Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

2009-06-09 Thread Boris Kraizman
2009/6/8 Donaldson, Mark mark.donald...@staples.com

 I have done a full system restore, or attempted to, and it doesn't work.

 Somewhere along the way, you start over-writing the library files linked
 into the running bpbkar executable and then the restore will die.

This is not quite true. If you use NetBackup w2koption, and it doesn't
replace the system files right away, it will replace once you reboot the
system for the first time. You would still have to match your OS version and
the backup agent on the restore client with the original backed up system.
If you had Windows 2003 SP1 and you do the restore on Windows 2003 SP2, then
it won't work.

Here is the technical note for it
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/251163.htm



 BMR is an exception, but just doing a full restore from root downward
 doesn't work.

 -M

 -Original Message-
 From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:
 veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Markham
 Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:50 AM
 To: Boris Kraizman
 Cc: John Nardello; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

 Thanks All.

 Pretty much exactly what i was thinking, so its good to know i'm not
 loosing my marbles.

 Problem was i wasn't consulted at design time.

 We are doing a proof of concept as the design has already been
 approved apparently and we shouldn't be changing it on theories. Pah.

 I can't wait for the big fat Told you So!

 Even if it works on one box its not going to work on all 6 i'm sure, and
 even if it does i'm not signing off on it for SLA for support team as
 its not a way to be doing a fully supported DR approach.

 Cheers


 Boris Kraizman wrote:
  I found the best way is to build the OS to match the original, then
  recover all data including system files via NetBackup. I do have BMR
  configured, but the sequential order for restore will take much longer
  then OS, and then full systems restore on top. I don't do BMR for
  Solaris and Linux systems at all, just a full system backups and then
  OS build with data restores. It works well on Windows with full
  systems restore including the regsitry and system state, no really a
  problem with diffirent hardware, there are some tricks anywhere. You
  would need de-select a few system files, use w2koption per the tech
  note, and you will be fine.
 
  Boris Kraizman
 
  On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Mark Glazerman
  mark.glazer...@spartech.com mailto:mark.glazer...@spartech.com
 wrote:
 
  We tested this and you are right that you will likely run into
  problems doing an entire system restore via netbackup. Even with
  the best will in the world, there is bound to be some kind of
  configuration file which will mess things up on the running system
  during the restore. Will the servers at site 2 be the same
  architecture / patch level / NICS etc ? Unless you have everything
  100% the same you'll run into snags. Also... make sure that when
  you lay the data down you don't lay down the Netbackup files or
  you'll hose your restore (as we found out !!).
 
  If the servers will have identical names and IP's etc... why not
  just build them as if they were the servers in your home data
  center but with duplicate (but empty) file systems. In a DR
  situation all you'd need to restore would be your data files into
  those empty filesystems. The OS stuff would be as if they were
  your servers in your home data center.
 
  Mark Glazerman
  Desk: 314-889-8282
  Cell: 618-520-3401
  狭 please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
  mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
  [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
  mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of
  John Nardello
  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:37 PM
  To: dave.mark...@fjserv.net mailto:dave.mark...@fjserv.net;
  veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
  mailto:veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
  Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.
 
  Most servers get really ticked off if you try to overwrite the
  running OS files - assuming they'll let you do it at all. Probably
  because an overwrite is effectively a delete and then create. So
  great, what happens when you restore that critical library file
  that Solaris was using to run ? Or heck, when you restore bpbkar ?
  Or inetd ?
 
  If the CSA guy refuses to back down though, no sweat, ask for a
  proof of concept test. Let's see what really happens when we do
  it this way. If only because it ought to be fun to see exactly
  how messed up the destination server gets. =) And don't sign off
  on it as the full DR method until you get one.
 
  Bare metal restores != file

Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

2009-06-09 Thread Donaldson, Mark
That's a cool option, I'll have to look into it.
 
However, in this case, the OP is working with Solaris boxen and those are the 
ones I murdered by doing a full restore.  
 
You can do work arounds - restore to an alternate path, mess with the mount 
table to change what's the root filesystem device and reboot.  But simply doing 
a jumpstart or other simply restore and then writing over the running OS with 
an on-tape OS doesn't work.
 
-M



From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Boris Kraizman
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:29 PM
To: Donaldson, Mark
Cc: dave.mark...@fjserv.net; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; John Nardello
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.




2009/6/8 Donaldson, Mark mark.donald...@staples.com


I have done a full system restore, or attempted to, and it doesn't work.

Somewhere along the way, you start over-writing the library files 
linked into the running bpbkar executable and then the restore will die.

This is not quite true. If you use NetBackup w2koption, and it doesn't replace 
the system files right away, it will replace once you reboot the system for the 
first time. You would still have to match your OS version and the backup agent 
on the restore client with the original backed up system. If you had Windows 
2003 SP1 and you do the restore on Windows 2003 SP2, then it won't work. 

Here is the technical note for it 
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/251163.htm




BMR is an exception, but just doing a full restore from root downward 
doesn't work.

-M


-Original Message-
From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Markham
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:50 AM
To: Boris Kraizman
Cc: John Nardello; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

Thanks All.

Pretty much exactly what i was thinking, so its good to know i'm not
loosing my marbles.

Problem was i wasn't consulted at design time.

We are doing a proof of concept as the design has already been
approved apparently and we shouldn't be changing it on theories. Pah.

I can't wait for the big fat Told you So!

Even if it works on one box its not going to work on all 6 i'm sure, and
even if it does i'm not signing off on it for SLA for support team as
its not a way to be doing a fully supported DR approach.

Cheers


Boris Kraizman wrote:
 I found the best way is to build the OS to match the original, then
 recover all data including system files via NetBackup. I do have BMR
 configured, but the sequential order for restore will take much longer
 then OS, and then full systems restore on top. I don't do BMR for
 Solaris and Linux systems at all, just a full system backups and then
 OS build with data restores. It works well on Windows with full
 systems restore including the regsitry and system state, no really a
 problem with diffirent hardware, there are some tricks anywhere. You
 would need de-select a few system files, use w2koption per the tech
 note, and you will be fine.

 Boris Kraizman

 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Mark Glazerman
 mark.glazer...@spartech.com mailto:mark.glazer...@spartech.com 
wrote:

 We tested this and you are right that you will likely run into
 problems doing an entire system restore via netbackup. Even with
 the best will in the world, there is bound to be some kind of
 configuration file which will mess things up on the running system
 during the restore. Will the servers at site 2 be the same
 architecture / patch level / NICS etc ? Unless you have everything
 100% the same you'll run into snags. Also... make sure that when
 you lay the data down you don't lay down the Netbackup files or
 you'll hose your restore (as we found out !!).

 If the servers will have identical names and IP's etc... why not
 just build them as if they were the servers in your home data
 center but with duplicate (but empty) file systems. In a DR
 situation all you'd need to restore would be your data files into
 those empty filesystems. The OS stuff would be as if they were
 your servers in your home data center.

 Mark Glazerman
 Desk: 314-889-8282
 Cell: 618-520-3401
 狭 please don't print this e-mail

Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

2009-06-08 Thread Donaldson, Mark
I have done a full system restore, or attempted to, and it doesn't work.

Somewhere along the way, you start over-writing the library files linked into 
the running bpbkar executable and then the restore will die.

BMR is an exception, but just doing a full restore from root downward doesn't 
work.

-M 

-Original Message-
From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Markham
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:50 AM
To: Boris Kraizman
Cc: John Nardello; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

Thanks All.

Pretty much exactly what i was thinking, so its good to know i'm not 
loosing my marbles.

Problem was i wasn't consulted at design time.

We are doing a proof of concept as the design has already been 
approved apparently and we shouldn't be changing it on theories. Pah.

I can't wait for the big fat Told you So!

Even if it works on one box its not going to work on all 6 i'm sure, and 
even if it does i'm not signing off on it for SLA for support team as 
its not a way to be doing a fully supported DR approach.

Cheers


Boris Kraizman wrote:
 I found the best way is to build the OS to match the original, then 
 recover all data including system files via NetBackup. I do have BMR 
 configured, but the sequential order for restore will take much longer 
 then OS, and then full systems restore on top. I don't do BMR for 
 Solaris and Linux systems at all, just a full system backups and then 
 OS build with data restores. It works well on Windows with full 
 systems restore including the regsitry and system state, no really a 
 problem with diffirent hardware, there are some tricks anywhere. You 
 would need de-select a few system files, use w2koption per the tech 
 note, and you will be fine.

 Boris Kraizman

 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Mark Glazerman 
 mark.glazer...@spartech.com mailto:mark.glazer...@spartech.com wrote:

 We tested this and you are right that you will likely run into
 problems doing an entire system restore via netbackup. Even with
 the best will in the world, there is bound to be some kind of
 configuration file which will mess things up on the running system
 during the restore. Will the servers at site 2 be the same
 architecture / patch level / NICS etc ? Unless you have everything
 100% the same you'll run into snags. Also... make sure that when
 you lay the data down you don't lay down the Netbackup files or
 you'll hose your restore (as we found out !!).

 If the servers will have identical names and IP's etc... why not
 just build them as if they were the servers in your home data
 center but with duplicate (but empty) file systems. In a DR
 situation all you'd need to restore would be your data files into
 those empty filesystems. The OS stuff would be as if they were
 your servers in your home data center.

 Mark Glazerman
 Desk: 314-889-8282
 Cell: 618-520-3401
 狭 please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to


 -Original Message-
 From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of
 John Nardello
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:37 PM
 To: dave.mark...@fjserv.net mailto:dave.mark...@fjserv.net;
 veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

 Most servers get really ticked off if you try to overwrite the
 running OS files - assuming they'll let you do it at all. Probably
 because an overwrite is effectively a delete and then create. So
 great, what happens when you restore that critical library file
 that Solaris was using to run ? Or heck, when you restore bpbkar ?
 Or inetd ?

 If the CSA guy refuses to back down though, no sweat, ask for a
 proof of concept test. Let's see what really happens when we do
 it this way. If only because it ought to be fun to see exactly
 how messed up the destination server gets. =) And don't sign off
 on it as the full DR method until you get one.

 Bare metal restores != file-level restores.

 - John Nardello

 -Original Message-
 From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of
 Dave Markham
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:50 AM
 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

 Guys i'm after a bit of backup as am perhaps doubting myself now.

 I'm having a bit

Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

2009-06-03 Thread Dave Markham
Thanks All.

Pretty much exactly what i was thinking, so its good to know i'm not 
loosing my marbles.

Problem was i wasn't consulted at design time.

We are doing a proof of concept as the design has already been 
approved apparently and we shouldn't be changing it on theories. Pah.

I can't wait for the big fat Told you So!

Even if it works on one box its not going to work on all 6 i'm sure, and 
even if it does i'm not signing off on it for SLA for support team as 
its not a way to be doing a fully supported DR approach.

Cheers


Boris Kraizman wrote:
 I found the best way is to build the OS to match the original, then 
 recover all data including system files via NetBackup. I do have BMR 
 configured, but the sequential order for restore will take much longer 
 then OS, and then full systems restore on top. I don't do BMR for 
 Solaris and Linux systems at all, just a full system backups and then 
 OS build with data restores. It works well on Windows with full 
 systems restore including the regsitry and system state, no really a 
 problem with diffirent hardware, there are some tricks anywhere. You 
 would need de-select a few system files, use w2koption per the tech 
 note, and you will be fine.

 Boris Kraizman

 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Mark Glazerman 
 mark.glazer...@spartech.com mailto:mark.glazer...@spartech.com wrote:

 We tested this and you are right that you will likely run into
 problems doing an entire system restore via netbackup. Even with
 the best will in the world, there is bound to be some kind of
 configuration file which will mess things up on the running system
 during the restore. Will the servers at site 2 be the same
 architecture / patch level / NICS etc ? Unless you have everything
 100% the same you'll run into snags. Also... make sure that when
 you lay the data down you don't lay down the Netbackup files or
 you'll hose your restore (as we found out !!).

 If the servers will have identical names and IP's etc... why not
 just build them as if they were the servers in your home data
 center but with duplicate (but empty) file systems. In a DR
 situation all you'd need to restore would be your data files into
 those empty filesystems. The OS stuff would be as if they were
 your servers in your home data center.

 Mark Glazerman
 Desk: 314-889-8282
 Cell: 618-520-3401
 狭 please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to


 -Original Message-
 From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of
 John Nardello
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:37 PM
 To: dave.mark...@fjserv.net mailto:dave.mark...@fjserv.net;
 veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

 Most servers get really ticked off if you try to overwrite the
 running OS files - assuming they'll let you do it at all. Probably
 because an overwrite is effectively a delete and then create. So
 great, what happens when you restore that critical library file
 that Solaris was using to run ? Or heck, when you restore bpbkar ?
 Or inetd ?

 If the CSA guy refuses to back down though, no sweat, ask for a
 proof of concept test. Let's see what really happens when we do
 it this way. If only because it ought to be fun to see exactly
 how messed up the destination server gets. =) And don't sign off
 on it as the full DR method until you get one.

 Bare metal restores != file-level restores.

 - John Nardello

 -Original Message-
 From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of
 Dave Markham
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:50 AM
 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 mailto:veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

 Guys i'm after a bit of backup as am perhaps doubting myself now.

 I'm having a bit of a row with a CSA (solutions architect) at our
 company.

 A backup design has been done where 2 sites have Solaris clients
 configured with the same name and ip, and one site is just
 disconnected
 from the network.
 There is a Netbackup Server 6.5.3 (Windows) which backs up the
 connected clients from site 1.

 What they want for a DR test is this :-

 1. Disconnect the clients from site1 on the network.
 2. Enable the network connections of clients on site2 (with same name
 and ip of site1 clients)
 3. Restore to the running Solaris server through netbackup of a client

[Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

2009-06-02 Thread Dave Markham
Guys i'm after a bit of backup as am perhaps doubting myself now.

I'm having a bit of a row with a CSA (solutions architect) at our company.

A backup design has been done where 2 sites have Solaris clients 
configured with the same name and ip, and one site is just disconnected 
from the network.
There is a Netbackup Server  6.5.3 (Windows) which backs up the 
connected clients from site 1.

What they want for a DR test is this :-

1. Disconnect the clients from site1 on the network.
2. Enable the network connections of clients on site2 (with same name 
and ip of site1 clients)
3. Restore to the running Solaris server through netbackup of a client 
image taken on site 1.

My understanding was you wouldn't ever try and restore a whole system 
from file system based backups to a running solaris OS. Is that correct 
still?

I also can see all sorts of problems having the client names the same 
and same ips. Arp tables etc. I'd personally have the client names 
referenced differently in Netbackup regardless of the hostnames which 
could be the same?

Cheers
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

2009-06-02 Thread John Nardello
Most servers get really ticked off if you try to overwrite the running OS files 
- assuming they'll let you do it at all. Probably because an overwrite is 
effectively a delete and then create. So great, what happens when you restore 
that critical library file that Solaris was using to run ? Or heck, when you 
restore bpbkar ? Or inetd ? 

If the CSA guy refuses to back down though, no sweat, ask for a proof of 
concept test. Let's see what really happens when we do it this way. If only 
because it ought to be fun to see exactly how messed up the destination server 
gets. =) And don't sign off on it as the full DR method until you get one. 

Bare metal restores != file-level restores.

- John Nardello

-Original Message-
From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Markham
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:50 AM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

Guys i'm after a bit of backup as am perhaps doubting myself now.

I'm having a bit of a row with a CSA (solutions architect) at our company.

A backup design has been done where 2 sites have Solaris clients 
configured with the same name and ip, and one site is just disconnected 
from the network.
There is a Netbackup Server  6.5.3 (Windows) which backs up the 
connected clients from site 1.

What they want for a DR test is this :-

1. Disconnect the clients from site1 on the network.
2. Enable the network connections of clients on site2 (with same name 
and ip of site1 clients)
3. Restore to the running Solaris server through netbackup of a client 
image taken on site 1.

My understanding was you wouldn't ever try and restore a whole system 
from file system based backups to a running solaris OS. Is that correct 
still?

I also can see all sorts of problems having the client names the same 
and same ips. Arp tables etc. I'd personally have the client names 
referenced differently in Netbackup regardless of the hostnames which 
could be the same?

Cheers
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

2009-06-02 Thread Mark Glazerman
We tested this and you are right that you will likely run into problems doing 
an entire system restore via netbackup.  Even with the best will in the world, 
there is bound to be some kind of configuration file which will mess things up 
on the running system during the restore.  Will the servers at site 2 be the 
same architecture / patch level / NICS etc ?  Unless you have everything 100% 
the same you'll run into snags.  Also... make sure that when you lay the data 
down you don't lay down the Netbackup files or you'll hose your restore (as we 
found out !!).

If the servers will have identical names and IP's etc... why not just build 
them as if they were the servers in your home data center but with duplicate 
(but empty) file systems.  In a DR situation all you'd need to restore would be 
your data files into those empty filesystems.  The OS stuff would be as if they 
were your servers in your home data center.

Mark Glazerman
Desk: 314-889-8282
Cell: 618-520-3401
 please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to


-Original Message-
From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of John Nardello
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:37 PM
To: dave.mark...@fjserv.net; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

Most servers get really ticked off if you try to overwrite the running OS files 
- assuming they'll let you do it at all. Probably because an overwrite is 
effectively a delete and then create. So great, what happens when you restore 
that critical library file that Solaris was using to run ? Or heck, when you 
restore bpbkar ? Or inetd ? 

If the CSA guy refuses to back down though, no sweat, ask for a proof of 
concept test. Let's see what really happens when we do it this way. If only 
because it ought to be fun to see exactly how messed up the destination server 
gets. =) And don't sign off on it as the full DR method until you get one. 

Bare metal restores != file-level restores.

- John Nardello

-Original Message-
From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Markham
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:50 AM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

Guys i'm after a bit of backup as am perhaps doubting myself now.

I'm having a bit of a row with a CSA (solutions architect) at our company.

A backup design has been done where 2 sites have Solaris clients 
configured with the same name and ip, and one site is just disconnected 
from the network.
There is a Netbackup Server  6.5.3 (Windows) which backs up the 
connected clients from site 1.

What they want for a DR test is this :-

1. Disconnect the clients from site1 on the network.
2. Enable the network connections of clients on site2 (with same name 
and ip of site1 clients)
3. Restore to the running Solaris server through netbackup of a client 
image taken on site 1.

My understanding was you wouldn't ever try and restore a whole system 
from file system based backups to a running solaris OS. Is that correct 
still?

I also can see all sorts of problems having the client names the same 
and same ips. Arp tables etc. I'd personally have the client names 
referenced differently in Netbackup regardless of the hostnames which 
could be the same?

Cheers
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

2009-06-02 Thread Boris Kraizman
I found the best way is to build the OS to match the original, then recover
all data including system files via NetBackup. I do have BMR configured, but
the sequential order for restore will take much longer then OS, and then
full systems restore on top. I don't do BMR for Solaris and Linux systems at
all, just a full system backups and then OS build with data restores. It
works well on Windows with full systems restore including the regsitry and
system state, no really a problem with diffirent hardware, there are some
tricks anywhere. You would need de-select a few system files, use w2koption
per the tech note, and you will be fine.

Boris Kraizman

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Mark Glazerman
mark.glazer...@spartech.comwrote:

 We tested this and you are right that you will likely run into problems
 doing an entire system restore via netbackup.  Even with the best will in
 the world, there is bound to be some kind of configuration file which will
 mess things up on the running system during the restore.  Will the servers
 at site 2 be the same architecture / patch level / NICS etc ?  Unless you
 have everything 100% the same you'll run into snags.  Also... make sure that
 when you lay the data down you don't lay down the Netbackup files or you'll
 hose your restore (as we found out !!).

 If the servers will have identical names and IP's etc... why not just build
 them as if they were the servers in your home data center but with duplicate
 (but empty) file systems.  In a DR situation all you'd need to restore would
 be your data files into those empty filesystems.  The OS stuff would be as
 if they were your servers in your home data center.

 Mark Glazerman
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 -Original Message-
 From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:
 veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of John Nardello
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:37 PM
 To: dave.mark...@fjserv.net; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

 Most servers get really ticked off if you try to overwrite the running OS
 files - assuming they'll let you do it at all. Probably because an overwrite
 is effectively a delete and then create. So great, what happens when you
 restore that critical library file that Solaris was using to run ? Or heck,
 when you restore bpbkar ? Or inetd ?

 If the CSA guy refuses to back down though, no sweat, ask for a proof of
 concept test. Let's see what really happens when we do it this way. If
 only because it ought to be fun to see exactly how messed up the destination
 server gets. =) And don't sign off on it as the full DR method until you get
 one.

 Bare metal restores != file-level restores.

 - John Nardello

 -Original Message-
 From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:
 veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Markham
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:50 AM
 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
 Subject: [Veritas-bu] Can you reassure my understanding.

 Guys i'm after a bit of backup as am perhaps doubting myself now.

 I'm having a bit of a row with a CSA (solutions architect) at our company.

 A backup design has been done where 2 sites have Solaris clients
 configured with the same name and ip, and one site is just disconnected
 from the network.
 There is a Netbackup Server  6.5.3 (Windows) which backs up the
 connected clients from site 1.

 What they want for a DR test is this :-

 1. Disconnect the clients from site1 on the network.
 2. Enable the network connections of clients on site2 (with same name
 and ip of site1 clients)
 3. Restore to the running Solaris server through netbackup of a client
 image taken on site 1.

 My understanding was you wouldn't ever try and restore a whole system
 from file system based backups to a running solaris OS. Is that correct
 still?

 I also can see all sorts of problems having the client names the same
 and same ips. Arp tables etc. I'd personally have the client names
 referenced differently in Netbackup regardless of the hostnames which
 could be the same?

 Cheers
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