Re: OT: Fedora Core 8 viability (was Re: Problem in starting tomcat)

2008-06-11 Thread Steve Ochani
Date sent:  Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:51:03 -0400
From:   Christopher Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:        Re: OT: Fedora Core 8 viability (was Re: Problem in 
starting tomcat)
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> Steve,
> 
> Steve Ochani wrote:
> | On 10 Jun 2008 at 17:20, Christopher Schultz wrote:
> |> What leads you to that conclusion [that Fedora Core is
> inappropriate for production use]? | | 1. When Fedora project was
> started I remember reading that it was almost like a testbed for |
> testing new apps/open source projects to be put into Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux.
> 
> It should be the same as RH's enterprise Linux, except that it doesn't
> have all the Enterprise-y tools and stuff.
> 

It's not really. Fedora is bleeding edge programs/packages, that's why it's 
considered a 
"testbed" type platform for the Enterprise distro.

> | 2. 6 month support cycle isn't exactly something that is long
> lasting/reliable for production
> | systems. (IMO 3 years is a min.)
> 
> Fair enough. I never bother with support, anyway, for a Linux system.

I haven't either unless you consider forums but by "support" I meant security 
patches and 
updates. 

> They run very well, and we keep up-to-date. If you update your
> packages (still uring RPM, right?) regularly, the 6-month window
> slides with you, doesn't it?
> 

I'm not sure what you mean by "slides with you" but a 6 month support (as in 
security 
updates/patches) cycle isn't what I recommend for production systems.


> | 3. The past history of "stable"ness of some versions, such as
> version 7.
> 
> Heh. I have no direct experience. I dumped Red Hat after RHL went from
> 6-9 in like 2 years. I was sick and tired of their package manager.
> Then I discovered Gentoo, which I prefer, and Debian, which is
> supported by our co-lo provider, though I don't like apt very much. At
> least it installs dependencies for you ;) I haven't looked back.

I became used to rpm fairly quickly after changing from slackware and now yum 
on CentOS.


> 
> | If someone is looking for a Red Hat type linux distro that is
> stable, long support time/cycle | then they should consider CentOS.
> 
> Noted.
> 
> - -chris



-Steve O.



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Re: OT: Fedora Core 8 viability (was Re: Problem in starting tomcat)

2008-06-11 Thread Christopher Schultz

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Steve,

Steve Ochani wrote:
| On 10 Jun 2008 at 17:20, Christopher Schultz wrote:
|> What leads you to that conclusion [that Fedora Core is inappropriate
for production use]?
|
| 1. When Fedora project was started I remember reading that it was
almost like a testbed for
| testing new apps/open source projects to be put into Red Hat
Enterprise Linux.

It should be the same as RH's enterprise Linux, except that it doesn't
have all the Enterprise-y tools and stuff.

| 2. 6 month support cycle isn't exactly something that is long
lasting/reliable for production
| systems. (IMO 3 years is a min.)

Fair enough. I never bother with support, anyway, for a Linux system.
They run very well, and we keep up-to-date. If you update your packages
(still uring RPM, right?) regularly, the 6-month window slides with you,
doesn't it?

| 3. The past history of "stable"ness of some versions, such as version 7.

Heh. I have no direct experience. I dumped Red Hat after RHL went from
6-9 in like 2 years. I was sick and tired of their package manager. Then
I discovered Gentoo, which I prefer, and Debian, which is supported by
our co-lo provider, though I don't like apt very much. At least it
installs dependencies for you ;) I haven't looked back.

| If someone is looking for a Red Hat type linux distro that is stable,
long support time/cycle
| then they should consider CentOS.

Noted.

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Re: OT: Fedora Core 8 viability (was Re: Problem in starting tomcat)

2008-06-10 Thread Steve Ochani
On 10 Jun 2008 at 17:20, Christopher Schultz wrote:

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> Steve,
> 
> Steve Ochani wrote:
> | Off topic remark. I hope you don't use [Fedora Core 8] on
> production
> machines. Fedora is not
> | designed for that.
> 
> What leads you to that conclusion?

1. When Fedora project was started I remember reading that it was almost like a 
testbed for 
testing new apps/open source projects to be put into Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

2. 6 month support cycle isn't exactly something that is long lasting/reliable 
for production 
systems. (IMO 3 years is a min.)

3. The past history of "stable"ness of some versions, such as version 7.



If someone is looking for a Red Hat type linux distro that is stable, long 
support time/cycle 
then they should consider CentOS.



-Steve O.




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