[Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31
Not knowing Unix well, I am trying to get implemented a NBU 6.5 Client on Unix, they were given a Unix CD, which apparantly contained the client. When I create a policy and add the client, I have to choose from a list (Doesnt seem to auto detect like Windows). Unix Guy states its a 9000/800/rp7440 on HPUX 11.31, but I can see HP9000-800 HPUX11.23 for this hardware and OS platform. So chose it, ran the job I get this... 29/09/2011 07:24:55 - connecting 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - Error bpbrm(pid=660) from client Server: aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - connected; connect time: 00:00:01 29/09/2011 07:24:57 - end writing file read failed(13) Does anyone know if 6.5.6 Windows Master will allow a 6.5 client to run on this box? Also, did appear to me that maybe they need to download the latest update pack so its standard across the board. Any input appreciated. Thanks Regards Simon ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31
There's a HPUX patch that will take care of this. I had it in my saved folders, but for some reason all my saved emails are now gone... The hits just keep on coming...! Anyway, this was a problem way back, and the patch application on the client should take care of it. I think this occured on both 11.23 and 11.31. Wish I could be more help about the patch number, but if I can recover my saved emails, I'll forward the info. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 Not knowing Unix well, I am trying to get implemented a NBU 6.5 Client on Unix, they were given a Unix CD, which apparantly contained the client. When I create a policy and add the client, I have to choose from a list (Doesnt seem to auto detect like Windows). Unix Guy states its a 9000/800/rp7440 on HPUX 11.31, but I can see HP9000-800 HPUX11.23 for this hardware and OS platform. So chose it, ran the job I get this... 29/09/2011 07:24:55 - connecting 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - Error bpbrm(pid=660) from client Server: aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - connected; connect time: 00:00:01 29/09/2011 07:24:57 - end writing file read failed(13) Does anyone know if 6.5.6 Windows Master will allow a 6.5 client to run on this box? Also, did appear to me that maybe they need to download the latest update pack so its standard across the board. Any input appreciated. Thanks Regards Simon ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31
HPUX 11.31 I would always recommend applying the latest patch when/if you can. As for compatibility, there is a guide that outlines what is/is not supported and what client version supports it. Check the guide, patch to 6.5.6, and if it’s still broken, check Google or open a support case. Thank you, Rusty *From:* veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] *On Behalf Of *WEAVER, Simon (external) *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:27 AM *To:* VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu *Subject:* [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 Not knowing Unix well, I am trying to get implemented a NBU 6.5 Client on Unix, they were given a Unix CD, which apparantly contained the client. When I create a policy and add the client, I have to choose from a list (Doesnt seem to auto detect like Windows). Unix Guy states its a 9000/800/rp7440 on HPUX 11.31, but I can see HP9000-800 HPUX11.23 for this hardware and OS platform. So chose it, ran the job I get this... 29/09/2011 07:24:55 - connecting 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - Error bpbrm(pid=660) from client Server: aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - connected; connect time: 00:00:01 29/09/2011 07:24:57 - end writing file read failed(13) Does anyone know if 6.5.6 Windows Master will allow a 6.5 client to run on this box? Also, did appear to me that maybe they need to download the latest update pack so its standard across the board. Any input appreciated. Thanks *Regards* *Simon* ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31
Ok well I am sure I have the client installed. This is what I still get... aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. Would be nice to know what patch it was :-) S. From: Kalusche, Dan [mailto:dan.kalus...@andersencorp.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:34 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: HPUX 11.31 There's a HPUX patch that will take care of this. I had it in my saved folders, but for some reason all my saved emails are now gone... The hits just keep on coming...! Anyway, this was a problem way back, and the patch application on the client should take care of it. I think this occured on both 11.23 and 11.31. Wish I could be more help about the patch number, but if I can recover my saved emails, I'll forward the info. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 Not knowing Unix well, I am trying to get implemented a NBU 6.5 Client on Unix, they were given a Unix CD, which apparantly contained the client. When I create a policy and add the client, I have to choose from a list (Doesnt seem to auto detect like Windows). Unix Guy states its a 9000/800/rp7440 on HPUX 11.31, but I can see HP9000-800 HPUX11.23 for this hardware and OS platform. So chose it, ran the job I get this... 29/09/2011 07:24:55 - connecting 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - Error bpbrm(pid=660) from client Server: aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - connected; connect time: 00:00:01 29/09/2011 07:24:57 - end writing file read failed(13) Does anyone know if 6.5.6 Windows Master will allow a 6.5 client to run on this box? Also, did appear to me that maybe they need to download the latest update pack so its standard across the board. Any input appreciated. Thanks Regards Simon ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31
Actually you have to *remove* a patch I think http://www.backupcentral.com/phpBB2/two-way-mirrors-of-external-mailing-lists-3/symantec-netbackup-18/warning-about-hp-ux-11-11-patch-phss-38154-95477/ William D L Brown From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: 29 September 2011 13:36 To: Kalusche, Dan; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 Ok well I am sure I have the client installed. This is what I still get... aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. Would be nice to know what patch it was :-) S. From: Kalusche, Dan [mailto:dan.kalus...@andersencorp.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:34 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: HPUX 11.31 There's a HPUX patch that will take care of this. I had it in my saved folders, but for some reason all my saved emails are now gone... The hits just keep on coming...! Anyway, this was a problem way back, and the patch application on the client should take care of it. I think this occured on both 11.23 and 11.31. Wish I could be more help about the patch number, but if I can recover my saved emails, I'll forward the info. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 Not knowing Unix well, I am trying to get implemented a NBU 6.5 Client on Unix, they were given a Unix CD, which apparantly contained the client. When I create a policy and add the client, I have to choose from a list (Doesnt seem to auto detect like Windows). Unix Guy states its a 9000/800/rp7440 on HPUX 11.31, but I can see HP9000-800 HPUX11.23 for this hardware and OS platform. So chose it, ran the job I get this... 29/09/2011 07:24:55 - connecting 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - Error bpbrm(pid=660) from client Server: aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - connected; connect time: 00:00:01 29/09/2011 07:24:57 - end writing file read failed(13) Does anyone know if 6.5.6 Windows Master will allow a 6.5 client to run on this box? Also, did appear to me that maybe they need to download the latest update pack so its standard across the board. Any input appreciated. Thanks Regards Simon This e-mail was sent by GlaxoSmithKline Services Unlimited (registered in England and Wales No. 1047315), which is a member of the GlaxoSmithKline group of companies. The registered address of GlaxoSmithKline Services Unlimited is 980 Great West Road, Brentford, Middlesex TW8 9GS. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31
That'll work, or I believe there was a patch that superceeded this one that will fix as well... From: William Brown [mailto:william.d.br...@gsk.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:51 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Kalusche, Dan; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: HPUX 11.31 Actually you have to *remove* a patch I think http://www.backupcentral.com/phpBB2/two-way-mirrors-of-external-mailing-lists-3/symantec-netbackup-18/warning-about-hp-ux-11-11-patch-phss-38154-95477/ William D L Brown From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: 29 September 2011 13:36 To: Kalusche, Dan; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 Ok well I am sure I have the client installed. This is what I still get... aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. Would be nice to know what patch it was :-) S. From: Kalusche, Dan [mailto:dan.kalus...@andersencorp.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:34 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: HPUX 11.31 There's a HPUX patch that will take care of this. I had it in my saved folders, but for some reason all my saved emails are now gone... The hits just keep on coming...! Anyway, this was a problem way back, and the patch application on the client should take care of it. I think this occured on both 11.23 and 11.31. Wish I could be more help about the patch number, but if I can recover my saved emails, I'll forward the info. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 Not knowing Unix well, I am trying to get implemented a NBU 6.5 Client on Unix, they were given a Unix CD, which apparantly contained the client. When I create a policy and add the client, I have to choose from a list (Doesnt seem to auto detect like Windows). Unix Guy states its a 9000/800/rp7440 on HPUX 11.31, but I can see HP9000-800 HPUX11.23 for this hardware and OS platform. So chose it, ran the job I get this... 29/09/2011 07:24:55 - connecting 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - Error bpbrm(pid=660) from client Server: aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - connected; connect time: 00:00:01 29/09/2011 07:24:57 - end writing file read failed(13) Does anyone know if 6.5.6 Windows Master will allow a 6.5 client to run on this box? Also, did appear to me that maybe they need to download the latest update pack so its standard across the board. Any input appreciated. Thanks Regards Simon This e-mail was sent by GlaxoSmithKline Services Unlimited (registered in England and Wales No. 1047315), which is a member of the GlaxoSmithKline group of companies. The registered address of GlaxoSmithKline Services Unlimited is 980 Great West Road, Brentford, Middlesex TW8 9GS. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31
I did mate that's why I have been puzzled about this! From what I can make out, from 6.x its been supported! It should just work!! But starting to believe its patch related now. S. From: Rusty Major [mailto:rusty.ma...@sungard.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:35 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 I would always recommend applying the latest patch when/if you can. As for compatibility, there is a guide that outlines what is/is not supported and what client version supports it. Check the guide, patch to 6.5.6, and if it's still broken, check Google or open a support case. Thank you, Rusty From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 Not knowing Unix well, I am trying to get implemented a NBU 6.5 Client on Unix, they were given a Unix CD, which apparantly contained the client. When I create a policy and add the client, I have to choose from a list (Doesnt seem to auto detect like Windows). Unix Guy states its a 9000/800/rp7440 on HPUX 11.31, but I can see HP9000-800 HPUX11.23 for this hardware and OS platform. So chose it, ran the job I get this... 29/09/2011 07:24:55 - connecting 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - Error bpbrm(pid=660) from client Server: aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - connected; connect time: 00:00:01 29/09/2011 07:24:57 - end writing file read failed(13) Does anyone know if 6.5.6 Windows Master will allow a 6.5 client to run on this box? Also, did appear to me that maybe they need to download the latest update pack so its standard across the board. Any input appreciated. Thanks Regards Simon ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31
Note that the link is for HP-UX 11.11 (a/k/a 11iV1) but mentions a patch for HP-UX 11.23 (a/k/a 11iV2). The OS here is 11.31 (a/k/a 11iV3). Unfortunately even when HP issues the same patch for multiple versions of the OS they do not have the same patch number for the different versions of OS. You’d need to determine the equivalent patch for 11.31 (if there is one – often fixes that were done via patch in earlier OS versions are built into the newer versions so aren’t patches any longer). Also they supersede patches so to check for a given patch isn’t as simple as doing swlist for the package as there may be a later one that includes it. You can find out by doing: grep package /var/adm/sw/products/PH*/README For any file shown by above view the file and see if the package you were interested is in the “Supersedes” section. If it is then it means the PH file (patch) you found includes that fix. You would then want to examine detail in the README as it is possible the superseding patch fixed an issue caused by an earlier one. We don’t run any 11.31 here so I’m not sure what differences there are so far as NBU is concerned. NBU 7.1 supports 11.31 but I don’t see it as an option in NBU 6.5. “aCC” is HP’s Ansi C++ stuff so libraries etc… are different so your error may simply be that NBU 6.5 doesn’t know how to talk to HP-UX 11.31. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Kalusche, Dan Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:52 AM To: William Brown; WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 That'll work, or I believe there was a patch that superceeded this one that will fix as well... From: William Brown [mailto:william.d.br...@gsk.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:51 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Kalusche, Dan; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: HPUX 11.31 Actually you have to *remove* a patch I think http://www.backupcentral.com/phpBB2/two-way-mirrors-of-external-mailing-lists-3/symantec-netbackup-18/warning-about-hp-ux-11-11-patch-phss-38154-95477/ William D L Brown From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: 29 September 2011 13:36 To: Kalusche, Dan; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 Ok well I am sure I have the client installed. This is what I still get... aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. Would be nice to know what patch it was :-) S. From: Kalusche, Dan [mailto:dan.kalus...@andersencorp.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:34 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: HPUX 11.31 There's a HPUX patch that will take care of this. I had it in my saved folders, but for some reason all my saved emails are now gone... The hits just keep on coming...! Anyway, this was a problem way back, and the patch application on the client should take care of it. I think this occured on both 11.23 and 11.31. Wish I could be more help about the patch number, but if I can recover my saved emails, I'll forward the info. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] HPUX 11.31 Not knowing Unix well, I am trying to get implemented a NBU 6.5 Client on Unix, they were given a Unix CD, which apparantly contained the client. When I create a policy and add the client, I have to choose from a list (Doesnt seem to auto detect like Windows). Unix Guy states its a 9000/800/rp7440 on HPUX 11.31, but I can see HP9000-800 HPUX11.23 for this hardware and OS platform. So chose it, ran the job I get this... 29/09/2011 07:24:55 - connecting 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - Error bpbrm(pid=660) from client Server: aCC runtime: Use of -mt must be consistent during both compilation and linking. 29/09/2011 07:24:56 - connected; connect time: 00:00:01 29/09/2011 07:24:57 - end writing file read failed(13) Does anyone know if 6.5.6 Windows Master will allow a 6.5 client to run on this box? Also, did appear to me that maybe they need to download the latest update pack so its standard across the board. Any input appreciated. Thanks Regards Simon This e-mail was sent by GlaxoSmithKline Services Unlimited (registered in England and Wales No. 1047315), which is a member of the GlaxoSmithKline group of companies. The registered address of GlaxoSmithKline Services Unlimited is 980 Great West Road, Brentford, Middlesex TW8 9GS. Athena®, Created for the Cause™ Making a
Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith)
Wayne - You are looking at this from the wrong perspective. You need to be concerned about RESTORING your data. It does not matter how 'successful' your backups are if you cannot restore the data. IMHO you really need to get a DBA or 'someone' to sign off on your backup procedure, as well as test your restore, otherwise you are setting yourself up for a resume generating event... -- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:45:35 -0400 From: Wayne T Smith wtsm...@maine.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Message-ID: CAEgY-F6eSLSi=x0jjgfj9bf1key3jzjtzqdq2ztb_61of25...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ouch, having an Oracle database without a DBA is like having NetBackup without anyone that knows NetBackup. There are several ways to do backups of Oracle databases. These include - Cold, full. You take down the database and backup all associated disk space (data, redolog, and perhaps other types). - Cold backups do not require Oracle archivelog mode. - Restoration requires database down or restore to essentially identical setup on a like machine. - Restoration is to back to the time of your backup. - Note for all backup types: Your file system backups will exclude Oracle managed, as a file system backup of an online Oracle database is insufficient for recovery. Your file system backup should include the Oracle software home and certain other objects (control files, inventory, oraInst.loc, etc) ... not sure where these are on Windows. - Cold, RMAN level 0 and 1. You write a script that brings the database down, use RMAN to back it up, then start the database again. - Note for all RMAN backup types: RMAN is simply the Oracle utility to do backup and restore. - Whereas the above backups were simply of file system disk spaces while the database is down (perhaps using NetBackup or a disk copy utility), RMAN decides what data to copy, where to put it and keeps track where it has put the backup files. - RMAN writes its backups to disk or tape. While it is possible to have RMAN write to disk and then have NetBackup backup the file system data, this is awkward and restoration goes from a simple, automatic process to a time-consuming very difficult process if NetBackup has the data. - The Netbackup solution is to purchase a license that includes the Oracle Agent. This is a shim that gets installed in the Oracle software home. RMAN thinks it is backing up to tape (device type sbt_tape), but the shim captures the RMAN data and sends it on to your backup server. It doesn't matter if your backup server uses disk or tape ... everything back at the backup server is transparent to RMAN ... just like NetBackup file system backups. - Just like file system cold backups, you need to verify and practice various restore scenarios. RMAN gives you a much better chance to do the restore you need (and have the necessary backup objects available). - RMAN keeps track of the stuff it backs up. It has two methods. RMAN will put information about its backups in the Oracle database control files. RMAN also has a catalog feature, which means its backup information is stored in a database someplace. If you use the RMAN catalog, your restore scenarios are substantially enhanced. Using an RMAN catalog is NOT required by RMAN nor the Oracle Agent. - RMAN has its own retention schemes. Now you have 2 retentions to worry about ... if either the RMAN retention or the NetBackup retention period expires, your backup data is lost. - Hot - Hot backups are taken with the database online. Hot backups require archivelog mode set in the database, which means that changes to the database, as recorded in the redologs that any Oracle database has, are copied to archive redo logs. Archivelog mode along with database backups allow one to restore/recover to a point in time of your choice (that is, all committed changes at any point in time). Depending on your requirements, these archive redo logs must be saved for as far back as you might wish to do a restore. - Hot backups do not require RMAN. One may put an Oracle tablespace (collection of related data files) in backup mode, backup (by disk copy, NetBackup user backup, or whatever) and then remove backup mode. While this can be done I strongly suggest you don't, for I predict you will not be able to do the restore you want one day. - RMAN is the tool of choice for hot backups. Again, backup may be to RMAN disk or tape. - I backup many databases
[Veritas-bu] moving BMR images between netbackup environments
Hey All, Wondering if anyone knows of a way to move BMR data easily between environments? e.g. I've done a BMR backup in my production environment, and want to recover that server in my DR environment (which is actually a backup environment in its own right). Is there any way to export the contents of the BMR DB and import it back into my DR environment? I've been looking at bmrpans which looks like ti could potentially be used to dump out and import back in the config I need, but struggling to find a command set that will do it. Nic Solomons | Backup and Recovery Team Leader d: +44 (0)1784 211 134 | f: +44 (0)1784 211 200 e: nic.solom...@attenda.netmailto:nic.solom...@attenda.net | w: www.attenda.nethttp://www.attenda.net/ VMware EMEA Global Service Provider of the Year 2010 Attenda Limited is a limited company registered in England. Registered No: 03276974. Registered Office: One London Road, Staines, Middlesex, TW18 4EX The information contained in this e-mail and its attachments is confidential. It is intended only for the named address(es) and may not be disclosed to anyone else without Attenda's consent. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith)
I respectfully disagree in all respects. - Refusing to get a database backed up until management hires a DBA could be a resume generating event. - Like it or not, the questioner appears to be the Oracle DBA, albeit one very early in his DBA career and learning on his own! - [redacted] - Someone using NetBackup for as long as the questioner knows that a successful backup is not the same as being able to restore or meet expectations for recovery. - My post started with and ended with, essentially, you need a DBA. - My intended perspective was that if management leaves the DBA job to the questioner, then a little high level knowledge will let him focus on getting the database protected at an appropriate level as quickly as possible. - What I wrote may be right or wrong, the perspective may be right or wrong for various circumstances, but for how I read this circumstance, the comment is off-base and helpful only in giving me pause before again helping in this forum. If this was the commenter's purpose, it worked. - If the commenter wrote Wayne when he meant the questioner ... never mind. Wayne NetBackup administrator Oracle database administrator thin-skinned today, apparently On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:56 AM, David McMullin david.mcmul...@cbc-companies.com wrote, in part: Wayne - You are looking at this from the wrong perspective. You need to be concerned about RESTORING your data. It does not matter how 'successful' your backups are if you cannot restore the data. IMHO you really need to get a DBA or 'someone' to sign off on your backup procedure, as well as test your restore, otherwise you are setting yourself up for a resume generating event... ... ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] moving BMR images between netbackup environments
According to Symantec, BMR database can not moved between NetBackup domains. What I would try if I was you, is to move the BMR database files to the DR master server and override his BMR database (copy it first). If you can see the desired BMR data at the DR GUI, restore the client and at the end, replace the BMR database with the original. I do not know where the drives database is, so be sure you have them in the DR netbackup BMR. And you must be sour that NO backup are running during this procedure. As I have never test it consider this as brainstorming. You have to test it in a test environment first. stefanos From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Nic Solomons Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:21 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] moving BMR images between netbackup environments Hey All, Wondering if anyone knows of a way to move BMR data easily between environments? e.g. I've done a BMR backup in my production environment, and want to recover that server in my DR environment (which is actually a backup environment in its own right). Is there any way to export the contents of the BMR DB and import it back into my DR environment? I've been looking at bmrpans which looks like ti could potentially be used to dump out and import back in the config I need, but struggling to find a command set that will do it. Nic Solomons | Backup and Recovery Team Leader d: +44 (0)1784 211 134 | f: +44 (0)1784 211 200 e: nic.solom...@attenda.net | w: www.attenda.net http://www.attenda.net/ VMware EMEA Global Service Provider of the Year 2010 Attenda Limited is a limited company registered in England. Registered No: 03276974. Registered Office: One London Road, Staines, Middlesex, TW18 4EX The information contained in this e-mail and its attachments is confidential. It is intended only for the named address(es) and may not be disclosed to anyone else without Attenda's consent. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith)
It might not be your fault if they did it anyway but that might not keep them from blaming you. Apparently your career has been such that you've never had to work with PHBs or organizational recalcitrance. I daresay most of us haven't been as lucky as you. Also implying you can quickly find another job also ignores realities that sometimes occur (e.g. the tech bust of 2002 or the economic meltdown of 2008/2009). Sometimes you just have to grin and bear it. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:18 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith) Wow... sounds like accountability is in short supply. I work in I.T., it is not my job to tell management how to do theirs. If I was an electrician, and I told management they shouldn't plug more than 30A into a 30A outlet, and they did it anyway and then the breaker tripped, it wouldn't be my fault. And if they somehow caught the building on fire, I would still sleep well at night. I like to think I work together with management to analyze complex scenarios, explain them in simple terms, recommend paths for improvement, and let management decide what to do. Granted, every work environment is different. But if I had to save copies of CYA emails so I didn't lose my job over poor management decisions, that would be my resume generating event. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: Lightner, Jeff [mailto:jlight...@water.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:47 AM To: Martin, Jonathan; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith) Often enough marginally important becomes critically important only after it fails. Usually that is when the admin faces the firing squad because management is never going to admit THEY didn't see it as important before the failure. If it is important enough to backup then it is important enough to test the restore. Telling folks later that it didn't seem important to you is NOT going to be the correct answer especially if they instructed you to do the backup in the first place. The best you can do is to write an email to your management explaining the issues and keep a copy of it (and better yet any response) for CYA. Even then it doesn't always help. In one environment we repeatedly told management about lack of backup being an issue and they repeatedly let us know that they didn't see it as an issue. When it finally failed the response we got back from on high was You weren't forceful enough in saying it was important. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:33 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith) While I agree that someone could face the firing squad if a certain database backed critical application failed and there was no restore capability, this may not be *that* application. Let's face it, if this application isn't critical enough to bring in a DBA, even as a contractor, and they didn't pay for implementation services with backups, then this application may just be marginally important. I would come up with and test some sort of restore scenario and set your management's expectations. That scenario does not need to be 24x7 snapshot based point in time restore with tape backup to provide recovery. Perhaps you take down the DB once a week to do a full, and the expectation is that if the database goes down you can lose up to a weeks' worth of data. Perhaps you supplement with snapshots, or database exports. Either way, Wayne's write-up is a great place to start. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of David McMullin Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:57 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Cc: wtsm...@maine.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith) Wayne - You are looking at this from the wrong perspective. You need to be concerned about RESTORING your data. It does not matter how 'successful' your backups are if you cannot restore the data. IMHO you really need to get a DBA or 'someone' to sign off on your backup procedure, as well as test your restore, otherwise you are setting yourself up for a resume generating event... -- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:45:35 -0400 From: Wayne T Smith wtsm...@maine.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Message-ID: CAEgY-F6eSLSi=x0jjgfj9bf1key3jzjtzqdq2ztb_61of25...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain;
[Veritas-bu] Senior NetBackup Admin Needed
I am looking for a Senior Data Protection Admin/Architect with NetBackup skills. This is a full time position in San Diego, CA. Email if you are interested. mo...@qualcomm.com ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith)
Ive left my issues to the Management and DBA's - They will look at it when time permits. NetBackup and myself have moved away from this !! Left it down to them to manage it so I will just grab a flatfile backup. Far as I am concerned I covered my back ! -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Lightner, Jeff Sent: 29 September 2011 18:59 To: Martin, Jonathan; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith) It might not be your fault if they did it anyway but that might not keep them from blaming you. Apparently your career has been such that you've never had to work with PHBs or organizational recalcitrance. I daresay most of us haven't been as lucky as you. Also implying you can quickly find another job also ignores realities that sometimes occur (e.g. the tech bust of 2002 or the economic meltdown of 2008/2009). Sometimes you just have to grin and bear it. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:18 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith) Wow... sounds like accountability is in short supply. I work in I.T., it is not my job to tell management how to do theirs. If I was an electrician, and I told management they shouldn't plug more than 30A into a 30A outlet, and they did it anyway and then the breaker tripped, it wouldn't be my fault. And if they somehow caught the building on fire, I would still sleep well at night. I like to think I work together with management to analyze complex scenarios, explain them in simple terms, recommend paths for improvement, and let management decide what to do. Granted, every work environment is different. But if I had to save copies of CYA emails so I didn't lose my job over poor management decisions, that would be my resume generating event. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: Lightner, Jeff [mailto:jlight...@water.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:47 AM To: Martin, Jonathan; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith) Often enough marginally important becomes critically important only after it fails. Usually that is when the admin faces the firing squad because management is never going to admit THEY didn't see it as important before the failure. If it is important enough to backup then it is important enough to test the restore. Telling folks later that it didn't seem important to you is NOT going to be the correct answer especially if they instructed you to do the backup in the first place. The best you can do is to write an email to your management explaining the issues and keep a copy of it (and better yet any response) for CYA. Even then it doesn't always help. In one environment we repeatedly told management about lack of backup being an issue and they repeatedly let us know that they didn't see it as an issue. When it finally failed the response we got back from on high was You weren't forceful enough in saying it was important. -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:33 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith) While I agree that someone could face the firing squad if a certain database backed critical application failed and there was no restore capability, this may not be *that* application. Let's face it, if this application isn't critical enough to bring in a DBA, even as a contractor, and they didn't pay for implementation services with backups, then this application may just be marginally important. I would come up with and test some sort of restore scenario and set your management's expectations. That scenario does not need to be 24x7 snapshot based point in time restore with tape backup to provide recovery. Perhaps you take down the DB once a week to do a full, and the expectation is that if the database goes down you can lose up to a weeks' worth of data. Perhaps you supplement with snapshots, or database exports. Either way, Wayne's write-up is a great place to start. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of David McMullin Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:57 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Cc: wtsm...@maine.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith) Wayne - You are looking at this from the wrong perspective. You need to be concerned about RESTORING your data. It does not matter how
Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups
Wayne - you are right - I totally misread the message thread, my comments were addressed to the original questioner. Your comments were an excellent summation of the options to backup the data. My comments were basically meant to indicate that how you want to restore the data, and where, will direct your backup plan. Also, the hardware and application limitations impact it. Mea culpa Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:37:00 -0400 From: Wayne T Smith wtsm...@maine.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Question on DB online backups (Wayne T Smith) To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Message-ID: caegy-f5dxock8ouxrjb93k_e4cmtdkgjvvbua2dcsizeva3...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I respectfully disagree in all respects. - Refusing to get a database backed up until management hires a DBA could be a resume generating event. - Like it or not, the questioner appears to be the Oracle DBA, albeit one very early in his DBA career and learning on his own! - [redacted] - Someone using NetBackup for as long as the questioner knows that a successful backup is not the same as being able to restore or meet expectations for recovery. - My post started with and ended with, essentially, you need a DBA. - My intended perspective was that if management leaves the DBA job to the questioner, then a little high level knowledge will let him focus on getting the database protected at an appropriate level as quickly as possible. - What I wrote may be right or wrong, the perspective may be right or wrong for various circumstances, but for how I read this circumstance, the comment is off-base and helpful only in giving me pause before again helping in this forum. If this was the commenter's purpose, it worked. - If the commenter wrote Wayne when he meant the questioner ... never mind. Wayne NetBackup administrator Oracle database administrator thin-skinned today, apparently ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Syncsort NSB vs Netbackup?
Thanks for your reply Rusty, I myself being NBU centric am against this and just trying to build a case to my managment to stay on NBU. I do not think it will happen but just covering my bases. Thanks Don I'd be interested in hearing your drivers for moving away from NBU. That might help others form a better response. -Rusty -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of dejohn61 Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 4:56 PM To: VERITAS-BU at MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] Syncsort NSB vs Netbackup? I would like to know if anyone has any information on Syncsort NSB? Pros and Cons, would anyone consider leaving Netbackup to go to Syncsort NSB on NetApp in a large enterprise? +-- |This was sent by don.john...@watson.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Syncsort NSB vs Netbackup?
Hi Ken, Yes I would have to use there snap capabilities with the dedup so I believe they consider that synthetic fulls. after the initial full data set. I am pushing for a Data Domain solution the dedup ratio is much better, and to answer your second question, That is one of my main arguments is getting rid of media servers to let the clients do all the work in our environment is really scary thought. So out of the 2 responses I received, I am very comfortable staying with NBU and a DD dedup solution. We also would have stuff we could not move over like AIX oracle and AIX Unix Thanks for your input and any other Syncsort info is more than welcome Don Two questions for you: 1) Do/Would you use synthetic fulls (Syncsort does incrementals forever)? 2) Do your clients have the horsepower to handle source side deduplication? We could not move as there are some legacy systems they do not fully support in our environment. Ken -Original Message- From: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu- bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of dejohn61 Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 4:56 PM To: VERITAS-BU at MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN.EDU Subject: [Veritas-bu] Syncsort NSB vs Netbackup? I would like to know if anyone has any information on Syncsort NSB? Pro's and Con's, would anyone consider leaving Netbackup to go to Syncsort NSB on NetApp in a large enterprise? +-- |This was sent by don.john...@watson.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
