Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
I spoke about this a while back with Symantec (3 weeks or so), and its not "fully" supported by them yet. In test, you can do what you like but as it stands, it is possible, but Symantec cannot offer assistance at this stage. Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schneider, Matthew J. Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:25 PM To: Honeybrook, Kate; Holowinski,Scott; Curtis Preston; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Anyone have any update on weather or not the master alone is supported as a VM? Havent raised the question to Symantec rep yet. Thanks! Sry for the double email Kate ;) Regards, Matthew J. Schneider -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Honeybrook, Kate Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:54 PM To: Holowinski, Scott; Curtis Preston; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers As I said earlier we currently have our master server virtualised under ESX and it was setup by Symantec themselves. Therefore I was under the impression that virtualizing a master server is supported, but media server is not due to the I/O. Regards, Kate Honeybrook -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Holowinski, Scott Sent: Monday, 26 May 2008 8:07 AM To: Curtis Preston; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers I called support about this because it was something my company was interested in doing (Virtualizing just the master) and was told that it would be supported eventually and though they could not promise a date, it could be as early as the first quarter of next year for ESX and Hypervisor. I was also told that if you work with your Symantec rep you might be able to get a support exception for a virtual master server. >From the responses on the board I am guessing no one else has called recently or I got a rouge tech to answer my question. -Original Message- From: Curtis Preston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:13 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Because many people use their master server as a media server. Symantec's not going to support it as a master server unless it can also be a media server. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrea bolongaro Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hello everybody, ok it is not supported. It' clear for me... problems are related to robotics/san etc... But why do not support a Virtual Master Server if all robotics stuff is duty of a physical media server? regards, Andrea +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu DISCLAIMER:- -- This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary or copyright material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. They are for the use of the intended recipient only. Any unauthorised viewing, use, disclosure, copying, alteration, storage or distribution of, or reliance on, t
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Im of the view that the NetBackup Server is your "recovery Server". Or put it another way ... your life boat! If your sinking and in trouble. you need a life boat to come to the rescue... If your VM Master is on a HOST that is destroyed, and you dont have any "HA" then you could well be in trouble, and could risk longer recovery time ! Where poss, keep your boat seperate from your live environment even a seperate room for that matter if you can justify costs, ect Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of oersted Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:56 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers I can think of no good reason to VM a master server, other than "because I can" or "because I want to". leave it be Schneider, Matthew J. wrote: > Anyone have any update on weather or not the master alone is supported as a VM? > Havent raised the question to Symantec rep yet. Thanks! > > Sry for the double email Kate ;) > > Regards, > > Matthew J. Schneider > > > -Original Message- > From: veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of > Honeybrook, Kate > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:54 PM > To: Holowinski, Scott; Curtis Preston; VERITAS-BU < at > > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > > As I said earlier we currently have our master server virtualised > under ESX and it was setup by Symantec themselves. Therefore I was > under the impression that virtualizing a master server is supported, > but media server is not due to the I/O. > > Regards, > > Kate Honeybrook > > > -Original Message- > From: veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of > Holowinski, Scott > Sent: Monday, 26 May 2008 8:07 AM > To: Curtis Preston; VERITAS-BU < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > > I called support about this because it was something my company was > interested in doing (Virtualizing just the master) and was told that > it would be supported eventually and though they could not promise a > date, it could be as early as the first quarter of next year for ESX > and Hypervisor. > > I was also told that if you work with your Symantec rep you might be > able to get a support exception for a virtual master server. > > > > From the responses on the board I am guessing no one else has called > > > recently or I got a rouge tech to answer my question. > > -Original Message- > From: Curtis Preston [mailto:cpreston < at > glasshouse.com] > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:13 PM > To: VERITAS-BU < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > > Because many people use their master server as a media server. > Symantec's not going to support it as a master server unless it can > also be a media server. > > > > Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection > GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. > > T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 > cpreston < at > glasshouse.com | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: > Optimized -Original Message- > From: veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of > andrea bolongaro > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:27 AM > To: VERITAS-BU < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > Subject: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > > > Hello everybody, > ok it is not supported. > > It' clear for me... problems are related to robotics/san etc... > > But why do not support a Virtual Master Server if all robotics stuff > is duty of a physical media server? > > regards, > > Andrea > > +- > +- > |This was sent by andrea.bolongaro < at > polimi.it via Backup Central. > |Forward SPAM to abuse < at > backupcentral.com. > +- > +- > > > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you hav
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
I've actually done it in the lab. It's totally unsupported and the throughput is absolute crap. Don't bother. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of oersted Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:56 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers I can think of no good reason to VM a master server, other than "because I can" or "because I want to". leave it be Schneider, Matthew J. wrote: > Anyone have any update on weather or not the master alone is supported as a > VM? > Havent raised the question to Symantec rep yet. Thanks! > > Sry for the double email Kate ;) > > Regards, > > Matthew J. Schneider > > > -Original Message- > From: veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of > Honeybrook, Kate > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:54 PM > To: Holowinski, Scott; Curtis Preston; VERITAS-BU < at > > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > > As I said earlier we currently have our master server virtualised under > ESX and it was setup by Symantec themselves. Therefore I was under the > impression that virtualizing a master server is supported, but media > server is not due to the I/O. > > Regards, > > Kate Honeybrook > > > -Original Message- > From: veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of > Holowinski, Scott > Sent: Monday, 26 May 2008 8:07 AM > To: Curtis Preston; VERITAS-BU < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > > I called support about this because it was something my company was > interested in doing (Virtualizing just the master) and was told that it > would be supported eventually and though they could not promise a date, > it could be as early as the first quarter of next year for ESX and > Hypervisor. > > I was also told that if you work with your Symantec rep you might be > able to get a support exception for a virtual master server. > > > > From the responses on the board I am guessing no one else has called > > > recently or I got a rouge tech to answer my question. > > -Original Message- > From: Curtis Preston [mailto:cpreston < at > glasshouse.com] > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:13 PM > To: VERITAS-BU < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > > Because many people use their master server as a media server. > Symantec's not going to support it as a master server unless it can also > be a media server. > > > > Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection > GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. > > T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 > cpreston < at > glasshouse.com | www.glasshouse.com > Infrastructure :: Optimized > -Original Message- > From: veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of andrea > bolongaro > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:27 AM > To: VERITAS-BU < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > Subject: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > > > Hello everybody, > ok it is not supported. > > It' clear for me... problems are related to robotics/san etc... > > But why do not support a Virtual Master Server if all robotics > stuff is duty of a physical media server? > > regards, > > Andrea > > +-- > |This was sent by andrea.bolongaro < at > polimi.it via Backup Central. > |Forward SPAM to abuse < at > backupcentral.com. > +-- > > > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu < at > mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the > system manager. This message contains confidential information and is > intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Schneider, Matthew J. < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone have any update on weather or not the master alone is supported as a > VM? It is not currently supported. .../Ed Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Anyone have any update on weather or not the master alone is supported as a VM? Havent raised the question to Symantec rep yet. Thanks! Sry for the double email Kate ;) Regards, Matthew J. Schneider -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Honeybrook, Kate Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:54 PM To: Holowinski, Scott; Curtis Preston; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers As I said earlier we currently have our master server virtualised under ESX and it was setup by Symantec themselves. Therefore I was under the impression that virtualizing a master server is supported, but media server is not due to the I/O. Regards, Kate Honeybrook -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Holowinski, Scott Sent: Monday, 26 May 2008 8:07 AM To: Curtis Preston; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers I called support about this because it was something my company was interested in doing (Virtualizing just the master) and was told that it would be supported eventually and though they could not promise a date, it could be as early as the first quarter of next year for ESX and Hypervisor. I was also told that if you work with your Symantec rep you might be able to get a support exception for a virtual master server. >From the responses on the board I am guessing no one else has called recently or I got a rouge tech to answer my question. -Original Message- From: Curtis Preston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:13 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Because many people use their master server as a media server. Symantec's not going to support it as a master server unless it can also be a media server. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrea bolongaro Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hello everybody, ok it is not supported. It' clear for me... problems are related to robotics/san etc... But why do not support a Virtual Master Server if all robotics stuff is duty of a physical media server? regards, Andrea +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu DISCLAIMER:--- This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary or copyright material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. They are for the use of the intended recipient only. Any unauthorised viewing, use, disclosure, copying, alteration, storage or distribution of, or reliance on, this message is strictly prohibited. No part may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written permission of the owner. If you have received this transmission in error, or are not an authorised recipient, please immediately notify the sender by return email, delete this message and all copies from your e-mail system, and destroy any printed copies. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient should not be deemed a waiver of any privilege or protection. Thales Australia does not warrant or represent that this e-mail or any doc
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
As I said earlier we currently have our master server virtualised under ESX and it was setup by Symantec themselves. Therefore I was under the impression that virtualizing a master server is supported, but media server is not due to the I/O. Regards, Kate Honeybrook -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Holowinski, Scott Sent: Monday, 26 May 2008 8:07 AM To: Curtis Preston; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers I called support about this because it was something my company was interested in doing (Virtualizing just the master) and was told that it would be supported eventually and though they could not promise a date, it could be as early as the first quarter of next year for ESX and Hypervisor. I was also told that if you work with your Symantec rep you might be able to get a support exception for a virtual master server. >From the responses on the board I am guessing no one else has called recently or I got a rouge tech to answer my question. -Original Message- From: Curtis Preston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:13 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Because many people use their master server as a media server. Symantec's not going to support it as a master server unless it can also be a media server. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrea bolongaro Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hello everybody, ok it is not supported. It' clear for me... problems are related to robotics/san etc... But why do not support a Virtual Master Server if all robotics stuff is duty of a physical media server? regards, Andrea +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu DISCLAIMER:--- This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary or copyright material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. They are for the use of the intended recipient only. Any unauthorised viewing, use, disclosure, copying, alteration, storage or distribution of, or reliance on, this message is strictly prohibited. No part may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written permission of the owner. If you have received this transmission in error, or are not an authorised recipient, please immediately notify the sender by return email, delete this message and all copies from your e-mail system, and destroy any printed copies. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient should not be deemed a waiver of any privilege or protection. Thales Australia does not warrant or represent that this e-mail or any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached are error or virus free. -- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
I called support about this because it was something my company was interested in doing (Virtualizing just the master) and was told that it would be supported eventually and though they could not promise a date, it could be as early as the first quarter of next year for ESX and Hypervisor. I was also told that if you work with your Symantec rep you might be able to get a support exception for a virtual master server. >From the responses on the board I am guessing no one else has called recently >or I got a rouge tech to answer my question. -Original Message- From: Curtis Preston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:13 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Because many people use their master server as a media server. Symantec's not going to support it as a master server unless it can also be a media server. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrea bolongaro Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hello everybody, ok it is not supported. It' clear for me... problems are related to robotics/san etc... But why do not support a Virtual Master Server if all robotics stuff is duty of a physical media server? regards, Andrea +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
NetBackup master or media server functionality is not supported in a Solaris container either. NBU has to be in the global zone. You can have a NetBackup client in a container, but not a master or media. .../Ed On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:25 PM, SIBLEY, Ken R. - ACCOR-NA < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is a shame as this is a great opportunity for Disaster Recovery. > It would be very easy to have a media server at the DR location > and use a virtual machine for the master server on the same physical > box as the media server. > > We are looking to do this using a Solaris Container with async replication > of our catalog so that it is up to date in the event of a disaster, but > no dedicated standby server is required. It may not be supported, but > we think it will work and hope to test it this year. > > This idea could be done with VM Ware (vm server/vm player), Virtual Iron, > Virtual Box, HP VM's, Solaris Containers, Solaris LDOMs, etc. > > Ken -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I've helped you, please make a donation to my favorite charity at http://firstgiving.com/edwilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
That is a shame as this is a great opportunity for Disaster Recovery. It would be very easy to have a media server at the DR location and use a virtual machine for the master server on the same physical box as the media server. We are looking to do this using a Solaris Container with async replication of our catalog so that it is up to date in the event of a disaster, but no dedicated standby server is required. It may not be supported, but we think it will work and hope to test it this year. This idea could be done with VM Ware (vm server/vm player), Virtual Iron, Virtual Box, HP VM's, Solaris Containers, Solaris LDOMs, etc. Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 1:13 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Because many people use their master server as a media server. Symantec's not going to support it as a master server unless it can also be a media server. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrea bolongaro Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hello everybody, ok it is not supported. It' clear for me... problems are related to robotics/san etc... But why do not support a Virtual Master Server if all robotics stuff is duty of a physical media server? regards, Andrea +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Because many people use their master server as a media server. Symantec's not going to support it as a master server unless it can also be a media server. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrea bolongaro Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hello everybody, ok it is not supported. It' clear for me... problems are related to robotics/san etc... But why do not support a Virtual Master Server if all robotics stuff is duty of a physical media server? regards, Andrea +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
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What's terrible about me running it in a lab? I'm just doing functionality testing of different backup products. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 6:46 AM To: Curtis Preston; Dave Carpe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Curtis Terrible ! :-) Anyhow, I for one will steer clear as its going to be attempting a physical connection to a Tape Library. But for DSU and D2D, should be ok. -Original Message- From: Curtis Preston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:49 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Dave Carpe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Not conflicting responses. Two responses to two questions: does it work at all and is it supported? It's definitely not supported, but I have found it to work in a LAB situation. It suits my purposes in a lab, but I don't know why anyone would use it in production, nor would I. How's that? Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:55 PM To: Dave Carpe; Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Dave / Curtis Ok - 2 conflicting responses here! If its unsupported, then from a business direction I guess its not a viable option to go this route. (If what you say is right with the I/O then that is the last thing I need). Simon -Original Message- From: Dave Carpe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:49 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to ligh
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
OK. The OS Compatibility Guide will show you that VMware supported as a client only and then references the best practices for backing up VMware document: http://support.veritas.com/docs/278064 The best practices document discusses running a media server within VMware on page 12: http://support.veritas.com/docs/285515 This explains the problems and the fact that VMware does not support Fibrechannel attached tape drives. NBU PM is looking at how we can support NBU Media servers on Virtual Machines for the future but right now, if you do it and have problems, Tech Support will make a best effort to help but it is ultimately unsupported. Best Regards, Dave David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Martin, Jonathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:24 AM To: Dave Carpe; Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Can you please be more specific on your massive I/O problems? Are we talking about SCSI? Fiber? Tape? Disk? VMWare claims 60,000 I/O per second per ESX Host (assuming your disk can keep up) and explicitly says no tape drives for their configs. I'd assume your problems are related to tape and not to disk? -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dave Carpe Sent: Thu 5/22/2008 1:48 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are c
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Jonathan Well I can vouch for SQL - use it clustered, non clustered and on VMware, and works well :-) as a Client Backup, and even backups to disk seems good ! Simon -Original Message- From: Martin, Jonathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:09 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Right - I was trying not to assume anything. For all I know, he means pure disk. I'm really looking for credible test results of VMWare I/O issues. I've seen some pretty credible benchmark results for applications like SQL Server and Exchange but we're headed in the Virtualization direction here and if David has results from non-tape devices I was hoping he would share. Heck, I'd be interested in any tape figures he has as well! That VMWare's performance with Tape is poor I think at this point is a given. "Massive problems with the I/O" could be just about anything. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:48 AM To: Martin, Jonathan; Dave Carpe; Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Jonathan Seeing as David is from Symantec, I kind of guess this is I/O to a physical tape library, as I use ESX alot here, just not in a Netbackup VM environment. -Original Message- From: Martin, Jonathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:24 PM To: Dave Carpe; Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Can you please be more specific on your massive I/O problems? Are we talking about SCSI? Fiber? Tape? Disk? VMWare claims 60,000 I/O per second per ESX Host (assuming your disk can keep up) and explicitly says no tape drives for their configs. I'd assume your problems are related to tape and not to disk? -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dave Carpe Sent: Thu 5/22/2008 1:48 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few month
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Right - I was trying not to assume anything. For all I know, he means pure disk. I'm really looking for credible test results of VMWare I/O issues. I've seen some pretty credible benchmark results for applications like SQL Server and Exchange but we're headed in the Virtualization direction here and if David has results from non-tape devices I was hoping he would share. Heck, I'd be interested in any tape figures he has as well! That VMWare's performance with Tape is poor I think at this point is a given. "Massive problems with the I/O" could be just about anything. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:48 AM To: Martin, Jonathan; Dave Carpe; Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Jonathan Seeing as David is from Symantec, I kind of guess this is I/O to a physical tape library, as I use ESX alot here, just not in a Netbackup VM environment. -Original Message- From: Martin, Jonathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:24 PM To: Dave Carpe; Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Can you please be more specific on your massive I/O problems? Are we talking about SCSI? Fiber? Tape? Disk? VMWare claims 60,000 I/O per second per ESX Host (assuming your disk can keep up) and explicitly says no tape drives for their configs. I'd assume your problems are related to tape and not to disk? -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dave Carpe Sent: Thu 5/22/2008 1:48 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." -
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Jonathan Seeing as David is from Symantec, I kind of guess this is I/O to a physical tape library, as I use ESX alot here, just not in a Netbackup VM environment. -Original Message- From: Martin, Jonathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:24 PM To: Dave Carpe; Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Can you please be more specific on your massive I/O problems? Are we talking about SCSI? Fiber? Tape? Disk? VMWare claims 60,000 I/O per second per ESX Host (assuming your disk can keep up) and explicitly says no tape drives for their configs. I'd assume your problems are related to tape and not to disk? -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dave Carpe Sent: Thu 5/22/2008 1:48 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disc
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Curtis Terrible ! :-) Anyhow, I for one will steer clear as its going to be attempting a physical connection to a Tape Library. But for DSU and D2D, should be ok. -Original Message- From: Curtis Preston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:49 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Dave Carpe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Not conflicting responses. Two responses to two questions: does it work at all and is it supported? It's definitely not supported, but I have found it to work in a LAB situation. It suits my purposes in a lab, but I don't know why anyone would use it in production, nor would I. How's that? Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:55 PM To: Dave Carpe; Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Dave / Curtis Ok - 2 conflicting responses here! If its unsupported, then from a business direction I guess its not a viable option to go this route. (If what you say is right with the I/O then that is the last thing I need). Simon -Original Message- From: Dave Carpe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:49 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files tr
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
I could see using VMWare for your master server and taking advantage of its superior DR capability via replicated storage. In the event of a DR scenario, simply fire up the VM master out in DR, attach a few physical media servers and you are good to go. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:49 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Dave Carpe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Not conflicting responses. Two responses to two questions: does it work at all and is it supported? It's definitely not supported, but I have found it to work in a LAB situation. It suits my purposes in a lab, but I don't know why anyone would use it in production, nor would I. How's that? Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:55 PM To: Dave Carpe; Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Dave / Curtis Ok - 2 conflicting responses here! If its unsupported, then from a business direction I guess its not a viable option to go this route. (If what you say is right with the I/O then that is the last thing I need). Simon -Original Message- From: Dave Carpe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:49 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu mai
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Not conflicting responses. Two responses to two questions: does it work at all and is it supported? It's definitely not supported, but I have found it to work in a LAB situation. It suits my purposes in a lab, but I don't know why anyone would use it in production, nor would I. How's that? Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:55 PM To: Dave Carpe; Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Dave / Curtis Ok - 2 conflicting responses here! If its unsupported, then from a business direction I guess its not a viable option to go this route. (If what you say is right with the I/O then that is the last thing I need). Simon -Original Message- From: Dave Carpe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:49 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Can you please be more specific on your massive I/O problems? Are we talking about SCSI? Fiber? Tape? Disk? VMWare claims 60,000 I/O per second per ESX Host (assuming your disk can keep up) and explicitly says no tape drives for their configs. I'd assume your problems are related to tape and not to disk? -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dave Carpe Sent: Thu 5/22/2008 1:48 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified.
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
If its not supported by Symantec, and you have a client that does not have the full experience of Netbackup or the hardware, then they could find themselves "out on a limb" ! Just want to avoid that From: Chacko, Savil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 6:46 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Has anyone tried to do this by zoning the tape drives and robot directly to the guest's WWN via NPIV? I would think you would have better success/performance that way than if you vitualized the targets and had the ESX host playing more of a middle man. Just wondering. -savil -- Sent using BlackBerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Dave Carpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Curtis Preston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Sent: Thu May 22 23:54:41 2008 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Dave / Curtis Ok - 2 conflicting responses here! If its unsupported, then from a business direction I guess its not a viable option to go this route. (If what you say is right with the I/O then that is the last thing I need). Simon -Original Message- From: Dave Carpe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:49 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the us
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Has anyone tried to do this by zoning the tape drives and robot directly to the guest's WWN via NPIV? I would think you would have better success/performance that way than if you vitualized the targets and had the ESX host playing more of a middle man. Just wondering. -savil -- Sent using BlackBerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Dave Carpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Curtis Preston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Sent: Thu May 22 23:54:41 2008 Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Dave / Curtis Ok - 2 conflicting responses here! If its unsupported, then from a business direction I guess its not a viable option to go this route. (If what you say is right with the I/O then that is the last thing I need). Simon -Original Message- From: Dave Carpe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:49 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/lis
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Dave / Curtis Ok - 2 conflicting responses here! If its unsupported, then from a business direction I guess its not a viable option to go this route. (If what you say is right with the I/O then that is the last thing I need). Simon -Original Message- From: Dave Carpe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:49 PM To: Curtis Preston; WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGI
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Hi Simon, The tape library is directly attached to the media server which is physical. Regards, Kate Honeybrook Systems Administrator Security Solutions and Services -- Enterprise Services THALES T : +61 (02) 9562 3106 F : +61 (02) 9562 2857 M : +61 (0) 447 421 253 -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2008 5:14 PM To: Honeybrook, Kate; Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Kate Can you just confirm the Master Server is communicating with a tape robotic library ? Physical one BTW :) Simon -Original Message- From: Honeybrook, Kate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:40 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Simon We currently had a Symantec do an upgrade at our site from version 5.1 to 6.5.1. We had a master media server combined on a physical box. After the upgrade we now a have a virtual master server and physical media. From what we are told they are now supported the master to be virtual but not the media server. We haven't had any problems since the master went virtual. Regards, Kate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2008 4:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
It is not supported. There are massive problems with the I/O. David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:13 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
It works for me just fine, but I don't think it's supported. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Kate Can you just confirm the Master Server is communicating with a tape robotic library ? Physical one BTW :) Simon -Original Message- From: Honeybrook, Kate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:40 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Simon We currently had a Symantec do an upgrade at our site from version 5.1 to 6.5.1. We had a master media server combined on a physical box. After the upgrade we now a have a virtual master server and physical media. From what we are told they are now supported the master to be virtual but not the media server. We haven't had any problems since the master went virtual. Regards, Kate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2008 4:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu DISCLAIMER:--- This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached to it are private and confidentia
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Hi Simon We currently had a Symantec do an upgrade at our site from version 5.1 to 6.5.1. We had a master media server combined on a physical box. After the upgrade we now a have a virtual master server and physical media. From what we are told they are now supported the master to be virtual but not the media server. We haven't had any problems since the master went virtual. Regards, Kate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2008 4:24 PM To: Curtis Preston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu DISCLAIMER:--- This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary or copyright material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. They are for the use of the intended recipient only. Any unauthorised viewing, use, disclosure, copying, alteration, storage or distribution of, or reliance on, this message is strictly prohibited. No part may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the writ
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Hi Curtis Well guess what.. there is a client that is looking at VM'ing Master and Media Servers and want to use a tape drive or robot! I am under the impression its not supported or works. Your comments seem to reflect this may not be the case. Can you clarify? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
When you say they don't support, you must mean that they won't give you support on it. All you have to do is create virtual scsi devices for each tape drive/robot device, then you see the robot and drives in the guest OS. Admittedly, I haven't done it for production, but I haven't found it to be too difficult or unreliable. BUT, I'm trying to figure out why anyone would do that in production. Performance SUCKS! Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com Infrastructure :: Optimized -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:10 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
VCB is fine :-) There are tons of papers on this. I believe the problem is adding a Media / Master server as a VMware client and allowing it to access physical tape library / drives. If you want to add a Media Server with a DSU, then that would be ok - but my understanding is no "physical" communication with the library is supported with VMWare. I am being advised differently, so I will be correcting this. Thanks Simon From: Hudson, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:18 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Ed Wilts Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers We are also planning a Windows 6.5.1 Master to backup VMware using the VCB function.. Am I hearing correctly that this is Not supported by Symantec ?? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:55 AM To: Ed Wilts Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Ed Yes, thats the feeling I got, but I am being strongly advised by a 3rd party that symantec does support it. However, I am starting to have doubts about this. And I have tested a DSU media server, and that is fine, but certainly cannot see it working in my VM environment here. Simon From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:41 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external) Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am being told that 6.5.1 includes VMWare support for Master / Media, but I have not found any proof of this, so I may raise a call with Symantec to get full confirmation. This is not supported. The issue is not Symantec - it's VMware. A VMware guest can not have access to tape drives, so you're sunk right off the bat. It you want to test a Master/media server in a VMware guest, and use *ONLY* disk-based storage units, I suspect that it will work. No tape drive access though. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I've helped you, please make a donation to my favorite charity at http://firstgiving.com/edwilts This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England The information contained in this email message and its attachments is intended only for the private and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, unless the sender expressly agrees otherwise. Transmission of email over the Internet is not a secure communications medium. If you are requesting or have requested the transmittal of personal data, as defined in applicable privacy laws by means of email or in an attachment to email you must select a more secure alternate means of transmittal that supports your obligations to protect such personal data. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient and/or you have received this email in error, you must take no action based on the information in this email and you are hereby notified that any dissemination, misuse, copying, or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by email and delete the original message. This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England___
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
VCB backup is definitely supported in NBU 6.5.1, What is not supported is running a NBU Master or Media Server within a VMware Virtual Machine. Here's a White Paper on Best Practices for backing up VMware with NBU http://eval.symantec.com/mktginfo/enterprise/white_papers/ent-whitepaper _veritas_netBackup_6.5_vmware_nov2007.pdf David K. Carpe Principal Systems Engineer Symantec Corporation Office: 646.487.6012 Mobile: 908.963.6818 Home Office: 973.940-1805 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hudson, Steve Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:18 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); Ed Wilts Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers We are also planning a Windows 6.5.1 Master to backup VMware using the VCB function.. Am I hearing correctly that this is Not supported by Symantec ?? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:55 AM To: Ed Wilts Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Ed Yes, thats the feeling I got, but I am being strongly advised by a 3rd party that symantec does support it. However, I am starting to have doubts about this. And I have tested a DSU media server, and that is fine, but certainly cannot see it working in my VM environment here. Simon From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:41 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external) Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am being told that 6.5.1 includes VMWare support for Master / Media, but I have not found any proof of this, so I may raise a call with Symantec to get full confirmation. This is not supported. The issue is not Symantec - it's VMware. A VMware guest can not have access to tape drives, so you're sunk right off the bat. It you want to test a Master/media server in a VMware guest, and use *ONLY* disk-based storage units, I suspect that it will work. No tape drive access though. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I've helped you, please make a donation to my favorite charity at http://firstgiving.com/edwilts This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England The information contained in this email message and its attachments is intended only for the private and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, unless the sender expressly agrees otherwise. Transmission of email over the Internet is not a secure communications medium. If you are requesting or have requested the transmittal of personal data, as defined in applicable privacy laws by means of email or in an attachment to email you must select a more secure alternate means of transmittal that supports your obligations to protect such personal data. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient and/or you have received this email in error, you must take no action based on the information in this email and you are hereby notified that any dissemination, misuse, copying, or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by email and delete the original message. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Hudson, Steve < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are also planning a Windows 6.5.1 Master to backup VMware using the > VCB function.. Am I hearing correctly that this is Not supported by Symantec > ?? > Not, you're not hearing correctly. You can back up VMware fine - you can't install a NetBackup media server in a VMware guest. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I've helped you, please make a donation to my favorite charity at http://firstgiving.com/edwilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
We are also planning a Windows 6.5.1 Master to backup VMware using the VCB function.. Am I hearing correctly that this is Not supported by Symantec ?? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:55 AM To: Ed Wilts Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers Hi Ed Yes, thats the feeling I got, but I am being strongly advised by a 3rd party that symantec does support it. However, I am starting to have doubts about this. And I have tested a DSU media server, and that is fine, but certainly cannot see it working in my VM environment here. Simon From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:41 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external) Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am being told that 6.5.1 includes VMWare support for Master / Media, but I have not found any proof of this, so I may raise a call with Symantec to get full confirmation. This is not supported. The issue is not Symantec - it's VMware. A VMware guest can not have access to tape drives, so you're sunk right off the bat. It you want to test a Master/media server in a VMware guest, and use *ONLY* disk-based storage units, I suspect that it will work. No tape drive access though. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I've helped you, please make a donation to my favorite charity at http://firstgiving.com/edwilts This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England The information contained in this email message and its attachments is intended only for the private and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, unless the sender expressly agrees otherwise. Transmission of email over the Internet is not a secure communications medium. If you are requesting or have requested the transmittal of personal data, as defined in applicable privacy laws by means of email or in an attachment to email you must select a more secure alternate means of transmittal that supports your obligations to protect such personal data. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient and/or you have received this email in error, you must take no action based on the information in this email and you are hereby notified that any dissemination, misuse, copying, or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by email and delete the original message.___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
I did, and could not see it, and as 6.5.2 is on the horizon, wondered if the "goal" posts had changed. Simon From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:05 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external) Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:55 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, thats the feeling I got, but I am being strongly advised by a 3rd party that symantec does support it. The 3rd party is wrong. Symantec publishes its compatibility lists. It's a worthwhile read. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I've helped you, please make a donation to my favorite charity at http://firstgiving.com/edwilts This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:55 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, thats the feeling I got, but I am being strongly advised by a 3rd > party that symantec does support it. > The 3rd party is wrong. Symantec publishes its compatibility lists. It's a worthwhile read. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I've helped you, please make a donation to my favorite charity at http://firstgiving.com/edwilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Hi Ed Yes, thats the feeling I got, but I am being strongly advised by a 3rd party that symantec does support it. However, I am starting to have doubts about this. And I have tested a DSU media server, and that is fine, but certainly cannot see it working in my VM environment here. Simon From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:41 PM To: WEAVER, Simon (external) Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am being told that 6.5.1 includes VMWare support for Master / Media, but I have not found any proof of this, so I may raise a call with Symantec to get full confirmation. This is not supported. The issue is not Symantec - it's VMware. A VMware guest can not have access to tape drives, so you're sunk right off the bat. It you want to test a Master/media server in a VMware guest, and use *ONLY* disk-based storage units, I suspect that it will work. No tape drive access though. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I've helped you, please make a donation to my favorite charity at http://firstgiving.com/edwilts This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:07 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am being told that 6.5.1 includes VMWare support for Master / Media, > but I have not found any proof of this, so I may raise a call with > Symantec to get full confirmation. This is not supported. The issue is not Symantec - it's VMware. A VMware guest can not have access to tape drives, so you're sunk right off the bat. It you want to test a Master/media server in a VMware guest, and use *ONLY* disk-based storage units, I suspect that it will work. No tape drive access though. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I've helped you, please make a donation to my favorite charity at http://firstgiving.com/edwilts ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Thank you once again Jonathan. I am being told that 6.5.1 includes VMWare support for Master / Media, but I have not found any proof of this, so I may raise a call with Symantec to get full confirmation. not sure I like the idea of a Master server being a VM box myself. Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:37 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers The Netbackup 6 OS Compatibility Matrix lists VMWare explicitly and the only servers they support are NOM and VBR. They also list support for VMWare Guest Clients running the appropriate OS agent but no other servers are listed. I looked into this when we purchased VMWare and the only solution I could come up with for Vming your Master servers (and it would still be unsupported) was to use NAS Storage, iSCSI or VTLs that "look" like disk. VMWare confirmed no support for any tape devices or local SCSI devices except DISK. I did look a bit into RedHat support for a virtual master server configuration using their flavor of Xen and it looked plausible, but I never had the time to fully follow-up with an SE or read the whitepapers. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:43 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > > tape library? > A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that > VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has > no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see > such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. > Do you happen to have any Technotes about this? or any forum links ? Only what we were told by the HP and VMware support folks when we were trying to come up with a backup solution for a proposed virtual 1tb file server. We could not come up with any workable solution because of the lack of SAN-attached tape drive support and the inability of the VMware consolidated backup proxy to do multi-stream backups. Neither of these bits of information were easy to get out of them. - Bluejay Adametz "People generally react to any new situation in one of four ways: AhA!... Ho-hum... Oy Vey!... and Yum, Yum. These illustrate the four basic states of consciousness." - David Brin, in "Earth" ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
The Netbackup 6 OS Compatibility Matrix lists VMWare explicitly and the only servers they support are NOM and VBR. They also list support for VMWare Guest Clients running the appropriate OS agent but no other servers are listed. I looked into this when we purchased VMWare and the only solution I could come up with for Vming your Master servers (and it would still be unsupported) was to use NAS Storage, iSCSI or VTLs that "look" like disk. VMWare confirmed no support for any tape devices or local SCSI devices except DISK. I did look a bit into RedHat support for a virtual master server configuration using their flavor of Xen and it looked plausible, but I never had the time to fully follow-up with an SE or read the whitepapers. -Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:43 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > > tape library? > A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that > VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has > no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see > such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. > Do you happen to have any Technotes about this? or any forum links ? Only what we were told by the HP and VMware support folks when we were trying to come up with a backup solution for a proposed virtual 1tb file server. We could not come up with any workable solution because of the lack of SAN-attached tape drive support and the inability of the VMware consolidated backup proxy to do multi-stream backups. Neither of these bits of information were easy to get out of them. - Bluejay Adametz "People generally react to any new situation in one of four ways: AhA!... Ho-hum... Oy Vey!... and Yum, Yum. These illustrate the four basic states of consciousness." - David Brin, in "Earth" ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
> > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > > tape library? > A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that > VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has > no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see > such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. > Do you happen to have any Technotes about this? or any forum links ? Only what we were told by the HP and VMware support folks when we were trying to come up with a backup solution for a proposed virtual 1tb file server. We could not come up with any workable solution because of the lack of SAN-attached tape drive support and the inability of the VMware consolidated backup proxy to do multi-stream backups. Neither of these bits of information were easy to get out of them. - Bluejay Adametz "People generally react to any new situation in one of four ways: AhA!... Ho-hum... Oy Vey!... and Yum, Yum. These illustrate the four basic states of consciousness." - David Brin, in "Earth" ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
0n Tue, May 13, 2008 at 07:10:17AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a >> Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a >> tape library? > >A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that >VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no >plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such >tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. It would be interesting if you could use OpenSolaris with Xen and NPIV to server out a NB master ... -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
Many thanks for this. At the moment I have only gone on "hear say". Do you happen to have any Technotes about this? or any forum links ? Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:10 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers > Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] VM Master / Media Servers
> Is Symantec actually going to be supporting a Virtual Machine as a > Master or Media Server (San Media too), which can use SSO to share a > tape library? A recent exercise with VMware a few months ago brought to light that VMware does NOT support guest access to SAN-based tape drives, and has no plans to do so. Some fiddling around managed to get a guest to see such tape drives, but they did not work reliably at all. - Bluejay Adametz "I took off my watch and found I had all the time in the world." - The Association ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
