Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU Standard vs VMware?? confused :(

2011-07-14 Thread WEAVER, Simon (external)
Under 7.0, I am prices per ESX Host and the number of CPU's on each
Host.
No limit on the clients.
But if you want to do Online SQL / Exchange / Oracle VM, then
apparantly, you need to be licenses for Database options pack.

It gets really confusing at times! As it stands for myself, I am stuck
with doing VM backups like a Physical box... ie: Putting client software
on each VM and treating it like a normal netbackup client.

Have played with VM, and its good fun  but I think its better under
7.0, making use of vSphere 4.x

Simon 

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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU Standard vs VMware?? confused :(

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 08:37:09AM -0700, Tony1100 wrote:

> I'm looking into possibly moving to a VMware NBU configuration? and 
> backup VM's via datastore, etc.., but I'm not 100% sure how this is 
> configured.  And honestly, I'd like to stay with the cheapest solution

> (regarding NBU licenses).  I also heard that if I just purchase 
> Enterprise licenses for each ESX host, I can use as many NBU standard 
> clients on VM's that I please.

NBU clients are licensed per physical host.  Check with your vendor on
specifics.

You can purchase enterprise client licenses and perform direct backups
of the Vmware datastore.  This has some benefits.  You can do off-host
backups in a SAN storage environment.  VM disks with lots of files can
be backed up faster than having the virtual server walk it's filesystem.


Or you can purchase standard client licenses and perform standard
backups within each virtual server. 

In both cases, you only need them for the physical machines.  You used
to need one enterprise client for each OS type (windows, linux, etc.) on
each physical machine, but I believe with 7.x (or possibly even 6.5)
that is no longer necessary.

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Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU Standard vs VMware?? confused :(

2011-07-13 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 08:37:09AM -0700, Tony1100 wrote:

> I'm looking into possibly moving to a VMware NBU configuration? and
> backup VM's via datastore, etc.., but I'm not 100% sure how this is
> configured.  And honestly, I'd like to stay with the cheapest solution
> (regarding NBU licenses).  I also heard that if I just purchase
> Enterprise licenses for each ESX host, I can use as many NBU standard
> clients on VM's that I please.

NBU clients are licensed per physical host.  Check with your vendor on
specifics.

You can purchase enterprise client licenses and perform direct backups
of the Vmware datastore.  This has some benefits.  You can do off-host
backups in a SAN storage environment.  VM disks with lots of files can
be backed up faster than having the virtual server walk it's
filesystem. 

Or you can purchase standard client licenses and perform standard
backups within each virtual server. 

In both cases, you only need them for the physical machines.  You used
to need one enterprise client for each OS type (windows, linux, etc.) on
each physical machine, but I believe with 7.x (or possibly even 6.5)
that is no longer necessary.

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[Veritas-bu] NBU Standard vs VMware?? confused :(

2011-07-13 Thread Tony1100
Currently I have NBU 6.5 master and media server and around 40 NBU Windows 
clients with standard licenses.  Nothing fancy.  Our VM environment has 9 ESXi 
3.5 hosts with 50 VM's and shared datastores.  About 10 of those VM's are using 
the standard NBU clients to backup to tape.  Nothing fancy there either. ;)

I'm looking into possibly moving to a VMware NBU configuration? and backup VM's 
via datastore, etc.., but I'm not 100% sure how this is configured.  And 
honestly, I'd like to stay with the cheapest solution (regarding NBU licenses). 
 I also heard that if I just purchase Enterprise licenses for each ESX host, I 
can use as many NBU standard clients on VM's that I please.

So as you can tell, I'm a bit confused and need to know my options and which is 
the most cost effective.

Any help or advice is much appreciated!
Thx -T

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