[Veritas-bu] NBU 5 EOL

2007-01-12 Thread Dave Markham
Anyone know at all when Netbackup 5.0 will be end of life or end of
support? I cant seem to find info on the site. Needle haystack and all that.

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[Veritas-bu] Same jobid, but different return status from bperror bpdbjobs

2007-01-12 Thread i node

Same backup ID.  I run bperror on it and see that it successfully
completed.  I run bpdbjobs and see that it it had exit status 228.

This is disturbing.  Any one know why bperror and bpdbjobs don't agree?

# bperror -U -jobid 1852058 -hoursago 72
   TIMESERVER/CLIENT  TEXT
01/09/2007 00:39:24 nbserver clientXX  added backup job (jobid=1852058) for
   client clientXX, policy VAR_LOGS, schedule daily
   part 0 to NetBackup scheduler work queue
01/09/2007 04:59:09 nbserver clientXX  started backup job for client
clientXX,
   policy VAR_LOGS, schedule daily on storage unit
   IBM_nbserver
01/09/2007 04:59:46 nbserver clientXX  client clientXX handling path
   /var/logs/prd
. . . . . .

01/09/2007 06:10:45 nbserver clientXX  CLIENT clientXX  POLICY
   VAR_LOGS  SCHED daily  EXIT STATUS 0 (the
   requested operation was successfully completed)

# bpdbjobs -most_columns -jobid 1852058
1852058,0,3,228,VAR_LOGS,daily,clientXX,nbserver,1168321164,019881,1168341045,IBM,1,,400640,6,,100,11192,root,1,0,1,99,,nbserver,4,7,0,,,0,0,1852057,627,1,11199,0,,,1,0,0,clientXX_1168336753,,
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Same jobid, but different return status from bper ror bpdbjobs

2007-01-12 Thread WEAVER, Simon

Would it be due to the number of retries ? for example, the 1st try got
228, but 2nd retry completed in a 0 ?
 

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Windows Domain Administrator 

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bpdbjobs


Same backup ID.  I run bperror on it and see that it successfully completed.
I run bpdbjobs and see that it it had exit status 228.
 
This is disturbing.  Any one know why bperror and bpdbjobs don't agree?  
 
 # bperror -U -jobid 1852058 -hoursago 72 
TIMESERVER/CLIENT  TEXT
01/09/2007 00:39:24 nbserver clientXX  added backup job (jobid=1852058) for
client clientXX, policy VAR_LOGS, schedule daily 
part 0 to NetBackup scheduler work queue
01/09/2007 04:59:09 nbserver clientXX  started backup job for client
clientXX,
policy VAR_LOGS, schedule daily on storage unit
IBM_nbserver
01/09/2007 04:59:46 nbserver clientXX  client clientXX handling path
/var/logs/prd
 . . . . . . 

01/09/2007 06:10:45 nbserver clientXX  CLIENT clientXX  POLICY 
VAR_LOGS  SCHED daily  EXIT STATUS 0 (the
requested operation was successfully completed)
 
# bpdbjobs -most_columns -jobid 1852058 
1852058,0,3,228,VAR_LOGS,daily,clientXX,nbserver,1168321164,019881,11683
41045,IBM,1,,400640,6,,100,11192,root,1,0,1,99,,nbserver,4,7,0,,,0,0,1852057
,627,1,11199,0,,,1,0,0,clientXX_1168336753,, 
 
 



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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU 5 EOL

2007-01-12 Thread Bob Stump
Here is where you can check any version roadmap
http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/support/release_details.jsp?pid=15143
 
Release Date:
December 1, 2003
End of Support Life:
October 3, 2007

 
 
 
 
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 Dave Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/12/2007 8:42 AM 

Anyone know at all when Netbackup 5.0 will be end of life or end of
support? I cant seem to find info on the site. Needle haystack and all
that.

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[Veritas-bu] 6.0 Mp4 Weirdness

2007-01-12 Thread Karl . Rossing
I'm having issues with netbackup not see'ing newly added tapes in our two 
autoloaders. A DSSU is assigned to each autoloader.

For some reason, the inventory works but the manual relocation does not 
find any available media(errors 191 and 96).

The server is NB 6.0 MP4 running on sparc with Solaris 10. 

Normally I have enough tape BUT i'm still fighting with my other tape 
drive (lto2 only backing up 125GB of data to the tape)

I'm on hold with veritas support waiting for an agent(23 minutes) to route 
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[Veritas-bu] Install error

2007-01-12 Thread Haskins, Steve
NBInstdlg cannot load resdll.dll

 

Has anyone resolved this error in trying to install the NB client on a
Windows server? The server is Windows 2000. It had 4.5 and I was trying
to update to 5.1MP5. Got 5.1 installed and the error started with MP5. I
have uninstalled the client (cleaned registry and non-plugandplay
drivers) and now I can't get 4.5 to install again either.

 

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[Veritas-bu] remote admin java program for nb 5.0

2007-01-12 Thread Hindle, Greg
Nb 5.0 mp6 Solaris 9

 

I am looking to download a 5.0 remote admin java client fro my windows
xp laptop so I can remotely manage 5.0 servers. I have a new laptop and
someone here has misplaced the 5.0 cd that has this on it. Any help?

 

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[Veritas-bu] Odd byte counts in restore log

2007-01-12 Thread Jeff Lightner
Trying to figure out what this means (other than it couldn't write the
file because it thought it was out of space):

12:32:41 (166920.001) Could only write 82944 of 262144 bytes to file
/database/olaprdo/temp04.dbf at file offset 3 gigabytes + 1914412032
bytes 
12:32:41 (166920.001) Couldn't write to file
/database/olaprdo/temp04.dbf: No space left on device

The original file was actually 5242888192 bytes.   Looking at the target
filesystem given its current space available I can see that this file
wouldn't have fit.  I'm just trying to figure out where it determined
the numbers seen in the first line of the message as they don't seem to
relate directly either to the filesystem size or the original file size.

Notes:  We do have largefiles turned on for this vxfs filesystem.   We
also know we don't need the above file for Oracle to start as we can
delete it.  I'm just curious about the odd numbers it shows.   This is
NB 5.1 MP4 on HP-UX running Veritas Volume Manager and Veritas File
System.
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[Veritas-bu] NB 6.0 MP3 and NOM

2007-01-12 Thread Jones, Courtenay
Is there anyone out there running NB 6.0 MP3 and Network Operations
Manager? I am trying to get some reporting out for the management type
people, and we are running into the following error message:
 
Operation Manager: Job Monitor failed.
 
We can report on everything except the status of jobs, which is the most
important thing...
 
Any thoughts?
 
Veritas's solution is to tell up to upgrade to MP4 - they wont even
troubleshoot with it. It is extremely frustrating...
 
Win2k3 - Master Server
Virtual Win2k3 (Vmware) - NOM
4 Media Servers - Win 2k3
 

Regards,

-cj
Courtenay Jones
Unix Administrator

Wolseley North America - Systems Engineering

8020 Arco Corporate Drive
Raleigh, NC 27617

Phone: 919-431-1882 / Cell: 919-673-3983

 
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[Veritas-bu] adding new tape drives in solaris

2007-01-12 Thread Paul Keating
What process do you guys go through to add new fiber chanel tape drives
under Solaris?
 
my standard process is as follows:
 
/ cfgadm -al -o show_FCP_dev
 
...gets a view of devices attached to FC controllers, and verify they
all show up similar to the following:
 
c4::1000c954e9de,2 tape connectedconfigured
unknown
 
but sometimes things show up like:
 
c4::1000c954ea4c,0 tape connectedunconfigured
unknown
 
..in which case, I'll run:
 
/ cfgadm -c configure c# - where # is the relevant controller (HBA
port)
 
then hopefully, everything will come up configuredif it doesn't,
powercycle the device, verify it logs into the fabric, then repeat the
above.
 
once everything above is complete, I will run...
 
/usr/openv/volmgr/bin/sg.build all -mt 15 -ml 6  - which allows up to 6
luns (tape drives) on each controller...typically there's only one, LUN0
per tape drive
 
I'll verify the proper strings are in the /kernel/drv/st.conf, then
reboot with the reconfigure option.
 
after rebooting:
 
/ /usr/bin/rm -f /kernel/drv/sg.conf
/ /usr/openv/volmgr/bin/driver/sg.install
 
then devfsadm, or reboot -- -r again.
 
then sgscan, and config the drive in NBU.
 
that seems to be the standard process, that *should* work, and does
probably 50% of the timethe other 50% of the time, if it doesn't
work the first try, then I can spend hours upon hours upon hours, trying
to get everything working.
 
sometimes, all the devices show up as configured when I do a cfgadm
-al -o show_FCP_dev, then when I configure the drivers, and reboot,
they're unconfigured again, or worse, configured but
failing/unusable.
 
then there's the times when everthing show up as configured, and usable,
, the driver rebuild is fine, but devfsadm, or a reboot -- -r only
creates device files for half the drives..it's absolutely
infuriating.
 
Any advice for easy, reliable, repeatable, stress free device
configuration??
 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU

2007-01-12 Thread Conner, Mike
Mr Preston - thanks so much - that's actually so funny...you are the
reason why I had this string on the auburn list because of something you
said at one of your backup school seminars.  Pretty awesome!

Mike

 

  _  

From: Curtis Preston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Conner, Mike
Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU

 

Not sure I agree with you on the comment about competition.  First,
they're more in competition NetApp's de-dupe NearStore, and they're the
main vendor that's helping NBU to move forward with the DSU stuff.
(NetApp's probably a close second and may be a tie.)  NBU is making
their DSU/DSSU stuff better, and will soon be charging for it, and Data
Domain is leading that charge.  Translation: Symantec loves Data Domain.
I don't think there's any support issues to worry about there.

 

As to being in competition with Puredisk, the two products are actually
quite different and are aiming at two different problems.  Puredisk is
aimed at solving remote backup and DD is aimed at being an inexpensive,
high performance target for all backups.  We'll see how it all plays
out, but I see them being a perfect fit together.  One's for remote
data, and the other is for data center data.  If Puredisk is similar in
performance to other remote office solution's I've seen, I doubt it will
even come close to competing with DD in performance.  BUT, DD costs tens
of thousands per box and you're not going to put one of those in every
remote site if you've only got a 100 GB of data.  That's where Puredisk
would play well.

 

Just my $.02.

 

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W. Curtis Preston

Author of O'Reilly's Backup  Recovery and Using SANs and NAS

VP Data Protection

GlassHouse Technologies

 

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Mike, 

If you use NDMP backups, avoid it, we had to use there VLT solution, and
found a major bug in the code.  They state that the code fix will not be
GA until July of this year.  There support is great, very helpful and
knowledgeable.  Read the fine print, and get a copy of the support
matrix, as they refer to it quite a bit before they start
troubleshooting. 

To be honest, the DDR's are in competition with NBU and there remote
office solution, so do not expect support from the NBU side either.
DataDomain is more targeted toward CommVault, and Legato, not NBU.  I
would look at the support matrix from NBU as well. 

I hope this helps. 

Steve Bally
Systems Engineer
RadiSys Corporation
www.radisys.com
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Cell: 503-970-6201

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We have NBU 5.1 MP5, Windows, VMWare, SQL, Exchange. 
  
Does anyone have any experience with Data Domain and how it integrates
with Netbackup 5.1 or 6.x?  We are currently talking with Data Domain,
but I'd like to hear what experiences are... 
Thanks 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU

2007-01-12 Thread Curtis Preston
Not sure I agree with you on the comment about competition.  First,
they're more in competition NetApp's de-dupe NearStore, and they're the
main vendor that's helping NBU to move forward with the DSU stuff.
(NetApp's probably a close second and may be a tie.)  NBU is making
their DSU/DSSU stuff better, and will soon be charging for it, and Data
Domain is leading that charge.  Translation: Symantec loves Data Domain.
I don't think there's any support issues to worry about there.

 

As to being in competition with Puredisk, the two products are actually
quite different and are aiming at two different problems.  Puredisk is
aimed at solving remote backup and DD is aimed at being an inexpensive,
high performance target for all backups.  We'll see how it all plays
out, but I see them being a perfect fit together.  One's for remote
data, and the other is for data center data.  If Puredisk is similar in
performance to other remote office solution's I've seen, I doubt it will
even come close to competing with DD in performance.  BUT, DD costs tens
of thousands per box and you're not going to put one of those in every
remote site if you've only got a 100 GB of data.  That's where Puredisk
would play well.

 

Just my $.02.

 

---

W. Curtis Preston

Author of O'Reilly's Backup  Recovery and Using SANs and NAS

VP Data Protection

GlassHouse Technologies

 



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Mike, 

If you use NDMP backups, avoid it, we had to use there VLT solution, and
found a major bug in the code.  They state that the code fix will not be
GA until July of this year.  There support is great, very helpful and
knowledgeable.  Read the fine print, and get a copy of the support
matrix, as they refer to it quite a bit before they start
troubleshooting. 

To be honest, the DDR's are in competition with NBU and there remote
office solution, so do not expect support from the NBU side either.
DataDomain is more targeted toward CommVault, and Legato, not NBU.  I
would look at the support matrix from NBU as well. 

I hope this helps. 

Steve Bally
Systems Engineer
RadiSys Corporation
www.radisys.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cell: 503-970-6201

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We have NBU 5.1 MP5, Windows, VMWare, SQL, Exchange. 
  
Does anyone have any experience with Data Domain and how it integrates
with Netbackup 5.1 or 6.x?  We are currently talking with Data Domain,
but I'd like to hear what experiences are... 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU

2007-01-12 Thread Curtis Preston
Mr. Preston is my dad.  I'm Mr. Backup. ;)

 

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Author of O'Reilly's Backup  Recovery and Using SANs and NAS

VP Data Protection

GlassHouse Technologies

 



From: Conner, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:08 AM
To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU

 

Mr Preston - thanks so much - that's actually so funny...you are the
reason why I had this string on the auburn list because of something you
said at one of your backup school seminars.  Pretty awesome!

Mike

 



From: Curtis Preston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Conner, Mike
Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Data Domain with NBU

 

Not sure I agree with you on the comment about competition.  First,
they're more in competition NetApp's de-dupe NearStore, and they're the
main vendor that's helping NBU to move forward with the DSU stuff.
(NetApp's probably a close second and may be a tie.)  NBU is making
their DSU/DSSU stuff better, and will soon be charging for it, and Data
Domain is leading that charge.  Translation: Symantec loves Data Domain.
I don't think there's any support issues to worry about there.

 

As to being in competition with Puredisk, the two products are actually
quite different and are aiming at two different problems.  Puredisk is
aimed at solving remote backup and DD is aimed at being an inexpensive,
high performance target for all backups.  We'll see how it all plays
out, but I see them being a perfect fit together.  One's for remote
data, and the other is for data center data.  If Puredisk is similar in
performance to other remote office solution's I've seen, I doubt it will
even come close to competing with DD in performance.  BUT, DD costs tens
of thousands per box and you're not going to put one of those in every
remote site if you've only got a 100 GB of data.  That's where Puredisk
would play well.

 

Just my $.02.

 

---

W. Curtis Preston

Author of O'Reilly's Backup  Recovery and Using SANs and NAS

VP Data Protection

GlassHouse Technologies

 



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Mike, 

If you use NDMP backups, avoid it, we had to use there VLT solution, and
found a major bug in the code.  They state that the code fix will not be
GA until July of this year.  There support is great, very helpful and
knowledgeable.  Read the fine print, and get a copy of the support
matrix, as they refer to it quite a bit before they start
troubleshooting. 

To be honest, the DDR's are in competition with NBU and there remote
office solution, so do not expect support from the NBU side either.
DataDomain is more targeted toward CommVault, and Legato, not NBU.  I
would look at the support matrix from NBU as well. 

I hope this helps. 

Steve Bally
Systems Engineer
RadiSys Corporation
www.radisys.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cell: 503-970-6201

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We have NBU 5.1 MP5, Windows, VMWare, SQL, Exchange. 
  
Does anyone have any experience with Data Domain and how it integrates
with Netbackup 5.1 or 6.x?  We are currently talking with Data Domain,
but I'd like to hear what experiences are... 
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Odd byte counts in restore log

2007-01-12 Thread Jeff Lightner
OK so you're saying the 82944 of 262144 is just telling me about a
single block.  It was that which was confusing me - I thought it was
saying 82944 of 262144 for the total file which obviously was way to
low and didn't know how it related to the rest.

Anyway as noted we've brought up the DB by telling it to delete the temp
file as it isn't really necessary.  As stated I was just trying to
figure out what the message was saying.

-Original Message-
From: bob944 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:21 PM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; Jeff Lightner
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Odd byte counts in restore log

 Trying to figure out what this means (other than it couldn't write the
 file because it thought it was out of space):
 
 12:32:41 (166920.001) Could only write 82944 of 262144 bytes to file
 /database/olaprdo/temp04.dbf at file offset 3 gigabytes + 1914412032
 bytes 
 12:32:41 (166920.001) Couldn't write to file
 /database/olaprdo/temp04.dbf: No space left on device
 
 The original file was actually 5242888192 bytes.   Looking at 
 the target
 filesystem given its current space available I can see that this file
 wouldn't have fit.  I'm just trying to figure out where it determined
 the numbers seen in the first line of the message as they 
 don't seem to
 relate directly either to the filesystem size or the original 
 file size.

Not sure which numbers you are concerned with, but you're using a 256KB
block size, and write() returned an error after 82944 bytes of that
block were written.  That's 162 disk-drive, 512-byte blocks.

If they're computing GB correctly (not like the dumb new ISO standard!),
3GB = 2^30 * 3 = 3221225472, and if it got through 1914412032 more, it
was up to 5135637504 before it ran out.  Just tack another 107250688
bytes onto that disk and you're good to go.  :-)


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Odd byte counts in restore log

2007-01-12 Thread bob944
 Trying to figure out what this means (other than it couldn't write the
 file because it thought it was out of space):
 
 12:32:41 (166920.001) Could only write 82944 of 262144 bytes to file
 /database/olaprdo/temp04.dbf at file offset 3 gigabytes + 1914412032
 bytes 
 12:32:41 (166920.001) Couldn't write to file
 /database/olaprdo/temp04.dbf: No space left on device
 
 The original file was actually 5242888192 bytes.   Looking at 
 the target
 filesystem given its current space available I can see that this file
 wouldn't have fit.  I'm just trying to figure out where it determined
 the numbers seen in the first line of the message as they 
 don't seem to
 relate directly either to the filesystem size or the original 
 file size.

Not sure which numbers you are concerned with, but you're using a 256KB
block size, and write() returned an error after 82944 bytes of that
block were written.  That's 162 disk-drive, 512-byte blocks.

If they're computing GB correctly (not like the dumb new ISO standard!),
3GB = 2^30 * 3 = 3221225472, and if it got through 1914412032 more, it
was up to 5135637504 before it ran out.  Just tack another 107250688
bytes onto that disk and you're good to go.  :-)


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[Veritas-bu] Same jobid, but different return status from bperror and bpdbjobs

2007-01-12 Thread ankur kumar


Please do check on how the formatting is done in the
bp.conf of your master server for the bpdbjobs output.

ciao
Ankur Kumar
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[Veritas-bu] Install error

2007-01-12 Thread ankur kumar

Hi Steve,
could you please check out the permissions from the 
DCOMcnfg.exe tool
please do have a word with the Windows Admin to check
up on the Default permissions tab

ciao
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[Veritas-bu] Performance Problems

2007-01-12 Thread Martin, Jonathan \(Contractor\)
I'm finally getting around to performance tuning the new hardware and my
hair is now officially on fire.  To say the storage is slow, is like
saying the south pole is chilly.  Performance is TERRIBLE.  Not just in
Netbackup, but generally speaking I can't copy files to these volumes at
30MB/sec.  So I've got some questions and I try and tweak better
performance.

NBU 6.0 MP4 on Windows 2003 MP1
Dell PowerEdge 2950s w/ Dual Core Xeon 3.2 Ghz Processors 4GB Ram
Storage - Dell MD1000 w/ 15 7,200RMD SATAII Drives

1 - Dell is floating the idea that because my memory runs at 667Mhz and
my FSB runs at 1066Mhz that it could be causing a traffic jam.  Anyone
put any stock in this idea?  They suggest 533Mhz RAM which fits much
more nicely with the 1066FSB.

2 - Anyone using NTFS compression on DSUs or DSSUs  500GB?  I realise
you take the compression hit on 4KB NTFS Cluster sizes and compression
speeds, but I want to know if its possible to use NTFS on a volume and
gert descent read/write speeds from a DSU / DSSU.

3 - I'm assuming my best transfer speeds are going to be NBU with 64KB
SIZE_DATA_BUFFERS pumping 64KB NTFS Clusters on a 14 Disk Raid5 array w/
64KB Stripe.  I guess its possible multiples of 64KB would be ok as
well.

4 - From some perspectives it looks just like the hardware isn't moving
data fast enough.  But I guess its also fair to say that NBU isn't
driving the hardware to move the data any faster.  With the exception of
Buffer settings is there anyway to shift the NBU I/O realted processes
into high gear? Increasing the buffer sizes and adding more buffers
only help until a certain point.

5 - Does anyone run NBU w/ the /PAE or /3GB switches in windows?  Any
improvement in performance.

Any input is appreciated.  I'm going home for some RR before I come
back in next week to beat my head against the wall some more.

-Jonathan

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Performance Problems

2007-01-12 Thread Ed Wilts
On 1/12/2007 3:54 PM, Martin, Jonathan (Contractor) wrote:
 I'm finally getting around to performance tuning the new hardware and my
 hair is now officially on fire.  To say the storage is slow, is like
 saying the south pole is chilly.  Performance is TERRIBLE.  Not just in
 Netbackup, but generally speaking I can't copy files to these volumes at
30MB/sec.  

It appears you've done the first step and eliminated NetBackup from the 
picture since you say that performance is terrible outside of NetBackup. 
  Start with some standard benchmarks like iometer so that you can 
duplicate the tests as you make changes.

 NBU 6.0 MP4 on Windows 2003 MP1

This is now irrelevant.  You said you've got a performance issue outside 
of NetBackup.  Get that fixed first.

 Dell PowerEdge 2950s w/ Dual Core Xeon 3.2 Ghz Processors 4GB Ram
 Storage - Dell MD1000 w/ 15 7,200RMD SATAII Drives

SATA is designed for capacity, not performance.

 1 - Dell is floating the idea that because my memory runs at 667Mhz and
 my FSB runs at 1066Mhz that it could be causing a traffic jam.  Anyone
 put any stock in this idea?  They suggest 533Mhz RAM which fits much
 more nicely with the 1066FSB.

That sounds like somebody doesn't know what they're talking about. 
There's no way that the memory differences are going to make *that* much 
of a difference.

 2 - Anyone using NTFS compression on DSUs or DSSUs  500GB?  I realise
 you take the compression hit on 4KB NTFS Cluster sizes and compression
 speeds, but I want to know if its possible to use NTFS on a volume and
 gert descent read/write speeds from a DSU / DSSU.

You would take a massive performance hit on the CPU.  Don't try it until 
you have the hardware working properly to start with, and then you can 
tweak from there.

 3 - I'm assuming my best transfer speeds are going to be NBU 

Remember, you've already eliminated NetBackup.  Leave it alone for now.

  on a 14 Disk Raid5 array w/64KB Stripe.  I guess its possible 
multiples of 64KB would be ok as
 well.

That RAID-5 set is *way* too large.  Don't forget that for every RAID-5 
write, you're going to have to read from the remaining 13 members to 
calculate the parity.  Given the reliability of SATA drives, you're also 
setting yourself up for failure of the array due to a double-disk 
failure.  At a minimum, create 2 separate RAID-5 sets.  Ideally, keep 
your RAID-5 sets to 4 or 5 members.

 4 - From some perspectives it looks just like the hardware isn't moving
 data fast enough.  But I guess its also fair to say that NBU isn't
 driving the hardware to move the data any faster.  With the exception of
 Buffer settings is there anyway to shift the NBU I/O realted processes
 into high gear? Increasing the buffer sizes and adding more buffers
 only help until a certain point.

I googled a bit and ran across an article 
(http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=23323) that said:
I'm currently testing the Dell PERC 5/E, based on the Intel IOP333, and 
it's pushing over 510MB/s read STR and 314MB/s write STR with 14 Fujitsu 
MAX3036RC drives in RAID 5. The drives are connected through a SAS 
expander with a 1,2GB/s wide port between controller and expander. The 
database performance of this setup is truly stunning (I can post some 
benchmarks if anyone is interested).

That looksl ike it's using SAS drives so I don't think you're maxing out 
the controller.

So...start with benchmarks, and then follow up with the Windows and 
storage tuning folks.  Once you've got Windows writing at the 
performance it should be, then worry about NetBackup tuning.

.../Ed
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