? Just send and e-mail to this list, and you'll see it most likely can be changed the way you want it. Enjoy! On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, mark lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > sorry,i mean what technology do you use in you web application? > such as tapestry ,spring ,hibernate,cvs,eclipse,etc. > thank you for your help!! > > > Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm hardly an expert. I just read the docs and keep an eye on the >> commits and JIRA issues. :) >> >> All the advice I can give is that you read ALL the docs on T5 and go >> from there. Learning Spring is not necessary with T5 IoC. Hibernate is a >> very good framework to know, though - I use it extensively myself. >> >> I can't recommend a database for you, it depends on the kind of >> application you want to make, your budget, where you deploy, etc. >> >> What do you mean by what "knowledges" I use? >> >> -Filip >> >> mark lu skrev: >>> Alexander 's book based on 5.0.6. >>> i think you must be an expert in tapestry! >>> i want to build my web application,cound you give me some advices? >>> what other knowledges do i need except for tapestry?do i need learn >>> spring >>> or hibernate? >>> Alexander recommend db4o as a database,how about you advice? >>> what knowledges do you use in you web applicaton? >>> thanks!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: Hi there, Welcome to the list. :) Alexander's book is based on Tapestry 5.0.7 or so, I believe. The current beta version is 5.0.11 with 5.0.12 available as snapshots. As T5 was alpha when Alexander wrote the book, there have been quite a few changes since then. You can see some of them at http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-core/upgrade.html. If there's anything else that doesn't work I'd advise you to check out the relevant docs at the website, and if that does
Re: t5's version?
sorry,i mean what technology do you use in you web application? such as tapestry ,spring ,hibernate,cvs,eclipse,etc. thank you for your help!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm hardly an expert. I just read the docs and keep an eye on the > commits and JIRA issues. :) > > All the advice I can give is that you read ALL the docs on T5 and go > from there. Learning Spring is not necessary with T5 IoC. Hibernate is a > very good framework to know, though - I use it extensively myself. > > I can't recommend a database for you, it depends on the kind of > application you want to make, your budget, where you deploy, etc. > > What do you mean by what "knowledges" I use? > > -Filip > > mark lu skrev: >> Alexander 's book based on 5.0.6. >> i think you must be an expert in tapestry! >> i want to build my web application,cound you give me some advices? >> what other knowledges do i need except for tapestry?do i need learn >> spring >> or hibernate? >> Alexander recommend db4o as a database,how about you advice? >> what knowledges do you use in you web applicaton? >> thanks!! >> >> >> >> Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> >>> Welcome to the list. :) >>> >>> Alexander's book is based on Tapestry 5.0.7 or so, I believe. The >>> current beta version is 5.0.11 with 5.0.12 available as snapshots. >>> >>> As T5 was alpha when Alexander wrote the book, there have been quite a >>> few changes since then. You can see some of them at >>> http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-core/upgrade.html. >>> >>> If there's anything else that doesn't work I'd advise you to check out >>> the relevant docs at the website, and if that doesn't solve your >>> problem, send a mail to this list. We'll probably be able to tell you >>> what's going on. >>> >>> Regarding T5 applications, I've had one site running since December 2, >>> 2007 and another site up since August, 2007. >>> >>> -Filip >>> >>> On 2008-05-20 17:27, mark lu wrote: i am new to tapestry. i just want to use t5 to build my application and i don't want to learn the inner technology of t5. so,what's the stable version of t5? i have read Alexander Kolesnikov's book--tapestry 5 build web application,and know something about t5. however,during my studying process,i encountered some problem even though i have followed the book. so,i think it's the framework's bug,maybe. so...who can help me? another question: whoever have built a application using t5 already? >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/t5%27s-version--tp17343189p17358619.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t5's version?
Hi, I'm hardly an expert. I just read the docs and keep an eye on the commits and JIRA issues. :) All the advice I can give is that you read ALL the docs on T5 and go from there. Learning Spring is not necessary with T5 IoC. Hibernate is a very good framework to know, though - I use it extensively myself. I can't recommend a database for you, it depends on the kind of application you want to make, your budget, where you deploy, etc. What do you mean by what "knowledges" I use? -Filip mark lu skrev: Alexander 's book based on 5.0.6. i think you must be an expert in tapestry! i want to build my web application,cound you give me some advices? what other knowledges do i need except for tapestry?do i need learn spring or hibernate? Alexander recommend db4o as a database,how about you advice? what knowledges do you use in you web applicaton? thanks!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: Hi there, Welcome to the list. :) Alexander's book is based on Tapestry 5.0.7 or so, I believe. The current beta version is 5.0.11 with 5.0.12 available as snapshots. As T5 was alpha when Alexander wrote the book, there have been quite a few changes since then. You can see some of them at http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-core/upgrade.html. If there's anything else that doesn't work I'd advise you to check out the relevant docs at the website, and if that doesn't solve your problem, send a mail to this list. We'll probably be able to tell you what's going on. Regarding T5 applications, I've had one site running since December 2, 2007 and another site up since August, 2007. -Filip On 2008-05-20 17:27, mark lu wrote: i am new to tapestry. i just want to use t5 to build my application and i don't want to learn the inner technology of t5. so,what's the stable version of t5? i have read Alexander Kolesnikov's book--tapestry 5 build web application,and know something about t5. however,during my studying process,i encountered some problem even though i have followed the book. so,i think it's the framework's bug,maybe. so...who can help me? another question: whoever have built a application using t5 already? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t5's version?
Alexander 's book based on 5.0.6. i think you must be an expert in tapestry! i want to build my web application,cound you give me some advices? what other knowledges do i need except for tapestry?do i need learn spring or hibernate? Alexander recommend db4o as a database,how about you advice? what knowledges do you use in you web applicaton? thanks!! Filip S. Adamsen-2 wrote: > > Hi there, > > Welcome to the list. :) > > Alexander's book is based on Tapestry 5.0.7 or so, I believe. The > current beta version is 5.0.11 with 5.0.12 available as snapshots. > > As T5 was alpha when Alexander wrote the book, there have been quite a > few changes since then. You can see some of them at > http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-core/upgrade.html. > > If there's anything else that doesn't work I'd advise you to check out > the relevant docs at the website, and if that doesn't solve your > problem, send a mail to this list. We'll probably be able to tell you > what's going on. > > Regarding T5 applications, I've had one site running since December 2, > 2007 and another site up since August, 2007. > > -Filip > > On 2008-05-20 17:27, mark lu wrote: >> i am new to tapestry. >> i just want to use t5 to build my application and i don't want to learn >> the >> inner technology of t5. >> so,what's the stable version of t5? >> i have read Alexander Kolesnikov's book--tapestry 5 build web >> application,and know something about t5. >> however,during my studying process,i encountered some problem even though >> i >> have followed the book. >> so,i think it's the framework's bug,maybe. >> so...who can help me? >> >> another question: >> whoever have built a application using t5 already? > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/t5%27s-version--tp17343189p17354892.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t5's version?
Hi there, Welcome to the list. :) Alexander's book is based on Tapestry 5.0.7 or so, I believe. The current beta version is 5.0.11 with 5.0.12 available as snapshots. As T5 was alpha when Alexander wrote the book, there have been quite a few changes since then. You can see some of them at http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-core/upgrade.html. If there's anything else that doesn't work I'd advise you to check out the relevant docs at the website, and if that doesn't solve your problem, send a mail to this list. We'll probably be able to tell you what's going on. Regarding T5 applications, I've had one site running since December 2, 2007 and another site up since August, 2007. -Filip On 2008-05-20 17:27, mark lu wrote: i am new to tapestry. i just want to use t5 to build my application and i don't want to learn the inner technology of t5. so,what's the stable version of t5? i have read Alexander Kolesnikov's book--tapestry 5 build web application,and know something about t5. however,during my studying process,i encountered some problem even though i have followed the book. so,i think it's the framework's bug,maybe. so...who can help me? another question: whoever have built a application using t5 already? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t5's version?
i am new to tapestry. i just want to use t5 to build my application and i don't want to learn the inner technology of t5. so,what's the stable version of t5? i have read Alexander Kolesnikov's book--tapestry 5 build web application,and know something about t5. however,during my studying process,i encountered some problem even though i have followed the book. so,i think it's the framework's bug,maybe. so...who can help me? another question: whoever have built a application using t5 already? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/t5%27s-version--tp17343189p17343189.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
