Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
I think Paul's summary is right on the money. I also am not a lawyer and never went to law school, but I read the modified rules at http://www.uscourts.gov/rules/archive.htm. Civil Rule 16 Civil Rule 26 Civil Rule 33 Civil Rule 34 Civil Rule 37 Civil Rule 45 There's actually a safe harbor statement that says that if you have a policy of deleting data at a certain period of time, and you can't provide it to a court/plaintiff because of that policy, then they cannot assign any punitive charges for that. HOWEVER, once sued, all expiration stops. If you get an e-discovery request, and it's asking for tapes from a certain period, you'd better immediately set them to never expire and write protect (or at least segregate) those suckers. This is really just a clarification of what's been going on in civil cases for years. It doesn't change what anybody has to keep for how long, or anything like that. All it does is tell you what to do when sued, and says that it's OK if you delete stuff BEFORE being sued. --- W. Curtis Preston, Author of Backup Recovery and Using SANs and NAS VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Keating Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:06 AM To: Bobby Williams; WEAVER, Simon; Bob Stump; Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity The issue is not arbitrary. For instance.if you have a policy that all category X data isdestroyed after 6 months, and you get sued and have to provide all dataof category X for the past yearyou cannot say Oh crap, I've got allthis data of category X that's older than 6 months, I'd better destroyit. If you have it, you cannot destroy it, when you get sued.you'dbetter be destroying it, as a matter of practice, as soon as the policystates it can be destroyed. If you haven't got documented precidence of strictly adhering to yourpublished policy, then you can't use the policy as justification for thedata you just destroyed. Paul -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Williams Sent: December 6, 2006 10:09 AM To: Paul Keating; WEAVER, Simon; Bob Stump; Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity the rule that became law on 12/1/06 seems to make it a crime to arbitrarily start erasing tapes. Does anyone have a link to the law that is causing all of the E-discovery discussions? Bobby La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank ofCanada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of thisemail or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient isunauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately fromyour system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle.La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion,utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par unepersonne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevezce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai àl'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votreordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
That's why I advise people to use bplabel to relabel every tape in the scratch pool as soon as it gets there. Nobody that I know (and I know some pretty sharp people) knows how to get past the last file on tape marker that gets put at the end of that label. (Every time you write or append to a tape, the last file on the tape has a special file mark at the end of it saying it's the last file on tape. Every device driver in the world will stop there and not go farther when reading the tape. When writing to the tape, of course, it will overwrite that marker and then write another one at the end of what you append to the tape.) --- W. Curtis Preston, Author of Backup Recovery and Using SANs and NAS VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:34 AM To: 'Bob Stump'; 'Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity Bob As long as you have the Media on tape, even if it the media has expired from the Catalog itself, the tapes can be imported? That counts as being able to retain the Data and restore it (although just not as quick!) Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bob Stump [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2006 14:31 To: WEAVER, Simon; 'Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity BEWARE that many times you are legally obligated to maintain 7 years of data. Unfortunately, you may be required to ALSO provide data past the 7 year legal requirement IF you have it and IF you can restore it. One company I was at, determined that infinity should only be 7 years in order to avoid a court order to provide the older data. They not only had me change the current policies to use a 7 year retention, they also had me recalculate the expiration dates on existing images that were set to infinite (2038) retention. That edict came from their legal department. DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer and I've never played one on the tele. WEAVER, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/6/2006 1:59 AM Guys Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24. Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for say 10 years. Thanks Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
A retention level setting is programmable by you. That is, you can make Level n be just about any amount of time you wish. If you need, for example, a 10-year retention, pick one of your unused levels and change its value to 10 years. On the v5.1 Admin Console, this is done by choosing the property sheet for a master server under NetBackup Management/Host Properties. cheers, wayne WEAVER, Simon wrote, in part: */Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24./* *//* */Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for say 10 years./* ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
Hi Wayne A now I understand. If I can customise it, EVEN better! Cheers Wayne! Appreciate the reply Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Wayne T Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2006 08:00 To: List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity A retention level setting is programmable by you. That is, you can make Level n be just about any amount of time you wish. If you need, for example, a 10-year retention, pick one of your unused levels and change its value to 10 years. On the v5.1 Admin Console, this is done by choosing the property sheet for a master server under NetBackup Management/Host Properties. cheers, wayne WEAVER, Simon wrote, in part: */Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24./* *//* */Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for say 10 years./* ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
Wayne Quick Q - Level 9 is not changeable. Do you know what infinite date would be set? Would be it something like 2030 ? Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Wayne T Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2006 08:00 To: List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity A retention level setting is programmable by you. That is, you can make Level n be just about any amount of time you wish. If you need, for example, a 10-year retention, pick one of your unused levels and change its value to 10 years. On the v5.1 Admin Console, this is done by choosing the property sheet for a master server under NetBackup Management/Host Properties. cheers, wayne WEAVER, Simon wrote, in part: */Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24./* *//* */Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for say 10 years./* ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
Bobby Confirmed its 2038 - done a test! Its unlikely NBU 5.1 will ever be around by then Unless its for sale on eBay :-) Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bobby Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2006 11:19 To: WEAVER, Simon; 'Wayne T Smith'; 'List Veritas List' Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity I am sure that it is 2038, but I can't verify right now. A word of caution about custom levels. If you have multiple masters in your organization, make sure that you customize them all the same. When you import a tape (DR or alternate site or some other reason) to another master, the tape will import with only the retention level (i.e. 9 or 6) not a retention period. It is very unnoticeable, but you could import some long term tape (customized) to a much shorter retention level. There is also an immediate that can be set. It can mess up your day to import a 10 year tape to another system as immediate (which means expire the backup as soon as it is done). The immediate is good for testing throughput or mechanical motions of robotics or even excludes/includes and bpstart up scripts. Bobby Williams 2205 Peterson Drive Chattanooga, Tennessee 37421 423-296-8200 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:10 AM To: 'Wayne T Smith'; List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity Wayne Quick Q - Level 9 is not changeable. Do you know what infinite date would be set? Would be it something like 2030 ? Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Wayne T Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2006 08:00 To: List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity A retention level setting is programmable by you. That is, you can make Level n be just about any amount of time you wish. If you need, for example, a 10-year retention, pick one of your unused levels and change its value to 10 years. On the v5.1 Admin Console, this is done by choosing the property sheet for a master server under NetBackup Management/Host Properties. cheers, wayne WEAVER, Simon wrote, in part: */Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24./* *//* */Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for say 10 years./* ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
I am sure that it is 2038, but I can't verify right now. A word of caution about custom levels. If you have multiple masters in your organization, make sure that you customize them all the same. When you import a tape (DR or alternate site or some other reason) to another master, the tape will import with only the retention level (i.e. 9 or 6) not a retention period. It is very unnoticeable, but you could import some long term tape (customized) to a much shorter retention level. There is also an immediate that can be set. It can mess up your day to import a 10 year tape to another system as immediate (which means expire the backup as soon as it is done). The immediate is good for testing throughput or mechanical motions of robotics or even excludes/includes and bpstart up scripts. Bobby Williams 2205 Peterson Drive Chattanooga, Tennessee 37421 423-296-8200 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:10 AM To: 'Wayne T Smith'; List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity Wayne Quick Q - Level 9 is not changeable. Do you know what infinite date would be set? Would be it something like 2030 ? Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Wayne T Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2006 08:00 To: List Veritas List Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity A retention level setting is programmable by you. That is, you can make Level n be just about any amount of time you wish. If you need, for example, a 10-year retention, pick one of your unused levels and change its value to 10 years. On the v5.1 Admin Console, this is done by choosing the property sheet for a master server under NetBackup Management/Host Properties. cheers, wayne WEAVER, Simon wrote, in part: */Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24./* *//* */Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for say 10 years./* ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
Change one of the infinity retention settings that isn't being used (number of policies using any given retention listed there) to 10 years. We use this one here for long term archiving. You'll find it under your Master Server properties. -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:00 AM To: 'Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity Guys Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24. Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for say 10 years. Thanks Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
BEWARE that many times you are legally obligated to maintain 7 years of data. Unfortunately, you may be required to ALSO provide data past the 7 year legal requirement IF you have it and IF you can restore it. One company I was at, determined that infinity should only be 7 years in order to avoid a court order to provide the older data. They not only had me change the current policies to use a 7 year retention, they also had me recalculate the expiration dates on existing images that were set to infinite (2038) retention. That edict came from their legal department. DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer and I've never played one on the tele. WEAVER, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/6/2006 1:59 AM Guys Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24. Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for say 10 years. Thanks RegardsSimon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
Bob As long as you have the Media on tape, even if it the media has expired from the Catalog itself, the tapes can be imported? That counts as being able to retain the Data and restore it (although just not as quick!) Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bob Stump [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2006 14:31 To: WEAVER, Simon; 'Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity BEWARE that many times you are legally obligated to maintain 7 years of data. Unfortunately, you may be required to ALSO provide data past the 7 year legal requirement IF you have it and IF you can restore it. One company I was at, determined that infinity should only be 7 years in order to avoid a court order to provide the older data. They not only had me change the current policies to use a 7 year retention, they also had me recalculate the expiration dates on existing images that were set to infinite (2038) retention. That edict came from their legal department. DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer and I've never played one on the tele. WEAVER, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/6/2006 1:59 AM Guys Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24. Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for say 10 years. Thanks Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
However if you keep only enough spare media in the scratch pool to leave enough to do a full backup, plus only a small buffer, then your tapes will usually be overwritten within a week or two of the retention expiring. Paul -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon Sent: December 6, 2006 9:34 AM To: 'Bob Stump'; 'Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity Bob As long as you have the Media on tape, even if it the media has expired from the Catalog itself, the tapes can be imported? That counts as being able to retain the Data and restore it (although just not as quick!) La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
the rule that became law on 12/1/06 seems to make it a crime to arbitrarily start erasing tapes. Does anyone have a link to the law that is causing all of the E-discovery discussions? Bobby From: Paul Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/12/06 Wed AM 09:37:24 EST To: WEAVER, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bob Stump [EMAIL PROTECTED], Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity However if you keep only enough spare media in the scratch pool to leave enough to do a full backup, plus only a small buffer, then your tapes will usually be overwritten within a week or two of the retention expiring. Paul -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon Sent: December 6, 2006 9:34 AM To: 'Bob Stump'; 'Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity Bob As long as you have the Media on tape, even if it the media has expired from the Catalog itself, the tapes can be imported? That counts as being able to retain the Data and restore it (although just not as quick!) La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. Bobby Williams 2205 Peterson Drive Chattanooga, TN 37421 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
Agreed Simon, I have written a script to report on every image, which tape it resides on and which file number each fragment resides on the tape, we have used the report a number of times to retrieve info from tape that has expired in NBU. We used this method as purely a get of jail card and not as rule of thumb as data could quite easily be overwritten once the images have expired. If tapes are shipped off site indefinitely then this would be quite advantageous as long as the reports are kept, in that way you can keep your catalog manageable and additionally have record of data off site. Hope my two pennies help. Dave From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon Sent: 06 December 2006 14:34 To: 'Bob Stump'; 'Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity Bob As long as you have the Media on tape, even if it the media has expired from the Catalog itself, the tapes can be imported? That counts as being able to retain the Data and restore it (although just not as quick!) Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bob Stump [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2006 14:31 To: WEAVER, Simon; 'Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity BEWARE that many times you are legally obligated to maintain 7 years of data. Unfortunately, you may be required to ALSO provide data past the 7 year legal requirement IF you have it and IF you can restore it. One company I was at, determined that infinity should only be 7 years in order to avoid a court order to provide the older data. They not only had me change the current policies to use a 7 year retention, they also had me recalculate the expiration dates on existing images that were set to infinite (2038) retention. That edict came from their legal department. DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer and I've never played one on the tele. WEAVER, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/6/2006 1:59 AM Guys Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24. Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for say 10 years. Thanks Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England Notice to recipient: The information in this internet e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended addressee please notify the sender immediately by telephone. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to external clients any opinions or advice contained in this internet e-mail are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any applicable governing
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
Works for me too here David! So will stick with it :-) Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clooney, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2006 16:19 To: WEAVER, Simon; Bob Stump; Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity Agreed Simon, I have written a script to report on every image, which tape it resides on and which file number each fragment resides on the tape, we have used the report a number of times to retrieve info from tape that has expired in NBU. We used this method as purely a get of jail card and not as rule of thumb as data could quite easily be overwritten once the images have expired. If tapes are shipped off site indefinitely then this would be quite advantageous as long as the reports are kept, in that way you can keep your catalog manageable and additionally have record of data off site. Hope my two pennies help. Dave _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon Sent: 06 December 2006 14:34 To: 'Bob Stump'; 'Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity Bob As long as you have the Media on tape, even if it the media has expired from the Catalog itself, the tapes can be imported? That counts as being able to retain the Data and restore it (although just not as quick!) Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bob Stump [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2006 14:31 To: WEAVER, Simon; 'Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity BEWARE that many times you are legally obligated to maintain 7 years of data. Unfortunately, you may be required to ALSO provide data past the 7 year legal requirement IF you have it and IF you can restore it. One company I was at, determined that infinity should only be 7 years in order to avoid a court order to provide the older data. They not only had me change the current policies to use a 7 year retention, they also had me recalculate the expiration dates on existing images that were set to infinite (2038) retention. That edict came from their legal department. DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer and I've never played one on the tele. WEAVER, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/6/2006 1:59 AM Guys Regarding the retension setting under any schedule. After 1 year, it moves from Infinity Level 9 to Level 24. Just what level should be used it you want to retain something for say 10 years. Thanks Regards Simon Weaver 3rd Line Technical Support Windows Domain Administrator EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS) Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England _ Notice to recipient: The information in this internet e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended addressee please notify the sender immediately by telephone. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken
Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity
The issue is not arbitrary. For instance.if you have a policy that all category X data isdestroyed after 6 months, and you get sued and have to provide all dataof category X for the past yearyou cannot say Oh crap, I've got allthis data of category X that's older than 6 months, I'd better destroyit. If you have it, you cannot destroy it, when you get sued.you'dbetter be destroying it, as a matter of practice, as soon as the policystates it can be destroyed. If you haven't got documented precidence of strictly adhering to yourpublished policy, then you can't use the policy as justification for thedata you just destroyed. Paul -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Williams Sent: December 6, 2006 10:09 AM To: Paul Keating; WEAVER, Simon; Bob Stump; Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Infinity backup and level of infinity the rule that became law on 12/1/06 seems to make it a crime to arbitrarily start erasing tapes. Does anyone have a link to the law that is causing all of the E-discovery discussions? Bobby La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank ofCanada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of thisemail or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient isunauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately fromyour system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle.La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion,utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par unepersonne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevezce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai àl'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votreordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
