Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning

[Wayne Blake-Hedges]

Hi DonO;
 
How do you flame finish Oak?  Kinda like flaming bamboo?
 
wayneb

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From: Don Ordes 
Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 5:39 PM





I like oak when it is flame finished to bring out the grain.  Not for 
everything, but it is a neat effect- kinda like zebrawood.
 
DonO

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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning






Hi All;
 
Thanks for the info, a little background, tried drying the wood first by 
putting in microwave for 1 minute increments.  It did remove a lot of water, 
water was weeping out of wood and completely saturated inside walls of micrwave 
with moisture.  Stunk up the whole house something awfull though.  Next I tried 
my wife's convection oven(she wasn't home at the time) with the lowest 
temperature setting being 170 degrees F on convection setting.  It worked a 
little better than microwave and not as odiferous.  Now I have my cut sections 
sitting on top of wood stove/insert  and they're drying slowly.  Top of stove 
gets from 100-200 degrees F.
 
I do have a drying oven at work I could set up, question is how long do you 
have to dry wood for use and a what temperaures?  How can you tell when wood is 
dry?
 
Tony:  It's red Oak, not sure if it turns black when wet. I can tell you if I 
rub my wetted fingers on outside edge of my cut blanks, the grain really shows 
though.
 
wayne

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From: Anthony Spezio 
Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 11:37 AM






Cut up in 1" lengths and put them in the intake of your heating system but if 
you are splitting wood, you might just be heating with a wood stove and have no 
intake. On the oak if it is not White Oak, it will turn black when wet. How do 
I know, well.
Tony

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From: Wayne Blake-Hedges 
Subject: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning
To: "virtual flybox" 
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 8:35 AM







Hi All;
 
I was splitting wood last weekend and ran across a really neat looking piece of 
burled Oak. I got to thinking it would make a grreat reel seat.
 
Anyone know how to quickly dry  wood for turning??
 
microwave???
 
Thanks in advance
 
Wayneb

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[VFB] need Rick Zieger's postal address

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Need Rick's mailing address. have his e-mail address.
Need to send him something.

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Re: [VFB] need Rick Zieger's address

[Chuck Alexander]

I have it as rdzieg...@yahoo.com Chuck


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[VFB] need Rick Zieger's address

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[VFB] New email addy

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Re: [VFB] Catskill flies

[Larry Johnson]

Rene:  I am the one who asked about what patterns would be included in the 
style of "Catskill flies" for Peggy's swap..  I didn't know, so I assumed that 
something like the very traditional pattern of a Light Cahill would be 
acceptable.  I have tied this before (with some slight variations) and could do 
it without buying more materials.  As it turns out, the Light Cahill is the 
first one listed on the website you found.  Pure luck.  Thanks for the 
information, and I will take it as an affirmation of my random choice.

Larry Johnson
Springville, Utah  

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Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning

[Don Ordes]

I like oak when it is flame finished to bring out the grain.  Not for 
everything, but it is a neat effect- kinda like zebrawood.

DonO
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  From: Wayne Blake-Hedges 
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  Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 10:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning


Hi All;

Thanks for the info, a little background, tried drying the wood first 
by putting in microwave for 1 minute increments.  It did remove a lot of water, 
water was weeping out of wood and completely saturated inside walls of micrwave 
with moisture.  Stunk up the whole house something awfull though.  Next I tried 
my wife's convection oven(she wasn't home at the time) with the lowest 
temperature setting being 170 degrees F on convection setting.  It worked a 
little better than microwave and not as odiferous.  Now I have my cut sections 
sitting on top of wood stove/insert  and they're drying slowly.  Top of stove 
gets from 100-200 degrees F.

I do have a drying oven at work I could set up, question is how long do 
you have to dry wood for use and a what temperaures?  How can you tell when 
wood is dry?

Tony:  It's red Oak, not sure if it turns black when wet. I can tell 
you if I rub my wetted fingers on outside edge of my cut blanks, the grain 
really shows though.

wayne

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  From: Anthony Spezio 
  Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
  Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 11:37 AM


Cut up in 1" lengths and put them in the intake of your heating 
system but if you are splitting wood, you might just be heating with a wood 
stove and have no intake. On the oak if it is not White Oak, it will turn black 
when wet. How do I know, well.
Tony

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  From: Wayne Blake-Hedges 
  Subject: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning
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  Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 8:35 AM


Hi All;

I was splitting wood last weekend and ran across a 
really neat looking piece of burled Oak. I got to thinking it would make a 
grreat reel seat.

Anyone know how to quickly dry  wood for turning??

microwave???

Thanks in advance

Wayneb 


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Re: [VFB] Catskill flies

[Don Ordes]

Good site, Rene,

What I noticed right off is fly proportions.  The hooks are short shank and the 
hackles are easily twice as long as the hook gap, which is greater that the 
suggested 1.5x the gap.

I realize that hackles back then were neck hackles almost exclusively, and the 
feather shanks were thick and the barbs were longer and less dense than today's 
genetics, which they started.  The hackles portion, therefore is much longer 
and more dense that needs to be if tied with saddle hackles.  Those samples are 
about 50/50 body to hackle, and my flies are usually 60/40 or less on the 
hackle, with the hackles 1.5 times the hook gap.

Many of those flies have segmentation created by using quills and other hard 
materials.

So my question to Peggy is 'Do you want to make it a traditional swap, 
mimicking those examples, or can we modify those materials and proportions?

DonO
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  From: Rene Zillmann 
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  Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:14 PM
  Subject: [VFB] Catskill flies


  Hi List,

  for Peggy's swap, someone asked about what catskill flies are. I found this 
page on faol:

  http://flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/part359.php

  Some very interesting things: 

a.. The flies are tied by Elsie Darbee, look at the proportions! The 
hackles are oversized.

b.. Look at the American March Brown: Rope dubbed? At least clear 
segmentation in an dubbed body! 
c.. Flies have no wings 
  Rene


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Re: [VFB] Catskill flies

[Don Ordes]

Peggy,

1. Can a Catshill fly be tied with Wingers for the wings?  I've seen some 
patterns on the web where they used feather tips that were more fan-shaped, and 
the Wingers look better.

2.  Is it OK to rope-dub the body with soft segments, rather than the smooth 
dubbed bodies I see in the pictures. 

3.  I want to use speckled Cd'L for the tails and speckled champagne badger 
hackles, so nothing on the fly will be truly original, but it will be tied like 
the original.

 They could be 'Neuvo Catskill' dry flies, traditional but new.  

DonO


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  Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:49 PM
  Subject: RE: [VFB] Catskill flies


  According to some, Catskill dry flies are either "tied in the style of, or 
specifically for the Catskill River." The Darbees, Dettes etc allegedly tied in 
the style of Rube Cross. I wasn't there so I'll go w/ whatever you all decide. 
I've seen Catskill dries tied w/ & w/out a wing, & w/ various lengths of 
hackle, but I'm a relative newbie to tying.

   

  J

   

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  Subject: [VFB] Catskill flies

   

  Hi List,

  for Peggy's swap, someone asked about what catskill flies are. I found this 
page on faol:

  http://flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/part359.php

  Some very interesting things: 

a.. The flies are tied by Elsie Darbee, look at the proportions! The 
hackles are oversized.
b.. Look at the American March Brown: Rope dubbed? At least clear 
segmentation in an dubbed body!
c.. Flies have no wings
  Rene

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RE: [VFB] Catskill flies

[J Balmer]

According to some, Catskill dry flies are either "tied in the style of, or
specifically for the Catskill River." The Darbees, Dettes etc allegedly tied
in the style of Rube Cross. I wasn't there so I'll go w/ whatever you all
decide. I've seen Catskill dries tied w/ & w/out a wing, & w/ various
lengths of hackle, but I'm a relative newbie to tying.

 

J

 

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Subject: [VFB] Catskill flies

 

Hi List,

for Peggy's swap, someone asked about what catskill flies are. I found this
page on faol:

http://flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/part359.php

Some very interesting things: 

*   The flies are tied by Elsie Darbee, look at the proportions! The
hackles are oversized.
*   Look at the American March Brown: Rope dubbed? At least clear
segmentation in an dubbed body!
*   Flies have no wings

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Re: [VFB] Catskill flies

[Allan Fish]

Some very interesting things:



Flies have no wings


Some don't, most of them do.  Mainly wood duck upright and divided.


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[VFB] Catskill flies

[Rene Zillmann]

Hi List,

for Peggy's swap, someone asked about what catskill flies are. I found
this page on faol:

http://flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/part359.php

Some very interesting things:

* The flies are tied by Elsie Darbee, look at the proportions! The
  hackles are oversized.
* Look at the American March Brown: Rope dubbed? At least clear
  segmentation in an dubbed body!
* Flies have no wings

Rene

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Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning

[Anthony Spezio]

Wayne,
In Jersey I burned a lot of Red Oak. If it got wet Black streaks would show up. 
It might be different with Burl but I don't think so. Take a scrap and wet it 
and just lay it out. See if it will turn up with Black streaks. Bring out some 
with you, we can turn a seat from it and see what happens after it is sealed 
with Super Glue. .
I made some gunnels from Red Oak for one of my canoes . Where the varnish 
chipped, it got Black streaks. Maybe sealing the seat with super glue will keep 
it from doing that.
Tony

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From: Wayne Blake-Hedges 
Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning
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Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 11:33 AM

Hi All;
 
Thanks for the info, a little background, tried drying the wood first by 
putting in microwave for 1 minute increments.  It did remove a lot of water, 
water was weeping out of wood and completely saturated inside walls of micrwave 
with moisture.  Stunk up the whole house something awfull though.  Next I tried 
my wife's convection oven(she wasn't home at the time) with the lowest 
temperature setting being 170 degrees F on convection setting.  It worked a 
little better than microwave and not as odiferous.  Now I have my cut sections 
sitting on top of wood stove/insert  and they're drying slowly.  Top of stove 
gets from 100-200 degrees F.
 
I do have a drying oven at work I could set up, question is how long do you 
have to dry wood for use and a what temperaures?  How can you tell when wood is 
dry?
 
Tony:  It's red Oak, not sure if it turns black when wet. I can tell you if I 
rub my wetted fingers on outside edge of my cut blanks, the grain really shows 
though.
 
wayne

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From: Anthony Spezio 
Subject: Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 11:37 AM






Cut up in 1" lengths and put them in the intake of your heating system but if 
you are splitting wood, you might just be heating with a wood stove and have no 
intake. On the oak if it is not White Oak, it will turn black when wet. How do 
I know, well.
Tony

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From: Wayne Blake-Hedges 
Subject: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning
To: "virtual flybox" 
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 8:35 AM







Hi All;
 
I was splitting wood last weekend and ran across a really neat looking piece of 
burled Oak. I got to thinking it would make a grreat reel seat.
 
Anyone know how to quickly dry  wood for turning??
 
microwave???
 
Thanks in advance
 
Wayneb

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Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning

[Wayne Blake-Hedges]

Hi All;
 
Thanks for the info, a little background, tried drying the wood first by 
putting in microwave for 1 minute increments.  It did remove a lot of water, 
water was weeping out of wood and completely saturated inside walls of micrwave 
with moisture.  Stunk up the whole house something awfull though.  Next I tried 
my wife's convection oven(she wasn't home at the time) with the lowest 
temperature setting being 170 degrees F on convection setting.  It worked a 
little better than microwave and not as odiferous.  Now I have my cut sections 
sitting on top of wood stove/insert  and they're drying slowly.  Top of stove 
gets from 100-200 degrees F.
 
I do have a drying oven at work I could set up, question is how long do you 
have to dry wood for use and a what temperaures?  How can you tell when wood is 
dry?
 
Tony:  It's red Oak, not sure if it turns black when wet. I can tell you if I 
rub my wetted fingers on outside edge of my cut blanks, the grain really shows 
though.
 
wayne

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Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 11:37 AM






Cut up in 1" lengths and put them in the intake of your heating system but if 
you are splitting wood, you might just be heating with a wood stove and have no 
intake. On the oak if it is not White Oak, it will turn black when wet. How do 
I know, well.
Tony

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From: Wayne Blake-Hedges 
Subject: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning
To: "virtual flybox" 
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Hi All;
 
I was splitting wood last weekend and ran across a really neat looking piece of 
burled Oak. I got to thinking it would make a grreat reel seat.
 
Anyone know how to quickly dry  wood for turning??
 
microwave???
 
Thanks in advance
 
Wayneb

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Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning

[Anthony Spezio]

Cut up in 1" lengths and put them in the intake of your heating system but if 
you are splitting wood, you might just be heating with a wood stove and have no 
intake. On the oak if it is not White Oak, it will turn black when wet. How do 
I know, well.
Tony

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From: Wayne Blake-Hedges 
Subject: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning
To: "virtual flybox" 
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 8:35 AM

Hi All;
 
I was splitting wood last weekend and ran across a really neat looking piece of 
burled Oak. I got to thinking it would make a grreat reel seat.
 
Anyone know how to quickly dry  wood for turning??
 
microwave???
 
Thanks in advance
 
Wayneb


  



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Re: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning

[Henk Verhaar]

Cut and rough-turn it wet, then air-dry or put it in a vacuum with silica gel 
for quicker drying. Reducing the dimensions of the wet wood will significantly 
shorten the drying time and decrease the hazard of crack formation.

Drying WILL warp the wood, so be sure to rough turn to dimensions that will 
allow final turning to the required dimensions even with significant warp.

On 17 feb 2011, at 15:40, J Balmer wrote:

> Kiln. Microwave just excites any liquid in the wood, causing it to heat & 
> expand, no drying involved. Depending on the moisture content, you might get 
> a nice explosion though…
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RE: [VFB] RE: drying wood for turning

[J Balmer]

Kiln. Microwave just excites any liquid in the wood, causing it to heat &
expand, no drying involved. Depending on the moisture content, you might get
a nice explosion though.

 

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Hi All;

 

I was splitting wood last weekend and ran across a really neat looking piece
of burled Oak. I got to thinking it would make a grreat reel seat.

 

Anyone know how to quickly dry  wood for turning??

 

microwave???

 

Thanks in advance

 

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RE: [VFB] Fw: Nice birds

[J Balmer]

Poor dog.

 

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What a waste of hackle.
Tony

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- Forwarded by Gary L Webb/IS/LAX/GUNDLUTH on 02/17/2011 07:43 AM -
   
   
   
   



Remember you're a fly tyer.  Maintain your focus. Look at the feathers.

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[VFB] RE: drying wood for turning

[Wayne Blake-Hedges]

Hi All;
 
I was splitting wood last weekend and ran across a really neat looking piece of 
burled Oak. I got to thinking it would make a grreat reel seat.
 
Anyone know how to quickly dry  wood for turning??
 
microwave???
 
Thanks in advance
 
Wayneb


  

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Re: [VFB] Fw: Nice birds

[Niclas (Gmail)]

Chicks trying to look chique. But, like Tony said, just a waste of time and
tying material.

/Nick

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>   What a waste of hackle.
> Tony
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>
> - Forwarded by Gary L Webb/IS/LAX/GUNDLUTH on 02/17/2011 07:43 AM -
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Re: [VFB] Fw: Nice birds

[Anthony Spezio]

What a waste of hackle.
Tony

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- Forwarded by Gary L Webb/IS/LAX/GUNDLUTH on 02/17/2011 07:43 AM -
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           



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RE: [VFB] Catskill Swap 2011

[J Balmer]

Ok, I'll do another swap.

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Subject: [VFB] Catskill Swap 2011

Room for one for tier ready to take on the Catskill Style!

1 Peggy Brenner
2 Don Ordes
3 Rene Zillmann
4 Larry Johnson
5 Tom Davenport
6 Scott Bearden
7 Dail Graham
8 Bob Laubengayer
9 Joyce Westphall
10 Alan Fish
12

Deadline June 1, 2011!
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[VFB] Fw: Nice birds

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[VFB] Catskill Swap 2011

[Peggy Brenner]

Room for one for tier ready to take on the Catskill Style!

1 Peggy Brenner
2 Don Ordes
3 Rene Zillmann
4 Larry Johnson
5 Tom Davenport
6 Scott Bearden
7 Dail Graham
8 Bob Laubengayer
9 Joyce Westphall
10 Alan Fish
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[VFB] Streamer Swap 2011 is Closed! Do we need another group?

[Peggy Brenner]

This is the final list for Streamers and I have a reserve, it went so 
fast that I have 2 other guys interested, Do we have 8 more and I'll 
meister 2 groups. Deadline is April 15 for the 2nd as well




1Don Ordes
2Gary Smith
3Rene Zillman
4Pacres
5Scott Bearden
6 Dail Graham
7Dave Masson
8 Peggy Brenner
9Robert Laubengayer
10Soren Finne

Deadline is not till April 15, forget your taxes, tie streamers.
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[VFB] quote 021611

[Michael Bliss]

"As civilization, cement pavements, office buildings and radio
have overwhelmed us, the need for regeneration has increased.
Fishing is a sound, vital reason to go away from here to somewhere else."
Herbert Hoover

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