Re: [Veritas-bu] New Installation: 6.0 MP4 or 6.5 MPx ?
Jeff, I would choose 6.5.1. Eventually in the future you will have to switch to higher rev of NetBackup. Why don't start right from the start? It will spare you time and headache of upgrading when to 6.5 and beyond eventually will hit EOL. I have 3 servers running 6.5 and one, since yesterday, 6.5.1. I upgraded from 6MP4 about 4 weeks ago. So far I have seen any problems other than usual error here or there. --Rajmund -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Cleverley Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:03 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] New Installation: 6.0 MP4 or 6.5 MPx ? Greetings, I'm coming into an unique opportunity with regards to NetBackup. I'm going to get to start from scratch. No upgrades, imports, migrations, etc. This environment is currently running NB5.0 and I also manage a 5.1 backing up 70 TB of SAN storage. We want to stay with NetBackup and not switch to another vendor. The old environment we inherited is old (hardware and software), been managed by at least 4 different groups of administrators and transitioned between at least 2 companies. We know the database is not clean. We've decided we are going to set up everything new and when everything on the old one expires, we're going to just shut it all off :-) I've seen a number of threads about which versions to go to (6.0 MP4 vs 6.5 seemed the most common). Almost all of these dealt with upgrades. I don't want to start any of the which is better threads but would like to see what people would choose if they had the start from scratch option. From what I'm seeing, I'm leaning towards 6.0 MP4. Below is what we are going to be using and backing up: Master server - Dell 2950 RHEL4 (final details like release level still pending). Current SAN media servers - hpux 11.00 (L3000 x 2) and 1 hpux 11.11 (rp3440), all fibre attached to the tape library. Network clients - 1 RH3 client. Tape library - Dell MS6000 with 4 fibre Gen 3 Ultrium drives. SAN switches - Brocade 4100 x 2 ( We will also run the EMC SAN connections through the switches). The plan is to start replacing the hpux servers with Dell servers. They will also do SAN backups. Everything else listed above will be new. There will be ~ 20 TB of SAN based data on the 4 servers. Licensing may be an issue as it seems to have changed. We currently have tier 1 hpux licenses for the master and SAN media servers, along with some unix network client licenses. We're trying to figure out the tier changes but I can't get my hands on a licensing guide. We have enough drive and SSO licenses for the new library. We don't do any database backups like Oracle, no Windows at all, no vaulting or remote replication, and don't currently have any reporting software like Aptare to deal with the latest revisions. It sounds so easy and simple it scares me :-) Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Conexant E-mail Firewall (Conexant.Com) made the following annotations - ** Legal Disclaimer "This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, use or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Thank you." ** - ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] New Installation: 6.0 MP4 or 6.5 MPx ?
We have a great relationship with NetBackup support folks and engineers. Much of this was built on the fact that when we upgraded from 5.1 to 6.0MP3we had a disaster on our hands. We're currently at 6.0MP5 today and relatively stable. We have conversations with them multiple times per week and they've been at our site a few times (their offices are only a few miles up the road). We're not a small site although we're far from their biggest customer and we have enough complexities thrown in regularly that make the engineers earn their pay. If I was starting fresh today, I'd go straight to 6.5.1. In fact, this is what we're going to on January 1, and we're basing this on our discussions with Symantec and what they know about our environment and their product (they obviously know about bugs that we don't since they may never have been seen by a customer even though they're present in the code base). This decision was not taken lightly, and the Symantec folks know they'll be onsite again if NBU doesn't perform as advertised. One of your requirements is a large RHEL environment so remember that NBU 6.5 is the *first* release to support ACLs on RHEL and also the *first* to support FlashBackup on Linux. The SAN Media Server license doesn't exist with 6.5 - it's now the Enterprise Client license and includes both the SAN Media Server and FlashBackup functionality. Since you're licensing this piece anyway, you may as well see if FlashBackups will speed up your backups. BTW, Aptare reporting would not have been an issue even if you had it installed - they support 6.5 today (and have for quite a while). Something to think about... .../Ed On 12/18/07, Jeff Cleverley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Greetings, > > I'm coming into an unique opportunity with regards to NetBackup. I'm > going to get to start from scratch. No upgrades, imports, migrations, > etc. This environment is currently running NB5.0 and I also manage a > 5.1 backing up 70 TB of SAN storage. We want to stay with NetBackup and > not switch to another vendor. > > The old environment we inherited is old (hardware and software), been > managed by at least 4 different groups of administrators and > transitioned between at least 2 companies. We know the database is not > clean. We've decided we are going to set up everything new and when > everything on the old one expires, we're going to just shut it all off :-) > > I've seen a number of threads about which versions to go to (6.0 MP4 vs > 6.5 seemed the most common). Almost all of these dealt with upgrades. > I don't want to start any of the which is better threads but would like > to see what people would choose if they had the start from scratch > option. From what I'm seeing, I'm leaning towards 6.0 MP4. > > Below is what we are going to be using and backing up: > > Master server - Dell 2950 RHEL4 (final details like release level still > pending). > Current SAN media servers - hpux 11.00 (L3000 x 2) and 1 hpux 11.11 > (rp3440), all fibre attached to the tape library. > Network clients - 1 RH3 client. > Tape library - Dell MS6000 with 4 fibre Gen 3 Ultrium drives. > SAN switches - Brocade 4100 x 2 ( We will also run the EMC SAN > connections through the switches). > > The plan is to start replacing the hpux servers with Dell servers. They > will also do SAN backups. Everything else listed above will be new. > There will be ~ 20 TB of SAN based data on the 4 servers. Licensing may > be an issue as it seems to have changed. We currently have tier 1 hpux > licenses for the master and SAN media servers, along with some unix > network client licenses. We're trying to figure out the tier changes > but I can't get my hands on a licensing guide. We have enough drive and > SSO licenses for the new library. > > We don't do any database backups like Oracle, no Windows at all, no > vaulting or remote replication, and don't currently have any reporting > software like Aptare to deal with the latest revisions. It sounds so > easy and simple it scares me :-) > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > -- > > Jeff Cleverley > Unix Systems Administrator > 4380 Ziegler Road > Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 > 970-288-4611 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] New Installation: 6.0 MP4 or 6.5 MPx ?
Hey Jeff It all depends on what type of uptime you need in your environment. But let me clarify something first, our upgrade from 5.x to 6.0MP4 went without any problems. We are not using any added functionality (except for online catalog backups). Now what I mean from uptime is , in our environment we run jobs 24 by 7. At any given time there can be a little as 10 jobs running and as many as 200 jobs running. It all depends on various load factors. A lot of our issue that we are still currently running into seem to have it roots based on load factors.within the framework of netbackup itself. Not common things like network bandwith, server kernel resources, tape/SAN resources but more internal Netbackup code defects and design considerations. I just meet a fellow last week that is also running 6.0 mp4 and seems happy with it, (but he also would see backups terminate with no real cause but in his environment this seem to be acceptable.) This type of behavior is one of the many problems that get us a phone call from ops and 2am in the morning. In our case if I had to do it over again we would have gone straight to 6.5but when we started our testing 6.5 had just been released and we dont like to be the new kid on the block. Now 6.5 is up to 6.5.1 and we are at the point that we really have no choice but to move forward to try to return to some sort of stability (we hope). Hopefully this will give you some more insight on which choice is the best one for your current needs. Sean On Dec 18, 2007 11:03 PM, Jeff Cleverley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm coming into an unique opportunity with regards to NetBackup. I'm > going to get to start from scratch. No upgrades, imports, migrations, > etc. This environment is currently running NB5.0 and I also manage a > 5.1 backing up 70 TB of SAN storage. We want to stay with NetBackup and > not switch to another vendor. > > The old environment we inherited is old (hardware and software), been > managed by at least 4 different groups of administrators and > transitioned between at least 2 companies. We know the database is not > clean. We've decided we are going to set up everything new and when > everything on the old one expires, we're going to just shut it all off :-) > > I've seen a number of threads about which versions to go to (6.0 MP4 vs > 6.5 seemed the most common). Almost all of these dealt with upgrades. > I don't want to start any of the which is better threads but would like > to see what people would choose if they had the start from scratch > option. From what I'm seeing, I'm leaning towards 6.0 MP4. > > Below is what we are going to be using and backing up: > > Master server - Dell 2950 RHEL4 (final details like release level still > pending). > Current SAN media servers - hpux 11.00 (L3000 x 2) and 1 hpux 11.11 > (rp3440), all fibre attached to the tape library. > Network clients - 1 RH3 client. > Tape library - Dell MS6000 with 4 fibre Gen 3 Ultrium drives. > SAN switches - Brocade 4100 x 2 ( We will also run the EMC SAN > connections through the switches). > > The plan is to start replacing the hpux servers with Dell servers. They > will also do SAN backups. Everything else listed above will be new. > There will be ~ 20 TB of SAN based data on the 4 servers. Licensing may > be an issue as it seems to have changed. We currently have tier 1 hpux > licenses for the master and SAN media servers, along with some unix > network client licenses. We're trying to figure out the tier changes > but I can't get my hands on a licensing guide. We have enough drive and > SSO licenses for the new library. > > We don't do any database backups like Oracle, no Windows at all, no > vaulting or remote replication, and don't currently have any reporting > software like Aptare to deal with the latest revisions. It sounds so > easy and simple it scares me :-) > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > -- > > Jeff Cleverley > Unix Systems Administrator > 4380 Ziegler Road > Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 > 970-288-4611 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] New Installation: 6.0 MP4 or 6.5 MPx ?
Greetings, I'm coming into an unique opportunity with regards to NetBackup. I'm going to get to start from scratch. No upgrades, imports, migrations, etc. This environment is currently running NB5.0 and I also manage a 5.1 backing up 70 TB of SAN storage. We want to stay with NetBackup and not switch to another vendor. The old environment we inherited is old (hardware and software), been managed by at least 4 different groups of administrators and transitioned between at least 2 companies. We know the database is not clean. We've decided we are going to set up everything new and when everything on the old one expires, we're going to just shut it all off :-) I've seen a number of threads about which versions to go to (6.0 MP4 vs 6.5 seemed the most common). Almost all of these dealt with upgrades. I don't want to start any of the which is better threads but would like to see what people would choose if they had the start from scratch option. From what I'm seeing, I'm leaning towards 6.0 MP4. Below is what we are going to be using and backing up: Master server - Dell 2950 RHEL4 (final details like release level still pending). Current SAN media servers - hpux 11.00 (L3000 x 2) and 1 hpux 11.11 (rp3440), all fibre attached to the tape library. Network clients - 1 RH3 client. Tape library - Dell MS6000 with 4 fibre Gen 3 Ultrium drives. SAN switches - Brocade 4100 x 2 ( We will also run the EMC SAN connections through the switches). The plan is to start replacing the hpux servers with Dell servers. They will also do SAN backups. Everything else listed above will be new. There will be ~ 20 TB of SAN based data on the 4 servers. Licensing may be an issue as it seems to have changed. We currently have tier 1 hpux licenses for the master and SAN media servers, along with some unix network client licenses. We're trying to figure out the tier changes but I can't get my hands on a licensing guide. We have enough drive and SSO licenses for the new library. We don't do any database backups like Oracle, no Windows at all, no vaulting or remote replication, and don't currently have any reporting software like Aptare to deal with the latest revisions. It sounds so easy and simple it scares me :-) Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] New Installation: 6.0 MP4 or 6.5 MPx ?
One quick correction to the hardware below. We are going to be converting 1 RHEL4 box from a network client to a SAN media server. That is one of the 4 boxes that will house the 20 TB. We will not be housing client data on the master. It will be a dedicated system. Jeff Jeff Cleverley wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm coming into an unique opportunity with regards to NetBackup. I'm > going to get to start from scratch. No upgrades, imports, migrations, > etc. This environment is currently running NB5.0 and I also manage a > 5.1 backing up 70 TB of SAN storage. We want to stay with NetBackup and > not switch to another vendor. > > The old environment we inherited is old (hardware and software), been > managed by at least 4 different groups of administrators and > transitioned between at least 2 companies. We know the database is not > clean. We've decided we are going to set up everything new and when > everything on the old one expires, we're going to just shut it all off :-) > > I've seen a number of threads about which versions to go to (6.0 MP4 vs > 6.5 seemed the most common). Almost all of these dealt with upgrades. > I don't want to start any of the which is better threads but would like > to see what people would choose if they had the start from scratch > option. From what I'm seeing, I'm leaning towards 6.0 MP4. > > Below is what we are going to be using and backing up: > > Master server - Dell 2950 RHEL4 (final details like release level still > pending). > Current SAN media servers - hpux 11.00 (L3000 x 2) and 1 hpux 11.11 > (rp3440), all fibre attached to the tape library. > Network clients - 1 RH3 client. > Tape library - Dell MS6000 with 4 fibre Gen 3 Ultrium drives. > SAN switches - Brocade 4100 x 2 ( We will also run the EMC SAN > connections through the switches). > > The plan is to start replacing the hpux servers with Dell servers. They > will also do SAN backups. Everything else listed above will be new. > There will be ~ 20 TB of SAN based data on the 4 servers. Licensing may > be an issue as it seems to have changed. We currently have tier 1 hpux > licenses for the master and SAN media servers, along with some unix > network client licenses. We're trying to figure out the tier changes > but I can't get my hands on a licensing guide. We have enough drive and > SSO licenses for the new library. > > We don't do any database backups like Oracle, no Windows at all, no > vaulting or remote replication, and don't currently have any reporting > software like Aptare to deal with the latest revisions. It sounds so > easy and simple it scares me :-) > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > -- Jeff Cleverley Unix Systems Administrator 4380 Ziegler Road Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 970-288-4611 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
