Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Clausen, Matt R [EQ] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure it does... he just said they were SCSI connected to the 3rd Media > Server. > That's the key question. I read his note to say that they were connected to the 2nd Media Server but he wants to write to them via the 3rd Media Server. If I read it correctly, he can't do what he wants. If you read it correctly, you're right and my answer was wrong. We need to know *which* media server those 4 new drives are physically connected to. > So that being said, he would need to create a third robot instance which is > defined as a remote robot and it would have the drives indexed as follows: > > TLD(2): Remotely Controlled by Media Server #2: > Library Drive Index 1: Media Server 3 - Drive #1 > Library Drive Index 2: Media Server 3 - Drive #2 > Library Drive Index 3: Media Server 3 - Drive #3 > Library Drive Index 4: Media Server 3 - Drive #4 > > So when NetBackup executes a job requiring usage of Media Server #3, it > knows the robot is controlled by media server #2 and that the drives are > controlled by media server #3. This robot can then be added to Storage Unit > groups or policies, etc > > -- > *From:* Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 1:00 PM > *To:* Clausen, Matt R [EQ] > *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-BU > > *Subject:* Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Clausen, Matt R [EQ] < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Well, why can't he set something up like this: >> >> Media Server #1: Library Control + 4 Drives >> Media Server #2: Library Control + 4 Drives >> Media Server #3: 4 Drives with Media Server #2 being the remote host >> controlling the library >> >> You don't need anything special to do this (such as the SSO). Matter of >> fact, the Veritas Class I just got done taking has this exact setup (Quantum >> M1500 library with two drives, each drive controlled by a UNIX server with >> one of the servers being the robot control host) and we didn't have anything >> special beyond the base NetBackup installation. >> > > Media Server #3 has no physical access to the DRIVES that Media Server #2 > sees. Sure, NetBackup can tell MS # 2 to mount a tape, but MS # 3 has no > path to the actual tape devices. This goes beyond the "robot control host" > functionality. > > >> >> -- >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ed Wilts >> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 11:25 AM >> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *Cc:* veritas-BU >> *Subject:* Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation >> >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:12 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> My Tape drive is directly conected to media server thru scsi cable. >> >> >> There's not much hope of a different media server being able to write to >> these tape drives. If you want a system to share tape drives, you need some >> sort of physical connection between the media server and the tape drives. >> >> If you have a SAN but don't have your tape drives SAN connected, you could >> consider a fibre to SCSI bridge and share those tape drives. If you don't >> have a SAN at all, the costs probably aren't justified. >> >> >> *"Ed Wilts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* >>> >>> 18/08/2008 16:01 >>>To >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc >>> veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject >>> Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> We have master server with Netbackup enterprise 6.0 running on solaris 8 >>> & two media server having two HPESl 9300 series tape library with four drive >>> in each Library. >>> >>> We want to add now four drive in our our existing Library & connect it to >>> third media server. >>> >>> Please let me know is that possible. >>> >>> Will this 3rd media server have direct access to the tape drives? In >>> other words, are the tape drives SAN-connected or are they SCSI connected to >>> the existing media servers? >>> >>> If the tape drives are SAN-connected, then what you want to do is fairly >>> straight-forward. You need to purchase the Shared Storage Option licenses >>> and then you would configure the tape drives to use the right robot control >>> hosts. You can dedicate tape drives to media servers - one way to do this >>> is to use SAN zoning. >>> >>> >> .../Ed >> >> Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation
Thanks all who have given me response. I don't want the second media server drive is written or controlled by third media server. I want to add another four drive in my existing Tape Library & want to connect that new four tape drive to third media server. One Tape library having one robot & eight drive, first four drive is already connected with my existing media server( second media server) & I want to add another four connect it to third media server. Will it possible. Thanks & regards Sanjay Kumar Chahar "Ed Wilts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 18/08/2008 18:36 To "Clausen, Matt R [EQ]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, veritas-BU Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Clausen, Matt R [EQ] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sure it does... he just said they were SCSI connected to the 3rd Media Server. That's the key question. I read his note to say that they were connected to the 2nd Media Server but he wants to write to them via the 3rd Media Server. If I read it correctly, he can't do what he wants. If you read it correctly, you're right and my answer was wrong. We need to know *which* media server those 4 new drives are physically connected to. So that being said, he would need to create a third robot instance which is defined as a remote robot and it would have the drives indexed as follows: TLD(2): Remotely Controlled by Media Server #2: Library Drive Index 1: Media Server 3 - Drive #1 Library Drive Index 2: Media Server 3 - Drive #2 Library Drive Index 3: Media Server 3 - Drive #3 Library Drive Index 4: Media Server 3 - Drive #4 So when NetBackup executes a job requiring usage of Media Server #3, it knows the robot is controlled by media server #2 and that the drives are controlled by media server #3. This robot can then be added to Storage Unit groups or policies, etc From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:00 PM To: Clausen, Matt R [EQ] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-BU Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Clausen, Matt R [EQ] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, why can't he set something up like this: Media Server #1: Library Control + 4 Drives Media Server #2: Library Control + 4 Drives Media Server #3: 4 Drives with Media Server #2 being the remote host controlling the library You don't need anything special to do this (such as the SSO). Matter of fact, the Veritas Class I just got done taking has this exact setup (Quantum M1500 library with two drives, each drive controlled by a UNIX server with one of the servers being the robot control host) and we didn't have anything special beyond the base NetBackup installation. Media Server #3 has no physical access to the DRIVES that Media Server #2 sees. Sure, NetBackup can tell MS # 2 to mount a tape, but MS # 3 has no path to the actual tape devices. This goes beyond the "robot control host" functionality. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: veritas-BU Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:12 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My Tape drive is directly conected to media server thru scsi cable. There's not much hope of a different media server being able to write to these tape drives. If you want a system to share tape drives, you need some sort of physical connection between the media server and the tape drives. If you have a SAN but don't have your tape drives SAN connected, you could consider a fibre to SCSI bridge and share those tape drives. If you don't have a SAN at all, the costs probably aren't justified. "Ed Wilts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 18/08/2008 16:01 To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We have master server with Netbackup enterprise 6.0 running on solaris 8 & two media server having two HPESl 9300 series tape library with four drive in each Library. We want to add now four drive in our our existing Library & connect it to third media server. Please let me know is that possible. Will this 3rd media server have direct access to the tape drives? In other words, are the tape drives SAN-connected or are they SCSI connected to the existing media servers? If the tape drives are SAN-connected, then what you want to do is fairly straight-forward. You need to purchase the Shared Storage Option licenses and then you would configure the tape drives to use the right robot
Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation
Sure it does... he just said they were SCSI connected to the 3rd Media Server. So that being said, he would need to create a third robot instance which is defined as a remote robot and it would have the drives indexed as follows: TLD(2): Remotely Controlled by Media Server #2: Library Drive Index 1: Media Server 3 - Drive #1 Library Drive Index 2: Media Server 3 - Drive #2 Library Drive Index 3: Media Server 3 - Drive #3 Library Drive Index 4: Media Server 3 - Drive #4 So when NetBackup executes a job requiring usage of Media Server #3, it knows the robot is controlled by media server #2 and that the drives are controlled by media server #3. This robot can then be added to Storage Unit groups or policies, etc From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:00 PM To: Clausen, Matt R [EQ] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-BU Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Clausen, Matt R [EQ] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Well, why can't he set something up like this: Media Server #1: Library Control + 4 Drives Media Server #2: Library Control + 4 Drives Media Server #3: 4 Drives with Media Server #2 being the remote host controlling the library You don't need anything special to do this (such as the SSO). Matter of fact, the Veritas Class I just got done taking has this exact setup (Quantum M1500 library with two drives, each drive controlled by a UNIX server with one of the servers being the robot control host) and we didn't have anything special beyond the base NetBackup installation. Media Server #3 has no physical access to the DRIVES that Media Server #2 sees. Sure, NetBackup can tell MS # 2 to mount a tape, but MS # 3 has no path to the actual tape devices. This goes beyond the "robot control host" functionality. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: veritas-BU Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:12 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: My Tape drive is directly conected to media server thru scsi cable. There's not much hope of a different media server being able to write to these tape drives. If you want a system to share tape drives, you need some sort of physical connection between the media server and the tape drives. If you have a SAN but don't have your tape drives SAN connected, you could consider a fibre to SCSI bridge and share those tape drives. If you don't have a SAN at all, the costs probably aren't justified. "Ed Wilts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 18/08/2008 16:01 To [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu<mailto:veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu> Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: We have master server with Netbackup enterprise 6.0 running on solaris 8 & two media server having two HPESl 9300 series tape library with four drive in each Library. We want to add now four drive in our our existing Library & connect it to third media server. Please let me know is that possible. Will this 3rd media server have direct access to the tape drives? In other words, are the tape drives SAN-connected or are they SCSI connected to the existing media servers? If the tape drives are SAN-connected, then what you want to do is fairly straight-forward. You need to purchase the Shared Storage Option licenses and then you would configure the tape drives to use the right robot control hosts. You can dedicate tape drives to media servers - one way to do this is to use SAN zoning. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation
Yes, you can do this and you don't need any special licensing to do so. Very simple, just attach the 4 new drives to your new media server (SAN or direct SCSI, it doesn't matter) and configure Netbackup to know that the robotic control host is one of the original media servers. This configuration can be done via the device wizard in the admin console or via tpconfig on the new media server. That's it, nothing more to do. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 07:14 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation Hi We have master server with Netbackup enterprise 6.0 running on solaris 8 & two media server having two HPESl 9300 series tape library with four drive in each Library. We want to add now four drive in our our existing Library & connect it to third media server. Please let me know is that possible. Thanks & regards Sanjay Kumar Chahar This e-mail (and any attachment) has been sent from a PC belonging to DSG Retail Limited (Registered No 504877) or another company in the DSG international group, registered office Maylands Avenue, Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire HP2 7TG. If you receive it in error, please tell us by return and then delete it from your system; you may not rely on its contents nor copy/disclose it to anyone. Opinions, conclusions and statements of intent in this e-mail are those of the sender and will not bind any DSG international company unless confirmed by an authorised representative independently of this message. We do not accept responsibility for viruses; you must scan for these. Please note that e-mails sent to and from the DSG international group are routinely monitored for record keeping, quality control and training purposes, to ensure regulatory compliance and to prevent viruses and unauthorised use of our computer systems. __ ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation
Well, why can't he set something up like this: Media Server #1: Library Control + 4 Drives Media Server #2: Library Control + 4 Drives Media Server #3: 4 Drives with Media Server #2 being the remote host controlling the library You don't need anything special to do this (such as the SSO). Matter of fact, the Veritas Class I just got done taking has this exact setup (Quantum M1500 library with two drives, each drive controlled by a UNIX server with one of the servers being the robot control host) and we didn't have anything special beyond the base NetBackup installation. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: veritas-BU Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:12 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: My Tape drive is directly conected to media server thru scsi cable. There's not much hope of a different media server being able to write to these tape drives. If you want a system to share tape drives, you need some sort of physical connection between the media server and the tape drives. If you have a SAN but don't have your tape drives SAN connected, you could consider a fibre to SCSI bridge and share those tape drives. If you don't have a SAN at all, the costs probably aren't justified. "Ed Wilts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 18/08/2008 16:01 To [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu<mailto:veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu> Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: We have master server with Netbackup enterprise 6.0 running on solaris 8 & two media server having two HPESl 9300 series tape library with four drive in each Library. We want to add now four drive in our our existing Library & connect it to third media server. Please let me know is that possible. Will this 3rd media server have direct access to the tape drives? In other words, are the tape drives SAN-connected or are they SCSI connected to the existing media servers? If the tape drives are SAN-connected, then what you want to do is fairly straight-forward. You need to purchase the Shared Storage Option licenses and then you would configure the tape drives to use the right robot control hosts. You can dedicate tape drives to media servers - one way to do this is to use SAN zoning. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Clausen, Matt R [EQ] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, why can't he set something up like this: > > Media Server #1: Library Control + 4 Drives > Media Server #2: Library Control + 4 Drives > Media Server #3: 4 Drives with Media Server #2 being the remote host > controlling the library > > You don't need anything special to do this (such as the SSO). Matter of > fact, the Veritas Class I just got done taking has this exact setup (Quantum > M1500 library with two drives, each drive controlled by a UNIX server with > one of the servers being the robot control host) and we didn't have anything > special beyond the base NetBackup installation. > Media Server #3 has no physical access to the DRIVES that Media Server #2 sees. Sure, NetBackup can tell MS # 2 to mount a tape, but MS # 3 has no path to the actual tape devices. This goes beyond the "robot control host" functionality. > > -- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ed Wilts > *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 11:25 AM > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Cc:* veritas-BU > *Subject:* Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:12 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> My Tape drive is directly conected to media server thru scsi cable. > > > There's not much hope of a different media server being able to write to > these tape drives. If you want a system to share tape drives, you need some > sort of physical connection between the media server and the tape drives. > > If you have a SAN but don't have your tape drives SAN connected, you could > consider a fibre to SCSI bridge and share those tape drives. If you don't > have a SAN at all, the costs probably aren't justified. > > > *"Ed Wilts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* >> >> 18/08/2008 16:01 >>To >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc >> veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject >> Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> wrote: >> >> We have master server with Netbackup enterprise 6.0 running on solaris 8 >> & two media server having two HPESl 9300 series tape library with four drive >> in each Library. >> >> We want to add now four drive in our our existing Library & connect it to >> third media server. >> >> Please let me know is that possible. >> >> Will this 3rd media server have direct access to the tape drives? In >> other words, are the tape drives SAN-connected or are they SCSI connected to >> the existing media servers? >> >> If the tape drives are SAN-connected, then what you want to do is fairly >> straight-forward. You need to purchase the Shared Storage Option licenses >> and then you would configure the tape drives to use the right robot control >> hosts. You can dedicate tape drives to media servers - one way to do this >> is to use SAN zoning. >> >> > .../Ed > > Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:12 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My Tape drive is directly conected to media server thru scsi cable. There's not much hope of a different media server being able to write to these tape drives. If you want a system to share tape drives, you need some sort of physical connection between the media server and the tape drives. If you have a SAN but don't have your tape drives SAN connected, you could consider a fibre to SCSI bridge and share those tape drives. If you don't have a SAN at all, the costs probably aren't justified. *"Ed Wilts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* > > 18/08/2008 16:01 > To > [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc > veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject > Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation > > > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote: > > We have master server with Netbackup enterprise 6.0 running on solaris 8 & > two media server having two HPESl 9300 series tape library with four drive > in each Library. > > We want to add now four drive in our our existing Library & connect it to > third media server. > > Please let me know is that possible. > > Will this 3rd media server have direct access to the tape drives? In other > words, are the tape drives SAN-connected or are they SCSI connected to the > existing media servers? > > If the tape drives are SAN-connected, then what you want to do is fairly > straight-forward. You need to purchase the Shared Storage Option licenses > and then you would configure the tape drives to use the right robot control > hosts. You can dedicate tape drives to media servers - one way to do this > is to use SAN zoning. > > .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Media server installation
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We have master server with Netbackup enterprise 6.0 running on solaris 8 & > two media server having two HPESl 9300 series tape library with four drive > in each Library. > > We want to add now four drive in our our existing Library & connect it to > third media server. > > Please let me know is that possible. Will this 3rd media server have direct access to the tape drives? In other words, are the tape drives SAN-connected or are they SCSI connected to the existing media servers? If the tape drives are SAN-connected, then what you want to do is fairly straight-forward. You need to purchase the Shared Storage Option licenses and then you would configure the tape drives to use the right robot control hosts. You can dedicate tape drives to media servers - one way to do this is to use SAN zoning. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Media server installation
Hi We have master server with Netbackup enterprise 6.0 running on solaris 8 & two media server having two HPESl 9300 series tape library with four drive in each Library. We want to add now four drive in our our existing Library & connect it to third media server. Please let me know is that possible. Thanks & regards Sanjay Kumar Chahar This e-mail (and any attachment) has been sent from a PC belonging to DSG Retail Limited (Registered No 504877) or another company in the DSG international group, registered office Maylands Avenue, Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire HP2 7TG. If you receive it in error, please tell us by return and then delete it from your system; you may not rely on its contents nor copy/disclose it to anyone. Opinions, conclusions and statements of intent in this e-mail are those of the sender and will not bind any DSG international company unless confirmed by an authorised representative independently of this message. We do not accept responsibility for viruses; you must scan for these. Please note that e-mails sent to and from the DSG international group are routinely monitored for record keeping, quality control and training purposes, to ensure regulatory compliance and to prevent viruses and unauthorised use of our computer systems. _ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu