RE: [VFB] Antron Question???
Whatever it is the wings look great. Poly, as in polypropylene would be preferable for a floating fly. Antron is great for emergers and wet flies because is a tri-lobal fiber that makes the fly brighter. And if you tease it, it will trap air bubbles. But Antron doesn't float. Poly does. Gary L Webb From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Niclas Runarsson Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:52 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [VFB] Antron Question??? I'd say Poly yarn too. That's what all my Poly yarn looks like... while all my Antron yarn has a more thin, straight and less messy look. /Nick -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] För ashley strutt Skickat: den 10 mars 2012 07:24 Till: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Ämne: Re: [VFB] Antron Question??? Hi Chuck, I would be tempted to say that the material was poly yarn. It looks very similar to a poly yarn that I have. Ashley On 10 March 2012 05:01, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@centurylink.netmailto:chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote: Folks: I have a question?? I have been using this material I have several cards of on a fly (pic attached) I have been experimenting with, and I thought the material is antron, but now I'm not so sure. I bought it on sale several years ago for about 3 cards for a dollar, and as you can see, it's not marked, and I have forgotten exactly what it's called. Is it actually antron?? Or something totally different?? It makes great dragonfly wings etc as you can see. Thanks a lot, Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.commailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.commailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.commailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Sowbug Roundup show
Ther Sowbug Roundup will be held in Mtn. Home Arkansas on March 22, 23, 24. This is a flytying show with 127 tyers tying over the three days. Several list members will be tying at the show. Arkansas Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Re: Damsel and Dragon Swap 2012
Thanks Joe On 3/9/12, Joseph Fusco, Sr. jfusc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Eric Worm flytyer...@yahoo.com wrote: I will be doing a parachute damsel of some form... *Eric Worm* *Reed City, MI 49677* * * *And when it all goes well, when your dog does the difficult and does it with style, what you get isn't a bagged bird but the honor of sharing a moment of penultimate drama starring the dog you love and the bird you love. That is a taste of heaven, friends, and it's why the dog man hunts. And frankly, most of us kick through one hell of a lot of weeds between glimpses of Heaven. -Steve Grooms* -- *From:* Robert Morger rmor...@gmail.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com vfb-mail@googlegroups.com; flyfishingandflytyingforpanf...@yahoogroups.com; rlau...@rcsis.com *Sent:* Wed, March 7, 2012 10:45:47 AM *Subject:* [VFB] Re: Damsel and Dragon Swap 2012 On 3/6/12, Robert Morger rmor...@gmail.com wrote: If you know what you are tying please send me your pattern so I can post them. Robert M (Panfish Group) Extended Marabou Damsel, Damsel Pop Adult Jason T (Panfish Group)'Flicted Damsel Nymph Kevin (Panfish Group) Damsel nymph Chuck A (Panfish Group) Jerry Mc (VFB Group)Green Marabou Damsel Nymph Ashley S (VFB Group) Damsel Nymph Walter S (VFB Group) Ten-spotted Dragonfly Nymph Rene Z (VFB Group)Taff Price' version of a damsel nymph Bob H (VFB Group) River Road Foam Blue Damselfly Jerry C (VFB Group) Foam damsel adult Joe F (VFB Group) Bob L (VFB Group) April 15 due date for 12 flies -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - After they have exhausted all other possibilities. --Winston Churchill Robert Morger Central Texas -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - After they have exhausted all other possibilities. --Winston Churchill Robert Morger Central Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com *Robert -* * * *I will be tying a Carrie Special. It is a traditional representation of a Dragonfly Nymph.* * -- Joe Fusco, Sr. Member of The Missouri Trout Fishermen’s Association, The International Brotherhood of the Flymph and The Virtual Fly Box REMEMBER CANCER IS A WORD NOT A SENTENCE Reply to: jfusc...@gmail.com* * * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - After they have exhausted all other possibilities. --Winston Churchill Robert Morger Central Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Bamboo Repairs?
Had a customer come into the shop this weekend and asked me about getting an old bamboo rod repaired. It sounds like the glue gave out in a section. Does anyone do that type repair or know of someone I can put this guy in contact with? -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - After they have exhausted all other possibilities. --Winston Churchill Robert Morger Central Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Bamboo Repairs?
I'd suggest Tony Spezio..bamboo rod builder paradigm. Joyce On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Robert Morger rmor...@gmail.com wrote: Had a customer come into the shop this weekend and asked me about getting an old bamboo rod repaired. It sounds like the glue gave out in a section. Does anyone do that type repair or know of someone I can put this guy in contact with? -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - After they have exhausted all other possibilities. --Winston Churchill Robert Morger Central Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB]
'Mornin Folks, Can someone please tell me what I should use to thin Veniard's Cellire Varnish? Mine is starting to thicken-up a bit to the point where I don't believe that it can soak through a thread head. I know that Veniard's markets a proprietary thinner, but I'd like to avoid laying out another $5 or $6 to buy it. Thanks. mailto:%2f%2...@majbob.comBobmailto:%2f%2...@majbob.com Hendry Southern Maryland Lots of people committed crimes during the year who would not have done so if they had been fishing. The increase of crime is among those deprived of the regeneration that impregnates the mind and character of the fisherman. - Herbert Hoover -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB]
Hi Bob, I think veniards do a thinner for their varnish. Other than that I'm not sure. Ashley On 12 Mar 2012 14:10, Bob Hendry robinhoo...@gmail.com wrote: 'Mornin Folks, Can someone please tell me what I should use to thin Veniard's Cellire Varnish? Mine is starting to thicken-up a bit to the point where I don't believe that it can soak through a thread head. I know that Veniard's markets a proprietary thinner, but I'd like to avoid laying out another $5 or $6 to buy it. Thanks. ** ** *Bob %2f%2...@majbob.com Hendry %2f%2...@majbob.com*Southern Maryland * *Lots of people committed crimes during the year who would not have done so if they had been fishing. The increase of crime is among those deprived of the regeneration that impregnates the mind and character of the fisherman. - Herbert Hoover -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB]
... Unitit from Peter Veniard Thomas R. Eckert From: Bob Hendry Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:10 PM To: Virtual Flybox Subject: [VFB] 'Mornin Folks, Can someone please tell me what I should use to thin Veniard's Cellire Varnish? Mine is starting to thicken-up a bit to the point where I don't believe that it can soak through a thread head. I know that Veniard's markets a proprietary thinner, but I'd like to avoid laying out another $5 or $6 to buy it. Thanks. Bob Hendry Southern Maryland Lots of people committed crimes during the year who would not have done so if they had been fishing. The increase of crime is among those deprived of the regeneration that impregnates the mind and character of the fisherman. - Herbert Hoover -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB]
I use lacquer thinners. Works for me. Neville (Nev) Gosling On 2012-03-12, at 7:10 AM, Bob Hendry wrote: 'Mornin Folks, Can someone please tell me what I should use to thin Veniard's Cellire Varnish? Mine is starting to thicken-up a bit to the point where I don't believe that it can soak through a thread head. I know that Veniard's markets a proprietary thinner, but I'd like to avoid laying out another $5 or $6 to buy it. Thanks. Bob Hendry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB]
My advice is don't try to thin it, get a fresh batch. I know people try to save things and not let things go to waste, but in this case you are running up against something that has run its chemical course. I use varnish mostly for bamboo rod making, but once it starts to set I get a fresh batch. What is happening is the polymers are cross linking and forming a bond. You really can't reverse that without consequences. If you are using it to bond to the thread and hold things together, thinning it, especially after it has started to set or gel will weaken the final cured product. If you want to thin it when it is fresh, just remember that less is better. Lacquers and Varnishes pretty much use two different thinners. You can use Acetone based thinners for lacquer, but don't use that for varnish it just destroys it. For most varnishes you should look at the MSDS and see what the thinning component used is. Turpentine is my personal preference, but mineral spirits work too. Naptha is another thinner for varnishes. Use the same thinner the manufacturer used and you should be all right. It does make a difference. The Dettes only used varnish on their flies and they bought it in bulk from the hardware store. I personally prefer the Ace Hardware Spar varnish. There is a difference between spar varnish and poly varnishes. Poly will dry and cure faster for flies, but the bottle will probably go bad faster as well. You can buy a small 4 ounce can from most hardware stores for just a few dollars, and some high quality stuff at artist supply stores. Get some smaller bottles and divide it up. Fill them to the top. Oxygen is your worst enemy and the greater volume of air in the bottle and the greater surface area of the top of the varnish, the faster things are going to work against you. Regards, Scott On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.cawrote: I use lacquer thinners. Works for me. Neville (Nev) Gosling On 2012-03-12, at 7:10 AM, Bob Hendry wrote: 'Mornin Folks, Can someone please tell me what I should use to thin Veniard's Cellire Varnish? Mine is starting to thicken-up a bit to the point where I don't believe that it can soak through a thread head. I know that Veniard's markets a proprietary thinner, but I'd like to avoid laying out another $5 or $6 to buy it. Thanks. ** *Bob %2f%2...@majbob.com Hendry %2f%2...@majbob.com* ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB]
I first used Cellire in the 1950's and I have gone back to it now that it is available again. Was hard to get for many years, I used to buy mine in the UK. I now have 3 bottles of Cellire. clear, red and black. I use the coloured cellire primarily for steelhead flies. The red bottle is well over 5 years old, but I have kept it thinned with lacquer thinner without any problems at all. It just works regardless of any cross linking! Neville (Nev) Gosling On 2012-03-12, at 8:51 AM, Scott Bearden wrote: My advice is don't try to thin it, get a fresh batch. I know people try to save things and not let things go to waste, but in this case you are running up against something that has run its chemical course. I use varnish mostly for bamboo rod making, but once it starts to set I get a fresh batch. What is happening is the polymers are cross linking and forming a bond. You really can't reverse that without consequences. If you are using it to bond to the thread and hold things together, thinning it, especially after it has started to set or gel will weaken the final cured product. If you want to thin it when it is fresh, just remember that less is better. Lacquers and Varnishes pretty much use two different thinners. You can use Acetone based thinners for lacquer, but don't use that for varnish it just destroys it. For most varnishes you should look at the MSDS and see what the thinning component used is. Turpentine is my personal preference, but mineral spirits work too. Naptha is another thinner for varnishes. Use the same thinner the manufacturer used and you should be all right. It does make a difference. The Dettes only used varnish on their flies and they bought it in bulk from the hardware store. I personally prefer the Ace Hardware Spar varnish. There is a difference between spar varnish and poly varnishes. Poly will dry and cure faster for flies, but the bottle will probably go bad faster as well. You can buy a small 4 ounce can from most hardware stores for just a few dollars, and some high quality stuff at artist supply stores. Get some smaller bottles and divide it up. Fill them to the top. Oxygen is your worst enemy and the greater volume of air in the bottle and the greater surface area of the top of the varnish, the faster things are going to work against you. Regards, Scott On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca wrote: I use lacquer thinners. Works for me. Neville (Nev) Gosling On 2012-03-12, at 7:10 AM, Bob Hendry wrote: 'Mornin Folks, Can someone please tell me what I should use to thin Veniard's Cellire Varnish? Mine is starting to thicken-up a bit to the point where I don't believe that it can soak through a thread head. I know that Veniard's markets a proprietary thinner, but I'd like to avoid laying out another $5 or $6 to buy it. Thanks. Bob Hendry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB]
Neville that sounds like lacquer by the description and considering that lingo changes from one country to the next, it is quite possible that what they are calling varnish, we market as lacquer at least here in the US. Lacquer thinner is nothing more than acetone or acetate or similar liquid. It will also strip old varnish and of course that is what women use for nail polish remover. Varnish thinners wont strip strip varnish so chemicals like naptha, toluene, minerla spirits and the such are only good for thinning the product and cleaning up immediately after application. Once the curing process has begun they have no effect on actually thinning the varnish. Scott On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.cawrote: I first used Cellire in the 1950's and I have gone back to it now that it is available again. Was hard to get for many years, I used to buy mine in the UK. I now have 3 bottles of Cellire. clear, red and black. I use the coloured cellire primarily for steelhead flies. The red bottle is well over 5 years old, but I have kept it thinned with lacquer thinner without any problems at all. It just works regardless of any cross linking! Neville (Nev) Gosling On 2012-03-12, at 8:51 AM, Scott Bearden wrote: My advice is don't try to thin it, get a fresh batch. I know people try to save things and not let things go to waste, but in this case you are running up against something that has run its chemical course. I use varnish mostly for bamboo rod making, but once it starts to set I get a fresh batch. What is happening is the polymers are cross linking and forming a bond. You really can't reverse that without consequences. If you are using it to bond to the thread and hold things together, thinning it, especially after it has started to set or gel will weaken the final cured product. If you want to thin it when it is fresh, just remember that less is better. Lacquers and Varnishes pretty much use two different thinners. You can use Acetone based thinners for lacquer, but don't use that for varnish it just destroys it. For most varnishes you should look at the MSDS and see what the thinning component used is. Turpentine is my personal preference, but mineral spirits work too. Naptha is another thinner for varnishes. Use the same thinner the manufacturer used and you should be all right. It does make a difference. The Dettes only used varnish on their flies and they bought it in bulk from the hardware store. I personally prefer the Ace Hardware Spar varnish. There is a difference between spar varnish and poly varnishes. Poly will dry and cure faster for flies, but the bottle will probably go bad faster as well. You can buy a small 4 ounce can from most hardware stores for just a few dollars, and some high quality stuff at artist supply stores. Get some smaller bottles and divide it up. Fill them to the top. Oxygen is your worst enemy and the greater volume of air in the bottle and the greater surface area of the top of the varnish, the faster things are going to work against you. Regards, Scott On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.cawrote: I use lacquer thinners. Works for me. Neville (Nev) Gosling On 2012-03-12, at 7:10 AM, Bob Hendry wrote: 'Mornin Folks, Can someone please tell me what I should use to thin Veniard's Cellire Varnish? Mine is starting to thicken-up a bit to the point where I don't believe that it can soak through a thread head. I know that Veniard's markets a proprietary thinner, but I'd like to avoid laying out another $5 or $6 to buy it. Thanks. ** *Bob %2f%2...@majbob.com Hendry %2f%2...@majbob.com* ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this
Re: [VFB]
Scott: My can of lacquer thinners lists the following as contents: toulene, methyl ethyl keytone, methanol acetone Neville (Nev) Gosling On 2012-03-12, at 12:03 PM, Scott Bearden wrote: Neville that sounds like lacquer by the description and considering that lingo changes from one country to the next, it is quite possible that what they are calling varnish, we market as lacquer at least here in the US. Lacquer thinner is nothing more than acetone or acetate or similar liquid. It will also strip old varnish and of course that is what women use for nail polish remover. Varnish thinners wont strip strip varnish so chemicals like naptha, toluene, minerla spirits and the such are only good for thinning the product and cleaning up immediately after application. Once the curing process has begun they have no effect on actually thinning the varnish. Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Thunder Creek Streamers
Hi everyone flies came today these one will never see the water there going on the wall one great set of streamer thanks to everyone especially to the host thanks Walter great job with thanks to everyone dave -Original Message- From: Robert Morger Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 10:08 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Thunder Creek Streamers They really are a great set of streamers guys nice job. Walter thank you very much for hosting. On 3/3/12, Walter wshock...@ohio-kayak-fishing.com wrote: Sorry on viewing the images for this swap, I did not put them in the right folder. It is fixed now. They are located here http://www.flickr.com/photos/70352298@N00/sets/72157628927176225/with/6803789416/ Enjoy Walter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - After they have exhausted all other possibilities. --Winston Churchill Robert Morger Central Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB]
Talk about your kitchen sink of chemicals! But that does sound like lacquer based thinners, not varnish thinners. I am coming at this from someone who has used varnishes for several years to finish bamboo rods. I even tried making my own varnish from some 200 year old recipes. Keep in mind that different countries and even different states ban certain substances, or at least certain quantities of substances. If you bought a can of brand X five years ago, I can almost guarantee that it isn't the same formula as today. Now for furniture I use shellac or lacquer but not varnish. True varnish isn't needed for the indoors and takes too long to cure. It was meant for ship building and protecting wood from UV light as well as water. Shellac and lacquer both look great, buff out to a better finish than varnish, cure much faster but don't do anything to protect wood from the elements. They really are different beasts and the best way to get to know what is in your can is look at the MSDS. What's the harm in using lacquer thinner in varnish? I suppose it depends on what you are doing. Trying to cement a head on a personal fly, probably not much. Especially if you are likely to lose it to the trees or have it wear out in a couple of seasons. Using it on a presentation grade fly meant only for display could mean that in a few years the varnish could discolor and flake off. Take your thumbnail to the head on one of your older flies and see if it holds up. Is it soft and gummy or flaky, or is it hard as a rock just like the hard as nails slogan? Personally I use lacquer from the hardware store for flies and save the varnish for my rods. But most of the time I just make sure I use a good whip finish and skip the head cement altogether. If you really want to pinch pennies, A.K. Best suggests in one of his books getting a quart of lacquer from the hardware store as well. Scott On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.cawrote: Scott: My can of lacquer thinners lists the following as contents: toulene, methyl ethyl keytone, methanol acetone Neville (Nev) Gosling On 2012-03-12, at 12:03 PM, Scott Bearden wrote: Neville that sounds like lacquer by the description and considering that lingo changes from one country to the next, it is quite possible that what they are calling varnish, we market as lacquer at least here in the US. Lacquer thinner is nothing more than acetone or acetate or similar liquid. It will also strip old varnish and of course that is what women use for nail polish remover. Varnish thinners wont strip strip varnish so chemicals like naptha, toluene, minerla spirits and the such are only good for thinning the product and cleaning up immediately after application. Once the curing process has begun they have no effect on actually thinning the varnish. Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Antron Question???
MeddelandeGary: I never thought to put the fly ( or some of that material) in some water to see if it would float. BUT, I JUST put some of that material in water and it floats. Not very much, as it rides deep in the surface film, but it DOES float. The more sites I look at it at, and now you telling me that Poly floats, I'm 99% sure that that's what it is. Thanks, Chuck - Original Message - From: Webb, Gary To: 'vfb-mail@googlegroups.com' Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: RE: [VFB] Antron Question??? Whatever it is the wings look great. Poly, as in polypropylene would be preferable for a floating fly. Antron is great for emergers and wet flies because is a tri-lobal fiber that makes the fly brighter. And if you tease it, it will trap air bubbles. But Antron doesn't float. Poly does. Gary L Webb From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Niclas Runarsson Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:52 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [VFB] Antron Question??? I'd say Poly yarn too. That's what all my Poly yarn looks like... while all my Antron yarn has a more thin, straight and less messy look. /Nick -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] För ashley strutt Skickat: den 10 mars 2012 07:24 Till: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Ämne: Re: [VFB] Antron Question??? Hi Chuck, I would be tempted to say that the material was poly yarn. It looks very similar to a poly yarn that I have. Ashley On 10 March 2012 05:01, Chuck Alexander chuckalexan...@centurylink.net wrote: Folks: I have a question?? I have been using this material I have several cards of on a fly (pic attached) I have been experimenting with, and I thought the material is antron, but now I'm not so sure. I bought it on sale several years ago for about 3 cards for a dollar, and as you can see, it's not marked, and I have forgotten exactly what it's called. Is it actually antron?? Or something totally different?? It makes great dragonfly wings etc as you can see. Thanks a lot, Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4865 - Release Date: 03/11/12 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
