[USMA:54218] chicken coolers
A guy who runs a chicken processing plant asked me to write a program that runs on a microcontroller and monitors the temperature in the refrigerators where they store chicken. The data will be sent to another computer to record the temperature and to alert someone if something goes wrong. I showed him a Propeller board with a thermometer on it, displaying the time since startup and the temperature. He and I independently chose the DS1820, so I plugged his thermometer into my board and it just worked. This device measures Celsius temperature to the nearest 0.0625 °C. He sent me this link, which is the regulations of temperature in poultry: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2014-title9-vol2/xml/CFR-2014-title9-vol2-sec381-66.xml . Whom do I write to to get these regulations metricated? Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko
[USMA:54219] Re: chicken coolers
Pierre, I would write to the head of the department that maintains that regulation, with copy to Ken Butcher and Elizabeth Gentry at NIST. In that I would put the request that they metricate that regulation per EO 12770 and the Metric Act, as amended in 1988. Point out that those two copy-to NIST addressees can assist them with metricating that regulation. What you have done takes me back to 1969 when I was a chemistry graduate student at Purdue. You programmed a chip. A colleague of mine designed and built a TTL board with an embedded buffer and I wrote the companion software (assembly language for I/O and BASIC for data handling) to run on an HP 2116A. That TTL board collected real time photocell readouts from a stopped-flow spectrophotometer at 1 ms intervals and stored them in that latch-and-snatch buffer, which my software read out and stored for later analysis (also done on that same computer, but as a separate step). We got a paper in _Analytical Chemistry_ from that and the work we did with our system. Your product (the programmed chip) probably has a mass of a few grams. Ours, counting the computer* and its caster-wheeled cart, amounted to over 300 kg. That's progress. But, oh, the memories. Thanks! Jim * HP 2116A with a TType teletype for a console amd punched paper tape input and output; but no monitor, no hard drive, and no peripheral magnetic media. -- James R. Frysinger 632 Stoney Point Mountain Road Doyle TN 38559-3030 (C) 931.212.0267 (H) 931.657.3107 (F) 931.657.3108 On 2014-07-27 13:49, Pierre Abbat wrote: A guy who runs a chicken processing plant asked me to write a program that runs on a microcontroller and monitors the temperature in the refrigerators where they store chicken. The data will be sent to another computer to record the temperature and to alert someone if something goes wrong. I showed him a Propeller board with a thermometer on it, displaying the time since startup and the temperature. He and I independently chose the DS1820, so I plugged his thermometer into my board and it just worked. This device measures Celsius temperature to the nearest 0.0625 °C. He sent me this link, which is the regulations of temperature in poultry: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2014-title9-vol2/xml/CFR-2014-title9-vol2-sec381-66.xml . Whom do I write to to get these regulations metricated? Pierre
[USMA:54220] FW: chicken coolers
I found it here: http://books.google.com/books?id=RS85IAAJ&pg=PA444&lpg=PA444&dq=Section+ 381.66+-+Temperatures+and+chilling+and+freezing+procedures.&source=bl&ots=u9 uMRlLs7a&sig=mFzH6G8b0jDAljx6EQ2WV2jaU4Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=r2LVU6KvMYTcoATSn4DQD g&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Section%20381.66%20-%20Temperatures%20and%20ch illing%20and%20freezing%20procedures.&f=false Basically it is congress. John Altounji One size does not fit all. Social promotion ruined Education. -Original Message- From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of Pierre Abbat Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:50 AM To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:54218] chicken coolers A guy who runs a chicken processing plant asked me to write a program that runs on a microcontroller and monitors the temperature in the refrigerators where they store chicken. The data will be sent to another computer to record the temperature and to alert someone if something goes wrong. I showed him a Propeller board with a thermometer on it, displaying the time since startup and the temperature. He and I independently chose the DS1820, so I plugged his thermometer into my board and it just worked. This device measures Celsius temperature to the nearest 0.0625 °C. He sent me this link, which is the regulations of temperature in poultry: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2014-title9-vol2/xml/CFR-2014-title9-vol2-s ec381-66.xml . Whom do I write to to get these regulations metricated? Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko
[USMA:54221] Re: FW: chicken coolers
On Sunday, July 27, 2014 14:26:39 James wrote: > Pierre, > > I would write to the head of the department that maintains that > regulation, with copy to Ken Butcher and Elizabeth Gentry at NIST. In > that I would put the request that they metricate that regulation per EO > 12770 and the Metric Act, as amended in 1988. Point out that those two > copy-to NIST addressees can assist them with metricating that regulation. On Sunday, July 27, 2014 13:46:56 John Altounji wrote: > Basically it is congress. So it's a department of Congress? Which one? Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.
[USMA:54223] Re: FW: chicken coolers
No. It I'd Federal regulation not a law. It is a USDA regulation. The stuff at the very top gives dept. However, you may have to search more of Title 9 for org chart, contact, etc On Jul 27, 2014 8:31 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Sunday, July 27, 2014 14:26:39 James wrote: > > Pierre, > > > > I would write to the head of the department that maintains that > > regulation, with copy to Ken Butcher and Elizabeth Gentry at NIST. In > > that I would put the request that they metricate that regulation per EO > > 12770 and the Metric Act, as amended in 1988. Point out that those two > > copy-to NIST addressees can assist them with metricating that regulation. > > On Sunday, July 27, 2014 13:46:56 John Altounji wrote: > > Basically it is congress. > > So it's a department of Congress? Which one? > > Pierre > -- > I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. >
[USMA:54222] Re: FW: chicken coolers
Look at the first few lines of your linked article. There you will see "FOOD SAFETY AND INSPECTION SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE". I would take that as a clue that they have a lot to do with this subject. You might start with their home page and see how closely you can pin down the responsible office. See http://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsis/home Oftentimes Congress will enact legislation and then an agency will promulgate regulations to implement the elements of that enacted law. It helps to know citation format. ** What you cited comes from 9 CFR (2014). That's Title 9 (2014 annual edition) "Animals and Animal Products". ** Under that is Chapter III "Food Safety and Inspection Service, Department of Agriculture (parts 300 - 500)". That is your clue that you want to deal with an FSIS office. ** Incidentally, that is in Subchapter A "Agency and Organization, Terminology, Mandatory Meat and Poultry Products and Voluntary (Parts 300 - 381)". So, the first part of Subchapter A could help narrow things down to a particular office or perhaps not. See http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2014-title9-vol2/pdf/CFR-2014-title9-vol2-chapIII-subchapA.pdf ** Opening up Subchapter A indicates that Part 381 "Poultry Products Inspection Regulations" breaks down further into Subparts! See http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collectionCfr.action?collectionCode=CFR&searchPath=Title+9%2FChapter+III%2FSubchapter+A%2FPart+381&oldPath=Title+9%2FChapter+III%2FSubchapter+A&isCollapsed=true&selectedYearFrom=2014&ycord=1359 ** Subpart I is "Operating Procedures". You might browse that to see what else they might impose on you. You cited Part 381, Section 381.66, so I suggest that you start with the Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) of the US Department of Agriculture with mention of that particular Section. I provided the link to FSIS in my first paragraph. If nothing else, try their "Ask Karen" feature to ask to whom you should speak or write. Note also on that page a link to "Small and Very Small Plants", which might be helpful to you. (They mean processing plants, not edible plants.) Pierre, I hope this helps and I hope that my short tutorial on the CFR was helpful, too. Jim -- James R. Frysinger 632 Stoney Point Mountain Road Doyle TN 38559-3030 (C) 931.212.0267 (H) 931.657.3107 (F) 931.657.3108 On 2014-07-27 19:31, Pierre Abbat wrote: On Sunday, July 27, 2014 14:26:39 James wrote: Pierre, I would write to the head of the department that maintains that regulation, with copy to Ken Butcher and Elizabeth Gentry at NIST. In that I would put the request that they metricate that regulation per EO 12770 and the Metric Act, as amended in 1988. Point out that those two copy-to NIST addressees can assist them with metricating that regulation. On Sunday, July 27, 2014 13:46:56 John Altounji wrote: Basically it is congress. So it's a department of Congress? Which one? Pierre
[USMA:54225] More metric humor.
This is from a very funny British TV series called "Peep Show." The conversation takes place between the two main characters, Mark (the smart one) and Jeremy (much less smart). There is some profanity, so watch your ears. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCwqtjIVUf8 Yes, those are degrees Celsius they're talking about. What's interesting is the fact that the use of Celsius is very casual, and both the intelligent and the dense characters completely understand the scale.
[USMA:54224] Metric system and the VA hospitals ( and what people on this list should do about it).
With the recent outcry over the mess at the VA hospitals along with a push for reform, I was reminded of the several times I rotated through our local VA hospital. Overall I had a very positive impression, the staff was great, and the operating rooms were a pleasure to work at as far as anesthesiology went. The problem is that the VA Health System is completely ignoring the executive order 12770. Patients are still weighed by the pound, and the temperatures (except for OR temperatures which are recorded in Celsius by anesthesiologists) are sill in Fahrenheit. Yes, there is an EMR in which kilograms are kindly displayed, but they are in parentheses and with decimal dust. Maybe something can be done about it, but it would require us to communicate with people sponsoring a reform bill: Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Jeff Miller. Below is an article detailing the latest goings on: http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/27/politics/va-deal/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
