Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
On 5/16/06, Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 12:05:51PM -0400, Paul Keating wrote:> Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux is free (as in> beer) rather than free (as in speech.)Not my management. > Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually related to percieved> dollar savings.The perceived dollar savings is typically in the hardware, not thesoftware. We pay as much, if not more, for Red Hat Enterprise Linux subscriptions than we do for our Microsoft Windows licenses - it's allthe add-ons to Windows that really kill you. When comparing hardwarethough, Intel-based systems are cheaper than Sparc-based systems. *nod* Not to mention that x86 and x86_64 runs circles around sparc. Although isn't windows 2003 > $2k whereas rhes 4 is $350 for basic support?Well, we're already committed down the RHEL4 / NBU 5.1 road, and it's been working out great so far. What a relief being off the 2000 era E450 and R420R's! Symantec would not provide much in they way of providing steps needed to migrate from Solaris to Linux insisting that PS absolutely had to be involved. I did it myself. It wasn't really that difficult. We're using CentOS, but due to Symantec only supporting the packages that Redhat builds, I have to install the genuine article if I want my support calls answered. Planning on doing that in a week or so. Any remaining infrastructure suns in our datacenter are all going out the door. We still have a few suns and windows servers for a *few* specific application needs, but we're a linux shop. All engineers here use Linux. Management and finance types use windows. .../Ed--Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USAmailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]___Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu-- -Tim, Transmeta
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
we are an isv so we have to deal gear from all the major vendors in addition to enterprise suse and redhat deployments. linux for us costs a lot more (hw/sw/support) then solaris/hpux/aix as we havent been able to get any developer deals with novell or rh. we run freebsd on more critical gear than linux at this time too. i wish veritas would let us use that for the server and not just a client. --- "Greenberg, Katherine A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting, since every vendor I've spoken to who > manages any kind of > costing group for customers has had to work REALLY > hard to justify the > costing for using Linux in the enterprise > > > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:49 PM > To: Paul Keating; Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, > Shekhar; List Veritas > List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > There IS dollar savings even if you go the > commercial Linux variants and > pay for support as compared to commercial Unix > (especially the RISC > based solutions). > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Paul > Keating > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:06 PM > To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List > Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking > Linux is free (as in > beer) rather than free (as in speech.) > > Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually > related to percieved > dollar savings. > > Paul > > -- > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of > > Greenberg, Katherine A > > Sent: May 10, 2006 1:28 PM > > To: Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List > > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux > support > > > > > > I don't honestly know of a single company these > days that > > isn't looking > > at Linux for one reason or another... > > > > Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Dhotre, > > Shekhar > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM > > To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List > > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux > support > > > > > > >>I've been asked by my management why we're not > using Linux for > > NetBackup > > > > > > Any particular reason -your management is > interested in Linux ? > > - > This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged > information. If > you think you have received this > e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply > e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. > Thank you. Aetna > > > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - > Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 10:32:18AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just curiously, which support vendor do you guys use for Linux OS? Red Hat. In the North American market, there are really only 2 serious players in the enterprise Linux space - Red Hat and SuSe/Novell. Red Hat is the clear market leader here. Since you're in Canada, stick with Red Hat for support. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
RedHat. On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just curiously, which support vendor do you guys use for Linux OS? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Lightner Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:58 AM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Paul Keating; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support As compared to Windows or Unix? In the Unix app environments I'm running we see several opportunities for cost savings just on the hardware alone. The support is significantly cheaper as well. On the flip side there ARE things (large DBs for example) that we aren't going to move to Linux any time soon because at scale its complexity is worse than the RISC based systems AND a lot of what we want to run isn't supported on Linux at such scales in any event. -Original Message- From: Greenberg, Katherine A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:53 PM To: Jeff Lightner; Paul Keating; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Interesting, since every vendor I've spoken to who manages any kind of costing group for customers has had to work REALLY hard to justify the costing for using Linux in the enterprise -Original Message- From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:49 PM To: Paul Keating; Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support There IS dollar savings even if you go the commercial Linux variants and pay for support as compared to commercial Unix (especially the RISC based solutions). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:06 PM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux is free (as in beer) rather than free (as in speech.) Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually related to percieved dollar savings. Paul -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greenberg, Katherine A > Sent: May 10, 2006 1:28 PM > To: Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > I don't honestly know of a single company these days that > isn't looking > at Linux for one reason or another... > > Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dhotre, > Shekhar > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM > To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > >>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup > > > Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
I recently did a HUGE cost savings analysis from moving one of our larger databases to a new Windows Server / Sun SPAC Platform / Redhat Linux. I can't share the presentation and 20 page word document I created (corporate privacy concerns) but basically it came down to. Windows - Very price effective - poor performance Sun SPARC - Extremely price prohibitive - Better than average performance Redhat Linux - Slightly more pricey (with 24x7 Support) than Windows - Best performance Now this was all Oracle 10g based, and involved Dell vs Sun Hardware (Sun never had a chance from a pricing perspective.) Windows and Redhat are both priced well, assuming you want support - but if I can generalize here - Redhat wins out if both price and performance are major concerns. The windows was about 40% cheaper with support and licensing but then again we run several hundred windows boxes so I'm sure we get a volume discount. :) -Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greenberg, Katherine A Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:53 PM To: Jeff Lightner; Paul Keating; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Interesting, since every vendor I've spoken to who manages any kind of costing group for customers has had to work REALLY hard to justify the costing for using Linux in the enterprise -Original Message- From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:49 PM To: Paul Keating; Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support There IS dollar savings even if you go the commercial Linux variants and pay for support as compared to commercial Unix (especially the RISC based solutions). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:06 PM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux is free (as in beer) rather than free (as in speech.) Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually related to percieved dollar savings. Paul -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greenberg, Katherine A > Sent: May 10, 2006 1:28 PM > To: Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > I don't honestly know of a single company these days that > isn't looking > at Linux for one reason or another... > > Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dhotre, > Shekhar > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM > To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > >>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup > > > Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Actually here we're using a turnkey solution for Oracle RAC so it is theoretically supported by Oracle on Dell (in fact they've been the most helpful when I had Linux questions). Dell theoretically supports Linux on their PowerEdge line but in my not so humble opinion their Linux support sucks wind. They usually recommend booting from a Windows or DOS CD to try to resolve issues and couldn't even figure out what was wrong with a script they themselves wrote to do a recommended update in Linux. So far as I can tell they have exactly 2 people in that department and based on their input so far it appears they were moved from Windows support rather than having a background in Unix or Linux. We're planning on going to RedHat for Linux support of RedHat. I'd still recommend Dell hardware but would urge anyone looking at it with Linux to get their OS support from a source other than Dell. At a prior job it was RedHat all the way for Linux support. We were running on the HP PCs at that job and that hardware seemed to do fine as well. Another downside to moving from Unix on RISC to Linux on Intel is that you have to occasionally get into the OS vs Hardware finger pointing. Since the RISC systems are usually made by the same people making the Unix that runs on it this discussion is usually internal to the vendor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:32 PM To: Jeff Lightner; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Just curiously, which support vendor do you guys use for Linux OS? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Lightner Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:58 AM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Paul Keating; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support As compared to Windows or Unix? In the Unix app environments I'm running we see several opportunities for cost savings just on the hardware alone. The support is significantly cheaper as well. On the flip side there ARE things (large DBs for example) that we aren't going to move to Linux any time soon because at scale its complexity is worse than the RISC based systems AND a lot of what we want to run isn't supported on Linux at such scales in any event. -Original Message- From: Greenberg, Katherine A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:53 PM To: Jeff Lightner; Paul Keating; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Interesting, since every vendor I've spoken to who manages any kind of costing group for customers has had to work REALLY hard to justify the costing for using Linux in the enterprise -Original Message- From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:49 PM To: Paul Keating; Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support There IS dollar savings even if you go the commercial Linux variants and pay for support as compared to commercial Unix (especially the RISC based solutions). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:06 PM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux is free (as in beer) rather than free (as in speech.) Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually related to percieved dollar savings. Paul -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greenberg, Katherine A > Sent: May 10, 2006 1:28 PM > To: Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > I don't honestly know of a single company these days that > isn't looking > at Linux for one reason or another... > > Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dhotre, > Shekhar > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM > To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > >>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup > > > Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you.
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Just curiously, which support vendor do you guys use for Linux OS? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Lightner Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:58 AM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Paul Keating; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support As compared to Windows or Unix? In the Unix app environments I'm running we see several opportunities for cost savings just on the hardware alone. The support is significantly cheaper as well. On the flip side there ARE things (large DBs for example) that we aren't going to move to Linux any time soon because at scale its complexity is worse than the RISC based systems AND a lot of what we want to run isn't supported on Linux at such scales in any event. -Original Message- From: Greenberg, Katherine A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:53 PM To: Jeff Lightner; Paul Keating; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Interesting, since every vendor I've spoken to who manages any kind of costing group for customers has had to work REALLY hard to justify the costing for using Linux in the enterprise -Original Message- From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:49 PM To: Paul Keating; Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support There IS dollar savings even if you go the commercial Linux variants and pay for support as compared to commercial Unix (especially the RISC based solutions). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:06 PM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux is free (as in beer) rather than free (as in speech.) Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually related to percieved dollar savings. Paul -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greenberg, Katherine A > Sent: May 10, 2006 1:28 PM > To: Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > I don't honestly know of a single company these days that > isn't looking > at Linux for one reason or another... > > Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dhotre, > Shekhar > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM > To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > >>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup > > > Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
But honestly, who's using Solaris anymore for new project implementations (open worm can now!) -Original Message- From: Martin, Jonathan (Contractor) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:30 PM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Jeff Lightner; Paul Keating; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support I recently did a HUGE cost savings analysis from moving one of our larger databases to a new Windows Server / Sun SPAC Platform / Redhat Linux. I can't share the presentation and 20 page word document I created (corporate privacy concerns) but basically it came down to. Windows - Very price effective - poor performance Sun SPARC - Extremely price prohibitive - Better than average performance Redhat Linux - Slightly more pricey (with 24x7 Support) than Windows - Best performance Now this was all Oracle 10g based, and involved Dell vs Sun Hardware (Sun never had a chance from a pricing perspective.) Windows and Redhat are both priced well, assuming you want support - but if I can generalize here - Redhat wins out if both price and performance are major concerns. The windows was about 40% cheaper with support and licensing but then again we run several hundred windows boxes so I'm sure we get a volume discount. :) -Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greenberg, Katherine A Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:53 PM To: Jeff Lightner; Paul Keating; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Interesting, since every vendor I've spoken to who manages any kind of costing group for customers has had to work REALLY hard to justify the costing for using Linux in the enterprise -Original Message- From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:49 PM To: Paul Keating; Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support There IS dollar savings even if you go the commercial Linux variants and pay for support as compared to commercial Unix (especially the RISC based solutions). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:06 PM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux is free (as in beer) rather than free (as in speech.) Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually related to percieved dollar savings. Paul -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greenberg, Katherine A > Sent: May 10, 2006 1:28 PM > To: Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > I don't honestly know of a single company these days that isn't > looking at Linux for one reason or another... > > Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dhotre, > Shekhar > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM > To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > >>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup > > > Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Ah, excuse my broad stroke. Your shop already uses linux, so therefore your management knows the costs. I'm talking shops where there isn't a single paid/supported linux install other than the unadvertised underground ones run by the geeks, for the geeks. In a shop that has never paid for a linux support contract or an enterprise linux license, some non-tech (read: rectal cranial inversion syndrome affected) managers still think linux is "free". Paul -- > -Original Message- > From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: May 16, 2006 12:47 PM > To: Paul Keating > Cc: Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List > Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 12:05:51PM -0400, Paul Keating wrote: > > Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux > is free (as in > > beer) rather than free (as in speech.) > > Not my management. La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu.
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
As compared to Windows or Unix? In the Unix app environments I'm running we see several opportunities for cost savings just on the hardware alone. The support is significantly cheaper as well. On the flip side there ARE things (large DBs for example) that we aren't going to move to Linux any time soon because at scale its complexity is worse than the RISC based systems AND a lot of what we want to run isn't supported on Linux at such scales in any event. -Original Message- From: Greenberg, Katherine A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:53 PM To: Jeff Lightner; Paul Keating; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Interesting, since every vendor I've spoken to who manages any kind of costing group for customers has had to work REALLY hard to justify the costing for using Linux in the enterprise -Original Message- From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:49 PM To: Paul Keating; Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support There IS dollar savings even if you go the commercial Linux variants and pay for support as compared to commercial Unix (especially the RISC based solutions). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:06 PM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux is free (as in beer) rather than free (as in speech.) Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually related to percieved dollar savings. Paul -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greenberg, Katherine A > Sent: May 10, 2006 1:28 PM > To: Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > I don't honestly know of a single company these days that > isn't looking > at Linux for one reason or another... > > Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dhotre, > Shekhar > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM > To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > >>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup > > > Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Interesting, since every vendor I've spoken to who manages any kind of costing group for customers has had to work REALLY hard to justify the costing for using Linux in the enterprise -Original Message- From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:49 PM To: Paul Keating; Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support There IS dollar savings even if you go the commercial Linux variants and pay for support as compared to commercial Unix (especially the RISC based solutions). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:06 PM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux is free (as in beer) rather than free (as in speech.) Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually related to percieved dollar savings. Paul -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greenberg, Katherine A > Sent: May 10, 2006 1:28 PM > To: Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > I don't honestly know of a single company these days that > isn't looking > at Linux for one reason or another... > > Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dhotre, > Shekhar > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM > To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > >>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup > > > Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 12:05:51PM -0400, Paul Keating wrote: > Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux is free (as in > beer) rather than free (as in speech.) Not my management. > Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually related to percieved > dollar savings. The perceived dollar savings is typically in the hardware, not the software. We pay as much, if not more, for Red Hat Enterprise Linux subscriptions than we do for our Microsoft Windows licenses - it's all the add-ons to Windows that really kill you. When comparing hardware though, Intel-based systems are cheaper than Sparc-based systems. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
There IS dollar savings even if you go the commercial Linux variants and pay for support as compared to commercial Unix (especially the RISC based solutions). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:06 PM To: Greenberg, Katherine A; Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux is free (as in beer) rather than free (as in speech.) Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually related to percieved dollar savings. Paul -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greenberg, Katherine A > Sent: May 10, 2006 1:28 PM > To: Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > I don't honestly know of a single company these days that > isn't looking > at Linux for one reason or another... > > Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dhotre, > Shekhar > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM > To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > >>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup > > > Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Honestly though, that smacks of management thinking Linux is free (as in beer) rather than free (as in speech.) Any question like that coming from mgmt is usually related to percieved dollar savings. Paul -- > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Greenberg, Katherine A > Sent: May 10, 2006 1:28 PM > To: Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > I don't honestly know of a single company these days that > isn't looking > at Linux for one reason or another... > > Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dhotre, > Shekhar > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM > To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List > Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > > >>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup > > > Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu.
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Title: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support I asked about Linux support on Z-Series at the Symantec Vision conference this week during the “Veritas NetBackup Future Directions” break-out session hosted by Rick Huebsch, VP Engineering. He had 3 or 4 people from the engineering team in attendance to respond to questions. It was specifically stated that all discussion would be based on NBU 6.5. Rick’s response was that it was currently supported in 6.0. I asked, “what about support in 6.5?” At which point one of the engineers seemed agitated about being asked this question and defensively asked for a show of hands as to how many people were running Linux on Z-Series. I saw 3 hands out of 100 go up. Rick then said that although this is not necessarily representative of the entire customer base, that Linux is merely a client like all other clients they continue to support. My suggestion is that you request your local Symantec/Veritas team relay your needs back to the Product Marketing and Engineering teams and pound on them for an official response. Right now they feel that only 3% of their customers need this. They need to hear that either more customers need this and/or customers that are significant to them have this requirement. Brian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Austin MurphySent: Thu 5/11/2006 12:13 PMTo: veritas-buSubject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support From that link it shows that RedHat's support position boils down to 3years of helping people migrate TO a particular release and 4 years ofmigrating FROM that release. Basically, after 3 years, they won'tofficially help you deploy a new system on that release.Same with Symantec. New deployments of the latest NetBackup Server ona 3 year old RedHat release don't make a lot of sense. I'm sure theclient will still work and if it doesn't you can run the older clientand still get support.Regardless of the official position now, there are a ton of peopleusing RHEL 3, just like Solaris 8. Both face the same issue in thenext major NetBackup release.AustinOn 5/11/06, Rob Worman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> FYI on this topic of NBU support and RedHat 3 in particular...>> Ed, you wrote that:>> > > Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop> > support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will> > be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you> > off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops> > supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released> > 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup> > 6.5.> >> I must respectfully disagree with this "Fact:".>> The relevant Symantec publication on this topic seems to be p.3-4 of> the NetBackup 6 OS Supportability Matrix, found here:>> http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/278064.pdf>> In particular, references to RH 3 include a footnote that reads,>> "Next major release following NetBackup 6.0> will not support this OS Version. This status> could change if market and/or vendor support> positions change.">> For the past 8 years that I've been using NBU and reading these> supportability statements, the phrase "next major release" has> consistently referred to the next major version number.> i.e., NetBackup 7.0 (or NBU 8, or NBU 2008, or whatever TPTB> decide to call it).>> So I'm quite confident that these questions don't apply to 6.5.>> In my experience, NBU has been good about fully supporting an> OS revision for AT LEAST as long as the OS vendor is still> providing general fixes for that version. For RH3, I think that> will be true until November of this year. Reference:>> http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/errata/>> HTH> rob>> ___> Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu> http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu>___Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduhttp://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information of Northwestern Mutual. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify Northwestern Mutual immediately by returning it to the sender and delete all copies from your system. Please be advised that communications received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center are secure. Communications that are not received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center may not be secure and could be observed by a third party. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 11:54:20AM -0500, Ed Wilts wrote: > On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 12:36:13PM -0500, Rob Worman wrote: > > FYI on this topic of NBU support and RedHat 3 in particular... > > > I've spoken with our Symantec Sales Account Manager and had it confirmed > by our Symantec Systems Engineer that in this case, the next major > release is 6.5. I also had this confirmed by the local SE Manager. I just received email from the same local SE Manager admitting that he was wrong. For the purposes of the compatibility documentation, the next major release is NetBackup 7.0. There's no release date for this but it will likely be 2-3 years out. That lines up nicely with the RHEL 3 roadmap. I'm satisfied that Symantec will meet our business needs for NetBackup on RHEL 3. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
From that link it shows that RedHat's support position boils down to 3 years of helping people migrate TO a particular release and 4 years of migrating FROM that release. Basically, after 3 years, they won't officially help you deploy a new system on that release. Same with Symantec. New deployments of the latest NetBackup Server on a 3 year old RedHat release don't make a lot of sense. I'm sure the client will still work and if it doesn't you can run the older client and still get support. Regardless of the official position now, there are a ton of people using RHEL 3, just like Solaris 8. Both face the same issue in the next major NetBackup release. Austin On 5/11/06, Rob Worman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FYI on this topic of NBU support and RedHat 3 in particular... Ed, you wrote that: > Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop > support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will > be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you > off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops > supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released > 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup > 6.5. I must respectfully disagree with this "Fact:". The relevant Symantec publication on this topic seems to be p.3-4 of the NetBackup 6 OS Supportability Matrix, found here: http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/278064.pdf In particular, references to RH 3 include a footnote that reads, "Next major release following NetBackup 6.0 will not support this OS Version. This status could change if market and/or vendor support positions change." For the past 8 years that I've been using NBU and reading these supportability statements, the phrase "next major release" has consistently referred to the next major version number. i.e., NetBackup 7.0 (or NBU 8, or NBU 2008, or whatever TPTB decide to call it). So I'm quite confident that these questions don't apply to 6.5. In my experience, NBU has been good about fully supporting an OS revision for AT LEAST as long as the OS vendor is still providing general fixes for that version. For RH3, I think that will be true until November of this year. Reference: http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/errata/ HTH rob ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 12:36:13PM -0500, Rob Worman wrote: > FYI on this topic of NBU support and RedHat 3 in particular... > > Ed, you wrote that: > > > > Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop > > support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will > > be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you > > off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops > > supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released > > 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup > > 6.5. > > > I must respectfully disagree with this "Fact:". > > The relevant Symantec publication on this topic seems to be p.3-4 of > the NetBackup 6 OS Supportability Matrix, found here: > > http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/278064.pdf > > In particular, references to RH 3 include a footnote that reads, > > "Next major release following NetBackup 6.0 >will not support this OS Version. This status >could change if market and/or vendor support >positions change." > > For the past 8 years that I've been using NBU and reading these > supportability statements, the phrase "next major release" has > consistently referred to the next major version number. i.e., > NetBackup 7.0 (or NBU 8, or NBU 2008, or whatever TPTB decide to call > it). I've spoken with our Symantec Sales Account Manager and had it confirmed by our Symantec Systems Engineer that in this case, the next major release is 6.5. I also had this confirmed by the local SE Manager. > So I'm quite confident that these questions don't apply to 6.5. Symantec is saying differently. If you're running RHEL 3, please contact Symantec and see if you get the same answer. I'd sure appreciate confirmation. > In my experience, NBU has been good about fully supporting an OS > revision for AT LEAST as long as the OS vendor is still providing > general fixes for that version. For RH3, I think that will be true > until November of this year. Reference: > > http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/errata/ I've checked that and Red Hat will provide security fixes through October 31, 2010. That's how long Red Hat expects customers to still be running this release. Again, note that GENERAL support for Win2K has already ended yet NetBackup will support it in their next major release. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
FYI on this topic of NBU support and RedHat 3 in particular... Ed, you wrote that: > Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop > support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will > be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you > off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops > supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released > 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup > 6.5. I must respectfully disagree with this "Fact:". The relevant Symantec publication on this topic seems to be p.3-4 of the NetBackup 6 OS Supportability Matrix, found here: http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/278064.pdf In particular, references to RH 3 include a footnote that reads, "Next major release following NetBackup 6.0 will not support this OS Version. This status could change if market and/or vendor support positions change." For the past 8 years that I've been using NBU and reading these supportability statements, the phrase "next major release" has consistently referred to the next major version number. i.e., NetBackup 7.0 (or NBU 8, or NBU 2008, or whatever TPTB decide to call it). So I'm quite confident that these questions don't apply to 6.5. In my experience, NBU has been good about fully supporting an OS revision for AT LEAST as long as the OS vendor is still providing general fixes for that version. For RH3, I think that will be true until November of this year. Reference: http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/errata/ HTH rob ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
This makes the assumption someone at Symantec actually looks at these things. I don't know of anyone who has posted on this link that has ever seen a response. I know I haven't. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Ball Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:09 PM To: Ed Wilts; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support To all the folks who have active Veritas support contracts, and who are struggling with Veritas's patchy linux support - can I suggest we all add our thoughts to: http://enhancement.veritas.com/ At least that way there's some chance that someone further up from your local account rep will see it. :-) Regards, Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 2:18 AM To: List Veritas List Subject: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an enterprise platform. Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup 6.5. Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. This should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does not seem to be supported. Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris only. Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do not go without notice. I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux support, contact your Symantec reps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Can someone please send me the link to the client compatibility matrix for Netbackup 4.5? I can never seem to find what I'm looking for on the support web site... TIA, Neil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Ball Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:09 PM To: Ed Wilts; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support To all the folks who have active Veritas support contracts, and who are struggling with Veritas's patchy linux support - can I suggest we all add our thoughts to: http://enhancement.veritas.com/ At least that way there's some chance that someone further up from your local account rep will see it. :-) Regards, Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 2:18 AM To: List Veritas List Subject: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an enterprise platform. Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup 6.5. Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. This should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does not seem to be supported. Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris only. Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do not go without notice. I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux support, contact your Symantec reps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 08:08:48AM +1000, Tristan Ball wrote: > To all the folks who have active Veritas support contracts, and who > are struggling with Veritas's patchy linux support - can I suggest we > all add our thoughts to: http://enhancement.veritas.com/ We're not asking for enhancements. We're asking that they support the operating systems that are still on active support by their manufacturers. If Red Hat has dropped support, I'd agree with Symantec's position. Right now, Symantec's position sucks. I have completed the form though and I'll see if I even get a response. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
To all the folks who have active Veritas support contracts, and who are struggling with Veritas's patchy linux support - can I suggest we all add our thoughts to: http://enhancement.veritas.com/ At least that way there's some chance that someone further up from your local account rep will see it. :-) Regards, Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 2:18 AM To: List Veritas List Subject: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an enterprise platform. Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup 6.5. Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. This should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does not seem to be supported. Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris only. Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do not go without notice. I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux support, contact your Symantec reps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 04:27:41PM -0400, Martin, Jonathan (Contractor) wrote: > Comment #98- Next major release following NetBackup 6.0 will not support > this OS version. This status could change if market and/or vendor > support positions change. > > Talk about CYA! That's only next to the 64Bit and Older versions of > RedHat and SLES. The newer versions (Redhat 4 / SLES9) have no such > comment for 32bit, although the 64bit is a bit disconcerting. =/ Yeah, my sales rep is saying "no decision has been made" yet Symantec has officially documented "no support". Which vendor support positions are they talking about? The one by Red Hat that says RHEL 3 is supported through October, 2010? Or the one that by Microsoft by says that Win2K is no longer supported but Symantec is chosing to support it anyway? RHEL 3 is not an "older version" - it's not the current version, but it's the one that even Symantec forces us to deploy today for some of their enterprise products. The only thing that I believe will get Symantec to change their minds is the "market support position". We, as the customer community, have to tell Symantec that their support commitment sucks and is not acceptable. Red Hat is commited to RHEL 3 - why won't Symantec commit to it? .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
All doom and gloom in the Linux camp today! Take heart my fellow hoohum'in Penguins! http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise _Server/278064.pdf Comment #98- Next major release following NetBackup 6.0 will not support this OS version. This status could change if market and/or vendor support positions change. Talk about CYA! That's only next to the 64Bit and Older versions of RedHat and SLES. The newer versions (Redhat 4 / SLES9) have no such comment for 32bit, although the 64bit is a bit disconcerting. =/ I personally am hoping to upgrade to Redhat Media Servers when we upgrade to 6! Keep the faith! (Whatever small amount there may be left!) -J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:48 PM To: Scott Jacobson Cc: List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:44:19AM -0600, Scott Jacobson wrote: > Ed, > > What about the other "white meat". We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes > running as both Master and Media Servers. Symantec doesn't support Brightmail on any Linux distribution other than RHEL 3 AS and RHEL 3 ES. That should tell you something about their Linux commitment too - after all, I'd put SLES in the same category as RHEL for enterprise-quality (even though I've never worked with SLES). I've not looked at NetBackup support on SLES at all. .../Ed > > ;-) > > -sj > > >>> Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2006 10:17 AM >>> > I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of > Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate > and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long > and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to > demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an > enterprise platform. > > Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will > drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and > will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut > you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops > supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was > released > 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup > 6.5. > Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended > and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. > This > should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. > > Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're > deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec > enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec > enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still > Symantec hasn't started supporting it. I just searched the support > site for the system requirements in case my local office was wrong, > and RHEL 4 still does not seem to be supported. > > Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris > only. > > Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying > to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec > folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do > not go without notice. > > I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to > support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced > our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We > spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. > > Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux > support, contact your Symantec reps. > > .../Ed > > -- > Ed Wilts, RHCE > Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > > > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Or for that matter, OES/Linux. It'd be really nice to *at least* run media servers w/ OES, so cluster nodes could back themselves up. I was told "it's not on the roadmap as of Feb/06" ~ Robin >>> "Scott Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/10/06 9:44 AM >>> Ed, What about the other "white meat". We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes running as both Master and Media Servers. ;- ) - sj ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Looks like they're about as supported as each other... under 6.0. http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise _Server/278064.pdf Things that crack me up though, are things like... ITANIUM SUPPORT being the cats meow! I mean, come on, did everyone out there seriously pick Intel over AMD in the 64-bit platform arena?? (if you did, sorry) ~Kate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:48 PM To: Scott Jacobson Cc: List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:44:19AM -0600, Scott Jacobson wrote: > Ed, > > What about the other "white meat". We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes > running as both Master and Media Servers. Symantec doesn't support Brightmail on any Linux distribution other than RHEL 3 AS and RHEL 3 ES. That should tell you something about their Linux commitment too - after all, I'd put SLES in the same category as RHEL for enterprise-quality (even though I've never worked with SLES). I've not looked at NetBackup support on SLES at all. .../Ed > > ;-) > > -sj > > >>> Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2006 10:17 AM >>> > I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of > Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate > and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long > and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to > demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an > enterprise platform. > > Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will > drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and > will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut > you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops > supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was > released > 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup > 6.5. > Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended > and > full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. > This > should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. > > Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're > deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec > enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec > enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still > Symantec hasn't > started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system > requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does > not seem to be supported. > > Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris > only. > > Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying > to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec > folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do > not go > without notice. > > I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to > support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced > our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We > spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. > > Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux > support, contact your Symantec reps. > > .../Ed > > -- > Ed Wilts, RHCE > Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > > > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:44:19AM -0600, Scott Jacobson wrote: > Ed, > > What about the other "white meat". We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes > running as both Master and Media Servers. Symantec doesn't support Brightmail on any Linux distribution other than RHEL 3 AS and RHEL 3 ES. That should tell you something about their Linux commitment too - after all, I'd put SLES in the same category as RHEL for enterprise-quality (even though I've never worked with SLES). I've not looked at NetBackup support on SLES at all. .../Ed > > ;-) > > -sj > > >>> Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2006 10:17 AM >>> > I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of > Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate > and > a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and > hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to > demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an > enterprise platform. > > Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will > drop > support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will > be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you > off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops > supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was > released > 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup > 6.5. > Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended > and > full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. > This > should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. > > Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're > deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec > enterprise > product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise > product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec > hasn't > started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system > requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does > not seem to be supported. > > Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris > only. > > Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying > to > explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec folks > on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do not > go > without notice. > > I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for > NetBackup > and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the > platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced our master and > one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more > money but at least I know it will work. > > Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux > support, contact your Symantec reps. > > .../Ed > > -- > Ed Wilts, RHCE > Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > > > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
I'm with you. Linux for enterprise is a reality. RedHat and Suse are the two main commercial variants. We use RHEL here and they used it at Cisco when I worked there as well. Not supporting the two main commercial distros is showing a lack of recognizing reality. My company has no plans to move to SLES from RHEL anytime soon. If forced into choosing between changing our Linux distro or our backup solution I'm not sure which would win and would think Symantec wouldn't want to be tied to one or the other. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greenberg, Katherine A Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:28 PM To: Dhotre, Shekhar; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support I don't honestly know of a single company these days that isn't looking at Linux for one reason or another... Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dhotre, Shekhar Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support >>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:44 PM To: Ed Wilts; List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Ed, What about the other "white meat". We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes running as both Master and Media Servers. ;-) -sj >>> Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2006 10:17 AM >>> I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an enterprise platform. Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup 6.5. Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. This should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does not seem to be supported. Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris only. Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do not go without notice. I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux support, contact your Symantec reps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu - "This email (including any attachments) is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on the information contained in it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and delete the email from your system. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Lend Lease d
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Perceived lower TCO, percieved increased stability compared to Windows, less prone to viral infections as opposed to Windows, perceived increased ability to harden Linux versus, Windows, to name a few reasons why we've chosen to look at Linux. In some technology spaces it makes sense, in others, it doesn't. The key operative above is, "perceived". Dhotre, Shekhar wrote: I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Scott Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:44 PM To: Ed Wilts; List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Ed, What about the other "white meat". We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes running as both Master and Media Servers. ;-) -sj Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2006 10:17 AM >>> I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an enterprise platform. Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup 6.5. Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. This should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does not seem to be supported. Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris only. Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do not go without notice. I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux support, contact your Symantec reps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu - "This email (including any attachments) is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on the information contained in it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and delete the email from your system. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Lend Lease does not guarantee that this email or the attachment(s) are unaffected by computer virus, corruption or other defects. Lend Lease may monitor incoming and outgoing emails for compliance with its Email Policy. Please note that our servers may not be located in your country." ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu -- === Steven L. Sesar Senior Operating Systems Programmer/Analyst UNIX Application Services R101 The MITRE Corporation 202 Burlington Road - KS101 Bedford, MA 01730 tel: (781) 271-7702 fax: (781) 271-2600 mobile: (617) 893-9635 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
I don't honestly know of a single company these days that isn't looking at Linux for one reason or another... Unless you aren't. And then I'll know of one :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dhotre, Shekhar Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:23 PM To: Scott Jacobson; Ed Wilts; List Veritas List Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support >>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:44 PM To: Ed Wilts; List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Ed, What about the other "white meat". We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes running as both Master and Media Servers. ;-) -sj >>> Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2006 10:17 AM >>> I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an enterprise platform. Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup 6.5. Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. This should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does not seem to be supported. Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris only. Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do not go without notice. I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux support, contact your Symantec reps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu - "This email (including any attachments) is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on the information contained in it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and delete the email from your system. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Lend Lease does not guarantee that this email or the attachment(s) are unaffected by computer virus, corruption or other defects. Lend Lease may monitor incoming and outgoing emails for compliance with its Email Policy. Please note that our servers may not be located in your country." ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
>>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:44 PM To: Ed Wilts; List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Ed, What about the other "white meat". We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes running as both Master and Media Servers. ;-) -sj >>> Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2006 10:17 AM >>> I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an enterprise platform. Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup 6.5. Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. This should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does not seem to be supported. Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris only. Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do not go without notice. I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux support, contact your Symantec reps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu - "This email (including any attachments) is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on the information contained in it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and delete the email from your system. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. Lend Lease does not guarantee that this email or the attachment(s) are unaffected by computer virus, corruption or other defects. Lend Lease may monitor incoming and outgoing emails for compliance with its Email Policy. Please note that our servers may not be located in your country." ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Thanks for the info Ed. I will definitely be contacting my rep and engineer regarding this. I don't want to be stuck back too far in order to support RHEL3. We have more and more Linux server here, running various editions of RedHat, from RedHat 9, to RHEL2-4. RHEL4 currently has no BMR support- slated for 6.0MP4. We'll see. One of the reasons we went with NBU was cross-platform compatibility and functionality. It will be pathetic if we would have to abandon NBU because of support. Jason > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:18 PM > To: List Veritas List > Subject: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support > > I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their > use of Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* > Linux advocate and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would > advise that you think long and hard about this decision. > Symantec has not yet been able to demonstrate any > willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an > enterprise platform. > > Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, > will drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in > October, 2003 and will be supported by Red Hat through > October, 2010. Symantec will cut you off with its current > release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops supporting the > OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released > 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by > NetBackup 6.5. > Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already > ended and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL > 3 support ends. This should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. > > Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if > you're deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One > Symantec enterprise product will soon be unable to back up > another Symantec enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for > over a year and still Symantec hasn't started supporting it. > I just searched the support site for the system requirements > in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does not > seem to be supported. > > Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or > Solaris only. > > Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the > face trying to explain this to my local office. I know that > there are Symantec folks on this list - feel free to pass > this on. Symantec's actions do not go without notice. > > I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux > for NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be > trusted to support the platform as it should be trusted. We > recently replaced our master and one of our media servers and > stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more money but at least I > know it will work. > > Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and > Linux support, contact your Symantec reps. > > .../Ed > > -- > Ed Wilts, RHCE > Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
We are also interested in long term support for SLES on Zseries. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:44 AM To: Ed Wilts; List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Ed, What about the other "white meat". We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes running as both Master and Media Servers. ;-) -sj >>> Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2006 10:17 AM >>> I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an enterprise platform. Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup 6.5. Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. This should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does not seem to be supported. Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris only. Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do not go without notice. I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux support, contact your Symantec reps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information of Northwestern Mutual. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify Northwestern Mutual immediately by returning it to the sender and delete all copies from your system. Please be advised that communications received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center are secure. Communications that are not received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center may not be secure and could be observed by a third party. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Oh wait, Scott? Who do you work for? :-P We are also going to be deploying NetBackup w/ SLES. Had a hiccup with the NBU 5 release we were running and wanting to use 64-bit architecture. Working back towards this as an option. RedHat got greedy and has a crappy licensing model and I think a lot of people are moving away from them as *the choice* for Enterprise Linux deployment (just what I've heard in mumbles and gripes). And if you look at the fact that SLES is supported on everything from 32-bit to 64-bit to Z-series mainframes (as a client, at least), I think they're being smart and spotting the direction of the industry away from RedHat. My gripe with Symantec as a WHOLE is a complete lack of interest/support/caring/notice for the fact that there are freaks out here deploying SLES on IBM Power platform. Symantec won't even consider this a *direction* of the industry, however, aside from Microsoft (**chuckle**) they are the ONLY Tier 1/Top 10 software manufacturer who isn't at least looking at this as viable... let alone that IBM and Oracle have most of their product stack ported to this platform... :-D Enjoy your day! Kate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:44 PM To: Ed Wilts; List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support Ed, What about the other "white meat". We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes running as both Master and Media Servers. ;-) -sj >>> Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2006 10:17 AM >>> I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an enterprise platform. Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup 6.5. Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. This should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does not seem to be supported. Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris only. Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do not go without notice. I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux support, contact your Symantec reps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu - This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
Ed, What about the other "white meat". We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes running as both Master and Media Servers. ;-) -sj >>> Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2006 10:17 AM >>> I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of Linux as NetBackup servers. Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and hard about this decision. Symantec has not yet been able to demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an enterprise platform. Fact: NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop support for RHEL 3. RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010. Symantec will cut you off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops supporting the OS. On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released 2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup 6.5. Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. This should show you where Symantec's priorities lie. Fact: Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3. One Symantec enterprise product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise product. RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does not seem to be supported. Fact: NOM on Linux. Nope, it doesn't exist. Windows or Solaris only. Symantec doesn't seem to get it. I'm turning blue in the face trying to explain this to my local office. I know that there are Symantec folks on this list - feel free to pass this on. Symantec's actions do not go without notice. I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the platform as it should be trusted. We recently replaced our master and one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris. We spent a lot more money but at least I know it will work. Enough rambling. If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux support, contact your Symantec reps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, RHCE Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
