Re: [Veritas-bu] AFS backups / restores with Solaris or Linux

2010-04-08 Thread Gary Gatling

Greetings,

Thanks for the suggestion. I tried looking for a NetBackup 5.0 Linux 
client and I couldn't find one. So thats that.

I also tried installing a NetBackup 7.0 server and two 7.0 clients. One on 
Solaris 10 and one on RHEL 5.

I still get tons of fail on Linux with this setup. I actually tried using 
strings to see of I could find and references to vos commands buried 
within the bpbkar executables on either platform. On solaris there were 
12 lines of vos commands I could identify. Stuff like this:

Not updated since full, skipped running vos dump for %s

On the Linux client there were only 2 lines. So it seems the Linux 
executable was never compiled with many of the AFS features. No wonder it 
doesn't work!

I also tried calling Symantec technical support to report this bug and 
they said I would be getting a call back about this issue. But I am 
thinking this is just not going to ever work. They sent me to this pdf 
file that says openAFS support is only for Solaris 8 SPARC. Lovely... 
EOLed os.

I have just found out that it seems that our university is looking into 
teradactyl 
(http://www.teradactyl.com/backup-solutions/backup-platforms/openafs-backup.html)
 
since it seems they actually support AFS. Yay. Hopefully this other 
solution will work out better and we won't have to pay so much for the 
backup software.

Thanks for the replys about this. At least I have an answer now. And the 
answer seems to be switch companies or roll your own solution. :)

Gary Gatling  | ITECS Systems
ITECS, BOX 7901   | Operations and Systems Analyst
NCSU, Raleigh, NC | Email: gsgat...@eos.ncsu.edu
27695-7901| Phone: (919) 513-4572 (5C Page Hall)

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Ron Jack (Systems Network) wrote:

 I have zero experience with AFS, so your post piqued my curiosity. Plus,
 I'm just down the street, so I thought I'd try to assist a neighbor.

 Total stab in the dark - try the 5.0 client.

 It certainly appears AFS support is dodgy and that Veritas doesn't want
 to hear about it. So, yes, most folks seem to split the difference by
 scripting out the vos dump and backing that up. From the openAFS
 mailing list archive:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/openafs-i...@openafs.org/msg20079.html

 That link at the top of the page to the scripts still works. Wheel
 invented, as it were.

 Ron


 Gary Gatling wrote:
 Greeetings,

 At my work we use several AFS file servers for storage. We have been using
 netbackup to backup and restore these servers for many years. They are
 all running on Solaris 10 on SPARC hardware.

 We would love it if it would be possible to switch to using Red Hat
 Enterprise Linux for these AFS servers. The SPARC stuff is just too
 expensive. And their is the uncertanty about Oracle's takover. I do
 actually use RHEL 5 to run some AFS servers that don't need to be backup
 up...

 When I last tried setting up a server and doing a backup/ restore with a
 test AFS file server running under RHEL 5, it did not work. Restores from
 a backup done on a SPARC system worked on Linux. But a backup would not
 work. Instead of backing up the /vicepa patition volumes it tried to
 backup all the actual files on the /vicepa partition. On our Solaris and
 Linux AFS fileservers we are using namei type AFS fileservers.

 The files have names like:

 /vicepa/AFSIDat/R1/R5y0U/+/+/06

 these files contain the actual data that is used by the AFS volumes. It
 shouldn't be backing those up. Instead it should be doing a vos dump
 command to copy the .backup volume.

 The backup selection in the client is:

 /vicep[a-z]

 I was wondering how I could go about reporting this bug? Any chance it
 could ever be fixed? I have been told netbackup does and doesn't
 support AFS fileservers any longer... I'd hate to have to cobble together
 our own backup solution when netbackup has been working so well all these
 years.

 The versions of netbackup client I tried were:

 netbackup 5.1, 7M.

 netbackup 6.0, 4M.

 netbackup 6.5.3.1.

 The version of afs we are using on our servers is 1.4.11.

 I was told by a Linux sysadmin I know that this used to work with RHEL 3.
 But he didn't provide any further details such as the version of
 netbackup client it used to work with.

 Another group has taken over our backups and soon I will not have access
 to a tape robot any more or a netbackup server. After that I will only
 have access to the clients. As for the group taking over our backups
 their blanket answers are: AFS + netbackup will only be supported and
 work on solaris 8 which is rubbish since I have many Solaris 10 systems
 and it works just fine. Solaris 8 was end of lifed so I know using it
 forever is not a realistic answer either. Our Sun hardware is out of
 warranty and getting older every day.

 I know a lot of other services have moved away from UNIX to Linux over the
 years so it should be possible for this last one of our dependencies to
 get fixed if symantec still supports afs. Thats the big if I 

[Veritas-bu] AFS backups / restores with Solaris or Linux

2010-03-31 Thread Gary Gatling

Greeetings,

At my work we use several AFS file servers for storage. We have been using 
netbackup to backup and restore these servers for many years. They are 
all running on Solaris 10 on SPARC hardware.

We would love it if it would be possible to switch to using Red Hat 
Enterprise Linux for these AFS servers. The SPARC stuff is just too 
expensive. And their is the uncertanty about Oracle's takover. I do 
actually use RHEL 5 to run some AFS servers that don't need to be backup 
up...

When I last tried setting up a server and doing a backup/ restore with a 
test AFS file server running under RHEL 5, it did not work. Restores from 
a backup done on a SPARC system worked on Linux. But a backup would not 
work. Instead of backing up the /vicepa patition volumes it tried to 
backup all the actual files on the /vicepa partition. On our Solaris and 
Linux AFS fileservers we are using namei type AFS fileservers.

The files have names like:

/vicepa/AFSIDat/R1/R5y0U/+/+/06

these files contain the actual data that is used by the AFS volumes. It 
shouldn't be backing those up. Instead it should be doing a vos dump 
command to copy the .backup volume.

The backup selection in the client is:

/vicep[a-z]

I was wondering how I could go about reporting this bug? Any chance it 
could ever be fixed? I have been told netbackup does and doesn't 
support AFS fileservers any longer... I'd hate to have to cobble together 
our own backup solution when netbackup has been working so well all these 
years.

The versions of netbackup client I tried were:

netbackup 5.1, 7M.

netbackup 6.0, 4M.

netbackup 6.5.3.1.

The version of afs we are using on our servers is 1.4.11.

I was told by a Linux sysadmin I know that this used to work with RHEL 3. 
But he didn't provide any further details such as the version of 
netbackup client it used to work with.

Another group has taken over our backups and soon I will not have access 
to a tape robot any more or a netbackup server. After that I will only 
have access to the clients. As for the group taking over our backups 
their blanket answers are: AFS + netbackup will only be supported and 
work on solaris 8 which is rubbish since I have many Solaris 10 systems 
and it works just fine. Solaris 8 was end of lifed so I know using it 
forever is not a realistic answer either. Our Sun hardware is out of 
warranty and getting older every day.

I know a lot of other services have moved away from UNIX to Linux over the 
years so it should be possible for this last one of our dependencies to 
get fixed if symantec still supports afs. Thats the big if I guess.

I tried asking about this topic on the openAFS mailing lists but was told 
symantec didn't care about AFS support on Linux and that we should cobble 
together our own solution. I fear this is not an option and that 
in the end taxpayers dolars will be wasted on expensive Sun hardware if 
this is the only asnwer. We also can't dich AFS yet.

Thanks for any ideas anyone might have.

Gary Gatling  | ITECS Systems
ITECS, BOX 7901   | Operations and Systems Analyst
NCSU, Raleigh, NC | Email: gsgat...@eos.ncsu.edu
27695-7901| Phone: (919) 513-4572 (5C Page Hall)
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Re: [Veritas-bu] AFS backups / restores with Solaris or Linux

2010-03-31 Thread Ed Wilts
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Ron Jack (Systems Network) rj...@nando.com
 wrote:

 I have zero experience with AFS, so your post piqued my curiosity. Plus,
 I'm just down the street, so I thought I'd try to assist a neighbor.

 Total stab in the dark - try the 5.0 client.


When you upgrade your master to 7.0, you will lose support for 5.0 clients:
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/334273.htm

I have no idea if they'll continue to work, but you will lose support
(although I doubt if you can actually get support on a 5.0 client these days
anyway).  The 6.0 Unix admin guide has AFS info:
ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/279264.pdf.


The 6.0 guide does say:

 AFS is no longer available from IBM and IBM has announced that AFS support
 will end on April 30, 2006. AFS was not tested with NetBackup 6.0 clients
 and will not be supported. AFS will continue to be supported with NetBackup
 5.x clients running under 5.x or 6.0 servers.


   .../Ed

Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE
ewi...@ewilts.org
Linkedi http://www.linkedin.com/in/ewilts
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