Re: Run several applications on different ports, isolated from each other

2008-06-13 Thread Yves Glodt
Hello Christopher and List,

thank you very much for your detailed description!
I am currently evaluating all the possibilities to run my 2 applications side-
by-side.

Another idea I came up with is:

Use only one instance of Tomcat, but create 2 connectors, which each hold one 
host, and these hosts have different appBase-folders. Then my apps would been 
isolated, and I would connect to them via mod_proxy on their respective ports.

Does this sound good?

Regards,
Yves


p.s. This way I would not need to touch the config from the debian packages 
(which I really would like to avoid)




On Tuesday 10 June 2008, Christopher Schultz wrote:
 Yves,

 Yves Glodt wrote:
 | I need to run now another application on tomcat, and what I think to

 do is to

 | have another instance of tomcat running on another port, isolated

 from my

 | OpenCms, with a different webapps folder as well.

 Yep, you need another instance of Tomcat. Conceptually, it's very simple:

 1. Create a new directory which will hold your new instance. This
 ~   is called CATALINA_BASE, and you'll need to set this environment
 ~   variable accordingly.

 ~   This directory should contain the following directories:

 ~   conf/
 ~   logs/  (optional, if you have no logging going here)
 ~   temp/  (optional, as TC should create this)
 ~   webapps/   (optional, if you have no auto-deployed webapps)
 ~   work/  (optional, as TC should create this)

 ~   The conf directory needs server.xml and web.xml. Make sure
 ~   that your Connectors in server.xml have unique port numbers
 ~   (i.e. default HTTP port is 8080, so check that, and the default
 ~   AJP port is 8009, so check that, too... these must be unique
 ~   across all TC instances).

 ~   Stick your webapps in 'webapps', obviously, unless you are
 ~   going to be declaring separate XML deployment descriptors
 ~   (ignore this if you have no idea what I'm talking about).

 2. Run CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh with the correct CATALINA_BASE
 ~   environment variable set. Note that CATALINA_HOME points to
 ~   the /actual/ TC install -- where the bin directory is -- and
 ~   CATALINA_BASE points to your instance as defined above.

 | tomcat-instance 1: port 8001 webapps-folder: /var/lib/tomcat5.5/webapps
 | tomcat-instance 2: port 8002 webapps-folder: /home/tomcat/webapps

 No problem:

 $ export CATALINA_BASE=/home/tomcat
 $ /var/lib/tomcat5.5/bin/startup.sh

 Just make sure that /home/tomcat is set up as indicated above.

 | Also, I would prefer not to touch the debian startup scripts, nor

 modify any

 | other distributed files. All config should be done in the tomcat

 config-files.

 That's going to be a problem, because I'm sure those scripts assume only
 a single instance of TC in the default location. If you want to start
 up multiple TC instances, you'll have to either:

 1. Copy /etc/init.d/tomcat.sh (or whatever) to /etc/init.d/tomcat2.sh
 ~   and modify it accordingly (like setting CATALINA_BASE)

 2. Write a different /etc/init.d/tomcat.sh script that somehow
 ~   identifies all TC instances and starts them separately

 | Can someone explain how to achieve this configuration, or maybe provide
 | example-files?

 The documentation is available in the RUNNING.txt file that should be
 packaged with Tomcat. If you can't find that file, as the Debian folks
 why they removed it.

 -chris

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Re: Run several applications on different ports, isolated from each other

2008-06-13 Thread Ben Stringer
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 14:35 +0200, Yves Glodt wrote:
 Hello Christopher and List,
 
 thank you very much for your detailed description!
 I am currently evaluating all the possibilities to run my 2 applications side-
 by-side.
 
 Another idea I came up with is:
 
 Use only one instance of Tomcat, but create 2 connectors, which each hold one 
 host, and these hosts have different appBase-folders. Then my apps would been 
 isolated, and I would connect to them via mod_proxy on their respective ports.

Hi Yves,

I tried both methods, and preferred running two tomcat instances. It
does require modifications to the packaging (I did this under RedHat),
but gives the most flexibility. The decider for me was the ability to
run each tomcat instance as a different user id, and to be able to
completely stop and restart each tomcat without affecting the other.

Cheers, Ben



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Re: Run several applications on different ports, isolated from each other

2008-06-13 Thread Christopher Schultz

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Yves,

| Another idea I came up with is:
|
| Use only one instance of Tomcat, but create 2 connectors, which each
hold one
| host, and these hosts have different appBase-folders. Then my apps
would been
| isolated, and I would connect to them via mod_proxy on their
respective ports.

You can certainly use this, but it depends on your notion of isolation
of your webapps. Commonly-loaded classes can still communicate between
applications even if they are in different Hosts in Tomcat.

If that's okay, then you can certainly run them in the same Tomcat instance.

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Re: Run several applications on different ports, isolated from each other

2008-06-13 Thread David kerber

Ben Stringer wrote:

On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 14:35 +0200, Yves Glodt wrote:
  

Hello Christopher and List,

thank you very much for your detailed description!
I am currently evaluating all the possibilities to run my 2 applications side-
by-side.

Another idea I came up with is:

Use only one instance of Tomcat, but create 2 connectors, which each hold one 
host, and these hosts have different appBase-folders. Then my apps would been 
isolated, and I would connect to them via mod_proxy on their respective ports.



Hi Yves,

I tried both methods, and preferred running two tomcat instances. It
does require modifications to the packaging (I did this under RedHat),
but gives the most flexibility. The decider for me was the ability to
run each tomcat instance as a different user id, and to be able to
completely stop and restart each tomcat without affecting the other.
  
That last reason is why I use separate tomcat instances:  my different 
apps have very different usage profiles; one app's busy time is the 
other one's dead time, so I can do maintenance on each of them without 
affecting the other one.


D



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Re: Run several applications on different ports, isolated from each other

2008-06-10 Thread Christopher Schultz

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Yves,

Yves Glodt wrote:
| I need to run now another application on tomcat, and what I think to
do is to
| have another instance of tomcat running on another port, isolated
from my
| OpenCms, with a different webapps folder as well.

Yep, you need another instance of Tomcat. Conceptually, it's very simple:

1. Create a new directory which will hold your new instance. This
~   is called CATALINA_BASE, and you'll need to set this environment
~   variable accordingly.

~   This directory should contain the following directories:

~   conf/
~   logs/  (optional, if you have no logging going here)
~   temp/  (optional, as TC should create this)
~   webapps/   (optional, if you have no auto-deployed webapps)
~   work/  (optional, as TC should create this)

~   The conf directory needs server.xml and web.xml. Make sure
~   that your Connectors in server.xml have unique port numbers
~   (i.e. default HTTP port is 8080, so check that, and the default
~   AJP port is 8009, so check that, too... these must be unique
~   across all TC instances).

~   Stick your webapps in 'webapps', obviously, unless you are
~   going to be declaring separate XML deployment descriptors
~   (ignore this if you have no idea what I'm talking about).

2. Run CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh with the correct CATALINA_BASE
~   environment variable set. Note that CATALINA_HOME points to
~   the /actual/ TC install -- where the bin directory is -- and
~   CATALINA_BASE points to your instance as defined above.

| tomcat-instance 1: port 8001 webapps-folder: /var/lib/tomcat5.5/webapps
| tomcat-instance 2: port 8002 webapps-folder: /home/tomcat/webapps

No problem:

$ export CATALINA_BASE=/home/tomcat
$ /var/lib/tomcat5.5/bin/startup.sh

Just make sure that /home/tomcat is set up as indicated above.

| Also, I would prefer not to touch the debian startup scripts, nor
modify any
| other distributed files. All config should be done in the tomcat
config-files.

That's going to be a problem, because I'm sure those scripts assume only
a single instance of TC in the default location. If you want to start
up multiple TC instances, you'll have to either:

1. Copy /etc/init.d/tomcat.sh (or whatever) to /etc/init.d/tomcat2.sh
~   and modify it accordingly (like setting CATALINA_BASE)

2. Write a different /etc/init.d/tomcat.sh script that somehow
~   identifies all TC instances and starts them separately


| Can someone explain how to achieve this configuration, or maybe provide
| example-files?

The documentation is available in the RUNNING.txt file that should be
packaged with Tomcat. If you can't find that file, as the Debian folks
why they removed it.

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