Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: > On 24.02.2010 02:06, VDR User wrote: >> ... >> - VDR reporting incorrect runtime in h264 recordings. Klaus has >> worked on this and it's _much_ better now. If the runtime is >> incorrect, it's usually only off by up to +10 minutes or so, not >> several hours as it used to be. > > Do you have a recording created with VDR 1.7.12 where it reports the wrong > runtime? > Can you provide a few minutes of such a recording? Yup, will prepare a sample. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On 24.02.2010 02:06, VDR User wrote: > ... > - VDR reporting incorrect runtime in h264 recordings. Klaus has > worked on this and it's _much_ better now. If the runtime is > incorrect, it's usually only off by up to +10 minutes or so, not > several hours as it used to be. Do you have a recording created with VDR 1.7.12 where it reports the wrong runtime? Can you provide a few minutes of such a recording? Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On 25 February 2010 18:44, Lucian Muresan wrote: > On 25.02.2010 16:27, Adrian C. wrote: >> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Theunis Potgieter wrote: >> >>> However I have seen where the media player option within VDR is not >>> needed if you running something like XBMC as another front-end. I >>> might be looking into enna http://enna.geexbox.org/ soon, which is >>> similar concept as XBMC and uses xine-lib (neither vdr-xine or >>> vdr-xineliboutput). Will see where that leads :) > > Enna uses vdr-xine (through Geexbox' libplayer when compiled with xine > support) and libsvdrp (also a geexbox library specially written for > interacting with VDR). For those happening to use Gentoo, installing > everything is now a snap, I uploaded Enna-related ebuilds, see > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-816990.html > > Cheers, > Lucian Great, so it appears I might be switching over to vdr-xine afterall. > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On 25.02.2010 16:27, Adrian C. wrote: > On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Theunis Potgieter wrote: > >> However I have seen where the media player option within VDR is not >> needed if you running something like XBMC as another front-end. I >> might be looking into enna http://enna.geexbox.org/ soon, which is >> similar concept as XBMC and uses xine-lib (neither vdr-xine or >> vdr-xineliboutput). Will see where that leads :) Enna uses vdr-xine (through Geexbox' libplayer when compiled with xine support) and libsvdrp (also a geexbox library specially written for interacting with VDR). For those happening to use Gentoo, installing everything is now a snap, I uploaded Enna-related ebuilds, see http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-816990.html Cheers, Lucian ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Theunis Potgieter wrote: > However I have seen where the media player option within VDR is not > needed if you running something like XBMC as another front-end. I > might be looking into enna http://enna.geexbox.org/ soon, which is > similar concept as XBMC and uses xine-lib (neither vdr-xine or > vdr-xineliboutput). Will see where that leads :) Hi, this has been my favorite solution for a long time. Makes playing any media a true joy, but still stays very simple as opposed to various "media centers" that depend on SQL and whatnot. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/VDR#Integrating_Oxine_into_VDR -- Adrian C. (anrxc) | anrxc..sysphere.org | PGP ID: D20A0618 PGP FP: 02A5 628A D8EE 2A93 996E 929F D5CB 31B7 D20A 0618 ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Luca Olivetti wrote: >> It will not be replaced before the HDTV VDR is mature. The biggest >> problem is that my eyes do not like the picture quality of current LCDs. > > Try to look at plasma then, or, if you're really patient, wait for oled. One of my tv's is a plasma and the picture is amazing. LCD's have never been that good, and never will be. OLED is truely awesome but don't expect to get that for a reasonable price until they have milked all the money possible from older technologies. Same thing that happens as always, most recent example is Bluray. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
En/na Oliver Endriss ha escrit: It will not be replaced before the HDTV VDR is mature. The biggest problem is that my eyes do not like the picture quality of current LCDs. Try to look at plasma then, or, if you're really patient, wait for oled. Bye -- Luca ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On 24 February 2010 09:47, Halim Sahin wrote: > > Hi, > I am using the cvs version already. > You are right, the cuttingmark problem has been fixed. > But sometimes i see the broken behaviour when using the pc keyboard for > cutting and mooving marks quickly. > The other mentioned things are problems of the current cvs. > > BR. > Halim I too am running Sunday's snapshot of xineliboutput and some of the problems did disappear, but not all of it and even new ones cropped up. I'm just glad that the author is indeed looking at it. That is always a good sign :) And to get on the xine vs xineliboutput bandwagon. xine does not provide a media player menu where I can play external files like mp3/avi/wmv/mkv/blu-ray/dvd/cd (from within VDR) using the IR remote and without having to touch ssh/remote/keyboard etc. Well That was about 2 years ago, so if xine added then perhaps I might revisit it, if it doesn't then it doesn't suite my needs. However I have seen where the media player option within VDR is not needed if you running something like XBMC as another front-end. I might be looking into enna http://enna.geexbox.org/ soon, which is similar concept as XBMC and uses xine-lib (neither vdr-xine or vdr-xineliboutput). Will see where that leads :) VDR isn't useless without an output device, it can still act as a server to set timers for recordings. I am impressed with vdr-streamdev-server and vdr-streamdev-client as a client/server solution it is as if I almost had 2 independent STBs, one for each room. The only annoying "bug" that I found was, that if I ran femon on the client, it would stop the server's current replay of a recording. I guess that is the fault of vdr-femon? my 2c ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
Hi, I am using the cvs version already. You are right, the cuttingmark problem has been fixed. But sometimes i see the broken behaviour when using the pc keyboard for cutting and mooving marks quickly. The other mentioned things are problems of the current cvs. BR. Halim ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
Hi, Halim Sahin wrote: Unfortunately softdevice development seems dead so i switched some months ago to xineliboutput. at first I would like to say thank you a lot to all VDR developer especially to Klaus! VDR is a tool I cannot live without it. I upgraded my xineliboutput this weekend to the current CVS version and there most of my problems are solved. I can now move cutting marks, jumping around in a recording and resume works reliable. Maybe you should try the CVS version it maybe fixes your problems, too. Bye, Matthias -- "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." -- Rich Cook ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
Hi, the xineliboutput guys are doing a great job with the plugin and I am almost hapy with it. I think the better approach was the softdevice plugin which was more easy to install and depends only on libavcodec. The xinelib is a big library and many plugins and other output devices etc are not needed for vdr output's. Unfortunately softdevice development seems dead so i switched some months ago to xineliboutput. The problems: - audio dropouts on radiochannels - audiodropouts when changing audio track in vdr - the remote frontend has to be started after vdr and refuses to start when vdr can't be found - sometimes segfaults of sxfe when switching between hd/sd channels - some dropouts after zapping (already mentioned in this thread). ... I know that Petri is working hard to resolve problems in xineliboutput so maybe we need more time to get a stable version of the plugin. Last weekend i've also tried vdr-xine. Compilation was ok but I wasn't able to run vdr -P xine I don't see any error message vdr starts and exit's. so I can't tell something about it so far. BTW.: is there no need for softdevice? BR. Halim ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On 24 February 2010 15:37, VDR User wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Torgeir Veimo wrote: >> True it's a problem with xineliboutput, but VDR is useless for HD >> without any HD output device, and xineliboutput is by far the most >> used one. Talking about VDR HD completeness without considering it is >> wrong IMHO. > > I'm not convinced xineliboutput is the most used output by far, or > even at all. Of the VDR users I talk to, vdr-xine is the easy > majority. But regardless what's used, I don't think it's fair to say > VDR isn't fully ready for HD when it's the output devices that are the > problem. I've only used vdr-xine myself and can say it works great in > my experience. Ok, I don't claim to know usage figures. I still think output devices needs to be taken into account when discussing VDR in a HD context. Without output devices, VDR is much less usable. > Btw, there will always be a slight delay (which is hardware related) > when tuning. However, it shouldn't be more then 1-2 seconds. Channel change is fast, but it is as if xine after half a second after normal playback decides that it wants a larger buffer of frames, thus freezing playback for half a second, before recovering. I am not sure if it's due to underbuffering or audio sync. -- -Tor ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > True it's a problem with xineliboutput, but VDR is useless for HD > without any HD output device, and xineliboutput is by far the most > used one. Talking about VDR HD completeness without considering it is > wrong IMHO. I'm not convinced xineliboutput is the most used output by far, or even at all. Of the VDR users I talk to, vdr-xine is the easy majority. But regardless what's used, I don't think it's fair to say VDR isn't fully ready for HD when it's the output devices that are the problem. I've only used vdr-xine myself and can say it works great in my experience. Btw, there will always be a slight delay (which is hardware related) when tuning. However, it shouldn't be more then 1-2 seconds. I hear the mythtv guys are disgusted with their channel changing delays. ;) ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On 24 February 2010 14:30, VDR User wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Torgeir Veimo wrote: >> On 24 February 2010 11:06, VDR User wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Oliver Endriss wrote: It will not be replaced before the HDTV VDR is mature. The biggest problem is that my eyes do not like the picture quality of current LCDs. >>> >>> Just curious what you think VDR lacks or is unstable in regarding >>> hdtv? The only current problems I'm aware of are: >> >> When using xineliboutput with vdpau, on channel change there's a pause >> in the playback after a second. This is very annoying when >> channelsurfing. > > Are you sure that's not a xineliboutput problem and not VDR? True it's a problem with xineliboutput, but VDR is useless for HD without any HD output device, and xineliboutput is by far the most used one. Talking about VDR HD completeness without considering it is wrong IMHO. -- -Tor ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > On 24 February 2010 11:06, VDR User wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Oliver Endriss wrote: >>> It will not be replaced before the HDTV VDR is mature. The biggest >>> problem is that my eyes do not like the picture quality of current LCDs. >> >> Just curious what you think VDR lacks or is unstable in regarding >> hdtv? The only current problems I'm aware of are: > > When using xineliboutput with vdpau, on channel change there's a pause > in the playback after a second. This is very annoying when > channelsurfing. Are you sure that's not a xineliboutput problem and not VDR? ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On 24 February 2010 11:06, VDR User wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Oliver Endriss wrote: >> It will not be replaced before the HDTV VDR is mature. The biggest >> problem is that my eyes do not like the picture quality of current LCDs. > > Just curious what you think VDR lacks or is unstable in regarding > hdtv? The only current problems I'm aware of are: When using xineliboutput with vdpau, on channel change there's a pause in the playback after a second. This is very annoying when channelsurfing. -- -Tor ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Oliver Endriss wrote: > It will not be replaced before the HDTV VDR is mature. The biggest > problem is that my eyes do not like the picture quality of current LCDs. Just curious what you think VDR lacks or is unstable in regarding hdtv? The only current problems I'm aware of are: - Xine will freeze when you are rewinding a VDR recording and then press play or right-arrow for example, but this is a bug in xine, not VDR. - VDR reporting incorrect runtime in h264 recordings. Klaus has worked on this and it's _much_ better now. If the runtime is incorrect, it's usually only off by up to +10 minutes or so, not several hours as it used to be. - Some people have problems playing VDR recordings in other players outside of VDR but again, not really a bug in VDR since VDR recordings are intended to be played within VDR. Maybe there are other issues but I don't know about them. The one that actually is an issue with VDR (incorrect runtimes), isn't even significant. Cheers ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] OT: Applications for the living room
Paul Menzel wrote: > > I just checked my archives and found that VDR replaced my analogue SAT > > receiver around July 2002. From the beginning it was the most useful > > linux application I ever tried. And it is still the only one which made > > it into the living room. > > Just out of curiosity, what other applications do you use in your living > room? And do you have different system or just one on which virtual > machines are running? The VDR machine is the only PC-like hardware in the living-room. It is based on old PIII 800 MHz hardware, and it runs rock-stable. :-) It will not be replaced before the HDTV VDR is mature. The biggest problem is that my eyes do not like the picture quality of current LCDs. Of course, there is more PC hardware outside of the living-room (server, workstations). CU Oliver -- VDR Remote Plugin 0.4.0: http://www.escape-edv.de/endriss/vdr/ 4 MByte Mod: http://www.escape-edv.de/endriss/dvb-mem-mod/ Full-TS Mod: http://www.escape-edv.de/endriss/dvb-full-ts-mod/ ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
